UPSB v3
Serious Discussion / Weed
What are your opinions?
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 12:03:31
Are for or against it? Whats bad about it, whats good about it?
Im for legalization and decriminalization of marijuana in america. Weed can be unhealthy for your lungs, and the amount of tar in one joint is supposedly equivalent to four cigarettes. Weed also kills brain cells. Saying that one joint is equivalent to four cigarettes is saying alot, even though how many people smoke 40 joints a day from the time they were twelve? Also the new brain cells are produced every day so nothing is wrong with the occasional joint in my opinion. Weed has many medicinal uses, as a mild painkiller, anti-anxiety, anti-depressant, counter-acts the negative effects of chemo therapy(used to treat cancer), and often makes you pretty hungry(good in some cases, for treating aids patients for example) as well as a few others. My mother and father basically live off pharmaceutical medications. My mother was given many medecines during her first pregnancy(with my older sister) and almost died during child birth because of it. My mother lived but also adopted many health disorders. My father has mild to severe joint pain, and mild backpain. Medicinal marijuana would eliminate all of the medicine my father has to take, and more than half my mother had to take.
I might have a different perspective than others on the situation, but i would like to know your opinions. -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 21:22:37
FUCK NO!!!
Imagine how many people would smoke weed. And crime rates will insanely rise to armageddon .
If it is legalized, it should be only kept in medical facilities and only be used with a permission of series of doctors. -
Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 21:50:57
"The reported number of deaths linked to the use of drugs in the Netherlands, as a proportion of the entire population, is lower than the EU average."
from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands
okay, i'm not from usa, but i'm for it. let's face it, if you wanna smoke weed you will do it, legaly or not =/
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Date: Tue, Aug 19 2008 22:26:47
i think kids are more likely to smoke weed if its illegal cuz it makes even "cooler"
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Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 01:49:18
legalize that shit
"How would life be if the world smoked weed?
Guaranteed there'd be peace not greed,
See, it's hell,
Living in a cell,
Legalize the plant only time will tell." - Kottonmouth kings -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 02:03:44
Legalize pot and bring prohibition back, show me a pot head that beat the crap out of someone with their bong
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Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 02:55:36QUOTE (Cybrax @ Aug 19 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>FUCK NO!!!
Imagine how many people would smoke weed. And crime rates will insanely rise to armageddon .
If it is legalized, it should be only kept in medical facilities and only be used with a permission of series of doctors.
You fucking kidding me? Weed makes you calm and be peaceful dumb shit. They had medical weed in cali but it got busted in 06 by the federals. -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 03:02:54QUOTE (Cybrax @ Aug 19 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And crime rates will insanely rise to armageddon .
wrong drug. Do some research before you post next time. -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 03:08:19QUOTE (Kup Kake @ Aug 19 2008, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You fucking kidding me? Weed makes you calm and be peaceful dumb shit. They had medical weed in cali but it got busted in 06 by the federals.
You're tripping fool they still have medical marijuana in California. Its called getting your 215 license and it makes it legal for you to grow, possess, and smoke weed. I happen to know many people with their 215's and they live normal productive lives and are contributing members of society. Legalize that shit. -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 08:21:34
i said decriminalization aswell. meaning turning all "drug dealers" into businessmen. also meaning that you can purchase with healthcare in mind.
pay a few more bucks and get a card to smoke a joint . or smoke a joint and risk 20 years in prison.
marijuana isnt a narcotic.
edit: btw marijuana is legal statewise, but not fedaly so the feds RAID medicinal marijuana distributers and send them to jail. -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 09:12:07QUOTE (Coolatta @ Aug 20 2008, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>edit: btw marijuana is legal statewise, but not fedaly so the feds RAID medicinal marijuana distributers and send them to jail.
Yep yup.
I'm all for decriminalization, I believe in the medical and spiritual benefits. Ya'll know I know first hand. But I do not believe in complete legalization. Because like all drugs, legal or not, it can be potentially dangerous. -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 15:47:03QUOTE (UEDan @ Aug 20 2008, 04:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yep yup.
I'm all for decriminalization, I believe in the medical and spiritual benefits. Ya'll know I know first hand. But I do not believe in complete legalization. Because like all drugs, legal or not, it can be potentially dangerous.
even more so than alcohol?
i think marijuana should be treated the same as alcohol. age restrictions and all that jazz.
now im just curious how many of you guys actualy have/do smoke/smoked weed.
and @ zombo: some kids do smoke weed to be cool. and prance around "OMG IM SO FUCKED UPPP" but same with alcohol. some people like the attention. but i dont hang around/smoke with people like that. i smoke every once in a while to have fun not to be cool. legal or not it was put here on earth with the qualities it has for reasons. -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 16:15:30QUOTE (Zombo @ Aug 19 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i think kids are more likely to smoke weed if its illegal cuz it makes even "cooler"
i think that is a small minority of bad ass like little raisen XD -
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 02:05:29QUOTE (Coolatta @ Aug 20 2008, 08:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>even more so than alcohol?
i think marijuana should be treated the same as alcohol. age restrictions and all that jazz.
I know Alcohol is more dangerous, I know I know. I've been on the Pro-medicinal/decriminalization Marijuana, "pot is not bad for you" wagon for a while now.
I just dont think it should be legalized, the problem is that Reefer-Madness scare a few decades back. Now its such a popular drug and people use to make money. Now, if pot were to be legalized and were sold over the counter. Pot dealers will loose all of their business. To compensate they'll either find real jobs or sell harder drugs. then next thing you know its "LEGALIZE EXTACY!!" If it werent for Reefer-Madness it probably would have never been an illicit drug. -
Date: Thu, Aug 21 2008 20:54:12
Deaths from marijuana ever in the history of the world? 0.
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Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 09:09:10QUOTE (Lordbojo @ Aug 22 2008, 04:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Deaths from marijuana ever in the history of the world? 0.
Deaths from getting high on pot and doing retarded things? Too many to count
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Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 11:11:22QUOTE (Coolatta @ Aug 19 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Also the new brain cells are produced every day so nothing is wrong with the occasional joint in my opinion.
Brain Cells are the only ones that dont regenerate fucktard. -
Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 18:57:29QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 22 2008, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Deaths from getting high on pot and doing retarded things? Too many to count
Ohh people do that when they're NOT on pot!
If anything pot gets you a little lazy and you sit on the couch all day. And we all know the couch is a dangerous piece of furniture. -
Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 19:09:20QUOTE (Sidewinder @ Aug 22 2008, 04:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Brain Cells are the only ones that dont regenerate fucktard.
This is true. -
Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 22:46:27QUOTE (AwonW @ Aug 22 2008, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This is true.
From Wikipedia in the article about the human brain.
In fact, new neurons can grow within the mature adult brain; this process is known as neurogenesis. Regardless of neuron growth or death, brain function and capabilities can be learned and developed throughout life. -
Date: Fri, Aug 22 2008 23:04:41
Ive had many discussions about the whole "brain cell" thing. ive knocked my head against things and had to go to the hospital so many times. if brain cells didnt regenerate. how would i have been able to learn guitar if i split my head open 5+ times when i was little? or learn PSing.
also people who get fucked up and do realy stupid shit. is another drug.
cocain, xanex, meth, amphetamines. some people are violent by nature. but one or two people can give a drug a bad name even if that bad name is not deserved. put 100 people in a room. give each of them a six pack i guarantee many of them will get into a fight. and in another room with 100 people. give each a joint. see how the results differ. -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 01:11:01QUOTE (Coolatta @ Aug 23 2008, 07:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ive had many discussions about the whole "brain cell" thing. ive knocked my head against things and had to go to the hospital so many times. if brain cells didnt regenerate. how would i have been able to learn guitar if i split my head open 5+ times when i was little? or learn PSing.
also people who get fucked up and do realy stupid shit. is another drug.
cocain, xanex, meth, amphetamines. some people are violent by nature. but one or two people can give a drug a bad name even if that bad name is not deserved. put 100 people in a room. give each of them a six pack i guarantee many of them will get into a fight. and in another room with 100 people. give each a joint. see how the results differ.
