UPSB v3
Approved Tutorials / Impact MX Tutorial
by Kam
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:36:21
Well, sorry for the long wait, and thanks for the patience. Here is the tutorial.
Stats
Name of Pen Modification: Impact MX
Center of Gravity: centered (might be a 1 or 2 mm off depending on how you make it)
Length in Centimeters: 19.4cm
Weight: 18.2g (for comparison, the RSVP MX is about 12.6g, and the KT is about 17.5g)
Style: Single Sided (reversed ink)
Estimated cost: approx. $8.00~15.00 (more initially, less for duplicates)
Pens/Materials Needed
- 1x Pentel RSVP (1black; used: body, back cap, cap, grip)
- 2x Pentel Hybrid Gel Grip (HGG) (1 black, 1 silver/color of your choice; used: 2 tips, full black grip, 1 silver ring)
- 1x Uni-ball Gel Impact RT (IRT) (1 of any color; used: tip, grip)
- 5x #6s (or 6 narrow) brass metal washers (5 brass ones, ~0.2g each) update: use 6 washers for better balance
- 1x screw (black one preferred. weight~=1.5g, head diameter ~=7.9248mm, length is 1.5cm but not that important)
- 1x piece of rubber band (one small piece of 18mmx2mmx3mm, I use Staples brand)
If you're in US and you really want to know, these are the screw and washers I used. I got them at Home Depot
Spoiler:
Tools/Materials Needed
- (3) sticky tak (HandyTak or Poster Tack)
- (8) super glue (I used Krazy Glue, the brush type is really nice for better control)
- (4) silicon glue
- (7) hot glue
- (14) permanent marker (black)
- (15) permanent marker (silver/color of your HGG)
- (13) scissors
- (10) plier
- (11) wire cutter
- drill (or something sharp that can be used to make a hole) -sorry, forgot to include in pic-
- (12) binder clip (small size)
- (5) alcohol (or water, but alcohol dries faster)
- (2) tape
- (9) pen knife (like an X-acto knife or something to cut grips)
- (6) metal ruler
- (1) cutting matt/cardboard
Insert
Kutout
Spoiler:
Insert for Impact MX
download customizable .PSD file
View and download pre-colored PNG files (print at 150 dpi)
Overview
The Impact MX was aimed to provide more momentum for harder tricks, while keeping the look simple and close to a normal pen. I also tried to keep the costs lower by using some unconventional parts that are hopefully accessible to anyone. Along the way, I also wanted it to make it a more solid pen, allowing it to be used on daily conditions (not at the safety your home or over a table), as well as public performance (where you might want to spin over solid concrete, for example).
Warnings
This mod is aimed for the serious pen spinner. It is NOT an easy mod to make and it's not cheap the first time you make it. If you've never made a mod, sorry, this is not recommended for you. The reason for this is that some of the materials used in this mod are not sold individually. So when you buy the materials for the first time, you may spend several dollars on it. Subsequent mods, however, would cost less. The amount of work and some of the more delicate steps in this mod also make this mod more difficult to make. As far as spinning goes, I believe the pen spins pretty well for its size. However, it is pretty heavy for the untrained hand, so if you're a beginner, I would recommend a pen that is lighter but longer (you still get the extra momentum, but without the extra strain or the looks of a shorter pen). Also, the mod takes a long time to make, and the tutorial reflects that. It was never my goal to make this a wide spread or easy to make mod, so if you feel there are too many steps on this tutorial, you're probably right...IT IS LONG...feel free to leave now
Disclaimer
Pen Modding is generally considered a fairly safe activity, but there are steps that can be harmful to one's body. In particular, this tutorial contain steps that could be dangerous to your health. Try to use your best judgment to avoid getting hurt. If you under the age of 13, or just have really bad motor coordination, please ask an adult to help you. The author does not take responsibility for your actions and harm that may be caused by your lack of judgment, ability to follow instructions, or plain stupidity
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:40:59
Tutorial
Gather Parts- RSVP - disassemble the pen and get ALL parts.
- HGGs - get the metal tips and the grips
- tip: watch TEK's video on how to remove an HGG grip
- IRT - get the metal tip and the grip
- tip: to remove the grip, run a paper clip under the grip while running water through it. Another method is to break the plastic under the grip carefully.
Prepare Parts
Body- clean RSVP writing on body
- tip: use eraser and rubbing alcohol
- drill hole in the back cap
- warning: if you haven't read the Warning section above, please go back and read it. When you're done, come back and continue the tutorial.
- make a hole in the ink tube for air flow (optional for water proofing)
- expand back cap hole for air flow (optional for water proofing)
Cap- break the clip then smooth it out with a file
- cut out the ring from the black HGG grip (save it for tip area), then cut the remaining grip into two parts: 1.2cm & 1.9cm
- paint washers as follow (1 black, 2 silver/color, 2 black)
update: it has been noted that with 6 washers instead of 5, the pen is better balanced. So use 1 black, 3 silver/color, 2 black washers instead.
Tip- cut 1 ring from silver HGG grip
- cut about 2 ring sizes (0.4cm) off of the black RSVP grip
- tip: place the black and silver HGG rings on the RSVP body then cut the RSVP grip so there will be no bumps
- cut 1.8 cm of rubberband and super glue it in a ring. This is probably the hardest step of this tutorial.
- tip: use a binder clip to keep the one edge of the band accessible to the super glue, then use small pliers to glue both sides together.
Assemble Parts
Body- use a small amount of silicon glue to seal the tip of the RSVP body (optional for water proofing)
- reverse the ink tube and place it in the body. Close body with back cap.
- note: if the ink tube bends when inside the body, cut off a small piece at the end
Cap- place washers onto screw then super glue them (see Update section)
- tip: place one washer at a time, then put some super glue in the center
- glue the short HGG grip section to the head of the screw + washers piece (see Update section)
- glue the long HGG grip sections to the weight piece.
- fold the grip on one end and glue that (use clip to hold)
- fold the other end around screw tip and glue (use clip to hold)
- AFTER weight piece is completely dried, paint any washer areas that are showing original colors then place it inside the cap
- tip: push with another tool (or the back of an HGG ink tube) against the screw. Avoid using the RSVP back cap to push on the grip as it may loosen the short grip.
Tip- super glue rings in the following orders (gluing is optional)
- add black ring from HGG grip
- add silver ring from HGG grip
- add the black RSVP grip
- place entire grip piece on the RSVP body
- use sticky tak to attach first HGG metal tip, remove excess
- use sticky tak to attach 2nd HGG metal tip, remove excess
- insert rubber band ring into IRT tip
- tip: use rubbing alchohol to get the band as far as it will go. To push it, I used the back side of the IRT ink tube
- use hot glue around 2nd HGG metal tip, then place the IRT tip over it.
- place IRT grip over everything (make sure the wider side is closer to the tip)
- tip: use rubbing alchohol and hold the rings with your fingers while you slide the IRT grip over everything
Assemble Pen- place the cap on the end of the body + tip group
- place insert inside the body (see Insert section below)
Insert- print out insert (8.8 cm x 3.81 cm)
- tape the back of the insert (curve area) and the tab area
- cut out the insert
- paint the edge black
- roll the insert and stick it in the body of the RSVP
download Kutout Insert for Impact MX: customizable .PSD or pre-colored PNG files
Credits
Inspiration: Original RSVP MX by Kam, MX^2 by TEK, MSXA by Joakim(?)
Techniques: Pholord for usage of sticky tak, iamk34n3 and TEK for hot glue suggestion
Help: iamk34n3 for proofing the tutorial and catching my mistakes
Thanks
Many thanks to everyone who has helped me with feedback and testing of this mod. Also to everyone who has contributed ideas or suggestions to this mod and tutorial. And finally, thanks to everyone's support
FAQs
Q: Why do we need to use a rubberband at the tip?
A: The rubberband is cushy and helps absorb impact when the pen is dropped against hard surfaces. Without it, the massive weight of the tips could easily break the RSVP body (if you use something like super glue) or send the tip flying off (if you use something like teflon tape)
Q: Can sticky tack be substituted for teflon tape, super glue, or something more accessible?
A: Not really. I mean, you can, but it will be less than optimal. Teflon tape does not hold the tips well enough. Super glue does, but it will make the plastic of the RSVP body more fragile and easy to break. It also doesn't provide any shock absorption. Sticky Tack has been tested and so far seems to provide the best amount of hold and shock absorption.
Updates
No mod is perfect initially. Even though I spent a lot of time working on this mod before releasing it, there will still eventually be flaws that were overlooked. This section will try to address these issues.
Water Proofing
At this moment, I would say use this mod under water at your own risk. Although I initially tested this pen to be water proof, I have found the following:
If you put the cap tightly (after you have done all the water proofing steps), the pen is suitable for submerging under water.
However, there is the possibility of some water getting into the insert area. How? If you put sideways pressure on the cap, that can create a small space for water to get into the cap. Eventually, that will lead to water getting through the back cap, and to your insert. I discovered this while leaving the pen in my pocket and going to the pool for a couple hours.
If you don't put sideways pressure and just spin normally, the pen should be fine under water. Again, use caution when taking this pen under water.
Cap Grip Getting Loose
Depending on how you glue the small grip section to the screw and the quality of your glue, this piece may come off when removing the cap. If this happens, the best solution is to use some Sticky Tak on the cap to keep the screw and grip together. This also aids in balancing the pen (see section below)
Balance
After making final adjustments to the glues used in the tips (sticky tak and hot glue), I have noticed that the balance is a bit off from that the insert is marked. To fix this, use 6 metal washers instead of 5 (I just add an extra silver painted one in the center) and add some sticky tak to the cap.
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:44:35
i have washers and screws for trade
nice tut kam.
everything is super pro -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:47:51
what's the length of the screw?
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:48:15
A holy crap, it's here. I need to get parts.
Hmmm, This seems to be a controversial pen in terms of penspinning. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:50:13
GEEZ, i'm gonna have a tough time collecting all these parts -.-''
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:50:18
you should have definitely figured something better than washers and screws.
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:53:30
this is why i guess u took more than 160 images
this is very professional. and is there only black signo rt or is there more? -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:53:35QUOTE (Adam_ADD @ Aug 17 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>you should have definitely figured something better than washers and screws.
You try to figure out how to put a bunch of weight in an rsvp cap without making it look bad. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:54:13
Wow its out! great job kam this will be revolutionary just like your other pens!
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:55:54QUOTE (CPM8 @ Aug 17 2008, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what's the length of the screw?
1.5cm, but doesn't matter much. As long as the weight is about the same, and allows you to place the washers over them, it should workQUOTE (Adam_ADD @ Aug 17 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>you should have definitely figured something better than washers and screws.
Err....1 screw + 5 washers is less than $0.50... 2 metal tips is at least 3 or 4 dollar...washers and screws comes in all sizes and are available in any country....hgg tips are hard to find anywhere outside Europe...
Hmm...I think I'll stick with the washers and screw
I know it's unusual at first, but give them a try...you just might find yourself loving them ^^ -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:57:58
wtf it's so hard..well nice tut anyways *goes find parts*
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:58:39QUOTE (iamk34n3 @ Aug 18 2008, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You try to figure out how to put a bunch of weight in an rsvp cap without making it look bad.
cut metal shaker peice shoved into a long enough grip. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:59:02QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 18 2008, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>1.5cm, but doesn't matter much. As long as the weight is about the same, and allows you to place the washers over them, it should work
Err....1 screw + 5 washers is less than $0.50... 2 metal tips is at least 3 or 4 dollar...washers and screws comes in all sizes and are available in any country....hgg tips are hard to find anywhere outside Europe...
