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Philosophy / How should one learn to spin a pen effectively?
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Date: Sun, Sep 21 2008 01:38:32
there are many ways for people to learn and master tricks... but lets focus on fundamentals.. which is what most people needs to go thru before moving to advances..
how should one learn to spin a pen effectively? for my personal preference, i uses long pencils and learn/master the trick, then reduce the length of my pencil and eventually end up using a normal pen length.... but is this effective? some people might say its more effective to start off using a normal length pen.
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Date: Sun, Sep 21 2008 02:38:58
I just keep trying the trick with a normal length pen until the trick eventually becomes consistent.
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Date: Sun, Sep 21 2008 10:45:02
Watching very slow videos, and have a great instructor =]
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Date: Sun, Sep 21 2008 11:05:38
I say with better spinners and I watch videos! I learn on normal pen!
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Date: Sun, Sep 21 2008 11:57:41
I agree. Having long pens does help a lot but i dont do it. I have tried though and it helps a lot..
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Date: Wed, Sep 24 2008 13:36:43
I would say start off with a normal pen.
Like me, i started with a G2 and now I mod pens and G2 feels too short. -
Date: Thu, Feb 12 2009 13:33:55
well, i started with a normal pencil. Lol...
I think it is good to start with a normal pen first, so it won't be a habit of young long pens to spin -
Date: Thu, Feb 12 2009 14:03:29
Have mod, watch tutorial, watch video, train, that is all.
There is no way to spin effectively... maybye how to spin non effectively like:
Learning trick in the middle of sleep, learning trick with spoon, try to learn trick just by name but dont know how to really do it, doing own tricks ( this doesnt reads when you are good, but there is not begginer who can make his new own trick... -
Date: Thu, Feb 12 2009 14:08:49
I think that u can do whatever makes u happy,
if u get a long pencil, use it if u think it will
help,
if u start off with a normal pen/pencil, use it
if u think it will help,
it depends on what type of penspinner u are.
i started with a highlighter, since its got
wide barrel (for charge and whatnot) -
Date: Thu, Feb 12 2009 15:55:01
enjoy while practice.
that the key that i always think.
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Date: Fri, Feb 13 2009 07:02:46
practice a bit everyday. if you dont u will start to lose it all!!!
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Date: Fri, Feb 13 2009 13:45:01
You will have to practice everyday and don't give up even when you drop your pen for over 9000 times consecutive.
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Date: Tue, Feb 17 2009 14:04:00QUOTE (Scandiacus @ Feb 13 2009, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You will have to practice everyday and don't give up even when you drop your pen for over 9000 times consecutive.
You did that before? Lol.
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Date: Fri, May 8 2009 15:21:07
Umm.. i think it's better to learn the fundamentals with a normal pen and then make pen mods to learn advanced tricks like bakfall, etc.
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Date: Fri, May 8 2009 17:15:56QUOTE (Scandiacus @ Feb 13 2009, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You will have to practice everyday and don't give up even when you drop your pen for over 9000 times consecutive.
Exactly, Dropping the pen is part of learning how to spin it. But if you never give up, you WILL get better without fail. -
Date: Fri, May 8 2009 20:49:24
1 word: PRACTICE
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Date: Sun, May 10 2009 06:37:57
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many times the pen will drop.
then pen you will spin. -
Date: Sun, May 10 2009 12:08:54
My philosophy to practice is to practice well, otherwise you just practice bad habits that will inhibit your future learning.
Whenever I want to learn a new trick, i take a mod (if you can do it 100% on a mod you can do it on just about anything) and sit cross legged on my bed for hours on end (for hard tricks). Sitting low to a soft surface means that if you do drop it (which you should, otherwise your not trying to do it enough) you can pick it up really quickly and efficiently, and the soft surface doesn't make that annoying dropping sound that annoys parents.
When applicable, learn it backwards! then learn interesting combos you can do with it! then move on to the next trick!
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Date: Sun, May 10 2009 12:24:42
try to get finger positions correct when learning stuff, it'll be hard to change it if you're used to bad position for a long time
get a number of mini combos smooth, helps with freestyles etc
learn fundamentals first, and try not to learn tricks too far ahead of your skill level
and practice xD -
Date: Sun, May 10 2009 15:32:55
originally i made a practice mod which in truth is just an unsharpned pencil with an elastic band wrapped on each end.
this means the mod is both light, well balance and gripped at the ends for infinities and weight at the ends. these in my opinion are some of the most ideal conditions for practice. i find that its harder to do most trick with a lighter mod, meaning it makes doin tricks on most other pens easier. -
Date: Sun, May 10 2009 18:19:07
For beginning, I learnt fondamental tricks.
After, I looked blogs. -
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 00:29:40
i started with an unsharpened pencil with medical tape on each end
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Date: Mon, May 11 2009 07:03:10
lol everyone used pencils. the first thing i modded was a metal chopstick which i still have.