That's not a fair test, the people with joints will be too stoned to do anything. -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 01:14:15
they may regenerate if you're a kid but adult brain cells do not.
so does that mean only kids should be allowed to smoke pot lulz -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 01:21:23QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 22 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That's not a fair test, the people with joints will be too stoned to do anything.
That's the fucking point.
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Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 01:50:59QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 22 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>the people with joints will be too stoned to do anything.
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Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 03:52:38QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 22 2008, 05:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Deaths from getting high on pot and doing retarded things? Too many to count
Wow you fucking retard, have you ever smoked weed? Do you know how the fuck it feels?
I didn't fucking think so, so go shove your "my mom said" comments up your ass. So many people have never even seen weed and think that it causes addiction and behavioral issues when it definitely does not. Weed does not cause addiction, cigarettes do, but cigarettes are legal and kill millions. Learn to smoke a joint and maybe you won't be so fucking closed minded. -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 03:57:23QUOTE (Lordbojo @ Aug 22 2008, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wow you fucking retard, have you ever smoked weed? Do you know how the fuck it feels?
I didn't fucking think so, so go shove your "my mom said" comments up your ass. So many people have never even seen weed and think that it causes addiction and behavioral issues when it definitely does not. Weed does not cause addiction, cigarettes do, but cigarettes are legal and kill millions. Learn to smoke a joint and maybe you won't be so fucking closed minded.
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Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 03:57:30QUOTE (Lordbojo @ Aug 22 2008, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wow you fucking retard, have you ever smoked weed? Do you know how the fuck it feels?
I didn't fucking think so, so go shove your "my mom said" comments up your ass. So many people have never even seen weed and think that it causes addiction and behavioral issues when it definitely does not. Weed does not cause addiction, cigarettes do, but cigarettes are legal and kill millions. Learn to smoke a joint and maybe you won't be so fucking closed minded.
QFT could not say it better my self! -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 04:26:57QUOTE (Coolatta @ Aug 23 2008, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ive had many discussions about the whole "brain cell" thing. ive knocked my head against things and had to go to the hospital so many times. if brain cells didnt regenerate. how would i have been able to learn guitar if i split my head open 5+ times when i was little? or learn PSing.
Thats cause u didnt kill brains cells. u split ur head. fuck. -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 07:56:48QUOTE (Zombo @ Aug 23 2008, 03:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>they may regenerate if you're a kid but adult brain cells do not.
I think this article from wikipedia tells pretty clearly that what you say is not true. The adult brain do create new brain cells. -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 08:41:14QUOTE (Lordbojo @ Aug 23 2008, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wow you fucking retard, have you ever smoked weed? Do you know how the fuck it feels?
I didn't fucking think so, so go shove your "my mom said" comments up your ass. So many people have never even seen weed and think that it causes addiction and behavioral issues when it definitely does not. Weed does not cause addiction, cigarettes do, but cigarettes are legal and kill millions. Learn to smoke a joint and maybe you won't be so fucking closed minded.
No I haven't smoked weed before, so maybe my opinion on weed is biased.
Addicition varies from person to person, its the same with cigarettes. People with ill discipline and unaware of the dangers keep going back for the "high", or whatever you would like to call the pleasurable experience, increasing the dosage, and in doing so thats where the danger lies. Some are disciplined enough to treat it as a recreational thing though, thats fine. I mean, if you do weed and are able to post such a coherent post, obviously you dont abuse it like no tommorow.
Personal experience with weed should not be an overall indicator of the "safe-ness" of marijuanna, I believe the neutral statistics would paint a clearer picture. Of course marijuanna has its medical benefits, but the abuse of it would negate its positive benefits.
How's that for close-minded? -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 11:42:58QUOTE (Sidewinder @ Aug 22 2008, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thats cause u didnt kill brains cells. u split ur head. fuck.
if getting doublejumped off a bed into a radiator more than once when i was a child doesnt kill any brain cells im sure taking two hits of a joint would.QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 23 2008, 03:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No I haven't smoked weed before, so maybe my opinion on weed is biased.
Addicition varies from person to person, its the same with cigarettes. People with ill discipline and unaware of the dangers keep going back for the "high", or whatever you would like to call the pleasurable experience, increasing the dosage, and in doing so thats where the danger lies. Some are disciplined enough to treat it as a recreational thing though, thats fine. I mean, if you do weed and are able to post such a coherent post, obviously you dont abuse it like no tommorow.
Personal experience with weed should not be an overall indicator of the "safe-ness" of marijuanna, I believe the neutral statistics would paint a clearer picture. Of course marijuanna has its medical benefits, but the abuse of it would negate its positive benefits.
How's that for close-minded?
you just proved how close minded you actualy are. weed isnt habit forming. you can however be addicted mentaly. not physicaly. you wont go through withdrawls if you smoke weed all week and skip a day.
mental addictions dont mean much because people can get mentaly addicted to cream cheese. or somthing even more random.
THC(chemical in marijuana that gets you high) is not a narcotic.
want to ruin your life forever? try heroine. want to gain experience? smoke weed on more than one occasion.(took me 6 times to get "properly" high)
dont knock anything you dont know about
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its not the fact that the people who smoke weed will be too stoned to do anything. they will be laughing eating and falling asleep and joking around. more than likley that the drunks will be fighting and be too drunk to realize that they fight for no reason at all. proving my point even further -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 12:23:23QUOTE (UEDan @ Aug 22 2008, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If anything pot gets you a little lazy and you sit on the couch all day. And we all know the couch is a dangerous piece of furniture.
The couch is so very dangerous, it sucks in change and stuff and when you're high your senses aren't that sharp and you can easily get sucked in and never be found until someone needs some change. -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 15:38:27QUOTE (TheOnion @ Aug 23 2008, 03:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think this article from wikipedia tells pretty clearly that what you say is not true. The adult brain do create new brain cells.
maybe new researches have found breakthroughs, but i dont think it's in all regions of the brain, otherwise handicapped people should be able to recover over time but they never do. -
Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 21:14:13QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 23 2008, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No I haven't smoked weed before, so maybe my opinion on weed is biased.
Addicition varies from person to person, its the same with cigarettes. People with ill discipline and unaware of the dangers keep going back for the "high", or whatever you would like to call the pleasurable experience, increasing the dosage, and in doing so thats where the danger lies. Some are disciplined enough to treat it as a recreational thing though, thats fine. I mean, if you do weed and are able to post such a coherent post, obviously you dont abuse it like no tommorow.
Personal experience with weed should not be an overall indicator of the "safe-ness" of marijuanna, I believe the neutral statistics would paint a clearer picture. Of course marijuanna has its medical benefits, but the abuse of it would negate its positive benefits.
How's that for close-minded?
So little do you know about marijuana and yet you attempt to battle it.
Addiction to cigarettes is due to the downs it brings to the user when he/she is deprived of it. Weed has no downs. Weed is as simple as a pleasure from masturbation, you can stop masturbating, and it won't cause any harm. The reason that people go back to weed is because they love the "high", but in no way do they NEED the "high" to feel like a normal human being. Marijuana dosage does not vary the high as much or even as close to real drugs such as meth or cocaine. So don't think that if you smoke a pound of hash, you'll feel like you're flying. That shit doesn't happen, shrooms do that.
Even if weed is smoked to the pound everyday, the worst thing that could happen is minor paranoia which is basically nothing. When you say there's danger when increasing dosage, there really is none so quit bullshitting.
To be honest, you'll never respect marijuana until you actually try it, and until then you'll still think you're always right. So keep watching your movies like Half-Baked(which is a great fucking movie) and keep thinking that if you smoke weed you'll be as retarded as Dave Chappelle(he's actually pretty smart). I can't change your opinion on weed and you obviously can't change mine, but you're still the closed-minded one fighting a battle you know nothing about.
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Date: Sat, Aug 23 2008 21:19:50
from what I know, the health issues associated with weed is mostly because of smoking, not weed itself. it the weed is consumed in a different way, you eliminate most health problems.
