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Advanced Tricks / Aerial > thumbindex spin/thumbindex spin reverse

tips on doing it

  1. -JC-
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 00:04:32

    I'm not really concerned with the original aerial trick used in performing this thing... (although i can't seem to get a t1 charge release like minwoo does -.-'' but that's alright, i'll just do a ta release xD) but I'm wondering about several things...
    when learning how to do it...

    1. Is it better to use a heavy or light pen? (heavy pens may hurt your hand during the landing, but they'll also have more momentum? i think..?)
    2. Is it better to use a hard plastic (rsvp) or soft plastic pen (comssa)? (same thing, after trying it over and over again, hard plastic may hurt--but then again, so would the soft plastic mods... tongue.gif )
    3. Is it easier to learn aerial > thumbindex spin or aerial > thumbindex spin reverse?
    4. Should my hand be stiff or relaxed when the pen is landing?
    5. Which part of the pen should be landing on my hand?
    6. Where on my hand should it land?
    7. Any other tips to learn this trick with?

  2. Huroni
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 00:14:31

    1. I learned it using comssa (its like the yellow and black comssa you posted in Show off your pens)
    2. Comssa wink.gif
    3. I learned it by copying minwoo, but I cant control the amount of revolutions
    4. YOU CAN MAKE YOUR HAND RELAX WTF. Jk, yeah relax your hand, while making the V with straight sides
    5. Its comssa...I cant control what part of pen it lands, just not on caps wink.gif
    6. It lands on the side of the 2nd knuckle from the top? But i guess its different from everyone
    7. Uh, just keep doing it, but dont throw it too high

  3. sketching
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 01:12:38

    QUOTE
    1. Is it better to use a heavy or light pen? (heavy pens may hurt your hand during the landing, but they'll also have more momentum? i think..?)
    Whatever you are comfortable with. You don't have to launch the pen very high if using a heavier mod. On the other hand, look at David Weis' video of Levitator Rev > Bak, he is using a pencil.

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    2. Is it better to use a hard plastic (rsvp) or soft plastic pen (comssa)? (same thing, after trying it over and over again, hard plastic may hurt--but then again, so would the soft plastic mods... tongue.gif )
    Same as last question, whatever you are used to using and can manipulate better. Soft plastic can still spin very quick & long if it is balanced on a very small amount of skin. The smaller amount of contact with the mod that you have, the less important the material becomes because friction is so small anyway.

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    3. Is it easier to learn aerial > thumbindex spin or aerial > thumbindex spin reverse?
    I don't think it matters as long as the pen is spinning on the same spots of the hand. I guess it depends on how comfortable and consistent you are with whichever aerial trick you are doing.

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    4. Should my hand be stiff or relaxed when the pen is landing?
    Going back to David's video, he suggests keeping your hand relaxed. I don't see any need to be super-clenched when doing it, as I think that a clenched hand would be harder to manipulate in small ways to adjust for pen movement during the spin. I think that the hand should only be as solid as needed to support the pen, while being supple enough to allow for small adjustments when needed.

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    5. Which part of the pen should be landing on my hand?
    If you are performing the Thumbindex spin like a Fulltap (Reverse), then the pen should land on thumb & index finger with the COP in the middle of the circle.

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    6. Where on my hand should it land?
    Same as the above question, make sure the pen lands on top of the fingers.

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    7. Any other tips to learn this trick with?
    The more consistent and under control you can get the aerial trick, the better. Once you can consistently land the pen where you want on the hand, you can then concentrate on keeping the proper hand position and keeping the pen under control during the top spin.

  4. -JC-
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 01:21:59

    wow, thanks for the help huroni and sketching ohmy.gif
    i'll keep on practicing, thanks happy.gif

  5. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 02:37:08

    I believe the trick was initially done with a bakriser ~ rev thumbindexspin. I find it easier to do a low flying ta release though. I used a medium weighted pen. Expect a lot of drops. Tons. The trick takes a long time to get consistent. But I really like it. It's pretty neat to do it continuously too. It's cool and I haven't seen anyone do it but me.

    You can do the fingerless spin on any part of your hand, body, whatever you want. TA Release to a fl palmspin, fl shadow, fl inverse reverse shadow, fl spiderspin. All possible. When I'm at the table with a pair of chopsticks in hand, I've even done a TA Release ~ FL tablespin. It's fun, but uh, makes a lot of noise and such.

