UPSB v3
Advanced Tricks / iSonic (bonkura version)
split from iSonic thread
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Date: Sat, Sep 29 2007 01:46:51
I though iSonic was those isonic thingies that bonkura does, he spreads his fingers and the pen doesnt drop.
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Date: Sat, Sep 29 2007 02:20:59
That's just some ultra variation that bonkura did. iSonic is normally just hidden behind the fingers like how UED described it.
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Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 16:38:39
I still don't get how Bonkura was able to spread his fingers to make it look like the pen was actually gone...
Well I do have one solution but thats just too silly to the real one
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Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 17:27:22
Afaik, he stucks the pen between his finger and his arm by bending back his hand and fingers.
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Date: Mon, Oct 1 2007 17:48:22
@^: And when he turned his hand around he rolled the pen to the other side so it was still invisible to the camera.. right?
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Date: Wed, Oct 3 2007 04:35:46
I thought he just dropped the pen and the camera didn't catch it
cause thats what I do ^.^ -
Date: Thu, Oct 11 2007 00:28:47
Bonkura's iSonic was like, a Jesus trick. I don't think he stuck it between the back of his hand and his forearm 'cause I can't even do that while placing it D: If someone can, take a picture and show it to me from the front and back. Thanks in advance
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Date: Sun, Oct 14 2007 21:44:18
I think that if your cheap enough, you will face your camera upwards and do the trick. with your hand facing the camera making it look like you made it disappear when in reality its just laying on top of your hand...
in this video... if you watch closely on the right side you see his head...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-AVqBmQQj8&mode=related&search= -
Date: Sun, Oct 14 2007 21:48:34
Well thats 1 of 3 techniques...
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Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 07:20:05QUOTE (White_Sheath @ Oct 15 2007, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think that if your cheap enough, you will face your camera upwards and do the trick. with your hand facing the camera making it look like you made it disappear when in reality its just laying on top of your hand...
in this video... if you watch closely on the right side you see his head...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-AVqBmQQj8&mode=related&search=
Maybe...
But when he moves his hand side to side, wouldnt it fall off? He doesnt use any fingers to stop it falling down.
Another method is where you bend your hand really far back so the pen is pinned between the back of your hand and the back of your middle finger at a 45 degree slant. He's not doing that... but i remember seeing Bonkura in a random collab ages ago and i'm pretty sure he did that. -
Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 07:34:31QUOTE (White_Sheath @ Oct 14 2007, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think that if your cheap enough, you will face your camera upwards and do the trick. with your hand facing the camera making it look like you made it disappear when in reality its just laying on top of your hand...
in this video... if you watch closely on the right side you see his head...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-AVqBmQQj8&mode=related&search=
ya exactly what i was thinking...
i dont see any other way then just having some sort of special pen and practice the
finger and forearm technique. i'm gunna try that in my next video lol. -
Date: Tue, Oct 16 2007 09:52:01
but when u finish doing it [like when the pen comes out from behind your hand] yu have to like sumhow flash ur other hand over the pen while its coming bak so it dusnt look like its been hidden but seems like its disapeered
u get me? -
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 04:54:52
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QVyjvdFBye8
Great demonstration.
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Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 10:06:05
here.. watch this vid
Watch the iSonic bit really really closely. At his TF you can see this dark area above it(Note that his pen is black) sure, that could just be a shadow.. ( of his pen?) but then look at his Ring finger and middle finger as he closes his fingers. You can see this dark bulge coming out from the right side of his ring finger but you can also so another dark bulge coming from the right side of his middle.
I think that means that the pen is rested on top of the BASE of the middle,ring and thumflap. -
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 11:32:39
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=N5UZ0qmFDA4
my iSonic bad quality but you can see something 
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Date: Sun, Nov 25 2007 00:41:13QUOTE (WhiteFang @ Oct 21 2007, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that's what makes it special/
So basically you either learn it by word of mouth,
or practice until you break your hand.
Am I right? -
Date: Thu, Nov 29 2007 23:50:04
its like a magic trick. and magicians never reveal their secrets!
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Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 07:58:13
Bonkura's Isonics were so great because no one knew how he did them, if he told people, it wouldn't have influenced the art as much anyway
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Date: Thu, Dec 27 2007 23:48:55
i used an auto clicker and it rapidly clicked the pause button 100 times every 2 seconds for me and i saw the pen just dissapere....
no im not crazy, try it yourself, i dunno the link for the autoclicker but if you google autoclicker you should get a good one -
Date: Fri, Dec 28 2007 00:49:57
One of my friends told me he used magicians wax... i don't know...
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Date: Fri, Dec 28 2007 02:07:27
Mhig can do it... ask him.