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 00:55:49
VERY well said Lordbojo
QUOTE (Zombo @ Aug 23 2008, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>from what I know, the health issues associated with weed is mostly because of smoking, not weed itself. it the weed is consumed in a different way, you eliminate most health problems.
such as vaporizers. did you guys know you can make one out of a light bulb?
vaporizers heat up your bud enough to activate and extract the THC but nothing else. Its not smoke its vapor
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 01:35:03
Of course you won't die from overdosing on marijuanna, but it does do a certain damage to your body, especially certain individuals.
http://alcoholism.about.com/b/2003/11/02/m...s-accidents.htm
"A review of the literature suggests that the majority of cannabis users, who use the drug occasionally rather than on a daily basis, will not suffer any lasting physical or mental harm. Conversely, as with other ‘recreational’ drugs, there will be some who suffer adverse consequences from their use of cannabis. Some individuals who have psychotic thought tendencies might risk precipitating psychotic illness. Those who consume large doses of the drug on a regular basis are likely to have lower educational achievement and lower income, and may suffer physical damage to the airways. They also run a significant risk of becoming dependent upon continuing use of the drug. There is little evidence, however, that these adverse effects persist after drug use stops or that any direct cause and effect relationships are involved."
Source: Iversen, Leslie L., PhD, FRS, "Long-Term Effects of Exposure to Cannabis," Current Opinion in Pharmacology, Feb. 2005, Vol. 5, No. 1, p. 71.
For a balanced view, heres a link showing that marijuana is non-lethal, but that does not mean there are absolutely no NEGATIVE side effects.
http://www.jackherer.com/comparison.html
Although the majority of marijuana users might not experience any negative side-effects, there will ALWAYS be the minority that experiences negative side-effects, eg. those with pre-existing medical disorders.
Marijuana by itself is relatively harmless, it is the social cost from legalizing it thats the killer. It's known to be a "gateway" drug, after some people try marijuana and find it relatively harmless, they move on to harder drugs, thats where the problem lies.
Ok, assuming legalization takes place, who will regulate sales of marijuana, especially to minors? Where do they get the money to buy it, assuming that marijuana is a popular recreational drug? The problem with legalizing sales of marijuana to the public is that there are too many unknowns that can result from it; the probability that social problems will arise is too high to be discounted, so I say its best not to legalize it. -
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 02:07:24
I lol at your sources linking to harmful effects of marijuana, and I can link you to millions of sources saying cigarettes are harmful or inhaling smoke for that matter is harmful. Airway damage is obviously caused by smoke, and any smoke can cause that. Cannabis isn't only smoked as Zombo's already stated. As for the lower educational achievement and lower income, those two go hand in hand. Low IQ-> Low income-> Not scared to try drugs. Come on how could you use such a shitty source to prove a point?
Who will regulate sales of marijuana? Who the fuck regulates sale of cigarettes and alcohol? Exactly.
Where do people get the money? If weed is legal, the cost of weed will drop dramatically because the plant is not hard to grow it's just the cost of the middleman right now. Weed right now is $20 a gram it should drop to about $5.
There are no risks that are needed to be taken. If cigarettes some how made it legal in todays world then weed should be no different, because it's safer and healthier. -
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 02:33:43
Weed isnt a gate way drug. Just the people who smoke it are way too damn curious. im perfectly content with smoking weed and drinking beers every once and a while. but some people may wonder how cocain feels. so they try cocaine. the weed isnt causing voices in your head making the user try heroine. its irresponisble people who cant see the "line" between being a fucking retard and shooting heroine or smoking crack just to try it out and 6 months later is stealing your nephews VCR to buy crack while hes on vacation with the rest of his family(that happened to me when i was 7) and smoking marijuana.
dont you try to preach to me about addiction and link biased heavily opinionated articles and expect me to take you seriously. -
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 04:09:40
Hmmm.
Rather funny, because today I smoked for the first time in three months. (EXACTLY three months)
However I am slightly against it as well as all other drugs(call me a hippocrite), but only under certain circumstances. For example, my friend Megan is a hardcore alcoholic. She gets drunk every night. I only care for it when she does it too much, or at a party with a group of large people. It's hard to explain.
But I don't like the people who are into drugs and alcohol too much. People who do it about once every three or four weeks, and with one or two friends, are the people I enjoy being around
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 04:12:52QUOTE (TheOnion @ Aug 23 2008, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think this article from wikipedia tells pretty clearly that what you say is not true. The adult brain do create new brain cells.
Since when is info on Wikipedia reliable? -
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 04:59:40QUOTE (Lordbojo @ Aug 24 2008, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I lol at your sources linking to harmful effects of marijuana, and I can link you to millions of sources saying cigarettes are harmful or inhaling smoke for that matter is harmful. Airway damage is obviously caused by smoke, and any smoke can cause that. Cannabis isn't only smoked as Zombo's already stated. As for the lower educational achievement and lower income, those two go hand in hand. Low IQ-> Low income-> Not scared to try drugs. Come on how could you use such a shitty source to prove a point?
Who will regulate sales of marijuana? Who the fuck regulates sale of cigarettes and alcohol? Exactly.
Where do people get the money? If weed is legal, the cost of weed will drop dramatically because the plant is not hard to grow it's just the cost of the middleman right now. Weed right now is $20 a gram it should drop to about $5.
There are no risks that are needed to be taken. If cigarettes some how made it legal in todays world then weed should be no different, because it's safer and healthier.
Look, I believe I specifically stated taking marijuana has little or no negative side-effects, unless 1) you abuse it over a long period of time, which MAY result in 2)behavioural problems (depression), and 3) it might aggravate PRE-EXISTING psychotic disorders. There are other ways to take marijuana, just that smoking it results in possible health problems. The above problems can be derived from NOT smoking marijuana too.
Also, note that the source clearly states SOME, not EVERY fucking one who takes marijuana. For every 100 people that use marijuana responsibly and recreationally, there will always be someone who takes marijuana and experiences negative side effects, NONLETHAL though. You CANNOT discount this fact.
I agree that the legalization of alcohol and tobacco, more harmful products, presents a case of seemingly double standards. However, that should not be the reason for legalizing marijuana.QUOTE (Coolatta @ Aug 24 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Weed isnt a gate way drug. Just the people who smoke it are way too damn curious. im perfectly content with smoking weed and drinking beers every once and a while. but some people may wonder how cocain feels. so they try cocaine. the weed isnt causing voices in your head making the user try heroine. its irresponisble people who cant see the "line" between being a fucking retard and shooting heroine or smoking crack just to try it out and 6 months later is stealing your nephews VCR to buy crack while hes on vacation with the rest of his family(that happened to me when i was 7) and smoking marijuana.
dont you try to preach to me about addiction and link biased heavily opinionated articles and expect me to take you seriously.
By taking your own personal experience with marijuana to be the truth is heavily opinionated in itself. Seriously, do you expect everyone to have the maturity, discipline and self control to stop experimenting with harder narcotics after their experience with marijuana? Curiosity killed the proverbial cat. It is these "irresponsible people" that the criminalization of marijuana has aimed to prevent, although it has failed quite miserably. Although it might seem unfair for responsible marijuana users, since when was life ever fair?
Maybe the pro-legalization-of-marijuana side would like to present a future scenario of what a society would be like with the legalization of marijuana.
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 05:09:36
I'm done talking about this, it's not like I'm going to go to the White House to push for legalization or anything.
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 05:50:33QUOTE (nateiskewl @ Aug 24 2008, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Since when is info on Wikipedia reliable?
Arh. ffs not this. I just cant stand this kind of people. Wikipedia is reliable. period. Look at all the references, go check them yourself if you dont think they are good.
I dont know why people keep on coming up with stuff about wikipedia not being reliable. Yes you can go and change the articles yourself, but it aint gonna stay there long unless what you write is true and is proven by references to be so.