    Oh, and Minwoo does it like this: Charge T1 > TA Release T1 ~ FL Thumbindexspin 1.0. You wouldn't be able to do a Charge T1 > Indexaround Release into a FL thumbindexspin since it spins in the air perpendicular to the ground. You need to have it horizontal, so it's actually a TA Release. Not Minwoo's usual Charge T1 > Indexaround Release.

  6. -JC-
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 02:50:26

    QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Aug 26 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Expect a lot of drops.

    Looks like i'll be pissing a lot of people off at school then rolleyes.gif

    QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Aug 26 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Oh, and Minwoo does it like this: Charge T1 > TA Release T1 ~ FL Thumbindexspin 1.0. You wouldn't be able to do a Charge T1 > Indexaround Release into a FL thumbindexspin since it spins in the air perpendicular to the ground. You need to have it horizontal, so it's actually a TA Release. Not Minwoo's usual Charge T1 > Indexaround Release.

    OH...wow, that makes sooo much sense now ohmy.gif
    i see i see... time to look up minwoo's vids again and rewatch it now and see what you mean in action...
    but yeah, thanks a LOT for your help cause i was like, "this isn't working -.-'' either this is a very difficult thing to do (which it still is....) or i'm just fail"
    but that makes things much clearer now, to make it a t1 ta release happy.gif

  7. TRoc
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 02:59:26

    Hmm, I remeber TEK doing it with bakriser at like 2:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CObwMPpVpeM

  8. k2thez
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 03:10:24

    QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Aug 26 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Oh, and Minwoo does it like this: Charge T1 > TA Release T1 ~ FL Thumbindexspin 1.0. You wouldn't be able to do a Charge T1 > Indexaround Release into a FL thumbindexspin since it spins in the air perpendicular to the ground. You need to have it horizontal, so it's actually a TA Release. Not Minwoo's usual Charge T1 > Indexaround Release.

    Doesn't Minwoo do a charge t1 release-> FL thumbindexspin? This video gives an in-depth breakdown: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFhZkih6xak&NR=1

  9. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 03:11:03

    QUOTE (-JC- @ Aug 26 2008, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Looks like i'll be pissing a lot of people off at school then rolleyes.gif


    lol, yeah, not something to pratice at school JC. When i said a lot, i mean a lot.

    QUOTE (-JC- @ Aug 26 2008, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    OH...wow, that makes sooo much sense now ohmy.gif
    i see i see... time to look up minwoo's vids again and rewatch it now and see what you mean in action...
    but yeah, thanks a LOT for your help cause i was like, "this isn't working -.-'' either this is a very difficult thing to do (which it still is....) or i'm just fail"
    but that makes things much clearer now, to make it a t1 ta release happy.gif


    Try this: http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=MFhZkih6xak&...feature=related (At 5:48, it's a slow-mo) They notated it wrong though. Just use the notation I gave you. The extra charge t1 gives you extra momentum if you need it. Just try it with just a TA Release first.

    And any time. :]

  10. k2thez
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 03:13:33

    QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Aug 26 2008, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    lol, yeah, not something to pratice at school JC. When i said a lot, i mean a lot.



    Try this: http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=MFhZkih6xak&...feature=related They notated it wrong though. Just use the notation I gave you. The extra charge t1 gives you extra momentum if you need it. Just try it with just a TA Release first.

    And any time. :]

    Ahh, we just cited the same video for different reasons. Are you sure they notated it wrong? In the video it shows Minwoo releasing the pen during the charge, there's no push with the index finger.

  11. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 03:19:28

    QUOTE (k2thez @ Aug 26 2008, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Ahh, we just cited the same video for different reasons. Are you sure they notated it wrong? In the video it shows Minwoo releasing the pen during the charge, there's no push with the index finger.


    Yes, I'm sure. Due to the momentum from the charge, the push is very slight and not really noticeable. Try it yourself. Do a charge T1 > TA release and do a TA release. Very similar, but the charge t1 gives you more momentum.


    I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as a charge release in the first place (I think?).

  12. k2thez
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 03:24:45

    QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Aug 26 2008, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Yes, I'm sure. Due to the momentum from the charge, the push is very slight and not really noticeable. Try it yourself. Do a charge T1 > TA release and do a TA release. Very similar, but the charge t1 gives you more momentum.