Hmm...I think I'll stick with the washers and screw
I know it's unusual at first, but give them a try...you just might find yourself loving them ^^
I don't think he's talking about price or availability. I think he's more about it in terms of pen modding. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 04:59:10
Omg! I am going tomorrow and getting everything! Should of got the pens first. But oh well. And dayummmm, lots of other materials needed. There goes me ordering from penwish >.> But it will be worth it
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:00:07
Great work, Kam! Much more intricate than i anticipated haha. I would have done a lot of things different to achieve that kind of weight without seeing this tutorial.
Just taking a quick glance over your tutorial though...instead of trying to make that fancy mini rubber band could you use something like 2 rings of anyball grip instead? It would certainly make it a lot easier but you would have to add $1 to the overall cost ...although everyone has spare anyball/profile rings they would probably use. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:03:16
I truely dont see the point of the rubber band bit.... i highly doubt a teeny bit of rubber would make that much of a difference
it doesnt make it more stable than just superglueing the tip straight on would...
and there is superglue inbetween the rubber and the HGG tip... wouldnt it be the glue absorbing the impact?
from a physics standpoint you drop your pen at an angle mostly...
avoiding "impact" would be to avoid the tip breaking off...
which happens in a side to side motion.
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:03:20
Incredible tutorial. This board needs more tutorials like this, not those crap pen mods that people post just for the hell of it. With that aisde...
This pen is no doubt an excellent mod. Its probably the best single sided pen of this weight out there. Unlike an MX, I found it very easy to execute arounds and continuous tricks such midbak1.5 with it. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:04:37QUOTE (stevieboy7 @ Aug 17 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I truely dont see the point of the rubber band bit.... is it to add height?
it doesnt make it more stable than just superglueing the tip straight on would...
It's for absorbing impact. (No pun intended) -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:08:31QUOTE (stevieboy7 @ Aug 17 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I truely dont see the point of the rubber band bit.... is it to add height?
it doesnt make it more stable than just superglueing the tip straight on would...
It's not for weight...but rather absorption of impact (dam...how many times have we said Impact already...lol)
the cushy material that the rubberband is made of basically allow the pen to take more beating without breaking. Using superglue would make the pen easier to break when dropped in hard surfaces. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:09:00
Nice, Lets give kam a Round of appluse XD
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:09:33QUOTE (stevieboy7 @ Aug 18 2008, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I truely dont see the point of the rubber band bit.... i highly doubt a teeny bit of rubber would make that much of a difference
it doesnt make it more stable than just superglueing the tip straight on would...
and there is superglue inbetween the rubber and the HGG tip... wouldnt it be the glue absorbing the impact?
from a physics standpoint you drop your pen at an angle mostly...
avoiding "impact" would be to avoid the tip breaking off...
which happens in a side to side motion.
The rubber does not help against side to side motion.
it absorbers the shock when dropping...
you night have had that problem with the pastic rsvp tip breaking on the mx's.
forgot all that none sense
he tested it...it works
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:10:04
No offense Kam, but this seems like a ridiculous amount of time and effort put into one mod.
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:11:42QUOTE (Xero @ Aug 17 2008, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No offense Kam, but this seems like a ridiculous amount of time and effort put into one mod.
Maybe so, but its better than spending a little but of time and releasing a bunch of poor mods that no one will make. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:12:44QUOTE (TEK @ Aug 18 2008, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it absorbers the shock when dropping...
you night have had that problem with the pastic rsvp tip breaking on the mx's.
what "shock"?
what else happens to a pen when it falls rather than the tip being broken off/falling off?
as i said.. the rubber band does nothing comparitive to hot glue. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:13:36
AFAIK the reason for the screw and washers as opposed to other kinds of weight is to give a better look to the mod and make it look for "authentic"
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:13:48QUOTE (stevieboy7 @ Aug 17 2008, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what "shock"?
what else happens to a pen when it falls rather than the tip being broken off/falling off?
as i said.. the rubber band does nothing comparitive to hot glue.
And as I said, the hot glue breaks over time. I used hot glue on mines, and I can now pull the tip off. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:14:10QUOTE (Zombo @ Aug 18 2008, 01:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>AFAIK the reason for the screw and washers as opposed to other kinds of weight is to give a better look to the mod and make it look for "authentic"
Weight? -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:15:09
how is it waterproof? cant it get in through the front tips and back plug?
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:15:45QUOTE (Zombo @ Aug 17 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>AFAIK the reason for the screw and washers as opposed to other kinds of weight is to give a better look to the mod and make it look for "authentic"
I've got to admit, it does give it a more authentic look, since all the washers are exactly the same width. ^^ -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:17:23
the whole washer thing reminds of of an axis
nice work
lol, this will probably create a washer sales boom. I bet the hgg was just another pen before you made it famous with ur mx.
I also feel sorry for anyone who posts a new tutorial while this is still up, cuz i doubt anyone will notice it.
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:17:50QUOTE (Xero @ Aug 17 2008, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Weight?
18.2g is the weight of the pen.
Or are you talking about other forms of weight in the cap such as tips, etc.QUOTE (Sankaku @ Aug 17 2008, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>how is it waterproof? cant it get in through the front tips and back plug?
Read the tutorial. You use glue on the rsvp tip. I don't know about the back plug, but I wouldn't really throw my pen in the water. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:18:00
You know, I've never had a problem of the pen mod completely breaking after being dropped. But honestly I don't care about new revolutionary technology. I like pens for how they spin and partly for how they look. If this pen spins well, then the advancements are only an addition. If this pen doesn't, on the other hand, then the technology is just... well new technology alone. Maybe if these can be applied to other pens, then it might be very useful.
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:18:05QUOTE (Sankaku @ Aug 17 2008, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>how is it waterproof? cant it get in through the front tips and back plug?
its sealed by silicon glue
And if you guys are wondering, waterproofing a pen can be useful in case of an inktube explosion/leak for example if you accidentally washed your pen. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:20:02QUOTE (Xero @ Aug 18 2008, 01:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Weight?
??? well more momentum, if you prefer. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:24:11
i think this is going to be the most viewed thread....
and i think thread with most people watching it at the same time..
is someone going to post this in JEB? -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:30:30
Haha, and the shoutbox is going with Impact MX related stuffs as well.
Ooo, tomorrow, I'm going to china town, picking up some HGG's.
Then jetting to Home Depot to pick up screws and washers. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:32:08QUOTE (pholord @ Aug 18 2008, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Maybe so, but its better than spending a little but of time and releasing a bunch of poor mods that no one will make.
I doubt many people will end up making this one now... because of it's complexity and use of obscure parts.
I know i'll end up making one cause I already bought the Impact RTs, but other than that reason, I'm probably wouldn't have made it.
Kam's MX became popular since it's a decent pen considering how little parts it uses and how easy it is to make. And you use much less tools for the MX too. When I saw the list of tools that this thing uses...I was already kinda upset -.-''
And like K4S said... that rubberband step can probably be substituted with an anyball grip piece--and since it's for more well-seasoned modders, they definitely have an anyball piece lying around.
The washers and screw... -.-''
*sigh* I dunno... what i would say has basically said by everyone else, more or less
I'd probably be more willing to spend the money for the extra hgg tips instead of using that simply because...those are pen pieces- not some wierd thing that most kids/teenagers would be familiar with. We also can't weigh the tip and the washers to make sure that they're the right weight, since not all of us have electronic scales or scales that can weigh that kind of stuff. If you used tips, people could be sure that they're all the same weight...
And silicon glue.... wtf.. i've never even heard of that kind of glue -.-''
The stickytak... well, i'm not too upset about that since I have something similar that I had bought for art in the past. But as for other people, it may not be accessible--and I dont' think teflon tape will work the same way =\ or maybe it will..i havent' tried yet.
I definitely won't be making it exactly as the tutorial has laid it all out, but i'll try to make it as close as possible.
I'll post my opinion of the pen's ability to spin afterwards, probably in the show off your pen thread -.-''
I appreciate your hard work on this Kam and I'm extremely impressed at how many hours you put into on this. Unfortunately, there is quite a large amount of negative feedback about the screws and washers. This is indeed revolutionary.....it's leading the penspinning world to a road that uses pens that are a bit less unconventional and less pen-like. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:34:05QUOTE (stevieboy7 @ Aug 18 2008, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what "shock"?
what else happens to a pen when it falls rather than the tip being broken off/falling off?
as i said.. the rubber band does nothing comparitive to hot glue.
no really
he has really tried it...
if you see his test impact mx...you can see a huge dent in the tip cuz kam slammed it hard against the a hard surface and all that happend
was make the tip loose...wtich you can re glue back...
if you did that with like an mx...the rsvp tip would break and you would need to change out the whole body.
that has happen to me before.. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:34:21QUOTE (stevieboy7 @ Aug 17 2008, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what "shock"?
what else happens to a pen when it falls rather than the tip being broken off/falling off?
as i said.. the rubber band does nothing comparitive to hot glue.
I think that's what we're trying to avoid? XD I've thrown my prototype up in the air (not sure how high...maybe 2.5~3m) a few times at a parking lot, the tip stayed put and nothing broke. I was tempted to go higher, but it was my only prototype.QUOTE (TRoc @ Aug 17 2008, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You know, I've never had a problem of the pen mod completely breaking after being dropped. But honestly I don't care about new revolutionary technology. I like pens for how they spin and partly for how they look. If this pen spins well, then the advancements are only an addition. If this pen doesn't, on the other hand, then the technology is just... well new technology alone. Maybe if these can be applied to other pens, then it might be very useful.
I think it'll only break if you try to glue it permanently (like with super glue). Anyways, most people who have tried this mod says it spins well (tell me if I'm lying), but I honestly just made this pen so I can learn harder tricks faster with something i'm proud to spin with. The other heavy mods that I am aware of when I started this project all looked a bit too much for me.
I don't know...somewhere along the road the Impact MX turned into this super hyped mod >_< -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:40:01
You outdone yourself again Kam
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:44:38QUOTE (-JC- @ Aug 18 2008, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I appreciate your hard work on this Kam and I'm extremely impressed at how many hours you put into on this. Unfortunately, there is quite a large amount of negative feedback about the screws and washers. This is indeed revolutionary.....it's leading the penspinning world to a road that uses pens that are a bit less unconventional and less pen-like.
dude you totally got the wrong idea, the point of this mod was to put up a "realistic" looking mod with heavy momentum, and the use of screws and washers make it look more like a real pen while adding weights. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:45:08
Awesome tutorial Kam.
Seems you've explained every inch of the pen.
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:48:43QUOTE (pholord @ Aug 17 2008, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Maybe so, but its better than spending a little but of time and releasing a bunch of poor mods that no one will make.
QFT enough said.
I cannot understand why people go against using washers and non-pen parts
Try making an MX with all pen parts and NOTHING else
"Pshh here *pic*, All i used was an rsvp and hgg"
"Did you use teflon tape?