To not what to trust wikipedia is to ignore the biggest, most adverse and most reliable source of information on the whole internet. -
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 08:03:44QUOTEThere is little evidence, however, that these adverse effects persist after drug use stops or that any direct cause and effect relationships are involved
I like how this ended your whole argument.QUOTEAlso, note that the source clearly states SOME, not EVERY fucking one who takes marijuana. For every 100 people that use marijuana responsibly and recreationally, there will always be someone who takes marijuana and experiences negative side effects, NONLETHAL though. You CANNOT discount this fact.
You can say the exact same thing for alcohol. -
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 09:23:01QUOTE (sangara @ Aug 24 2008, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I like how this ended your whole argument.
You can say the exact same thing for alcohol.
thanks for saying this.
i know this girl who every time she drinks she winds up crying and screaming and starting a fight with everybody.
i also know a kid who always gets realy paranoid whenever he smokes. everybody else is either a smoker or not. or a drinker or not.
just because a few people out of a room full of people experience negative effects doesnt mean this wonderfull plant should be illegal.
@gunblakes: you are going on a biased article written by people who probaly never have smoked weed. meaning you are using information found from sombody who knows sombody who smoked weed maybe a few times. i have smoked weed many times. my parents have. and both of my parents studied biology. and my mothers a nurse. i have first had information as well as acurate medical information from a nurse.
you are beat in this argument. there is no way to change your opinion unless you decide to get your head out of your ass and actualy try it. but you definatly wont and even if you DO you will be too proud to admit it to me or the rest of UPSB. -
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 10:28:45QUOTE (Coolatta @ Aug 19 2008, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Are for or against it? Whats bad about it, whats good about it?
Im for legalization and decriminalization of marijuana in america. Weed can be unhealthy for your lungs, and the amount of tar in one joint is supposedly equivalent to four cigarettes. Weed also kills brain cells. Saying that one joint is equivalent to four cigarettes is saying alot, even though how many people smoke 40 joints a day from the time they were twelve? Also the new brain cells are produced every day so nothing is wrong with the occasional joint in my opinion. Weed has many medicinal uses, as a mild painkiller, anti-anxiety, anti-depressant, counter-acts the negative effects of chemo therapy(used to treat cancer), and often makes you pretty hungry(good in some cases, for treating aids patients for example) as well as a few others. My mother and father basically live off pharmaceutical medications. My mother was given many medecines during her first pregnancy(with my older sister) and almost died during child birth because of it. My mother lived but also adopted many health disorders. My father has mild to severe joint pain, and mild backpain. Medicinal marijuana would eliminate all of the medicine my father has to take, and more than half my mother had to take.
I might have a different perspective than others on the situation, but i would like to know your opinions.
I think you are referring to this argument? Don't quite catch your drift.
Do you not get my fucking point? I acknowledge the fact that weed has little adverse negative side effects with regards to health, and the "slightly harmful effects" of precipitating mild behavioural problems in a MINORITY of users. You started this thread asking "Are for or against it? Whats bad about it, whats good about it?" with regards to the legalization of marijuana in America.
With regards to your wonderful and recreation experiences with marijuana, why not ask a mother whose son started on weed and worked his way up the narcotic food chain if marijuana should be legalized? Personal experience colors opinion.
While MAJORITY(that is going out on a leg) of marijuana users may stop at weed purely for recreational purposes, a MINORITY will go on to do harder drugs. While most people here surely belong in the majority, how about those in the minority? Legalization of marijuana certainly has its MEDICAL benefits, but with it comes some social issues too. More minors get exposed to marijuana, they experiment with it, some go on to do harder drugs, which is the present case with cigarettes and tobacco. The danger lies precisely with the fact that marijuana is a soft narcotic, SOME people think they can handle harder drugs after experiencing marijuana. And this will result in a slippery slope effect. People will start pushing for legalization of other, potentially dangerous drugs.
With respect to the "tobacco and alcohol are more dangerous but they are legal!" argument, it might be compelling to legalize a substance that is less harmful then present legal ones, but as you can see above the effects of legalizing marijuana.
To drive home my point for the uninitiated so far:
1. Marijuana can be good for your health, happiness as a recreational drug
2. Marijuana can have some negative side-effects on people with pre-existing psychotic disorders, but nonlethal.
3. Marijuana has potential as a medicinal drug
4. Legalization of marijuana has its benefits with regards to the 1. and 3.
5. However legalization of marijuana brings about social problems
6. Which is the fucking crux of the issue, not "pot is bad for your health" as some may assume my stance to be
7. Although greater evils (alcohol tobacco) are legalized, doesnt justify the legalization primarily because of
social cost.
@sangara I believe I mentioned that using the case of alcohol and tobacco should not be justification of legalization of marijuana. My argument is against the legalization of marijuana, not the harmful effects of marijuana. Please read carefully.
Anyway a more reasonable approach as brought up early in this thread would be to legalize marijuana purely for medicinal uses and under strict regulation, like Accutane. Google accutane if you must.
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Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 11:53:07
ive said all i have to say. i only have one last thing to bring to everybodys attention.
Weed is a plant. America couldn't put tax on a plant so that is why it is illegal today.
and alcohol and tobacco are just as much gateway drugs as marijuana. -
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2008 11:54:35
Making it legal, doesn't mean more people will use it. Lots of people might just do it cause it's forbidden etc...
as for me i'm not into drugs, alcool is better xD whatever tickles your fancy I don't care if people do it or don't as long as they don't ask me. -
Date: Sun, Dec 21 2008 06:16:04
Before making any argument about this, you need to watch the entire 100 minutes of this film, as I did just now....
http://e.blip.tv/scripts/flash/showplayer....p;enablejs=true
(the BB code kept fucking up when i tried to put it into a link.....I think cause its too long....)
Coolatta, please watch this, please put it in your first post, because some of the things you said show quite a bit of ignorance.......not a single argument shown throughout this thread is not totally destroyed by this documentary....I'm not saying that I've suddenly been brainwashed by this video to promote weed, I was pro-legalization before watching it, and now any doubt that I had about it has virtually been cleared.....QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 24 2008, 06:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>2. Marijuana can have some negative side-effects on people with pre-existing psychotic disorders, but nonlethal.
Your referring to the high THC levels in Weed, which exist in many other legal drugs all over the market.QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 24 2008, 06:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>5. However legalization of marijuana brings about social problems
Places that have legalized Weed seem to have less social problems in relation to Weed, coincidence? Do you remember the horrible effects of the alcohol prohibition? Crime rates rose amazingly. Stopping prohibition and starting regulation would not only assist in stopping it from being the cause of crimes/gang violence, but would also HELP in the prevention of Weed from reaching the hands of minors.QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 24 2008, 06:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>7. Although greater evils (alcohol tobacco) are legalized, doesnt justify the legalization primarily because of
social cost.
Watch the video and tell me thatQUOTE (Gunblakes @ Aug 24 2008, 06:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it is merely opinion based on facts.
and it seemed to much of your argument was based on opinion and NOT facts....
I have stayed out of here because of the restriction on getting into politics/religion, but I'm gunna try an make a re-entry =D -
Date: Sun, Dec 21 2008 06:33:14
Its funny cause my 16 year old stoner friend doesn't want weed to be legalized right now because he said it would be way harder for him to get it lolz...
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Date: Mon, Dec 22 2008 01:49:15
im realy interested in understanding your point of view sadistic, but the video isnt playing. would you care to point out my ignorance?
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Date: Mon, Dec 22 2008 02:43:18QUOTE (Coolatta @ Dec 21 2008, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im realy interested in understanding your point of view sadistic, but the video isnt playing. would you care to point out my ignorance?
probably meant that authorized sellers would need to verify your id and it might be complicated if ur underage whereas the pusher on the street doesn't care who u are as long as you got the money. -
Date: Mon, Dec 22 2008 03:54:17QUOTE (Lordbojo @ Aug 23 2008, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Where do people get the money? If weed is legal, the cost of weed will drop dramatically because the plant is not hard to grow it's just the cost of the middleman right now. Weed right now is $20 a gram it should drop to about $5.