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Date: Thu, Jan 24 2008 09:08:50
then how do you guys explain that he shows his hand like palm down and palm up to the cam?
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Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 19:35:30
Show us a video where he shows the back of the hand while the pen is gone. The only vids I've seen where he does the iSonic only had the front of his hand either still or moving side to side slowly.
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Date: Sat, Jan 26 2008 21:28:33
Explain This:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w-AVqBmQQj8 -
Date: Tue, Jan 29 2008 13:39:20
ummm... my new I sonic:
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUr3_BE2Ds -
Date: Tue, Jan 29 2008 15:39:06
Cienki, how do u do this i-sonic?
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Date: Tue, Jan 29 2008 16:21:46
Oha this is hard. How have you do it???
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Date: Tue, Jan 29 2008 17:28:18
white pen (exacly plastic stick), and double sided tape on it
but you have to pay atention when you do sonics and charges the best solution is infinity combo 
if I will get see-throuhh tape I'll splice it on back of my hand
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Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 03:45:00
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW. Wow thats a really simple solution
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Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 06:18:31
Yeah, but I don't think that's how Bonkura does it since he shows the back of his hand to the camera.
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Date: Mon, Sep 22 2008 10:16:27QUOTE (j147l @ Sep 22 2008, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yeah, but I don't think that's how Bonkura does it since he shows the back of his hand to the camera.
He never said it was Bonkura's method and you just revived an extremely old thread.. -
Date: Wed, Sep 24 2008 08:10:25QUOTE (White_Sheath @ Oct 15 2007, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think that if your cheap enough, you will face your camera upwards and do the trick. with your hand facing the camera making it look like you made it disappear when in reality its just laying on top of your hand...
in this video... if you watch closely on the right side you see his head...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-AVqBmQQj8&mode=related&search=
Then how does the pen drop down when he lets it go? That's probably not his head. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:21:55QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Sep 24 2008, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Then how does the pen drop down when he lets it go? That's probably not his head.
He just leiguns the pen to his other hand. If you notice, what is supposedly the "ground", which is actually a ceiling, there's no shadow of his hand. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:41:25
outsmash, IT'S OK TO REVIVE THREADS IF IT'S RELEVANT
and should we really be revealing the secrets to bonkura's isonic? i know how to do all of them, but idk if we should let it out like that... -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:57:20
Well, this thread WAS created because someone wanted to find out the secret. Basically, you can do it one of three ways:
1. Using double sided tape/adhesive to stick the pen to your hand.
2. Film your combo palm down from below and when you do the isonic, balance the pen on top of your hand. However, if you use this method, you are limited to Charges, Passes, and Sonics since a shadow or infinity would give it away.
3. Bend your hand at a 45 degree angle and pin the pen between your finger and your arm. This is, I believe the way that Bonkura does it. However, it requires your hand to be extremely flexible. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 05:03:02
well i guess everyone already figured out
so yea, method 3 is what he does in his second solo
method 2 is what he does the other times
method 1 is retarded, lol sorry -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 05:12:42QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Sep 24 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well i guess everyone already figured out
so yea, method 3 is what he does in his second solo
method 2 is what he does the other times
method 1 is retarded, lol sorry
There's a lot of Youtube videos that blatantly use method 1 though. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 05:14:41
keyword blatantly
which is what makes it retarded -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 14:16:25
I personally think Bonkura used method 1 in his 2nd solo, like Cienki showed; not 3, because I don't see that angle between his arm and hand.
Oh, and there's also a 4th method:
4. While holding the pen wih 13/24/... ,pressing it against the wall or table, depending on the angle you are filming. Then you can open your hand, using only a finger to press the pen, and being invisible to the camera. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 17:11:38
There's also another method, when you first do the isonic, you canuse needle nose pliers or whatever to take the pen from behind your hand, and then just put it back when you're done.
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:16:52QUOTE (matthewk206 @ Sep 25 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>There's also another method, when you first do the isonic, you canuse needle nose pliers or whatever to take the pen from behind your hand, and then just put it back when you're done.
Are you sure that would work? O_o
The pen would slip if you're not holding it hard enough, and if you are holding it hard enough then you could crack the pen. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:26:36
yea idk about that one, but the table method works too
and no, 2nd solo he definitely uses the arm method. You can see him bend his wrist back, plus, look at the ring finger compared to his hand and arm. It's unnaturally static -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:59:55QUOTE (Freeman @ Sep 25 2008, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I personally think Bonkura used method 1 in his 2nd solo, like Cienki showed; not 3, because I don't see that angle between his arm and hand.
He definitely used method three here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSY5at-LJyw
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:01:08
no... he's definitely using method 2
...that deserves a facepalm, i'll resist -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 07:40:55
I don't get Matthewk206's method.