"... *tip falls off*"
Anywhoo, very nice tutorial
This is definitely worth the effort
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:50:31
congrats kam...nice mod..its the beginning of a new era of pen mod(rsvp)...this pen will not sink but revive to be a history in pen modding along with others rsvp's mod..im a mechanical engineering student and what i can say is what KAM had done(in choosing the material that suits its name is 100% suitable for an impact resistance)...nice choosing washer as well..cant think better that that..unique of thoughts...10/10...looks good 2...
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:57:19
If it's alright with you guys...I think I'm gonna get some rest and work on the insert section tomorrow. I also need to redo some of the insert because somehow I used an older version of my template and the size is about 1 mm longer than it should >_<
I don't really think anyone will be able to get all the parts and finish modding so quickly, so hopefully I won't get flamed too much for delaying the insert XD -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 05:59:46
nope, nobody'll flame you for an insert delay
just get enough sleep and rest
thanks again the amount of effort you put it -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 06:08:53
Just made the front part of this mod (since I don't have washers + screws ATM), and I like it right now. I used thick electrical tape instead of a rubber band, it has the same absorbency, but it also sticks to things
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 06:11:15QUOTE (Xero @ Aug 18 2008, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No offense Kam, but this seems like a ridiculous amount of time and effort put into one mod.
then dont make it.... QUOTE (stevieboy7 @ Aug 18 2008, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what "shock"?
what else happens to a pen when it falls rather than the tip being broken off/falling off?
as i said.. the rubber band does nothing comparitive to hot glue.
then do it with hot glue, and if it fails, you know why.
wow im kinda mean right now. sorry, but its so obnoxious when people are like "this is pointless" without trying it (imo)
and Kam, great job with the tut. It's sooooo pro!! and you did a great job explaining every aspect of the pen.
(Imo again) no one should have anything to complain about in terms of your pen, unfortunantly thats not how the world works. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 06:16:45 Bravo Kam!
I just finished making one, but I'll hold off posting pics in the show-off pens thread until the insert is released (hopefully soon)
I must say, that it spins very well and feels about the same weight as a KT (althought the weights seem to say it weighs more).
I had to tweak a few things in the tutorial to get things working properly. (ie. My washers must be slightly wider diameter than the one's Kam used, because they wouldn't go in the cap far enough to get the rsvp body into it, so I had to just trim the lower hgg grip section. Also I added tape betweent he tips and the rsvp grip, because the Impact grip got really narrow over that point, but its nice and smooth now.
I also just used a spare rsvp grip as an alternate to the second HGG.
Overall, its a fantastic mod, and didnt take tooo long to make (maybe 50 minutes for me). -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 06:17:57
Teq, thank you, seriously. You people have not tried this pen. Try it.
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 06:23:10
ehh...the washers kinda killed it for me...
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 07:13:27
Thanks Kam! pity i won't be able to get the parts though..
Spinz would've been way more successful if you actually made their mods rather than just evaluate them. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 07:23:28
Wow Kam.. Nicely done!
*Clap Clap*
Great mod! -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 07:57:50
Awesome Tutorial!
I'm not sure I'll make this mod, since it's a bit to heavy to me, but it looks like you really made sure everything is perfect in it.
Great Job! -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 08:56:14
I added a picture I noticed it was missing (right under the Materials list)
It's just a detailed pic of the screws and washers I used, in case you have a Home Depot and want to find the exact stuff.
Edit: and another picture with instructions on how to cut the insert. Now I just need to upload the insert somewhere. Any sugestions? -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 09:52:21
Hard tutorial ^^, Happy that TEK make the skyblue-yellow for me XD
For the insert, use the upsb wiki no ? -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 10:05:54
Yeah he's finally out, so hard tutorial >< but very good job Kam
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 10:20:39QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 18 2008, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I added a picture I noticed it was missing (right under the Materials list)
It's just a detailed pic of the screws and washers I used, in case you have a Home Depot and want to find the exact stuff.
Edit: and another picture with instructions on how to cut the insert. Now I just need to upload the insert somewhere. Any sugestions?
er... upload it as a picture then people can copy and paste it into their computers and print it out. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 10:25:25
I'm pretty sure he's releasing it as a .psd file. Not sure if the wiki will accept that, otherwise http://www.mediafire.com is good.
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 10:28:24
Hi Kam, kudos for the massive effort and time put into this tutorial, I acknowledge it to be a great mod. But don't you think that the classic MX look, and yet heavy pen mod can be achieved through easier means? Such as putting solder at the ends of the pen to increase weight, makes things alot easier.
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 11:36:22
Nice!!!
Thx for tutorial.
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 11:39:05
dam ur screws and washers.looks like im not making this pen anytime soon
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 12:00:27
I don't understand; are screws and washers hard to get?
great job kam, but it'll be a bit before I'm able to get the pens needed (parents don't let me buy pens). -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 12:06:50QUOTE (NaDa @ Aug 18 2008, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't understand; are screws and washers hard to get?
not really, you can probably go to any home depot and find it with no problem
only problem is... you have to go out of your way to get it 'cause not everyone has screws and washers in their house--that's the only real issue
--oh, plus the fact that screws and washers aren't found from a pen =\ -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 12:10:29
kick ass man thats all i have to say
nice job! looks great -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 12:34:12QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 18 2008, 05:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Kam, kudos for the massive effort and time put into this tutorial, I acknowledge it to be a great mod. But don't you think that the classic MX look, and yet heavy pen mod can be achieved through easier means? Such as putting solder at the ends of the pen to increase weight, makes things alot easier.
I would say... Screws and Washers are much cheaper than going out and getting a solder >_> -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 12:42:46
great job kam.
and i love you guys and all. but how about this. you go buy a 6 pack of rsvps 6 screws a shitload of washers. and a few impact rts.
you got yourself 6 imact mx's instead of whining about a screw and a few washers. its not too big of a deal. theres a whole new concept of adding weight/style to pens and its cheaper than tips, and less time consuming than cutting grips.
i know for a fact the idea of putting screws and painted washers into a cap was probably unthought of until now
ill be making one soon. even if i have to go to two stores instead of one store. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 13:19:16
super super super sexy mod ! thanks kam !
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 13:51:03
Good job Kam
And for people out there who think this mod takes too long to make, look at some of peoples ayatori mod grip cuts.... those take a long time too
I'm just pissed that i went to the Home Depot ON SATURDAY
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 13:55:43
amazing tut kam! the pictures were so helpful and the tut was written very well. thanks for spending so much time for us!
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 14:13:50
Nice mod/tutorial.
Sounds like you put a lot of work into it.
I'll be making one when I get the parts. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 14:22:18
Nice but the parts and all the work are bad but still thank you for the tut
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 14:36:33QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 18 2008, 03:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Kam, kudos for the massive effort and time put into this tutorial, I acknowledge it to be a great mod. But don't you think that the classic MX look, and yet heavy pen mod can be achieved through easier means? Such as putting solder at the ends of the pen to increase weight, makes things alot easier.
Solder would be messy and unattractive and you would not be able to remove it if you wanted to.
And if you guys are gonna cut parts, DO NOT LEAVE OUT THE STICKYTAK. This stuff is superior to teflon tape as it has more shock absorbency and is reusable if you unscrew the tip. You can easily find it at wal-mart in the tape and glue area as Handitak. It will replace teflon in every mod out there and is especially good for tip stacking like in the mx^2 or MPFX. 1 pack will last you a lifetime. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 15:22:43QUOTE (-JC- @ Aug 18 2008, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>not really, you can probably go to any home depot and find it with no problem
only problem is... you have to go out of your way to get it 'cause not everyone has screws and washers in their house--that's the only real issue
--oh, plus the fact that screws and washers aren't found from a pen =\
uhh pen modders already go out of their way to find foreign pens through trading and ordering online so I have no idea what you're talking about, seems like a small effort comparatively to me.
also ppl already trade pen parts specific for mods, so this would just be another part to be used that could be traded or bought. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 15:44:37QUOTE (Zombo @ Aug 18 2008, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>uhh pen modders already go out of their way to find foreign pens through trading and ordering online so I have no idea what you're talking about, seems like a small effort comparatively to me.
also ppl already trade pen parts specific for mods, so this would just be another part to be used that could be traded or bought.
eh, i suppose you're right
i dunno, it's just that i have hgg tips/other random tips lying around and don't really have too many screws or washers that are the right size
i guess as this thing gets going and people start having a steady supply of the right sized screws and washers, it'll be alright--it's gonna have a rough start though with people collecting the pieces
but those poeple collecting the pieces'll probably buy a ton of screws/washers anyway, so that'll do for the supply...
*sigh*
oh, and i just made an impacct mx.. well, sorta, i subbed out the washers and screws for some tips... (i used f-301 and hgg tip--adds up to about 2.5g...give or take a little)
-the metal from the tips show a little, but i'll live ^^"
it really wasn't that tough to make...
i didn't use the silicon glue cause 1. i don't have it and 2. not gonna go out and get it to waterproof it since i never spin near water anyway xDD and 3. none of my pens have really exploded =\
instead of the stickytak, i used this rubbery eraser thing that acts like the same thing ---art students might knwo what i'm talking about (it's used for lightening pencil marks up but not entirely erasing it)
after hot gluing the impact tip onto the hgg tips, it seems kinda loose =\ .....
after putting the impact grip over the impact tip and hgg tips, the area that the hgg tips are have a lot of space between the grip and tips... i'm eh about that -.-''
as for spinning-wise, it's actually pretty good
it's like spinning a mx^2 but with more momentum
can't wait for that insert kam, but at the same time, take your time
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 15:56:33QUOTE (-JC- @ Aug 18 2008, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>after putting the impact grip over the impact tip and hgg tips, the area that the hgg tips are have a lot of space between the grip and tips... i'm eh about that -.-''
That space is designed to serve as an air cushion to make it easier to do infinities. May take a little while to get used to it. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 15:59:26QUOTE (pholord @ Aug 18 2008, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That space is designed to serve as an air cushion to make it easier to do infinities. May take a little while to get used to it.
oh..i see
i'm too used to the solidness of the ayatori grip over the barrel
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 16:18:49
Is it also possible to substitute the Impact RT Grip with a Signo Knock Type Grip? I believe that the Impact RT is only available in the US, so it would be good, if other Grips work also good with this mod.
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 17:00:40
wow....best tut i've ever seen....
too bad it'll be hard to grab the parts....
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 17:02:35
So many parts, don't think i'll be able to make it x__x"
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 17:27:03QUOTE (webspider @ Aug 18 2008, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is it also possible to substitute the Impact RT Grip with a Signo Knock Type Grip? I believe that the Impact RT is only available in the US, so it would be good, if other Grips work also good with this mod.
TEK already uses a subbed grip. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say anything, so you should probably just ask him. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 17:29:05
Damn, i thought for sure this would be easier.
idk if i am going to make it nao. -__-
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Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 17:37:08
Here's my 2 cents:
-The tutorial is alright. I find it to be a little convoluted. There is a step that is optional, like erasing the text off the barrel. Also, the separation of pictures and text makes the entire tutorial longer than it needs to be. A mixture of pictures and text would make for a more efficient tutorial and saves space. Not to mention it will capture the attention span better.
-The mod itself is okay. The fact that it uses the Impact RT pen is cool.
-However, the sheer number of things that go into making this makes it an expensive mod. I much prefer making cheaper, quicker mods.