I agree with what youre saying, but shit man, 20$'s a lot for one gram...I think you should stop buying from whoever youre buying from, you can get a gram for half of that. -
Date: Mon, Dec 22 2008 04:14:18
i highly doubt the price would drop because it would be taxed by the govt just like with cigs
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Date: Mon, Dec 22 2008 17:52:46
uhhz,
weed is already in the usa
so when you allow it, its not really going to be any difference
to the person who said crime rates will sky rocket.... REALLY? it will be more people high and thinking that they are smart for a few hours...
How is that going to raise crime rate? more people will be smoking it instead of more people trying to steal what they need >_>
infact if it was legalized the price of weed would go down, and hence the people who were to smoke/ and steal... would go down, because they could buy more for the same price
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To MikeKe, it depends where you live
To Zombo: unless its sold in a store its not taxed... for example i could give you a printer for $100.... where is the tax on that? -
Date: Tue, Dec 23 2008 03:33:00QUOTE (Sadistic @ Dec 21 2008, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Before making any argument about this, you need to watch the entire 100 minutes of this film, as I did just now....
http://e.blip.tv/scripts/flash/showplayer....p;enablejs=true
(the BB code kept fucking up when i tried to put it into a link.....I think cause its too long....)
Coolatta, please watch this, please put it in your first post, because some of the things you said show quite a bit of ignorance.......not a single argument shown throughout this thread is not totally destroyed by this documentary....I'm not saying that I've suddenly been brainwashed by this video to promote weed, I was pro-legalization before watching it, and now any doubt that I had about it has virtually been cleared.....
Holy shit i watched that whole thing
Its pretty interesting...
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Date: Tue, Dec 23 2008 06:33:48
I like to smoke weed when I wanna relax.
Partysmoking inc. drinking at the same time. Sucks ass.
This is what I like to do once in a month or two.
Play some ambient/chillout/lounge music and lay down with deep lighting. You should try, its so nice. -
Date: Tue, Dec 23 2008 15:05:44QUOTE (emo619x @ Dec 22 2008, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>To Zombo: unless its sold in a store its not taxed... for example i could give you a printer for $100.... where is the tax on that?
uh?
if marijuana is legalized, you can be assured the goverment won't allow pushers on the streets to sell it without proper permit. It will have to be sold in stores just like cigarettes and there's too much money to be made from taxing drugs not to do it.
just like having license to sell alcohol. -
Date: Tue, Dec 23 2008 15:37:07QUOTE (Zombo @ Dec 23 2008, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>uh?
if marijuana is legalized, you can be assured the goverment won't allow pushers on the streets to sell it without proper permit. It will have to be sold in stores just like cigarettes and there's too much money to be made from taxing drugs not to do it.
just like having license to sell alcohol.
Correct.
Although....
i would think (hope) that the taxes would be phenominally lower than that of Smokes. (in Canada it costs 13$ for a 25 pack, 10$ of which is pure tax)
i would think so because there is truly not any adverse effects to smoking weed. Most of the reasons for Smoke taxes are for
1: Government
2: Because its bad for you, so they try to deter ppl by raising the prices
As well, there arent any huge "anti-weed" or "weed is bad mmkay" campaigns that have been going on, and so the general publics opinion on it has tended to get way more logical, accepeted, and overall more lienient towards it. -
Date: Tue, Dec 23 2008 21:45:42QUOTE (Coolatta @ Dec 21 2008, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im realy interested in understanding your point of view sadistic, but the video isnt playing. would you care to point out my ignorance?
grrrr power outagesssss
You should have specified that only smoking weed kills brain cells.
one joint being the equivalent to 4 cigs is bs.
The video should work, I'm not sure why it isn't for you; its very interesting though, you should watch it.
with the national healthcare program hopefully coming up we wouldn't necessarily need to tax weed....especially considering it does little to no damage on your body and has very low addictivity (notaword)
and my fingers hurt from this shitty keyboard so, ill spam more when my power is back. -
Date: Thu, Dec 25 2008 05:22:19
I watched that whole video, it basically but not just shows how corrupt the government is.
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Date: Thu, Dec 25 2008 05:30:24QUOTE (KurtAB @ Dec 25 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I watched that whole video, it just shows how corrupt the government is.
more of it was aimed at the pharmacutical industry rather than the government.....
and if you watched the whole video and that's all you got out of it..........wow -
Date: Thu, Dec 25 2008 14:38:28
Yeah definitely man, cause i would sit there and write out all the stuff i got out of it.
The pharmaceutical industry doesn't control what is legal and not though. -
Date: Sat, Jan 10 2009 07:56:49
lmfao i was reading this expecting some guy would be like smoking while pen spinning... turns out its ABOUT drugs.
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Date: Sat, Jan 10 2009 23:49:05
I don't think legalization of weed is a good idea it causes more harm then good sXe
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Date: Sat, Jan 10 2009 23:53:13QUOTE (BSGfanatic @ Jan 10 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't think legalization of weed is a good idea it causes more harm then good sXe
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Date: Sun, Jan 11 2009 00:37:28
I don't think you should decide whats good for people, why shouldn't we grant people the freedom to make their own decisions instead of wasting tax payers money on preventing this.
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Date: Sun, Jan 11 2009 03:24:28
Sometimes social stigmas arent all that bad we cut them out to be, they have some truth in them.
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Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 11:17:13QUOTE (Awesome @ Jan 11 2009, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't think you should decide whats good for people, why shouldn't we grant people the freedom to make their own decisions instead of wasting tax payers money on preventing this.
clarify please -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 11:44:19
why the fuck are most people saying, legalize the damn marijuana?! Just because there are a LITTLE good stuff about it, doesn't mean its all good. You should all think about the several really BAD things about smoking marijuana... like lung cancer etc.
I'm fine with the marijuana plant being used as a healing agent, but smoking weed/pot/crack or whatever you call it, is damn stupid. -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 12:21:51QUOTE (minche @ Jan 20 2009, 06:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
clarify please
If people are willing to pay for it, why not let them? Shouldn't they be able to choose what to do and what not to do, isn't that a part of freedom? When the government makes it illegal, they have to enforce it to a degree, spending money on prevention programs, hire more cops etc. instead of spending that on stuff that actually helps society. The way it is now they are spending money on something that does little harm to society ( I don't think Holland is in decay because weeds legalized there) and spend the money on better health care, more education, enforce other laws more severely.
I know we can't be free to choose for everything, but I think weed is something everyone can make a descion for themselves if they want to smoke it or not, and if they do choose to use it, it isn't going to negatively impact society. We have countries that have already legalized it, we should be looking at how it worked for them, considering people are people no matter what country your living in it should be similar everywhere to as how it will affect people. -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 14:50:48QUOTE (riverboy @ Jan 20 2009, 06:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>why the fuck are most people saying, legalize the damn marijuana?! Just because there are a LITTLE good stuff about it, doesn't mean its all good. You should all think about the several really BAD things about smoking marijuana... like lung cancer etc.
I'm fine with the marijuana plant being used as a healing agent, but smoking weed/pot/crack or whatever you call it, is damn stupid.
The risk of lung cancer is very low.....and crack and weed are not the same thing fyi -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 17:17:22QUOTE (riverboy @ Jan 20 2009, 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>why the fuck are most people saying, legalize the damn marijuana?! Just because there are a LITTLE good stuff about it, doesn't mean its all good. You should all think about the several really BAD things about smoking marijuana... like lung cancer etc.
I'm fine with the marijuana plant being used as a healing agent, but smoking weed/pot/crack or whatever you call it, is damn stupid.
Um... ok, you know you can say the EXACT same things about Alcohol and Weed right? -
Date: Wed, Jan 21 2009 05:39:40QUOTE (riverboy @ Jan 20 2009, 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>why the fuck are most people saying, legalize the damn marijuana?! Just because there are a LITTLE good stuff about it, doesn't mean its all good. You should all think about the several really BAD things about smoking marijuana... like lung cancer etc.
I'm fine with the marijuana plant being used as a healing agent, but smoking weed/pot/crack or whatever you call it, is damn stupid.
"Wow you fucking retard, have you ever smoked weed? Do you know how the fuck it feels?
