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Serious Discussion / Russia want to own parts of Georgia

  1. thumbskiller
    Date: Tue, Sep 2 2008 10:31:33

    What do you think of that?

    i think that russia shows again that it is a very conservativ country..

  2. Sidewinder
    Date: Tue, Sep 2 2008 10:34:46

    i think u need to read up on the subject a bit more cause there's more to it than that.

  3. thumbskiller
    Date: Tue, Sep 2 2008 10:36:34

    i wanna know your opinion not more.

  4. Thewave
    Date: Tue, Sep 2 2008 14:01:55

    Ok, by what I've read about the subject Russia wants to regain its former glory as the Soviet Union.
    It's shown by aggressiveness towards Western countries near her and by speeding up armaments production and arming countries.
    The invasion to Georgia was also so that Russia could retain it's place as a main supplier of gas to the western world.
    Over the past few years we have seen a jump in Russia's economic market and a massive improvement in their economic state, which I for one think of as a great achievement, though it does come at a cost- it seems as of today that Russia has gone back to it's Soviet days of media blackouts and dictatorship.
    Regarding specifically to Georgia- I think it was just a demonstration and a warning to the Western world to be aware that Russia wants back into the world as it's leader.
    I think the cold war has returned, and let's hope it stays a cold war.

  5. Zombo
    Date: Tue, Sep 2 2008 15:30:49

    from what I understand, Georgia attacked first and Russia counter-attacked... and then it led to Russia invading Georgia.

    if it's true then it's Georgia's fault for attacking first...

  6. Thewave
    Date: Tue, Sep 2 2008 17:24:14

    QUOTE (Zombo @ Sep 2 2008, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    from what I understand, Georgia attacked first and Russia counter-attacked... and then it led to Russia invading Georgia.

    if it's true then it's Georgia's fault for attacking first...

    I think that it went like this (from what I read in the newspapers):
    Georgia invaded with military units into the Ossetia(Sp?) capital to fight off rebel forces from within the country.
    Now half of the city is within Russia and half within Georgia, either that or it's very close to the Russian border.
    So when Georgia invaded the place the Russians aided the rebels and invaded themselves.
    Now I do know it sounds kinda skeptical as to the true circumstances, so if anyone has a better source of information- please share it.

  7. TheOnion
    Date: Wed, Sep 3 2008 16:41:05

    QUOTE (Thewave @ Sep 2 2008, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I think that it went like this (from what I read in the newspapers):
    Georgia invaded with military units into the Ossetia(Sp?) capital to fight off rebel forces from within the country.
    Now half of the city is within Russia and half within Georgia, either that or it's very close to the Russian border.
    So when Georgia invaded the place the Russians aided the rebels and invaded themselves.
    Now I do know it sounds kinda skeptical as to the true circumstances, so if anyone has a better source of information- please share it.


    The reason why Russia started the invasion of Georgia was to support the pro Russia rebels in South Ossetia, officially a part of Georgia, with a hope of maybe provoking a breakaway of a pro Russian south Ossetian state. Which is quite ironical seen in the light of how hard Russia it self in the last decade or so has fought separatistic movements in the Russian region Chechnia. But anyways, they were not trying to make it a part of Russia, this is not the start of a new cold war. The reason why this could happen was partly due to Georgias attack on the rebels, which made it possible for the Russian goverment to make a spin on it which would make it seem, to the Russian people, that they were defending repressed people with good intentions. And partly due to the high price of oil which gives Russia, as the second biggest producer of oil and biggest producer of natural gas in world, a quite unique position where the West can not come up with any real sanctions without putting the oil supply in danger. Fortunately for us the price of oil is starting to drop, and I think it will continue to do so, so we won't have to live in a world were countries like Russia and Iran can do as they please without severe consequences.