-(To the rest of the thread) The idea of using screws and washers is not a revolutionary idea. The SPS by subparspinner used BB pellets, or even ball bearings. If you're thinking that using a metal object that is not normally found in pens is a revolutionary idea, then you're wrong.
-I won't dispute the impact resistant qualities, but the rubber band part seems like a lot of hassle. Maybe a Profile grip could act the same way? Even though the Profile grip isn't as dense, it could still absorb shocks.
-What stevieboy is trying to say is that although the rubber band is in the front-most tip, what about the 2 HGG tips? They are only held on by sticky tak. Is sticky tak THAT good enough to not add rubber bands to them too?
-For those of you that think the parts are hard to get, they're not. As far as washers and screws go, you can get those in your town easily! I'd be very surprised if your town didn't have a hardware store. How else would things get built? However, the only things that are hard to get would be the pens, such as RSVP, HGG, and Impact RT. That's it. Kudos to Kam for using easy-to-find stuff. Even ball bearings aren't as common.
-TEK, the part where you said the problem we might have had with the RSVP tip breaking underneath the HGG tip... that argument does not hold for the IMX. The only thing holding the 2 HGG tips onto the RSVP's plastic tip is JUST stickytak, NOT the rubber band. I share the same thoughts with stevieboy as far as the 2 HGG tips go. The rubber band only helps the IRT metal tip, not the 2 HGG tips. So, is sticky tak THAT good?
-All in all, I think the amount of time spent on this is commendable, but could have been done a lot shorter. The tutorial itself was overkill and not entirely efficient as far as space and attention-grabbing goes. The mod took an entire year to create, but I personally believe that is just too long given the design specs of this. However, given that Kam has a full time job, I completely understand. I won't be making this mod because it's too heavy for me and I don't need the impact resistant qualities. My regular MXs have survived this long through all the drops I've put them through. I'm sure they'll be just fine. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 18:03:22QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 18 2008, 03:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Kam, kudos for the massive effort and time put into this tutorial, I acknowledge it to be a great mod. But don't you think that the classic MX look, and yet heavy pen mod can be achieved through easier means? Such as putting solder at the ends of the pen to increase weight, makes things alot easier.
I actually joked with TEK about this, but might actually give it a try. Right now I don't have a soldering iron though, and I've already spent $300 last month on PS stuff...ugh >_<
I am not too concerned about it being messy, as I'm sure with practice it can be made to look good. I am worried, however, that it might melt the plastic?QUOTE (pholord @ Aug 18 2008, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Solder would be messy and unattractive and you would not be able to remove it if you wanted to.
And if you guys are gonna cut parts, DO NOT LEAVE OUT THE STICKYTAK. This stuff is superior to teflon tape as it has more shock absorbency and is reusable if you unscrew the tip. You can easily find it at wal-mart in the tape and glue area as Handitak. It will replace teflon in every mod out there and is especially good for tip stacking like in the mx^2 or MPFX. 1 pack will last you a lifetime.
Couldn't agree more...with Teflon tape, the tips would often fly off, but with sticky tak, when you drop it really hard, all it does it loosen the tip a bit, which you then just push it back. It has made a great difference on this mod and tutorial (yes, without it, it would be hard to keep grip and the tips from rolling all over XDQUOTE (-JC- @ Aug 18 2008, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>...
after hot gluing the impact tip onto the hgg tips, it seems kinda loose =\ .....
after putting the impact grip over the impact tip and hgg tips, the area that the hgg tips are have a lot of space between the grip and tips... i'm eh about that -.-''
as for spinning-wise, it's actually pretty good
it's like spinning a mx^2 but with more momentum
can't wait for that insert kam, but at the same time, take your time ;)
did you hot glue the HGG tip to the rubberband? The IRT tip should be flexible (as you can move it around a bit) but not loose. It should also come back to its original position.
The tip is not "solid" like most mods because that is the whole point of using the rubberband to absorb impact.
To those who have a problem with the mod using non-pen parts, I would like to hear what the 'real' concern is. It's not like they look bad, is it? And like Zombo mentioned, it's not more difficult to get them than some pen parts that require you to trade internationally. And please don't tell me it's because it is "different" XD
Oh yeah, and sry to dispappoint those who thought this would be easier. I never said this mod was easy to make, and it has not been one of the goals when developing this mod. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 18:08:03QUOTE (Eso @ Aug 18 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So, is sticky tak THAT good?
Yes
Eso makes a good point, screws and other weights have been used before many times. Its not new, Ive been doing it ever since I saw the Frat MX2. As for the 2 HGG tips, they are covered by the Impact grip which will absorb the impact. The rubber band part isnt necessary, you could easily skip it or use a small profile grip section, but it is cool to have for own custom o-ring for the IRT tip -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 18:22:55QUOTE (pholord @ Aug 18 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes
Eso makes a good point, screws and other weights have been used before many times. Its not new, Ive been doing it ever since I saw the Frat MX2. As for the 2 HGG tips, they are covered by the Impact grip which will absorb the impact. The rubber band part isnt necessary, you could easily skip it or use a small profile grip section, but it is cool to have for own custom o-ring for the IRT tip
yeah really...
stick take works wonders o.O
but yeah
with all this new revolutionary stuff...it is always hard to adjust to it.
just like if we were to use a different energy source other then oils...
it takes a lot to adjust...but once you get all of the materials, you dont hafta us all those washers and bolts on the impact mx.
you can use them for ur other new future mod and eventually it will be a normal thing in pen modding. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 18:46:16QUOTE (pholord @ Aug 18 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes
Eso makes a good point, screws and other weights have been used before many times. Its not new, Ive been doing it ever since I saw the Frat MX2.
Yea and I remeber K4S used 4 fishing weights in his SARMP, I believe. -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 19:28:03
ok, you guys gotta stop putting words in my mouth...I don't think I ever said anything about revolutionary other than the Insert. If someone said this was a revolutionary mod, it was certainly not me. I just didn't say anything
(hey, if you want to give me more credit than I deserve, I'll take it)
Also, for the record, I have never heard of Frat's MX^2 or other mods that used washers or screws before. I have thought of this stuff on my own, but even then...I have not claimed originality. If I had gotten the idea from Frat, I would have certainly given him credit. I mean...I credited everyone that I can remember making a contribution on this mod. Why would I not credit him if that's where I got the idea?
Anyways, whether you like the methods used in this mod or not, that's fine...I don't really care. Everyone's entitled their opinion. If you want to suggest alternatives, feel free to do so...some people might use them. But this mod has been tested and works the way it is right now. I won't be making any major changes for this first release (unless there's some huge flaw that I have missed). -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 20:03:44
This was by the far the most OVER-HYPED mod of all time. Not Kam's fault, the community blew it WAY out of proportion. It seems like this is more of a school friendly mod, dropping on hard surfaces/desks etc..etc. I personally will probably make on in the upcoming week.
The tutorial is solid, but It would've been nice for each note had a number for each step on the Text. It can get confusing and you can lose your place easily.
I like the washer/screw idea. I don't get why people think its such an odd thing. Same weight+cheaper+Same look under grips=whats not to like?
Overall good, but I do agree with eso that there was a bit of overkill on the pictures and such. But thats just a personal opinion -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 22:07:33QUOTE (TEK @ Aug 18 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yeah really...
stick take works wonders o.O
but yeah
with all this new revolutionary stuff...it is always hard to adjust to it.
just like if we were to use a different energy source other then oils...
it takes a lot to adjust...but once you get all of the materials, you dont hafta us all those washers and bolts on the impact mx.
you can use them for ur other new future mod and eventually it will be a normal thing in pen modding.
thats exactly what i said meng.
i put quotations around "revolutionary" because it isnt the right word to use. but i know for a fact this pen will have me thinking differently as a pen modder. so even if i make one and i HATE it. thanks kam -
Date: Mon, Aug 18 2008 22:53:17QUOTE (Coolatta @ Aug 18 2008, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>thats exactly what i said meng.
i put quotations around "revolutionary" because it isnt the right word to use. but i know for a fact this pen will have me thinking differently as a pen modder. so even if i make one and i HATE it. thanks kam
oh sorry i didn't read all of the 5 pages of this thread XD -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 00:14:23QUOTE (TEK @ Aug 18 2008, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>oh sorry i didn't read all of the 5 pages of this thread XD
s'all good
but cant help but blame you for part of the hype. with all those crazy impacts you made.
especialy the one where you cut the grip. that was too hot to handle XD -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 00:25:10
I stole...i mean bought Impact non RT's for a mod i won't make. O well, they're like signos. Kam nice mod, just way too heavy for me.
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 01:00:16
hahahahaha oh man this is fancy stuff.
too fancy for me
also seems way to heavy, but that is just my preference
oh well, back to my bictories ^^. i might trade for one of these if they turn out to be really good -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 02:04:56
The impacxt MX looks nice but what is the exact point of the closed rubberband
and is there a sub for the sticky tak -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 02:08:07QUOTE (Will510 @ Aug 18 2008, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The impacxt MX looks nice but what is the exact point of the closed rubberband
and is there a sub for the sticky tak
*sigh* this was asked... its to reduce the impact if you drop it
and teflon tape works... -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 03:00:30QUOTE (Will510 @ Aug 18 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The impacxt MX looks nice but what is the exact point of the closed rubberband
and is there a sub for the sticky tak
The rubberband is used so that the tips don't break the RSVP. Also, notice the Q+A at the end of the tutorial. -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 03:35:26
I just found more info about the sticky tack. Apparently the original is called Blu Tack.
Hope this helps people find similar substitutes -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 03:39:26
Kam - did you find a place to upload the .psd file for the insert? I'd suggest mediafire or rapidshare.
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 03:50:01
hmmm much more of a hassle then i expected. washers and screws? hmmm.... i thought i was gonna make this, but its way too expensive for me as a single pen. good job tho =D
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 04:41:09
I just made my Impact MX, and I'm loving it! I made a run into town to get the stuff, and for all the people whining about screws and washers, 1 screw and 6 washers cost me 30 cents... none of the stores carried Impact RT's, so I subbed the IRT parts with a signo tip and G2 Grip and it works fantastic! Thanks for the tutorial, Kam. The sticky tak worked suprisingly well! Pics in the SOYP thread.
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 07:51:35
Update: Added link to the insert on first two posts.
Note that this insert is for the Impact MX ONLY. I know I'll hear people whining about wanting to use it on other pens, but it is what it is. I am very picky about my graphics (as you can tell) and I just don't want the insert to be used randomly on pens where the COG doesn't even match the insert.
If anything, this insert gives you an idea for new ways of making seamless inserts...which is the main point of releasing it. I am tired of seeing beautiful inserts out there that is just ruined by the fact that if you take a closer look, you'll see where the edge of the paper wraps
If you print this insert and follow the instructions (yes...that means reading the tutorial and painting the edge of the insert), it will be very hard for a normal person to see where the insert wraps.
Ok...I'm really tired...gonna finish another project then go to sleep >_<
Edit: Oh yeah...before someone converts it to JPEG and redistributes it...read the Terms of Use -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 07:59:28
Very awesome insert, glad you released it. And very generous of you leaving it as a .psd file
...just letting you know though...people will not listen to your request of using that insert for the IMX only. Maybe you should throw out the idea that anyone posting pics of pens using that insert that are not an IMX will be immediately banned from posting for a month
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 08:08:16
i'm gonna try to do this mod..btw,nice tutorial and insert ,KAM...good job..
