UPSB v3
Board Comments / the future of upsb...
stuff like beginner programs... yeah...
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:00:04
I couldn't help but notice the other day how we didn't even come close to winning in the world cup. I was wondering why don't we have a permanent UPSB team instead of voting on one every time...???
Also... why don't we implement beginner programs and stuff to help you get better... to create better quality spinners... (not that are current ones are crap...) -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:03:21
Sometimes people on UPSB aren't judged by their spinning, no they're judged by their name. And those people will never win anything.
UPSB is more of a community than a gathering of good spinners. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:12:43
i know... but anything can improve... that's my point here... is to improve how people think of us...
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:23:08
a permanent team?
that's rediculous...
it's not impossible to move up the ranks, you know
the best of the board one year aren't necessarily the best the next year...
and the point is to encourage people to improve isnt it?
yea i dont agree with that at all
as for beginner programs, this whole damn board is a beginner program, that's what it's here for -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:26:54
well... elect a new one every year or something...
and if we implement a beginner program... it gives a chance for people to learn... isn't that the point of this board? -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:30:06
Explain to me how the wiki isn't a so called beginner program.
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:31:39
UPSB is still the largest pen spinning forum out there...
And yeah, this forum IS to help you get better...EXACTLY! Look at Errior, he's decided to stop pen spinning...What would happen if members in this "permanent UPSB team" decided to quit or got worse or someone else who wasn't on the team was better? -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:31:56
yes that is what this board is for... thats what it's here for, and thats what it DOES, effectively
we're not a school, we can't send people to detention for not learning tricks. We have our resources set up for people to use them as they wish, and for the most part i think it's working pretty damn well
and vote every year? that's what we're doing. What if one of the permanent members quits, or just totally gets lazy and sucks, and we have to fire him? Why go through all that when you can get the very best spinners simply by voting on who has been the best of the year -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:32:32
There should be biggener programs held weekly, that would be nice, where a more advanced person would help beginers learn tricks using a webcam or something...
It would be a lot of trouble though and I doubt anybody would volunteer to do it > - <
I'm a 18 monther and I still consider myself a beginner = |
most people will see that there are only a few handful of active long time spinners, who are also very good, most of the really good people are completley new and ahve only been spinning for a couple months. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:35:08
oh, you mean like, recording extensive trick tutorials on all beginner and intermediate tricks that are easily accessible on youtube?
wouldn't it be cool if his name was like, eso, or something? -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:35:53
Also.. get rid of the spam.
Compare UPSB's trick section to the...GPC one for example http://forum.penspinning.de/viewforum.php?f=2 In every trick thread there are tips how to do the trick + a video of the trick. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:38:30
I'm sorry but what is this beginner program shit? We have like the world's best PS teacher (IMO) Eso. I honestly can't really believe what I'm reading, this is why UPSB is one of the bottom in relationship of pro's and noobs. It's like you guys expect every thing to be fucking given to you.
Oh yea not only do we have Eso but we also have the wiki, and countless threads on each individual trick (practically) . -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:39:36
we dont need vids in every thread, that would be spam in itself, because we have all that in the wiki, and the threads are for any additional comments or questions
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:42:18
other penspinning communities vote their spinners every year for the world cup
and ppl have to be motivated themselves to learn not be in some kind of program -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:43:07
In the last WC, it's obvious that UPSB was one of the strongest team.
If you follow through the whole WC, you will know what happened in between. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:43:27
UPSB will never catch up to boards like FPSB, JEB, SweSpin, GPC, BPST, etc spinning-wise. Just deal with it. YOu guys have a good time together on a board with 5000000 nice features, it's obvious that you don't spin much.
Also, most people on UPSB are from USA. In USA school mostly goes till 3 PM, in Germany, for example you have school till 1 PM only -> more time to practice. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:43:43
i know... but upsb has turned into a spammer forum, not a spinner forum...
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:45:17QUOTE (hoiboy909 @ Sep 24 2008, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i know... but upsb has turned into a spammer forum, not a spinner forum...
That's why there are moderators. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:46:31
The content of the forum is not the forum's fault, it's the spinners
stop spamming, and don't encourage others to spam, and start spinning, and whatever, but it isn't the board's damn fault and there's nothing we can do about it -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:47:40
its called CHANGE
(what we need...) -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:49:43QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Sep 24 2008, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The content of the forum is not the forum's fault, it's the spinners
stop spamming, and don't encourage others to spam, and start spinning, and whatever, but it isn't the board's damn fault and there's nothing we can do about it
SÃ.