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 08:31:14
Hi ^^
This is my I-sonic:
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=_ooShDLvCGw
I think I'm using this Bonkura's method: http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ZDXzhKVAs
But I'm not really sure :/, because I don't know his method ^^' -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 19:06:30
how ever he does it hes amazing
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Date: Tue, Sep 30 2008 01:54:53QUOTE (Apple @ Sep 26 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>how ever he does it hes amazingQUOTE (j147l @ Sep 24 2008, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>1. Using double sided tape/adhesive to stick the pen to your hand.
2. Film your combo palm down from below and when you do the isonic, balance the pen on top of your hand. However, if you use this method, you are limited to Charges, Passes, and Sonics since a shadow or infinity would give it away.
3. Bend your hand at a 45 degree angle and pin the pen between your finger and your arm. This is, I believe the way that Bonkura does it. However, it requires your hand to be extremely flexible.
4. Pressing the pen against a table, wall, floor, etc. when the pen is held behind the fingers
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Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 00:26:09QUOTE (White_Sheath @ Oct 14 2007, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think that if your cheap enough, you will face your camera upwards and do the trick. with your hand facing the camera making it look like you made it disappear when in reality its just laying on top of your hand...
in this video... if you watch closely on the right side you see his head...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-AVqBmQQj8&mode=related&search=
what about this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-AVqBmQQj8...ted&search=
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Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 00:32:33QUOTE (haha_21 @ Sep 30 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That was a camera trick, his palm is facing the camera and what is supposed to be ground is actually the ceiling. To make it disappear, he just did the combo palm down or palm up, and when he made it disappear behind his finger, he just balanced it on his hand. -
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 01:17:20
for Xternal and whoever doesnt understand the 2nd solo method
i know it looks horrible but i couldnt get it to stay without holding it, so i put on my jacket and kinda cheated
but yea, it's like that, fingers open, palm up
and EXTREMELY hard to do -
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 04:08:21QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Oct 3 2008, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>for Xternal and whoever doesnt understand the 2nd solo method
i know it looks horrible but i couldnt get it to stay without holding it, so i put on my jacket and kinda cheated
but yea, it's like that, fingers open, palm up
and EXTREMELY hard to do
Wow...You have such a flexible hand, unlike me. I'm still working on how to pin the pen there, but it's hard since I have such an inflexible hand. -
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 07:37:39
oO
i cant even get a 90 angle on my wrist...
and i cant even do this thing lol, it was sideways and i had to put the jacket on so it could kinda rest on it... so im not really doing it >< -
Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 12:36:19
#*($.
i can forget about this
but thanks shadowerspant
i did try that method, but the pen eventually slides off.
whoever who can do this is a wonder.
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Date: Thu, Oct 9 2008 18:35:06
So how does this guy do it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVyjvdFBye8
I don't see anything unusual about his camera angle. He isn't using any adhesives. And he shows you the back of his hand, so he isn't pinning it between a finger and his arm. Where does the pen go?
Thanks in advance. -
Date: Sun, Oct 12 2008 13:14:19QUOTE (Samir @ Oct 10 2008, 02:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So how does this guy do it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVyjvdFBye8
I don't see anything unusual about his camera angle. He isn't using any adhesives. And he shows you the back of his hand, so he isn't pinning it between a finger and his arm. Where does the pen go?
Thanks in advance.
just stopped by this thread and couldnt resist logging in to post
i have no idea about that too.
can anyone tell us the answers:o.
but theres another way of i-sonic.. if ure wearing a watch u can prop it on your watch.
for those who didnt get what i meant...
Sorry if anyone has alr came up with it
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Date: Sun, Oct 12 2008 13:30:31QUOTE (Xternal @ Oct 12 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>just stopped by this thread and couldnt resist logging in to post
i have no idea about that too.
can anyone tell us the answers:o.
but theres another way of i-sonic.. if ure wearing a watch u can prop it on your watch.
using a watch is very easy, even I did it once: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIeas0mMSvc
although you can see my pen since it reflects the light from the window lol.
anyway, my best guess about that vid, is that when he's doing the iSonic, he's simply taking the pen with his other hand, then showing the back of his hand, putting the pen back, and continues. not that hard... -
Date: Sun, Oct 12 2008 22:44:06QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Oct 3 2008, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>for Xternal and whoever doesnt understand the 2nd solo method
i know it looks horrible but i couldnt get it to stay without holding it, so i put on my jacket and kinda cheated
but yea, it's like that, fingers open, palm up
and EXTREMELY hard to do
yeah thats how I tried it once, and it works, but it also hurts like a biznatch with a KT. And bonkura did it with his palm up, and with a white comssa metallic. Plus he ahd no sleeves or anything. I like the idea of the tape method, but I still don't know how he did that. -
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 03:30:11QUOTE (Sankaku @ Oct 12 2008, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yeah thats how I tried it once, and it works, but it also hurts like a biznatch with a KT. And bonkura did it with his palm up, and with a white comssa metallic. Plus he ahd no sleeves or anything. I like the idea of the tape method, but I still don't know how he did that.