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 09:44:25
Read the copyright note... Which one ? I tryed to click on that red thing, but an empty window opened.
And I don't think lot of people have Photoshop... (it's very expensive and I don't think everybody has an illegal version)
So it will be hard for them to print that insert.
And you can't prevent people from using your insert in other pens. That's just ridiculous...
And for your bad argument of the COG, we can move it on the insert.. -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 10:46:42
Sorry kam but can you release some other inserts in the same design but in different colours like what you said in your insert preview? I don't know how to use photoshop and many of us here do not too.
Thanks alot kam. This mod is great! -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 10:56:20
Who cares what pen you use the insert for? If people like it and want it for their other pens, you should let them. Thats like saying, hey I'll give you this free box, but I'm only letting you put empty gum wrappers in it, you can't put anything else in it or I'll get upset. Its just irrational.
You released a free tutorial on a pen mod with a free insert for it. If it costed money for the insert, then it would be totally different.
But anyways, great mod!
I was suprised when I went into staples and they had like 30 Impact RTs. -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 14:27:23
Kam...this is teh internetz, if someone "stole" your insert and used it on a different pen (liek z0mg what a tragedy), why even care? It's just stupid and communistic. >.>
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 16:32:19
Thanks for the insert Kam, few people actually release the PSD file. Thanks man.
The only bad thing is that there is going to be people who use it in every pen they can, it's pretty much inevitable. Sad to say. -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 17:41:15QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Aug 19 2008, 03:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sorry kam but can you release some other inserts in the same design but in different colours like what you said in your insert preview? I don't know how to use photoshop and many of us here do not too.
Thanks alot kam. This mod is great!
I'll release some JPEG or PNG files with some basic colors. I was too tired and didn't have time to do it.QUOTE (Logic @ Aug 19 2008, 03:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Who cares what pen you use the insert for? If people like it and want it for their other pens, you should let them. Thats like saying, hey I'll give you this free box, but I'm only letting you put empty gum wrappers in it, you can't put anything else in it or I'll get upset. Its just irrational.
You released a free tutorial on a pen mod with a free insert for it. If it costed money for the insert, then it would be totally different.
But anyways, great mod!
I was suprised when I went into staples and they had like 30 Impact RTs.
Errr...excuse me? Why should I let my work be butchered in any way people feel like? You try spending more than 2 weeks designing an insert that is seamless and have the COG line integrated in the design. Then you let people use it as an insert for an umodded Bic crystal. Then tell me how that feels.QUOTE (nateiskewl @ Aug 19 2008, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Kam...this is teh internetz, if someone "stole" your insert and used it on a different pen (liek z0mg what a tragedy), why even care? It's just stupid and communistic. >.>
How does that have anything with communism? o_O
My logic is simple...I'm releasing an insert that was made for one pen...and one pen ONLY. If you try to put that on another pen, it will have the Impact MX writing on it and it will not match the COG (i.e.: it will be misleading and not useful). If you try to clean up the words, chances are it will not look good. If you are good enough to clean it looking sharp and crisp...good for you. But don't let me know about it or I'll hunt you down XD
If you guys don't like the terms I set forth, simply ignore that the insert even exists. I don't think many mods are released with a custom insert, let alone an editable PSD file.
EDIT: Sorry...I have to take down the file until further notice. Seems like there's something wrong with it. I'll fix it and reupload it tonight -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 17:46:49QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 19 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How does that have anything with communism? o_O
Communistic leaders like to control everything strictly. -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 17:54:31QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 19 2008, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Errr...excuse me? Why should I let my work be butchered in any way people feel like? You try spending more than 2 weeks designing an insert that is seamless and have the COG line integrated in the design. Then you let people use it as an insert for an umodded Bic crystal. Then tell me how that feels.
I have lot of respect for your work, and I know how hard it is to make an insert, but I don't understand why people can't put it in an unmodded Bic crystal. What's the problem ? We do what we want, if a boy think it's nice, why prevent him..?QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 19 2008, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If you try to put that on another pen, it will have the Impact MX writing on it and it will not match the COG (i.e.: it will be misleading and not useful). If you try to clean up the words, chances are it will not look good. If you are good enough to clean it looking sharp and crisp...good for you. But don't let me know about it or I'll hunt you down XD
It's pretty easy to take off the Impact MX.. (I did it quick, there are little imperfections but when it's printed, you can't really see it..)
Spoiler:
For the COG, it's not a problem. Most of the insert don't care where the COG is, I don't understand it would be different with your insert.. Even if there's a white stripe in the middle.
And if someone enjoyed your insert, why prevent him from using it... If it was my insert, it would be great and I would be proud...
Thanks to you, we have a beautiful insert, so why depriving ourselves.. (sorry for the mistakes in my post.) -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 17:59:17QUOTE (nateiskewl @ Aug 19 2008, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Communistic leaders like to control everything strictly.
If I wanted to control everything, why would i even bother to release the insert or make it easy to customize your own colors.
I'm just trying to preserve the authenticity of my work. I'm just being an artist...and you're calling me a communist
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 18:01:11QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 19 2008, 07:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I just found more info about the sticky tack. Apparently the original is called Blu Tack.
Hope this helps people find similar substitutes
yeap BLuestack i can get that
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 18:11:40QUOTE (nateiskewl @ Aug 19 2008, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Communistic leaders like to control everything strictly.
At least Kam is not keeping the insert private and selling it only in pens like Mr. LSC. Kam just wants to see his work used the way it was intended. Nothing wrong with that. I find it to be disrespctful to use such a nice insert in something cheap like a bic crystal, but people can do what they want. -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 18:20:12QUOTE (pholord @ Aug 19 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>At least Kam is not keeping the insert private and selling it only in pens like Mr. LSC. Kam just wants to see his work used the way it was intended. Nothing wrong with that. I find it to be disrespctful to use such a nice insert in something cheap like a bic crystal, but people can do what they want.
That's true. But this probably the only insert ever released that the creator only wanted to be used for one specific pen. Which is a pretty out of the norm. It's basically, if you want to use the insert, you've gotta make an IMX.
Not everyone can make an IMX. I would, but I don't have the parts. Although I did make my own similar rvsp mod that I did want to use the insert for... :P -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 18:47:07
Can anyone think of a better sub for the IRT parts besides g2 grip and signo tip? The weight is still towards the back like a normal MX.
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 19:03:40QUOTE (Trogz @ Aug 19 2008, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Can anyone think of a better sub for the IRT parts besides g2 grip and signo tip? The weight is still towards the back like a normal MX.
Why would you want to sub something so important like the main pen for a mod? XD
That's just...wrong
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 19:53:13QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 19 2008, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why would you want to sub something so important like the main pen for a mod? XD
That's just...wrong
D: None of my local stores carry Impact RT's. They have almost every other Uni-ball pen though.
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 20:23:23
wow Kam very impressive mod you got there, I got a screw in the back cap of my pen and some boults for the weight
it works fine. And this is an uber pro tutorial, couldn't be better than this. Ã sure hope i can get my hands on an Impact MX I would love too spin one. -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 20:24:18
Have you tried a third HGG tip in the front Trogz?
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 20:31:27QUOTE (Outlander @ Aug 19 2008, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Have you tried a third HGG tip in the front Trogz?
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 23:38:43
where can i find IRT's in america?
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Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 01:14:56QUOTE (...pankake... @ Aug 19 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>where can i find IRT's in america?
Staples, Office Depot, and I think Walmart might have them too?
But they are not as common as say RSVPs. You might need to check out a few stores (or call them to see if they have)
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Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 02:33:53
Just wanted to post my opinion on this mod.
1st off very professional tutorial, it is very thorough and doesn't leave many questions. Only thing I don't like is how it gets a little jumbled in between the text and pictures. I also really like the use of screws and washers to that of tips. They are relatively accessible by most everyone and cost much less than that of a foreign pen that is hard to obtain. I have yet to try this pen, but i look forward to making one. I also look forward to when you release the insert again, especially in the .psd format. That's really kind of you, and i can't wait to mess with the colors when i make mine.
So to sum it up, Thank you Kam for putting all this hard work into this tutorial and the insert for a very nice pen that is a step up in momentum from the mx. -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 03:48:39
thanks kam i found some.
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Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 04:39:47QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 19 2008, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Staples, Office Depot, and I think Walmart might have them too?
But they are not as common as say RSVPs. You might need to check out a few stores (or call them to see if they have)
i found some IRTs at Ralphs for $2.69 single packs -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 06:35:58
the best price I found was Office Max max at 5 for $9.99
secound was staples at 3 for $8 -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 07:22:50
The PSD file is back up. Check the links on the first two posts.
I was gonna upload normal PNG files, but photobucket is down atm. I guess I'll do that tomorrow. -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 08:22:46
wow it's look amazing maybe it was sent by ghost"nuclear launch detected!!!"because it's is explosive
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Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 09:13:48
Don't mean to keep bumping this topic, but photobucket finally went back up, so I uploaded the PNG files (for those who don't have Photoshop). Be sure to read the copyright file first. thx ^^
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Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 23:34:20
hot glue gun and glue reloads-$14
screws-$1
washers-$1
sticky tac-$1.98
super glue-$2.99
rsvp 2 pack-$1.29
impact rts 5 pack-$9.99
new x-acto knife because I broke the last blade the day before the tut came out
-$12
checking every 3 hours for hggs to come in the mail-priceless
for everything else there's MasterCard -
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 00:22:21QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 20 2008, 05:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Don't mean to keep bumping this topic, but photobucket finally went back up, so I uploaded the PNG files (for those who don't have Photoshop). Be sure to read the copyright file first. thx ^^
why did u say not to use the insert in a different mod? its a really nice insert and wouldnt mind having one in an mx. -
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 03:17:36
Just wondering...why is the title of this topic bold?
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Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 03:20:56QUOTE (Fripâ„¢ @ Aug 20 2008, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just wondering...why is the title of this topic bold?
He wanted to make on impact in this section
perhaps all tutorials should be in bold as to seperate them from other threads
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Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 03:24:01
I put it bold because this is an important thread.
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Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 03:27:40QUOTE (Zombo @ Aug 20 2008, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I put it bold because this is an important thread.
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It's a mod like any other mod...if this is stickied...what's with the ZT, Mx^2, MP Mx, etc? -
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 03:36:40QUOTE (Fripâ„¢ @ Aug 20 2008, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's a mod like any other mod...if this is stickied...what's with the ZT, Mx^2, MP Mx, etc?
this getting off-topic, but im not a pen expert, i bolded this because i know its a major mod. other moderators will have to bold the threads they see fit, as I have instructed them.
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Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 05:30:35QUOTE (Dynamik @ Aug 20 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>why did u say not to use the insert in a different mod? its a really nice insert and wouldnt mind having one in an mx.
Hmm...the insert is made for the Impact MX, and therefore using it on other pens is not optimal.
Just think of it this way...I did not release the insert....I released a mod, that came with a bonus insert. The insert is part of the mod, just like other parts of it.
If I had made it generic, I would have released it as a stand alone insert.