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Date: Tue, May 12 2009 01:21:55
i learned TA with a normal pencil, i never look any tutorial except for shadow
now i use ayatori -
Date: Sun, May 24 2009 06:40:31
the best way is to PRACTICE,PRACTICE and PRACTICE!!!
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Date: Mon, Jun 22 2009 20:52:41
i use a bictory with g2 grips but at first an unsharpened pencil with 2 clear bic crystal pen caps 1 on each side with the clip steak-knifed off.
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Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 19:17:31
I posted in this before, so...
Start off with something light: unmodified pen/pencil, light mod, exc. No point in starting off with a Buster CYL. it'd kill your fingers. -
Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 04:26:07
Is it bad to use long pens? I'm using an unsharpened unmodded pencil right now and it feels more controlled than anything else I've tried. Pens feel way too short.
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Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 22:24:21QUOTE (balsafresh @ Nov 12 2009, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is it bad to use long pens? I'm using an unsharpened unmodded pencil right now and it feels more controlled than anything else I've tried. Pens feel way too short.
Generally, the longer the pen, the easier it is to spin. After about 25cm though, it gets ridiculous. Some would even argue 25cm is too long. Also, the heavier the ends, the easier it is to spin generally. Having longer pens with heavier weights on the tips will allow you to perform tricks slower than normal (not aerials, obviously--gravity cares not for your pen's mass and length). Rotational momentum is calculated by Torque/time. Torque is measured in radius times force (rF), so the higher the torque, the longer the time you can spend in one spin. (I might be wrong, but the gist of my post should be correct.)
Anyway, to answer your question, I wouldn't say that longer pens are bad to use, but they are easier to use. There's really no shame in using one. -
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 02:34:45
yeah at first i thought that to. i thought if i could get a mod i could spin better, but i still spun with regular pens and pencils and eventually i learned all my fundamentals. so just keep practicing.
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Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 19:23:37
How do you guys learn tricks? On your own, a video, your friend, a post, etc.
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Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 20:30:14
Mostly through videos, some experimenting and LOTS OF PRACTICE.
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Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 21:03:07
I watch collabs, combos, etc then learn a few mini combos from them
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Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 21:19:24
stalking eso.
o and in order to LEARN the trick, i usually use two hands to trace the path for like...half an hour T_T
then i actually try it for another 3 hours. then what happens is either:
a) i keep failing, get some sleep over it, and get it the next day after a bit more practice get the trick.
SO, if you have no life like me, go ahead and try that method. keep in mind this only applies to anything not related to hand around tricks (haitua...) and obscure spins (spiderspin...)
no jk, it works for everything. i just suck too hard. -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 00:01:10
Watching the trick/minicombo many times and trying it a billion more times will get you anywhere.
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 00:08:44
watch tutorials and repeat everything said or shown in the video step by step. watching the tricks in slow motion is sometimes helpful so you can see exactly how someone moves his hand or fingers and you can copy it.
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 00:22:13
I watch the vid a couple times, and then i use my other hand to guide the pen in my spinning hand, so i know what it feels like. Then i just keep on doing the trick over and over again in class.
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 10:30:46
I watch tutorials. After learn in theory, then i try to practise it. If i can't do it, i try to do it in slow motion, i mean i move the pen slowly between my fingers or whatever. If i can't do it the trick again, then i use my other hand to see how pen moves between fingers.
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 11:58:57
Usually, just practice over and over. If I'm having trouble, a slow motion video is really all I ever use, although once or twice I've used a full video tutorial.
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 16:44:56
You just obsessively practice it for a few days, and usually you get it. It takes a lot of drive sometimes though so I suaully take a few months break in between each new trick, and I don't master it until the next year = \. But that's just me.
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 23:10:55
watch whatever trick as it is being done in slow motion. practice. is this thread really necessary?
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 23:16:23
i learn form friends and videos
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Date: Tue, Jan 12 2010 23:05:15
All i've got is videos, YouTube is like my best friend now and I thank the internet so much because without it, I think I would of never learned this amazing art.
I watch tutorials and do what I call "the flight path" on my hand assisted by my other hand. attempt to do the trick, analyze what I am doing right and wrong, fix mistakes, try again... and again, and again, and again and again. (aka practice) -
Date: Mon, Jan 18 2010 20:57:39
Hi thanks for the tips, I have just decided to learn and can't believe there is a forum about this! Are there any other good resources to learn from? I am great at slight of hand particularly with coins, does this give me an advantage?
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Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 03:11:13
i would doubt that would help but it might? Also the tricks forum and youtube are the best ways in my opinion to learn tricks
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Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 22:00:47
practice and watch videos for inspiration
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Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 19:58:57
Eso's tutorials = PS cheat codes