I didn't fucking think so,have even seen weed and think that it causes addiction and behavioral issues when it definitely does not. Weed does not cause addiction, cigarettes do, but cigarettes are legal and kill millions. Learn to smoke a joint and maybe you won't be so fucking closed minded. " - LORDBOJO -
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 22:09:19
If weed becomes legal, It will open up a ton of jobs. If the government doesnt take all the cash directly, then our economy will start heading back up.
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Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 22:15:58QUOTE (Nolan @ Jan 26 2009, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If weed becomes legal, It will open up a ton of jobs. If the government doesnt take all the cash directly, then our economy will start heading back up.
i dont think the goverment would be smart enough to do that.
even if they tax it like crazy would it be worse than going to prison for one joint?
also the only unhealthy factor with marijuana are the actual attributes of smoke, not marijuana. vaporizers eliminate these harmful qualities.
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Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 22:30:35
I feel this is about as similar as it is to banning or restricting guns (at least in the NYC area). Just because you restrict/ban it, doesn't mean people will ever stop getting it.
According to one of my teachers, in societies that allow guns to more easily bought by citizens actually have less rate of crime, gun shootings, etc.
So if this assumption is correct, the same should go for weed. Whether or not you ban it, it will still be easily accessible. So legalizing it only makes it seem like the more common and everyday type of cigarette. Hence, there will be less problems with drug dealers selling weed because you can get it from the store in more availability and the less chance of seemingly doing something illegal.
As far as the government making the drug dealers/ street sellers have to pay a tax, that should not be a problem because it's like me buying candy and selling it on the street in nice little bags with zip ties on it.
I vote the government (USA) should legalize marijuana because everyone is still accessing it either way, only causing us to use more resources to stop this "crime". -
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 04:52:48QUOTE (Desert Foxâ„¢ @ Jan 28 2009, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I feel this is about as similar as it is to banning or restricting guns (at least in the NYC area). Just because you restrict/ban it, doesn't mean people will ever stop getting it.
According to one of my teachers, in societies that allow guns to more easily bought by citizens actually have less rate of crime, gun shootings, etc.
So if this assumption is correct, the same should go for weed. Whether or not you ban it, it will still be easily accessible. So legalizing it only makes it seem like the more common and everyday type of cigarette. Hence, there will be less problems with drug dealers selling weed because you can get it from the store in more availability and the less chance of seemingly doing something illegal.
As far as the government making the drug dealers/ street sellers have to pay a tax, that should not be a problem because it's like me buying candy and selling it on the street in nice little bags with zip ties on it.
I vote the government (USA) should legalize marijuana because everyone is still accessing it either way, only causing us to use more resources to stop this "crime".
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Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 05:20:41
legalize it. people should have the right to do what they want as long as it doesnt cause harm others. just not in public, and maybe ban smoking IN PUBLIC. smoking is also a decision some choose to/not to do, and people who choose not to shouldnt suffer from second-hand-smoke by those who do around them. its also quite harmful to the environment and causes pollution
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Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 08:29:16
Is tobacco a greater evil as compared to weed?
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Date: Sat, Jan 31 2009 19:08:33QUOTE (Gunblakes @ Jan 30 2009, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is tobacco a greater evil as compared to weed?
I'd say so. -
Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 02:15:56QUOTE (Cybrax @ Aug 19 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>FUCK NO!!!
Imagine how many people would smoke weed. And crime rates will insanely rise to armageddon .
If it is legalized, it should be only kept in medical facilities and only be used with a permission of series of doctors.
**dunno if this was mentioned but...***
here in Canada(at least BC) , in the news at least once a week i see reports of deaths relating to gang violence. its safe to say that more than half the gangs that are here are related to the smuggling/growing/selling of Marijuanna. if it was legalized crime rates would actually go down.
ya, i use to think Marijuanna was super super bad for your. but the arguments seems to outweight the 'no' (althought there are still some really good reasons why it souldn't be legalized.) now, what the hell, you wanna risk it? go ahead. (risk being there is a good chance marijuanna will lead to heavier drugs) -
Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 02:52:19QUOTE (Boshi @ Jan 29 2009, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>legalize it. people should have the right to do what they want as long as it doesnt cause harm others. just not in public, and maybe ban smoking IN PUBLIC. smoking is also a decision some choose to/not to do, and people who choose not to shouldnt suffer from second-hand-smoke by those who do around them. its also quite harmful to the environment and causes pollution
agreed
if ppl want to do bad things to their health, sure, as long as it doesnt harm the ppl around u.
again, i agree w/ boshi, if the government wants to ban it, at least ban it for smoking in public, ppl have the right to walk by a non-drugged air in public places. if its someone else's property, the owner can smoke on it. ppl cant sue the owner for smoking on their own property.
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Date: Fri, Apr 17 2009 01:19:06QUOTE (Cybrax @ Aug 19 2008, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>FUCK NO!!!
Imagine how many people would smoke weed. And crime rates will insanely rise to armageddon .
If it is legalized, it should be only kept in medical facilities and only be used with a permission of series of doctors.
Probably one of the more ignorant ridiculous things I've heard in ages, like I honestly don't even know how can even say that without feeling terrible about yourself. -
Date: Fri, Apr 17 2009 01:33:21
If you want to learn all the effects on the body from marijuana i suggest watching the movie The Union. It is a very good movie about marijuana and how legalizing it would effect the economy and other topics.
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Date: Fri, Apr 17 2009 05:07:46
It should be legalized. It is less addictive than tobacco, it barely has any negative effects on our society, and we are wasting millions of dollars warehousing these perfectly functional human beings that just want to smoke some weed. Also, by legalizing it, we are actually going to REDUCE crime by limiting the amount of smuggling and illegal gangs formed for the shipment of marijuana. This is also another positive effect of legalizing it.
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Date: Fri, Apr 17 2009 05:50:09
Why the hell did you guys resurrect this thing?
And its not addicting at all, just thought I'd mention it again. -
Date: Fri, Apr 17 2009 06:02:49
no it DOES have a bit of a withdrawal effect, but typically thats after like 20-30 years of nonstop being a pothead.
my post was kind of worded wrongly...i was trying to state that tobacco is an even bigger problem that marijuana in terms of addiction and if it were illegal, a lot of shit would happen a lot worse than that of weed -
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 22:11:50
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007
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Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 00:29:59QUOTE (Pencell @ Apr 20 2009, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thank you for posting this video Pencell. I enjoyed viewing it and it definitely showed me a lot of things about cannabis. -
Date: Tue, Jan 12 2010 03:28:13
alright guys question:
alot of ppl say weed isn't addictive
and idk because ive never tried >,>
but im just curious, even if ur not addicted, would u still have "cravings" for it sometimes? -
Date: Tue, Jan 12 2010 04:11:36QUOTE (KDH @ Jan 11 2010, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>alright guys question:
alot of ppl say weed isn't addictive
and idk because ive never tried >,>
but im just curious, even if ur not addicted, would u still have "cravings" for it sometimes?
it's not 'chemically addictive', meaning, there's no chemical within it that releases endorphins inside of the brain (like nicotine does).
HOWEVER, endorphins don't require a chemical trigger. anything that makes you happy/you enjoy can release endorphins, which means you can become 'addicted' to anything. I would say it's likely several people are verifyably addicted to penspinning lol xD
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Date: Tue, Jan 12 2010 06:02:39
People confuse the statistics that show: the majority of people who do hard drugs started with marijuana; for: if you do marijuana your more likely to do harder drugs.
Clearly people of this life style share this particular habit of starting with marijuana, but this doesn't necessarily mean there is a correlation, and I challenge someone to find a peer reviewed study that does(this is an actual request, as I haven't seen one and there may be one out there). To understand what I'm trying to say, the fallacy would be in connecting something like: the majority of people who do hard drugs own hoodies; to:If you own a hoodie, your more likely to do harder drugs.