We've already had enough discussion about this on this and other threads, so let's stop it. I already stated my wishes and reasoning. Can I keep track of all the people who will still use it on other pens? No. But you'll be disrespecting my wishes and if I find out, you'll be frowned upon. If you go around selling other pens with this insert, however, you'll be struck by lightning
That's it...I said enough. Let's keep this topic for questions regarding the mod itself...thanksQUOTE (Zombo @ Aug 20 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I put it bold because this is an important thread.
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Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 05:50:53
i doubt anyone will be frowned upon
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Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 06:02:15QUOTE (Dynamik @ Aug 20 2008, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i doubt anyone will be frowned upon
And I doubt that comment was necessary
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Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 07:38:07
I don't know Kam.
It's a nice insert. But I don't feel like it would fit any other mods. (Even if it didn't have the Impact MX on the front)
I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal about this.
It's your insert, you can make the rules about what should happen with it.
If they want a nice insert to use in another pen mod, they can spend countless hours making one themselves.
Congrats on an amazing mod.
An amazing insert.
An amazing tutorial.
And one satisfied customer. (I've always wanted to say that)
I'm making this as soon as my HGG's come in the mail. -
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 15:10:01
EDIT : Ok guys, the message has been understood i think so I erase the previous message.
Sorry Kam -
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 15:18:04
Thats not cool man. first of all, Kam doesnt care if you make it or not. he didnt make it a national event. It just happendt o come out like that due to the hype of penspinners in UPSB. Get your facts straight.
2. HOW IS IT ANNOYING IF HE DIDNT EVEN WANT IT TO BLOW UP LIKE THIS? he just wanted to make a pen for him to spin. if you dont appreciate the fact he released it, either GTFO or dont make the mod. Seriously, how old are you?
3. Why post? are you trying to get banned? Thats not fair to kam. So what you dont live in US. You cant just infringe the copyright like that! You could be sued for as much as Kam wants to sue you for. HE COULD MAKE YOU GO INTO WELFARE. THINK ABOUT IT.
geez.
I would erase this all, but then it would be spam...so
REASON FOR EDIT : Defend Kam's rights. -
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 15:33:51
Forget about all the court stuff , why can't you just respect his request not having his Insert, which he worked hard on making, modified?
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Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 15:41:01
Wow, you guys realy piss me off! Finally Kam gave us his uber sexy inlay even in psd file and all you guys have nothing better to do than whine and brake the copyright! all guys who broke the copyright should get banned!
This thanklessness makes me sad. I can imagine how annoyed Kam is. -
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 16:34:34
Ok guys...I got many PMs about this, and posts are all over the place, so I'll make a final say about this here. I hope everyone will be happy with this (well, everyone except me).
before I say this...I just want you to know that I am very disappointed on those that disrespected my wishes to preserve the integrity of my work. BUT...I see this is causing a lot of problems for the moderators, and may even cause many conflicts in the community, so I will take a step back and compromise. This is certainly not what I was looking for, but you guys leave me no choice.
HERE ARE THE CHANGES:
1. The insert can be used for other mods, even though the COG will not match and I will laugh at you behind your back (just kidding about the 2nd part)
2. If you use the Kutout insert on another mod, please REMOVE the Impact MX text so you are not deceiving people. I will provide a new version of the PSD with the text on a separate layer. DO not manually remove it yourself because it will be ugly.
3. You can add your own text as long as it's not promoting other entities. For example, you can put your name there, but not 'Pendolsa' or 'Penwish'.
4. You still can NOT use this insert for profit. This remains for personal and educational use.
that's all I can think of for now.
@Picool: I was never going to ban everyone. I just said that because you kept reposting the links after I edited your post twice and asked you not to repost. It seems you only respond to threats, so I had no choice but to say that. Please DO NOT repost your links. I will provide a clean version of the inserts to keep the good quality of the design. Can you at least respect this and wait a little bit?
Finally, I am sorry to say this to those who heard about this before, but I have lost my motivation to work on the 2nd release of the Impact MX (which had plans for a brand new insert). If you heard me mentioning this, please don't wait for it. It may never come out. -
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 18:43:42
Very sorry for the reaction of some member of FPSB to your tutorial and your insert
to Kam and UPSB member: please don't blame FPSB, only a few person was not ok with what Kam say about the insert ... they just not realize what you made for the Penspinning and what Kam can feel.
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Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 19:11:50
Oh such horror. Simple wishes cannot be obeyed and chaos breaks loose between the boards. People express opinions making them reflect the community as a whole. Always fighting between boards, never from the inside. I really don't think you should have backed out Kam, if people can't understand that you want them to use the insert in other pens then they'll have to live with that and perhaps realize for what reason in some distant future, but they should still obey your wishes right now when it comes to something you have created.
...aaaaanyway, can't get any Impact RT's here but as soon as they arrive I'll try this out. I hope I'll really like it, but it might be a tad too heavy. -
Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 01:02:47
GOOD KAM,GOOD PEN
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Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 05:36:17
Quoted from another topic...
QUOTE (Xero @ Aug 21 2008, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Dear Kam...
Spoiler:
Original Insert Design by Kam.
First offense...without the insert, that is not even a mod, so you already failed #1, then, you did not wait for me to release a cleaned up version of the PSD...that's two offenses against my wishes.
I've made a compromise for the sake of the community, but even with the simpler terms, you still cannot follow them?
Well, I wont' even bother cleaning up the insert anymore. I was 80% done when I saw you trying to piss me off.
So there you have it...do what you guys wish...stick the insert in your *** if you want...I just don't care anymore.
I'm done with this conversation. This topic remains open for questions or comments about the MOD and TUTORIAL ONLY.
PS: The members of FPSB that first offended me have PMed and apologized for their actions. I did not intend for this to turn into a fight between boards. I have nothing against their community and know there are some really cool pen spinners there. -
Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 06:13:14
hey kam, i have the question about the washers, why did you think to use these in PEN modding? o.o just kinda wierd.
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Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 07:33:23
*sigh* this makes me very sad
kam, i would say to you that the actions and comments of individuals don't reflect the community, but there's so many now that that just doesn't work anymore. I'm very sorry for any stress or trouble all of this has caused you, and I thank you very much for releasing this amazing mod and wonderful insert.
*resigh*
ryazaku, what made anyone decide to use tape, glue, or toothpicks in PEN modding? It really makes no sense to look down upon using alternate parts for this pen, at all, it's rediculous. Pens are made from PARTS, by MACHINES!!! Who the hell ever said we have to take other pen parts to make our pens? That's completely rediculous.
EDIT: I don't mean to attack you ryazaku, all you said was that it was weird. But so many other people are looking down upon it, even calling it illigitimate and cheap, and it pisses me off. -
Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 09:05:45
Aw man.. no clean up version of insert? That's kinda sad... Nevertheless, i'll use the insert only on the IMX.
Thanks for releasing it on PDF file. I have a question (sorry, not really that good at computers).
Can someone tell me the step by step procedure to printing out the insert in the correct size?
I tried to change it to 8.8 x 3.81cm but when i printed it out, it came out badly.
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Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 11:45:29QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Aug 22 2008, 05:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Aw man.. no clean up version of insert? That's kinda sad... Nevertheless, i'll use the insert only on the IMX.
Thanks for releasing it on PDF file. I have a question (sorry, not really that good at computers).
Can someone tell me the step by step procedure to printing out the insert in the correct size?
I tried to change it to 8.8 x 3.81cm but when i printed it out, it came out badly.
thanks!
If you print the file at 150 dpi without resizing, the insert will come out exactly the size it needs to be. If you have it open in photoshop, don't do any resizing and print it. -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 05:23:23QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Aug 22 2008, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Aw man.. no clean up version of insert? That's kinda sad... Nevertheless, i'll use the insert only on the IMX.
Thanks for releasing it on PDF file. I have a question (sorry, not really that good at computers).
Can someone tell me the step by step procedure to printing out the insert in the correct size?
I tried to change it to 8.8 x 3.81cm but when i printed it out, it came out badly.
thanks!
Because the insert has extra white space around it due to the weird (I mean...innovative ) shape, you need to print it at 150dpi, or 9.91 x 4.5 cm.
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Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 08:34:25QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 23 2008, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Because the insert has extra white space around it due to the weird (I mean...innovative ) shape, you need to print it at 150dpi, or 9.91 x 4.5 cm.
hope that helps
does that mean i can just print it out directly from the website itself? Or do i need to save the picture then make the adjustments on a seperate program like microsoft word?
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 04:34:57
Kam, when I'm gluing the HGG grip onto the screw, should I glue the side where it comes together? (Like you put mustard and ketchup on top of a hotdog if you catch my drift) cause I'm having a little trouble keeping it fully stuck, and I just don't want to go for it, and waste one of my grips if it comes out looking terrible.
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 06:09:57
no, i don't think it's like where u would put ketchup and mustard...lol. That area is the exposed area of the screw where the grip won't touch.
What's the best way to illustrate this...hmmm
Imagine you are holding a cup of water on a table, but instead of holding the cup in the middle, you hold at the very bottom, so that your hand is touching the table.
The hand is the HGG grip folded, the cup is the pointy area of the screw, and the table can act as the head of the screw for this purpose.
With that in mind...you basically put glue on the palm of your hand, and at the edge of your hand. so that your hand is stuck to cup and the table at the same time.
Does that make any sense?
Note: this is just an metaphor. DO NOT actually think this is part of the tutorial and glue your hand to a table XD -
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 06:24:51QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 23 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>no, i don't think it's like where u would put ketchup and mustard...lol. That area is the exposed area of the screw where the grip won't touch.
What's the best way to illustrate this...hmmm
Imagine you are holding a cup of water on a table, but instead of holding the cup in the middle, you hold at the very bottom, so that your hand is touching the table.
The hand is the HGG grip folded, the cup is the pointy area of the screw, and the table can act as the head of the screw for this purpose.
With that in mind...you basically put glue on the palm of your hand, and at the edge of your hand. so that your hand is stuck to cup and the table at the same time.
Does that make any sense?
Note: this is just an metaphor. DO NOT actually think this is part of the tutorial and glue your hand to a table XD
Sanks, that makes perfect sense
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 16:08:46
Great Mod Kam. I'll love to try it out in the near future. Funny thing though once before I have used the Uniball Gel Impact RT pen before but made a sort of mx w/ it but i used a random grip on a pen that i found and the grip looked almost exactly like the tip and grip of your Impact MX.
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 21:40:40
Can I replace the hot glue for the IRT tip with any other glue?
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 22:04:05
Sure, but other glues such as super glue will make the rsvp brittle.
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 23:14:52
just use more stickytak
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 23:36:00
I'm using the same washers and screw that Kam used, but I'm having trouble with getting more than 2 washers on flat (the thread of the screw is catching on the washers). Can someone help me?
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Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 08:05:39QUOTE (komas @ Aug 24 2008, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm using the same washers and screw that Kam used, but I'm having trouble with getting more than 2 washers on flat (the thread of the screw is catching on the washers). Can someone help me?
Because not all of the screws are manufactured exactly the same, some of them will be tigther on the washers than others. If that happens, you have two options: 1) try a new screw (remember to put one washer at a time), or 2) sand the threads of the screw a bit (then paint it black with a permanent marker) -
Date: Tue, Aug 26 2008 22:50:22
Just got the impact pens to make one. Spins great but id rather use another impact tip in the fron instead of the two hgg tips
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Date: Tue, Aug 26 2008 23:25:41
i subbed the back with an hgg grip for now, but at first i tried as much as i could to get used to their heavyness, but i couldnt , cuz now my right hand hurts..