Also. You don't have much chances of showing your combos to others and to actually get comments on what you need to improve, etc. You only have battles or 'Show Off Your Combos'. And you rarely get many combos in that thread.
You need more opportunities to show your spinning. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:50:11QUOTE (hoiboy909 @ Sep 24 2008, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>its called CHANGE
(what we need...)
What kind of change? More moderators? More trick tutorials? More helpful topics? Less spam? -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:51:48QUOTE (Fripâ„¢ @ Sep 24 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>SÃ.
Also. You don't have much chances of showing your combos to others and to actually get comments on what you need to improve, etc. You only have battles or 'Show Off Your Combos'. And you rarely get many combos in that thread.
You need more opportunities to show your spinning.
wtf are you talking about
we have battles, you can make solos, arrange collabs
and show off your combos is active as hell -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:51:58QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Sep 24 2008, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>oh, you mean like, recording extensive trick tutorials on all beginner and intermediate tricks that are easily accessible on youtube?
wouldn't it be cool if his name was like, eso, or something?
WE NEED BARACK OBAMA!!!
no but really.. they should put esos vid in the first post of each of the trick discusion thread pertaining to it - _ - not everyne goes to "youtube" to look up penspinning, some people come to HERE to find advice which is what we want them to do... -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:53:49
...eso is beyond well established...
if anyone asks for a trick tutorial we say go HERE, to ESO
or we say READ THE WIKI, and when they go there they will see Eso/Sketching's vid -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:55:15QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 24 2008, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>WE NEED BARACK OBAMA!!!
no but really.. they should put esos vid in the first post of each of the trick discusion thread pertaining to it - _ - not everyne goes to "youtube" to look up penspinning, some people come to HERE to find advice which is what we want them to do...
Yeah, but then they find out from this forum that Eso has really nice tutorials on Youtube, and then go watch them. Besides, there's already a thread for video tutorials. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:55:32QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Sep 24 2008, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>wtf are you talking about
we have battles, you can make solos, arrange collabs
and show off your combos is active as hell
People only post their videos. Only about 50% of the combos get commented. It's just a whole lot of difference if you have a thread for yourself, on your own where you can post your videos.
But hey, I don't really care what you guys will change-I have GPC. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:57:18
i was thinking of suggesting a 'personal thread' option
but that's not even the main focus of the TC so ok then -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 01:59:53QUOTE (Fripâ„¢ @ Sep 24 2008, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>People only post their videos. Only about 50% of the combos get commented. It's just a whole lot of difference if you have a thread for yourself, on your own where you can post your videos.
But hey, I don't really care what you guys will change-I have GPC.
except that if every member had their own thread over 3/4 of the people won't be commented on anyways... just show your stuff in the show off your combos thread, if no one comments just keep trying harder and someone will eventually notice improvement
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:02:59
In the GPC everybody gets comments, look http://forum.penspinning.de/viewforum.php?f=24
But I guess the users are just totally different. (Different as in positively different.) -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:05:17QUOTE (Fripâ„¢ @ Sep 24 2008, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>People only post their videos. Only about 50% of the combos get commented. It's just a whole lot of difference if you have a thread for yourself, on your own where you can post your videos.
But hey, I don't really care what you guys will change-I have GPC.
Personally, I feel that the board is fine as it is right now and that it DOES NOT need any changes. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:05:46QUOTE (Fripâ„¢ @ Sep 24 2008, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>In the GPC everybody gets comments, look http://forum.penspinning.de/viewforum.php?f=24
But I guess the users are just totally different. (Different as in positively different.)
but the last few pages the threads are completely outdated...
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:07:23QUOTE (j147l @ Sep 24 2008, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yeah, but then they find out from this forum that Eso has really nice tutorials on Youtube, and then go watch them. Besides, there's already a thread for video tutorials.
Are you kidding me? Do you know how many fanboys Eso has that aren't registered on UPSB? They beg him and comment him to send him RSVP MXs. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:14:18
We have quite a few people who just registered here just to spam in SB, not really to spin
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:18:01
We need more constructive criticism on all of the videos being
released by UPSB members, not just "good job" or "awesome" -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:22:57QUOTE (AwonW @ Sep 24 2008, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We need more constructive criticism on all of the videos being
released by UPSB members, not just "good job" or "awesome"
Don't even try. It's ridiculous you'll get flamed all over by people telling you how mean you are. Especially if the criticised member is one with many profile views. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:25:25QUOTE (AwonW @ Sep 24 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We need more constructive criticism on all of the videos being
released by UPSB members, not just "good job" or "awesome"
Why's that?