Now clearly doing marijuana has a lot more to do with hard drugs than owning a hoodie, but even if there is a direct relationship, wouldn't legalizing marijuana likely severe the tie to this relationship? Nearly everything similar for buying weed and buying a hard drug is due to the illegality of the two. The people who sell hard drugs would no longer sell weed, because their market relies on selling illegal products. You certainly wouldn't see the same guy who is dealing cocaine to also be selling alcohol and cigarettes would you? No of course not, because these products would be far more easily attained (and cheaper as well) through a legal medium.QUOTE (Boshi @ Jan 30 2009, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>its also quite harmful to the environment and causes pollution
wut??? Last time I checked, neither cigarettes nor weed contained any methane to attribute to global warming or anywhere close to enough pollutants to cause smog. They might burn down a house here or there though.
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Date: Tue, Jan 12 2010 06:17:23QUOTE (Sadistic @ Jan 11 2010, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Boshi @ Jan 29 2009, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
its also quite harmful to the environment and causes pollution
wut??? Last time I checked, neither cigarettes nor weed contained any methane to attribute to global warming or anywhere close to enough pollutants to cause smog. They might burn down a house here or there though.
Actually cigarettes do cause a lot of pollution. Tobacco smokers smoke anything from 1-5+ packs a day. With that said, ever been to the beach lately? Notice some asses and lots more discusting-skinny-yellow--centered-white asses*?
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Date: Tue, Jan 12 2010 06:40:50QUOTE (UEDan @ Jan 12 2010, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>wut??? Last time I checked, neither cigarettes nor weed contained any methane to attribute to global warming or anywhere close to enough pollutants to cause smog. They might burn down a house here or there though.
Actually cigarettes do cause a lot of pollution. Tobacco smokers smoke anything from 1-5+ packs a day. With that said, ever been to the beach lately? Notice some asses and lots more discusting-skinny-yellow--centered-white asses*?
*Ass is a synonym.
Could be said of any product of America's massive consumerism. -
Date: Fri, Jan 15 2010 15:17:23
Needs to legalized since similar and potentially more dangerous substances such as alcohol and cigs are legal. More importantly the govt can tax the crap outta weed and stop using our tax dollars. All of us are buying weed one way or another. we pay taxes that goto "war against drugs" which is a ginormous Fail. If they legalized it the govt could actually make a few billion bux instead of wasting a few billion trying to stop it.
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Date: Fri, Jan 15 2010 15:20:41
Lol, since when has governmental policy been about logic?
When it comes down to it, legalization will look the government look like hypocrites and dumbasses, and most importantly, powerless. It'd be saying "if you can't beat them, join them." So even if it makes the most sense, they'll never do it -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 02:38:10
i suppose i should read some of the other posts but im in a hurry (though i still find time for upsb <3)
1. legaslising weed wont necessarily make it more popular, half the fun for some people is doing it because its illegal, once its legal some people wont be as attracted to it
2. if its legalised we can monitor the stuff that gets sold, when something is being done in secrecy, sold under the table by back alley dealers, theres a chance theres some fucked up shit in that weed that could have much worse side effects than the weed itself... if itsa legalised the its easier to make sure the quality is good because dealers dont have to hide it
3. weed isnt going to make people violent, i tried some a while back, couch was too damn comfy for me to get up and start killing people... even then, no1 even came close to pissing me off. so calm... though a little woozy in the head n stomach... meh -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:02:00
One big reason why its not gonna' ever b legalized is because they don't want it to become the next cigarette. They can't ban cigarettes now because it's bringing in to much profits. They wanna' ban it now because of all the damage its doing to other people. If they were to legalize weed now, the government will be stuck with the same dilemma as they have with weed.
Personally I'm totally against weed. First of all I don't get why someone would wanna's smoke it to get high knowing that it'll damage your body. Next if you wanna' smoke it, fine but think about everyone else. Even if you smoke it discretely, it's still gonna' damage the earth. I treasure my body and this earth. Both our body and the earth are sacred thing and you wanna' destroy them both. A little selfish don't you think?
This are my thoughts and views. -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:07:14QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Jan 26 2010, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>One big reason why its not gonna' ever b legalized is because they don't want it to become the next cigarette. They can't ban cigarettes now because it's bringing in to much profits. They wanna' ban it now because of all the damage its doing to other people. If they were to legalize weed now, the government will be stuck with the same dilemma as they have with weed.
Personally I'm totally against weed. First of all I don't get why someone would wanna's smoke it to get high knowing that it'll damage your body. Next if you wanna' smoke it, fine but think about everyone else. Even if you smoke it discretely, it's still gonna' damage the earth. I treasure my body and this earth. Both our body and the earth are sacred thing and you wanna' destroy them both. A little selfish don't you think?
This are my thoughts and views.
Do some research, please. -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:15:36QUOTE (AwonW @ Jan 27 2010, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Do some research, please.
I did. Whats the problem? -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:20:38QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Jan 26 2010, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I did. Whats the problem?
Weed has very minor effects on your health/others health compared to either cigarettes or alcohol, this has already been discussed multiple times in this thread.
You could argue that eating corn hurts the earth because it removes CO2 producing plants..... The damage that weed does to the environment is incredibly small. This has also already been discussed in this thread. -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:24:40
I doesnt need weed! Im high on life
But seriously... never tried it, never will. Its not cool. -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:33:31QUOTE (Sadistic @ Jan 27 2010, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Weed has very minor effects on your health/others health compared to either cigarettes or alcohol, this has already been discussed multiple times in this thread.
You could argue that eating corn hurts the earth because it removes CO2 producing plants..... The damage that weed does to the environment is incredibly small. This has also already been discussed in this thread.
minor effects are still effects none the less. There are psychological effects and brain damage. Is that minor?
I think comparing consumption of food and consumption of drugs is out of contexts as eating is a natural process while drugs isn't.
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Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:33:51QUOTE (Sadistic @ Jan 26 2010, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You could argue that eating corn hurts the earth because it removes CO2 producing plants..... The damage that weed does to the environment is incredibly small. This has also already been discussed in this thread.
plants produces o2 ^^ -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:35:48QUOTE (Mystic @ Jan 27 2010, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I doesnt need weed! Im high on life
But seriously... never tried it, never will. Its not cool.
GO MYSTIC!!!! Same here -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:36:37QUOTE (VendettaBF @ Jan 26 2010, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>plants produces o2 ^^
...and ATP. -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:36:56QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Jan 26 2010, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>minor effects are still effects none the less. There are psychological effects and brain damage. Is that minor?
I think comparing consumption of food and consumption of drugs is out of contexts as eating is a natural process while drugs isn't.
Numerous studies have disproved that weed has any sort of lasting psychological effects or brain damage.
So if I were to eat weed to get high it would be alright? The comparison was completely logical imo. -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:41:38QUOTE (AwonW @ Jan 27 2010, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Numerous studies have disproved that weed has any sort of lasting psychological effects or brain damage.
So if I were to eat weed to get high it would be alright? The comparison was completely logical imo.
Even so there is still damage to the body. The point is that why damage your body?
Eating is for survival sake getting high is not -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:52:41QUOTE (Mystic @ Jan 26 2010, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I doesnt need weed! Im high on life
But seriously... never tried it, never will. Its not cool.
Oh mister mystic if you try it, you'll be playing halo...without an xbox ;DDDD -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:53:36
There's more to life than just existing Hippo...
I made a rule to myself to never do drugs or smoke but sometimes I do wonder what it would be like (not that I'm going to go and break my rules now). -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 03:56:16
the only way that i can think of that weed damage ur body is: u inhale but u hold ur breathe for so long that u'll lose brain cells. then u can harm urself by smoking it so much that ur body needs the chemicals in weed to function "normally"
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Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 04:14:12QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Jan 26 2010, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>One big reason why its not gonna' ever b legalized is because they don't want it to become the next cigarette. They can't ban cigarettes now because it's bringing in to much profits. They wanna' ban it now because of all the damage its doing to other people. If they were to legalize weed now, the government will be stuck with the same dilemma as they have with weed.