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Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 18:58:46
Single pack Impact RT @ Longs
$3.50 
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Date: Thu, Aug 28 2008 17:25:07
does anyone know what pens' grips are used as subs for Impact? like those yellow and red ones TEK uses. thanks.
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Date: Sun, Aug 31 2008 04:17:14QUOTE (dorian_toy @ Aug 27 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Single pack Impact RT @ Longs
$3.50
dude... $3.50 for a pen? wtf?! ripped off IMO.
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Date: Sun, Aug 31 2008 04:17:53
You really think the pen costs too much to make?
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Date: Sun, Aug 31 2008 04:27:38QUOTE (Ramen @ Aug 30 2008, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>dude... $3.50 for a pen? wtf?! ripped off IMO.
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dude a dr grip costs 7 bucks for one. Some fancy fountain pens are like 30 bucks, they keep them in display cases at the store. -
Date: Sun, Aug 31 2008 05:17:55QUOTE (dorian_toy @ Aug 27 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Single pack Impact RT @ Longs
$3.50
$3.50 seems a bit high. I've been to several stores...the normal price range is betwwen $2.50~3.00. And by normal price range I mean the price you see in stores like Staples, Office Depot, walmart, etc.
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Date: Sun, Aug 31 2008 05:21:20QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 30 2008, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>$3.50 seems a bit high. I've been to several stores...the normal price range is betwwen $2.50~3.00. And by normal price range I mean the price you see in stores like Staples, Office Depot, walmart, etc.
I'm sure you can find cheaper if you buy in bulk
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Date: Sun, Aug 31 2008 06:06:13
I got my IRT for $2 in a single pack at Rite Aid. Which is better than most Bulk packages too.
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Date: Sun, Aug 31 2008 06:09:45
I appreciate the post delete and no PM to tell me why. Thanks.
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Date: Sun, Aug 31 2008 07:17:45
You can think what you want...I wasn't the one who deleted the post...I only ignored it because it was uncalled for. I already said I don't care what you guys do anymore...and asked to keep the topic for questions about the tutorial or mod only.
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Date: Wed, Sep 3 2008 23:07:57
Kam, is it alright if i request someone to alter a specific color on you Impact MX insert in the Insert thread? i wont be altering the text or anything, just one color to another. from what i can tell, it does not violate your terms and conditions but i really dont want to offend anybody or trash your work in any way. thanks.
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Date: Thu, Sep 4 2008 01:11:32QUOTE (sailorboy24 @ Sep 3 2008, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Kam, is it alright if i request someone to alter a specific color on you Impact MX insert in the Insert thread? i wont be altering the text or anything, just one color to another. from what i can tell, it does not violate your terms and conditions but i really dont want to offend anybody or trash your work in any way. thanks.
Yeah...changing colors is not only allowed, it's also encouraged. That's why I released the PSD file with the different colored layers. You can make your own colors as well. -
Date: Thu, Sep 4 2008 01:32:51
looks ok^^
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Date: Thu, Sep 4 2008 03:29:32QUOTE (Kam @ Sep 3 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yeah...changing colors is not only allowed, it's also encouraged. That's why I released the PSD file with the different colored layers. You can make your own colors as well.
ok sweet. thank you. just wanted to make sure. btw thanks for releasing that insert. its awesome. and completely unique. great job on the mod as well. -
Date: Fri, Sep 5 2008 20:56:40
Tutorial updated to address some flaws on the mod (I know...it's hard to imagine this mod is not perfect XD...j/k
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If you find any flaws (or solutions to flaw) on your own, please feel free to post them. Also, if you find good part substitutions, I'm sure the community would appreciate knowing about them.
Here's the changes for those who are too lazy to go to the initial post. This was added to the end of the tutorial.
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Date: Fri, Sep 5 2008 21:56:24
yea i'll be sure to take these adjustments into my own making of you're pen , thx
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Date: Sat, Sep 6 2008 02:47:02QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Sep 5 2008, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Kam swims?! cool...
Lol j/k..
Completely irrelevant, dont spam.
on topic, So does water get into the body through the hole where the ink pokes through the backcap? If it does, wouldnt it be easy to just apply glue to that area before putting the inktube through? This would make it waterproof even without the cap yes? -
Date: Sat, Sep 6 2008 05:55:46
what type of glue?
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Date: Sat, Sep 6 2008 08:01:32QUOTE (pholord @ Sep 5 2008, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Completely irrelevant, dont spam.
on topic, So does water get into the body through the hole where the ink pokes through the backcap? If it does, wouldnt it be easy to just apply glue to that area before putting the inktube through? This would make it waterproof even without the cap yes?
Already discussed this with Kam at the mall. He says that if you seal up the pen completely, eventually it will no longer be able to write.QUOTE (sailorboy24 @ Sep 5 2008, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what type of glue?
I would think hot glue.
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Date: Sat, Sep 6 2008 17:00:33
You glue the inktube to back cap to seal it, right? So the inktube will be stuck to the backcap? Then just replace the back cap as well....
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Date: Sat, Sep 6 2008 20:44:07QUOTE (iamk34n3 @ Sep 6 2008, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Already discussed this with Kam at the mall. He says that if you seal up the pen completely, eventually it will no longer be able to write.
Yeah....what happens is that there needs to air pressure on the back of the ink tube, or the ink will not come out. If you seal the pen completely, then pen still writes for a while, but then the ink that goes out makes the inner pressure of the pen be less than the external pressure.
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Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 04:31:16
Hey guys,
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Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 05:50:36QUOTE (Ogarathe @ Sep 6 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hey guys,
I was just wondering if Uni-ball Gel Impact was the same as the Uni-Ball Gel Impact (I)RT?
I am pretty sure they are not the same...the grips on the Gel Impact seem shorter than the ones on Gel Impact RT. The IRT's grip is also slanted (thicker on one side) instead of flat.
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Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 06:20:01QUOTE (Kam @ Sep 7 2008, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I am pretty sure they are not the same...the grips on the Gel Impact seem shorter than the ones on Gel Impact RT. The IRT's grip is also slanted (thicker on one side) instead of flat.
I think there is also a Impact RT that's ballpoint instead of Gel that doesn't have a metal tip. Please look carefully when buying (or don't buy too many of them)
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Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 06:28:15
couldnt you seal it like he said, and then make a point to just open the backcap every once in awhile?
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Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 18:14:21QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Sep 6 2008, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>couldnt you seal it like he said, and then make a point to just open the backcap every once in awhile?
its a slight hassle but it doesnt seem that bad to me
Well, you could do that, but I don't think you should sacrifice usability of one feature to add another feature. Afterall, what do you do more? Write with a pen? or spin under water? XD
Also, even if the writing doesn't bother you, we still need to find a way to prevent water from getting in the cap. Because once water gets in there, it's pretty tough to get it out. I noticed after a few days that my Impact MX started getting rusty because of the washers, so I had to disassemble the cap to clean it.
I'm thinking that maybe if I keep the original HGG ring on the short grip section on the cap, its thickness might be better for isolating water, even if you press sideways against the cap. I have yet to test this out though. -
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 23:38:58
dang... nice work...
but don't you think this is a bit heavy...
oh well...
GREAT WORK KAM! -
Date: Thu, Sep 11 2008 18:09:25
ok well i made it and here goes:
1. my spacing between the IRT grip and rsvp grip isn't 1 ring space but slightly more, is this a problem ??
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Date: Thu, Sep 11 2008 20:03:09QUOTE (patte @ Sep 11 2008, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ok well i made it and here goes:
1. my spacing between the IRT grip and rsvp grip isn't 1 ring space but slightly more, is this a problem ??
2. where do i put the 6th washer ?
1. It's not really a big problem...is the final length very different from what's specified on the tutorial? If not, then don't worry...if it looks good then it's okay.
The cause for this is probably the rubber band ring. If it's too big, then the IRT tip won't go in as much as it should, so the pen gets longer, and then you have to leave a bigger space on the IRT grip. Try to get the exact ring size for the rubber band, then use some alcohol when putting it inside the IRT tip to make sure it goes as much as it can.
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Date: Fri, Sep 12 2008 19:03:16
okays well my pen is 3mm longer then normal so its ok for me
and i'll add the washer
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Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 01:46:07
Wow...Great job Kam! Looks really nice!
Just wondering, how does it spin? Lots of momentum? -
Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 02:24:42QUOTE (j147l @ Sep 21 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wow...Great job Kam! Looks really nice!
Just wondering, how does it spin? Lots of momentum?
read the first post entirely
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Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 21:23:53
LOL Kam sure loves his MX's
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Date: Tue, Sep 23 2008 18:31:23
How are you supposed to glue the small HGG section to the screw? The inner diameter of the HGG grip is bigger than the screw head diameter (7.2mm), so it's just attached at one end for me :/
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Date: Wed, Sep 24 2008 02:02:17QUOTE (Sfsr @ Sep 23 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How are you supposed to glue the small HGG section to the screw? The inner diameter of the HGG grip is bigger than the screw head diameter (7.2mm), so it's just attached at one end for me :/
edit: also, have you tested what happens to sticky tak under water?
Hmm...the screws I use fit just right. Are my numbers wrong? I'll have to double check when I get home.
The sticky tak that I use (from the Super Glue company) doesn't seem to be affected by water...the tips stay fine. I am not sure about other brands though.
But I have not done a throughough test (like leave it in water for days) since this was one of the latest changes to the Impact MX. The most I've kept it under water was a couple hours. -
Date: Wed, Sep 24 2008 07:08:49
What's the greatest height you've dropped the IMX from and how far do you think it can go?
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:04:01QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Sep 24 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What's the greatest height you've dropped the IMX from and how far do you think it can go?QUOTE (Kam @ Aug 17 2008, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think that's what we're trying to avoid? XD I've thrown my prototype up in the air (not sure how high...maybe 2.5~3m) a few times at a parking lot, the tip stayed put and nothing broke. I was tempted to go higher, but it was my only prototype.
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Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 08:47:42
err.Kam.What is the Diameter of the washer?
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Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 16:59:55
The washers have standardized sizes. Look for #6s (also known as 6 narrow).
This link gives you the sizes
http://www.engineersedge.com/plain_washers.htm
For 6 narrow, it's the following (I converted from inches to mm to make it easier)
inner diameter: 0.1560 in = 3.9624 millimeters
outer diameter: 0.3120 in = 7.9248 millimeters
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Date: Tue, Oct 7 2008 23:25:06
so i wrote an ass kissing letter to uniball and they are sending me some impacts (non rt) and signos... I didn't specify i wanted the RT impacts when i emailed them. So is there anyway i can use the regular impact to sub for impact rt?
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Date: Tue, Oct 7 2008 23:49:53
Probably not, the regular Impact has a different grip and tip than the Impact RT.
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Date: Tue, Oct 7 2008 23:52:52QUOTE (iamk34n3 @ Oct 7 2008, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Probably not, the regular Impact has a different grip and tip than the Impact RT.
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Date: Wed, Oct 8 2008 01:26:02
no, sry...it has to be Gel Impact RT...the other ones are either thinner, straight, or not long enough.
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Date: Fri, Oct 10 2008 02:22:21QUOTE (Kam @ Oct 7 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>no, sry...it has to be Gel Impact RT...the other ones are either thinner, straight, or not long enough.