Bonkura never used tape...But if you want to use tape, it works best with a Bictory/Bic Round Stic body because the body adheres well to the tape.
To do it, just put double sided tape on a finger, do an isonic, and the pen should stick to to the tape. -
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 03:50:39QUOTE (Resonance @ Oct 12 2008, 06:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>anyway, my best guess about that vid, is that when he's doing the iSonic, he's simply taking the pen with his other hand, then showing the back of his hand, putting the pen back, and continues. not that hard...
yea, many people try to imitate that method in such a crappy way it's absolutely horridQUOTE (Sankaku @ Oct 12 2008, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yeah thats how I tried it once, and it works, but it also hurts like a biznatch with a KT. And bonkura did it with his palm up, and with a white comssa metallic. Plus he ahd no sleeves or anything. I like the idea of the tape method, but I still don't know how he did that.
uh he definitely did it in his second solo
it's very easy to see based on his wrist movements
the fact is, i have horrible wrist flexibility -
Date: Thu, Oct 16 2008 01:11:29
he also used a camera trick where he put the camera on the floor and spun with it facing up, then the hiding was just putting it on top of his hand
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Date: Thu, Oct 16 2008 01:24:10QUOTE (hoiboy909 @ Oct 15 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>he also used a camera trick where he put the camera on the floor and spun with it facing up, then the hiding was just putting it on top of his hand
Yeah, that was established already.
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Date: Sat, Jan 17 2009 07:03:28
...could you people please.... READ THE THREAD
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Date: Sat, Jan 17 2009 10:38:05
um... what if bonkura had double sided tape on his arm?
*note i said arm not hand* -
Date: Sat, Jan 17 2009 12:01:15QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Oct 4 2008, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
for Xternal and whoever doesnt understand the 2nd solo method
i know it looks horrible but i couldnt get it to stay without holding it, so i put on my jacket and kinda cheated
but yea, it's like that, fingers open, palm up
and EXTREMELY hard to do
hellflame in THPSC can do that! he did it during the offine thailand spiinner championships but it took him about 2 tries before it would be pinned. its really hard to do -
Date: Tue, Dec 29 2009 21:10:02QUOTE (Resonance @ Oct 12 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>using a watch is very easy, even I did it once: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIeas0mMSvc
although you can see my pen since it reflects the light from the window lol.
anyway, my best guess about that vid, is that when he's doing the iSonic, he's simply taking the pen with his other hand, then showing the back of his hand, putting the pen back, and continues. not that hard...
lol thats rly fcking easy. u cant stick it for e.g. not between ur watch but between ur jacket. it wouldn't be so easy to know how u do that if u would place ur hand not erticaly but horizotaly -
Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 01:14:01QUOTE (Reminiscent @ Oct 10 2007, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Bonkura's iSonic was like, a Jesus trick. I don't think he stuck it between the back of his hand and his forearm 'cause I can't even do that while placing it D: If someone can, take a picture and show it to me from the front and back. Thanks in advance
Your fingers have to be extremely long and flexible. I have a friend who can do it but he doesn't penspin. If he started I bet he could be the second Bonkura xD (don't take offense, anybody, I know Bonkura can't be replaced) -
Date: Thu, Apr 15 2010 18:16:54
HOW DO U DO THE TRICK....????\
i sonic...easy
bonkura's version... IMPOSSIBLE..
help! -
Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 04:42:26
its really crazy when he spreads his fingers and it looks like the pen disapperared, when i first watched it, i was like wtf? i thought it was computer editing or something
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Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 14:25:39
in his first isonic apperence he hold it with his 34,but later he change it into a realllly smooth camera effect
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Date: Wed, Apr 21 2010 14:29:34
it's not a camera effect at all actually.
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Date: Thu, Apr 22 2010 00:19:53
The arm method just doesn't seem realistic to me... Maybe if somebody posted a video filming it from the other side I could believe it. But Waterfall and s777 can both do it with the same effect and you can tell in s777's video that he doesn't bend his wrist back too much. Maybe they put double-sided tape on the ends of the pen?
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Date: Tue, Apr 27 2010 04:15:01
When you are holding the pen with your ring and pointer behind your middle you can reach over with your other hand and slide it down your arm, then you can turn your hand, make a fist, or whatever you want then when you want the pen back you just slide it back up your arm, grab it with your fingers and continue. That's my trick of doing it.