Personally I'm totally against weed. First of all I don't get why someone would wanna's smoke it to get high knowing that it'll damage your body. Next if you wanna' smoke it, fine but think about everyone else. Even if you smoke it discretely, it's still gonna' damage the earth. I treasure my body and this earth. Both our body and the earth are sacred thing and you wanna' destroy them both. A little selfish don't you think?
This are my thoughts and views.
Well growing the plants remove co2, but really the amount of smoke released is negligible compared to cars, power plants and industry create. The only real damage to you comes from inhaling combustion by-products, which can be avoided through use of vaporizers or baked goods. Something like getting McDonalds is far more damaging for your body and the environment but that isn't reason to ban McDonalds or to even not eat there ever.QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Jan 26 2010, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Even so there is still damage to the body. The point is that why damage your body?
Eating is for survival sake getting high is not
I am sure you do things that aren't optimal for your health, like eating fast food every now and then, or mabye slacking off on exercise or spending too much time on the computer. If you are so concerned about your body you will miss out on many enjoyable experiences life has to offer. Weed can be a great stress reliever and stress is terrible for your body, so depending on its use it can be beneficial.QUOTE (VendettaBF @ Jan 26 2010, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>the only way that i can think of that weed damage ur body is: u inhale but u hold ur breathe for so long that u'll lose brain cells. then u can harm urself by smoking it so much that ur body needs the chemicals in weed to function "normally"
Weed isn't physically addicting, so you will never need it to function normally like that. Many other drugs that is the case however. -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 04:21:47QUOTE (VendettaBF @ Jan 26 2010, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>plants produces o2 ^^
lol ya I didn't read over that post before submitting it lol.....QUOTE (VendettaBF @ Jan 26 2010, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>the only way that i can think of that weed damage ur body is: u inhale but u hold ur breathe for so long that u'll lose brain cells. then u can harm urself by smoking it so much that ur body needs the chemicals in weed to function "normally"
This addiction is about the equivalent to those of computer addicts.QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Jan 26 2010, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>minor effects are still effects none the less. There are psychological effects and brain damage. Is that minor?
I think comparing consumption of food and consumption of drugs is out of contexts as eating is a natural process while drugs isn't.
Eating beef is not necessary at all as there are much better ways to get protein these days. Beef is incredibly inefficient in terms of cost-food production and promoting the cattle market causes HUGE amounts of methane, a major factor in humans contributing to global warming. You are doing 100X more damage to the environment with every burger you eat.
@ Awon I saw a study that showed that people who smoke very often (like 10+ times a week) over a long period of time have slightly less frontal lobe functionality, and even though thats not much more than having high colesterol or something of that sort, its still a minor effect. -
Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 19:12:33QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Jan 26 2010, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>minor effects are still effects none the less. There are psychological effects and brain damage. Is that minor?
I think comparing consumption of food and consumption of drugs is out of contexts as eating is a natural process while drugs isn't.
they test the effects weeds has on the brain by giving monkeys a gas mask that is connected to a tank that releases the chemicals that weed has into the monkey. they however didnt give the monkey enough oxygen = brain damage.
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Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 19:43:53QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Jan 27 2010, 04:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>minor effects are still effects none the less. There are psychological effects and brain damage. Is that minor?
I think comparing consumption of food and consumption of drugs is out of contexts as eating is a natural process while drugs isn't.
There is so much bad shit going on on this planet, the air is filled with bad stuff that you breathe in constantly, there's radiance from every where. The psychological effects TV has on you are far worse than all the weed you could smoke.
Did you know that you die at the end? Live a little and accept the fucking brain damage as a price of feeling good for a while in this horrible world we live in.
Fuck. -
Date: Thu, Jan 28 2010 08:16:20
Politicians also argue that weed is a "gateway" drug, and once your body is used to smoking weed, they do not receive as great of a high as they had before; so the users start doing more severe things such as popping pills.
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Date: Thu, Jan 28 2010 09:14:55QUOTE (VendettaBF @ Jan 28 2010, 03:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Politicians also argue that weed is a "gateway" drug, and once your body is used to smoking weed, they do not receive as great of a high as they had before; so the users start doing more severe things such as popping pills.
This is more often used as reasoning for not doing the drugs rather than not legalizing the drugs. I think its more often stated that, because when you buy or use weed, you often need to deal with the kind of people who do much worse drugs, making it much more likely for you yourself to be influenced into using said worse drugs. If anything though, this would be an argument FOR the legalizing of weed, because legalization would remove the requirement of dealing with these types of characters. -
Date: Thu, Jan 28 2010 17:41:13QUOTE (Sadistic @ Jan 28 2010, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This is more often used as reasoning for not doing the drugs rather than not legalizing the drugs. I think its more often stated that, because when you buy or use weed, you often need to deal with the kind of people who do much worse drugs, making it much more likely for you yourself to be influenced into using said worse drugs. If anything though, this would be an argument FOR the legalizing of weed, because legalization would remove the requirement of dealing with these types of characters.
I dunno, my buddy started smoking weed when he got to college, and loved it, and he literally said to me one day "if pot is this good, I can't imagine how great crack is!" and then went out and found someone to buy crack from, started doing that too.
dropped out a semester and a half later
EDIT: yes, im saying the dropping out was correlated to the drugs, no i'm not saying universally smoking weed = dropping out -
Date: Fri, Jan 29 2010 01:49:50QUOTE (VendettaBF @ Jan 28 2010, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Politicians also argue that weed is a "gateway" drug, and once your body is used to smoking weed, they do not receive as great of a high as they had before; so the users start doing more severe things such as popping pills.
WTF I NEVER SAID THIS!!! who hacked my account!!
seriously u can tell that i didnt write that. it used correct punctuations and grammar -
Date: Fri, Jan 29 2010 06:36:06QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jan 28 2010, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I dunno, my buddy started smoking weed when he got to college, and loved it, and he literally said to me one day "if pot is this good, I can't imagine how great crack is!" and then went out and found someone to buy crack from, started doing that too.
dropped out a semester and a half later
EDIT: yes, im saying the dropping out was correlated to the drugs, no i'm not saying universally smoking weed = dropping out
Ya and I mean there certainly are some cases where its a gateway drug specifically because of its effects, but doesn't the illegality of weed add to this tendency?
Its sort of the broken window syndrome of drugs.
If your already doing one illegal drug, whats the harm in doing another illegal drug? You can even buy the crack from the same person your buying your weed from, how convenient. -
Date: Fri, Jan 29 2010 12:39:50
I don't think Weed is a gateway drug, not if people know what effects other drugs have on you.
Weed calms you down, relaxation kicks in. Crack rather does the opposite. Heart begins to rush, you are very aware and awake and will have trouble sleeping.
XTC also races your heart and you get halucinations and shit. Similiar with LSD, distorted vision and all that, you lose control over yourself so if you do it don't do it alone have someone with you who isn't on it or anything for that matter.
Heroin is like a softer version of meth, which I'm explaining next so keep reading.
Crystal Meth is probably the most "awesome" feeling you'll get from a drug, someone described it as the effects of all drugs you can think of combined but with those feelings come their repercussions. Like Heroin, one hit and you're addicted. Just like that. An overdose can kill you. The physical and mental damage it can cause can ultimately disconnect your brain from reality and you go permanently insane and your personality changes.
So if you like Weed and would like to try another drug do XTC or LSD, the effects are amazing, you won't get addicted and a pill costs 2-10$ (price does not determine quality usually). Make sure you stay hydrated and like I said have someone with you who is able to stop you from licking a cat you found in the streets. Don't do cocaine because it's 50-80$ a gram and fuck that.
Ooh I forgot shrooms. Shrooms are like a toned down LSD but I wouldn't buy those unless you really trust the person you're buying from, yeah it's like LSD but you're pretty much in control of yourself the whole time and (although I have not done this) people told me that eating at any point stops the effects. So you could try them and if you don't like it, eat something, you are in control of that and able to.
I smoke Weed because of the relaxation, what do I need a rush for, I'm not clubbing or anything so the extra energy is useless when watching bad movies with friends. I've done XTC, LSD, schrooms aswell but like I said, the effects aren't really of use for me, weed helps me with my boredom.