I mean, you can try subbing it, but it wont look good.
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Date: Fri, Oct 10 2008 07:27:14
Impact RT is a retratable pen...that's what the RT stands for.
Like I said before, IT HAS TO BE a Uni-ball GEL IMPACT RT. None of the other ones have a suitable grip, and so far, I have not found a good sub for this grip.
If you have a sub, please post a picture and let me know, and I'll add to the tutorial... but so far, there's no subs for this grip (at least nothing that I think looks good). -
Date: Fri, Oct 10 2008 07:29:32QUOTE (Kam @ Oct 10 2008, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>None of the other ones have a suitable grip, and so far, I have not found a good sub for this grip.
If you have a sub, please post a picture and let me know, and I'll add to the tutorial... but so far, there's no subs for this grip (at least nothing that I think looks good).
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Date: Fri, Oct 10 2008 07:46:29
I have at least a few hundred stock pens, and there's not a single one with a grip that can sub the Gel Impact RT grip...so if there is a sub, it's not likely a US pen, or one that I have...so you will have to try it for yourself.
There are no good subs that I'm aware of, so just get the original pen, or use a sub at your own risk...chances are it won't look good.
Or...just look at this picture, compare the size of the grips, and figure out on your own if your grip can act as a sub or not.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk173/k...1_materials.png
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Date: Fri, Oct 10 2008 20:55:53QUOTE (Kam @ Oct 10 2008, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have at least a few hundred stock pens, and there's not a single one with a grip that can sub the Gel Impact RT grip...so if there is a sub, it's not likely a US pen, or one that I have...so you will have to try it for yourself.
There are no good subs that I'm aware of, so just get the original pen, or use a sub at your own risk...chances are it won't look good.
Or...just look at this picture, compare the size of the grips, and figure out on your own if your grip can act as a sub or not.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk173/k...1_materials.png
I'm tired of going through each pen in my collection and comparing grips.
it doesnt really look so hot but is rather colorful: inside-out profile/anyball grips. there are about the same size as imapcts but are much squishier and flexible. someone else suggested this originally in soyp but i forgot so credits to them . ive used this on my impact and doesnt look too bad to be honest. of course those ultra-rare, discontinued silver ones are the best for sure...
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Date: Sun, Oct 12 2008 17:46:43
@sailorboy24: cool. you got a picture?
And i think Xero's got a point there. You could use the Signo knock grip and cut it to the correct length but im not sure. I've never tried it. Here's a picture of the signo knock.
http://penwish.com/images/signoret.jpg
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Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 19:11:02
The MSXA im pretty sure was made by Joakim of Denmark.
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Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 23:52:59
oh...can someone confirm this to me? or send me a link?
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Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 23:57:58QUOTE (Kam @ Oct 10 2008, 02:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Impact RT is a retratable pen...that's what the RT stands for.
Like I said before, IT HAS TO BE a Uni-ball GEL IMPACT RT. None of the other ones have a suitable grip, and so far, I have not found a good sub for this grip.
If you have a sub, please post a picture and let me know, and I'll add to the tutorial... but so far, there's no subs for this grip (at least nothing that I think looks good).
iMatt found a sub on this Random SRX pen he said the grip is so tight you dont have to glue the Impact Tip tho the HGG tip -
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 04:55:45
theres the sub i used for these ones...ill post it later tho lol
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a12/jim66...rrent=PENZZ.png -
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 20:07:18
@Mr. Squeekers...that sounds like it would be too tight and have a depression near the front of the grip, which wouldn't look good IMO. But if he can take a picture of an Impact MX made with that grip, I'd love to see it.
anyways...update minor things in the tutorial: credits for MSXA has been fixed. I also added what parts of each pen is used for the mod.
I've been looking at mod tutorials recently and noticed that it's really helpful to know what parts are being used so you can pick your colors before you trade ^^ -
Date: Mon, Nov 17 2008 20:19:32
Well someone told me a while ago.
And i recall penwish having it said on his site, if you check the MSXA. -
Date: Sun, Nov 23 2008 01:51:19
ugghhhh....... don't wanna go to buy washers from home depot. Made the rest of the pen already so i guess i have to.
btw... at staples i found something called poster putty adhesive (or something like that) -
Date: Sun, Nov 23 2008 11:02:19
wow! great mod! i have all the pens exept for the gelli ones
can i still make it? and how exactly do you print at 150dpi and how do i know what size? -
Date: Wed, Nov 26 2008 02:10:06
this mod is the best mod ever
but it is pretty exspensive -
Date: Fri, Nov 28 2008 19:16:51QUOTE (Ninja GF @ Nov 23 2008, 03:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>wow! great mod! i have all the pens exept for the gelli ones can i still make it? and how exactly do you print at 150dpi and how do i know what size?
The Hybrid Gel Grips can be purchased at Jetpens or traded with europeans and some countries in Asia (if I'm not mistaken)
Regarding printing inserts, please search the Pen Modifications forum. This is a very common question which I'm sure has been answered before.QUOTE (spinnerboy01 @ Nov 25 2008, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>this mod is the best mod ever
but it is pretty expensive
I think it's more a matter of a lot of work than money. The word "expensive" is also pretty subjective. Some people that are used to spending a lot of money for japanese mods would say this is fairly cheap in parts. Others who are used to mods that only use a couple pens would agree with you. That's why we put dollar amount ^^
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Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 14:09:17
Serieus nice mod kam
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Date: Mon, Dec 22 2008 22:48:34
Kam how do you get all these pens so easly if you live in the USA?
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Date: Mon, Dec 22 2008 23:11:13
You trade with people or buy them off sites like penwish.com or jetpens.com
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Date: Wed, Jan 21 2009 22:14:29
Just a question... Is there a sub for the Hot Glue? I don't have any and don't want to spend money on that alone...
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Date: Thu, Jan 22 2009 00:45:56
You could get away with using sticky tak or super glue.
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Date: Thu, Jan 22 2009 01:00:19QUOTE (iamk34n3 @ Jan 21 2009, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You could get away with using sticky tak or super glue.
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Date: Thu, Jan 22 2009 22:24:36
hey kam, guick question. is there s sub for the hgg grip that can be found in the U.S
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Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 00:15:00
well, since most of the HGG grip is either under the IRT grip, or inside the cap cut into two pieces, you can probably sub it with RSVP grips. It will take more pens because RSVP Grips are shorter, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
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Date: Fri, Feb 20 2009 00:28:57
I don't think so.
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Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 11:03:16QUOTE (iamk34n3 @ Jan 21 2009, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You could get away with using sticky tak or super glue.
So it isn't required to use hot glue to connect the hgg tips with the IRT tip?
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Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 13:39:58
cool mod...
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Date: Mon, Mar 16 2009 23:27:03
idk, i didn't find this that expensive, i just bought 2 tip/grip (hgg) sets from penwish, and had all the rest, where i live, rsvps are like 5 for 2.20, and Impact RT's are not too bad, just need to be lucky enough to find a place that doesn't sell them in packs
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Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 15:38:53
just made a look-alike of this mod, because I love the look! As for cost, I would say it's a trade-off. Sure, it's expensive, but it's a lot less expensive than making a pen that was the same weight/size with other parts.
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Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 22:37:46QUOTE (Asterisk* @ Feb 21 2009, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So it isn't required to use hot glue to connect the hgg tips with the IRT tip?
If so, why was hot glue used instead of super glue?
The reason for using hot glue isntead of super glue is that 1) hot glue has more contact area. It fill up the tip pretty well, where superglue will only touch the tip in a smaller area. 2) superglue will make the rubberband rigid, which will reduce the pen's ability to absorb impact. It may still work, but I do suggest hot glue instead. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 00:50:22
Just a quick question.
Are these subs for HGGs fine? -Pilot G2 for grip, Zebra F-301 for tips
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Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 02:52:50
Neither of those will work for subs. F-301 tips are almost 3 times as heavy as HGG tips, and G2 Grips probably won't work as subs.
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Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 03:33:14
The g2 grip doesn't fit in the cap. The zebra tip could work though, just you would need to adjust the weight and only use one tip instead of two.
Hey Kam, I made a cap the other day, and when I take it off the body, the piece of grip+screw+washer comes out with the body. Also, if I try to glue the little piece to the inside of the cap, it mists up into a white fog. Do you have a solution? -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 04:53:03QUOTE (imxmachine @ Apr 1 2009, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The g2 grip doesn't fit in the cap. The zebra tip could work though, just you would need to adjust the weight and only use one tip instead of two.
Hey Kam, I made a cap the other day, and when I take it off the body, the piece of grip+screw+washer comes out with the body. Also, if I try to glue the little piece to the inside of the cap, it mists up into a white fog. Do you have a solution?
You can try stretching or ungluing the folded part of the bigger HGG section. That should create more friction inside the cap to keep it there.
But it could also be that your smaller section is too long and you're getting too much friction with the back cap that way. try cutting it shorter so it has enough room/grip to hold the cap securely, but not too much to take the entire piece out. -
Date: Fri, Apr 3 2009 04:37:50QUOTE (Kam @ Apr 1 2009, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You can try stretching or ungluing the folded part of the bigger HGG section. That should create more friction inside the cap to keep it there.
But it could also be that your smaller section is too long and you're getting too much friction with the back cap that way. try cutting it shorter so it has enough room/grip to hold the cap securely, but not too much to take the entire piece out.
I actually can't. I can only get a larger type of #6 washer, while you use a smaller one, and if I were to cut the little piece smaller, the screw would stop the whole body from moving farther into the cap. Then, the mod will look weird, and I won't have enough friction to keep the cap on the body while spinning. -
Date: Fri, Apr 10 2009 17:15:03
I found a way (But other people probably also have) to make this w/o a screw and washers. If you stick an f-301 tip in the cap, then 1 or 2 hgg tips under that, then cover it with an rsvp grip, you get a cap with about the same weight.
Costs around 5$ more though. >_> -
Date: Fri, Apr 10 2009 18:43:21QUOTE (En-Nova @ Apr 10 2009, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I found a way (But other people probably also have) to make this w/o a screw and washers. If you stick an f-301 tip in the cap, then 1 or 2 hgg tips under that, then cover it with an rsvp grip, you get a cap with about the same weight.
Costs around 5$ more though. >_>
Thanks for sharing that.
I think for some people that might be worth trying. But for US spinners, HGGs probably cost $2.50 or more to trade/buy online. And f-301 is probably another $2? So a total of $7...washers and screw is not even $1 It all depends if you want to spend the money, or your time ^^
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Date: Fri, Apr 10 2009 20:22:12
Yeah, I had gone out and bought a screw and 6 washers for 78 cents, then I found out it didn't fit in the cap. I didnt feel like buying more, so I found some stuff at home. =P
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Date: Sun, Apr 19 2009 11:41:36
ok umm i want to clarify if the impact rt and the non-retractbe impact's tips are the same? =P
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Date: Sun, Apr 19 2009 18:40:28
not sure about the tip, but I know the grips are very different, so I would recommend getting the Impact RT.
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Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 21:35:10
can i replace the hgg with the hgg tip sub(not signo) and rsvp grips?
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Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 21:39:55QUOTE (iamnotluck @ Apr 25 2010, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>can i replace the hgg with the hgg tip sub(not signo) and rsvp grips?
yes, but hgg is best.