    When I do this trick the momentum isn't from the charge. The momentum is from when I jerk up my hand a little for the release. Maybe sketching can give us the official notation.

    As for help with the trick make sure you don't pop it too high like Huroni said because you need absolute control over the pen to help it land on your hand.

  13. sketching
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 05:38:07

    Official...not really. tongue.gif I'd have to say that it is a Charge T1 > Charge Release T1 > ThumbIndexspin

    The upward hand motion before the release propels the pen upwards, like a Riser. The pen is in the T1 slot with the thumb and index finger pulling away from each other without either one pushing the pen anywhere. It is neither a TA or IA push, but simply a letting go of the pen. Charge Release for me. happy.gif

  14. QuestionMark
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 09:34:12

    Actually, I find it easier to do with bakriser -> thumbindex spin rev, rather than with a TA release... although I started working on the TA release way lately ^^"
    I'm using a double sided mod for training now, so it will be easier with the landing (for me anyway..), but I guess that's also personal preference...
    good luck ^^

  15. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 16:00:14

    QUOTE (sketching @ Aug 26 2008, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Official...not really. tongue.gif I'd have to say that it is a Charge T1 > Charge Release T1 > ThumbIndexspin

    The upward hand motion before the release propels the pen upwards, like a Riser. The pen is in the T1 slot with the thumb and index finger pulling away from each other without either one pushing the pen anywhere. It is neither a TA or IA push, but simply a letting go of the pen. Charge Release for me. happy.gif


    So there really is such thing as a charge release? Never knew...

    And isn't it a fingerless thumbindexspin?

  16. Xero
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 16:33:00

    QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Aug 27 2008, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    So there really is such thing as a charge release? Never knew...

    And isn't it a fingerless thumbindexspin?

    Yes. And No.

    I believe a ThumbIndexSpin would put the concept that it'd have to be a FL TA -> TIS...

  17. thumbskiller
    Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 20:13:38

    omg i like this trick i do it often to i mean the one like minwoo..

    i recorded a video for you JC where you can see it in slowmotions...

    http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=HODi22GVxZk

    and when you take a look at 0:57 at my 1year you can see this aerial too..

    http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=j2kzfHakoYY


    i hope it help...when you want a tutorial ask me..

  18. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Thu, Aug 28 2008 01:52:41

    QUOTE (Xero @ Aug 27 2008, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Yes. And No.

    I believe a ThumbIndexSpin would put the concept that it'd have to be a FL TA -> TIS...


    ...What? Clarify please.

    You make no sense.

  19. -JC-
    Date: Thu, Aug 28 2008 02:09:39

    QUOTE (thumbskiller @ Aug 27 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    omg i like this trick i do it often to i mean the one like minwoo..

    i recorded a video for you JC where you can see it in slowmotions...

    http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=HODi22GVxZk

    and when you take a look at 0:57 at my 1year you can see this aerial too..

    http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=j2kzfHakoYY


    i hope it help...when you want a tutorial ask me..

    Wow, thanks for the vid, that helped happy.gif
    the slow mo is even slower than the one in minwoo's tourney vid, and shows a bit of the beginning as well--which helped me get my starting position
    thanks biggrin.gif
    as for the tutorial, i think this slow mo vid is enough to help me learn it, no need for an actual tutorial ^^ thanks for the offer though

  20. thumbskiller
    Date: Thu, Aug 28 2008 20:36:10

    no prob man wink.gif when you have still some questions ask wink.gif

  21. Resonance
    Date: Fri, Oct 10 2008 21:21:19

    Sorry for bumping this up, but I need some tips with that trick:
    I usually do this trick like Bak riser -> thumbindexspin rev (although I'm also trying to get it the way Minwoo does it lately)
    but what happens quite a lot is that the pen lands on my hand, and just kinda bounces off it... I find it very hard to keep the pen spinning on my hand >_< any tips will be welcomed..

  22. patte
    Date: Fri, Oct 10 2008 22:05:31

    go with the flow


    when the pen goes down don't try to catch it but try to go with it so you throw pen up then when the pen is almost bout to fall on your hand just slightly move your hand down, not too much else you'll ruin the whole thing