People don't necessarily need constructive criticism to improve. All they have to do is look at some pro spinner's solo or a collab of pros and they would just go like "Man, I really want to learn that"
It's motivation, not constructive criticism in this case -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:26:11
its not being mean if you tell them like
[one thing i liked was...]
[one thing you can improve is...]
and so forth... -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:27:03
@frip
that's because constructive critisism is not, "You suck"
i made comments against look into the sun's combo regarding smoothness, and it went over fine. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:27:29QUOTE (Fripâ„¢ @ Sep 24 2008, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Don't even try. It's ridiculous you'll get flamed all over by people telling you how mean you are. Especially if the criticised member is one with many profile views.
I suppose that's a huge part of the problem isn't it? -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:29:20
i think the problem is that there isn't enough support on upsb... which starts contributing to low self confidence... which is what we DON'T want to achieve with this board...
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:47:47
Do you mean a beginner program and stuff like every week have something like a video conference? I think that would be pretty cool...I mean it's not like Eso goes over ALL the problems some people have because everyone learns in a different way. But how would that work...like...a video conference with one spinner showing everyone and people make text comments or whatever...? Dangit I can't figure out how to make that work...
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:53:24
something like skype?
cuz it uses video chat...
but i really don't like that idea... who would commit to that? -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 02:54:48QUOTE (hoiboy909 @ Sep 24 2008, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>something like skype?
cuz it uses video chat...
but i really don't like that idea... who would commit to that?
I don't thin ANYONE would commit to that. There's not a whole lot of commitment
in UPSB. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 03:12:25
Here's my ideas as to why UPSB is low in skill level when compared to other high level boards in the world:
1) There's too many discussion, debates, arguments, etc. about styles. I've never seen so much talk about a damn style and discouraging fellow members from following whatever path they want to take. The whole "old school vs. new school" debates have, IMO, crippled this board and has scared a lot of the regular members into thinking that they should spend more time into developing new tricks instead of strengthening the existing tricks and taking it to another level.
2) Too much talk in general. So many members here just love talking, talking, talking instead of actually spending time doing links. There's too many arguments, debates, and whatever instead of just focusing on getting better. Since there's so many topics going on, a lot of us just spend our time browsing the boards and freestyling the same minicombos instead of actually working on getting better. I found myself doing that and I've been trying to ignore the other areas of the board.
3) I don't know about the average age of members in other boards but I'm sure it's the same as here. But for some reason, there's way too many flamers, flame baiters, spammers, and assholes around here that all give a negative mood around here. Sometimes I feel like this is a mini 4chan instead of a PS board.
4) The majority of the members here just don't care about PS THAT much. Sure you might do it every second you got but how much time do you actually spend REAL practice, such as learning a new trick, or actually getting a trick you already know even smoother?
I am registered on other boards such as SPSC, JEB, GPC, and HKPSA... I only really check JEB and I noticed that there's hardly any talk going on in there. ESPECIALLY in the collabs section.
I really hate reason #3. Probably the reason why we need so many moderators in the first place. Seems like most never want to play nice. Never.
For those of you that actually care about UPSB's image on the world-wide scale, I suggest you think about the 4 points I wrote and do something about it.
As for me, I'm always continually improving but I'm a slow learner and I improve even slower. I hope to join the elites of UPSB one day.
Also, we don't need a beginner's program. If you want UPSB to get better as a whole, we would need a program to push the intermediate to advanced spinners. So far, there's the Ladder and battles. That's where most of the stagnation is happening, IMO. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 03:26:04QUOTE (Eso @ Sep 24 2008, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I am registered on other boards such as SPSC, JEB, GPC, and HKPSA... I only really check JEB and I noticed that there's hardly any talk going on in there. ESPECIALLY in the collabs section.
QFT. I dont check JEB that often anymore but when i did check their forums daily i was quite surprised how inactive their forum seemed. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 03:33:42
UPSB doesnt really have any advanced spinner help....
Shure we have eso's tutorials but they only go so far, they cant teach you to learn how to become an amazing spinner jsut by knowing all of the tricks...
lol
There needs to be more organization and a big yellow line of rules that people should HAVE to follow to keep this board clean, an I should start typing better so people can actually read what i say > - <.
To much philosiphy and people trying to develop new tricks and to little people coming up with new ideas about ticks and how they can be preformed better... i'd say over three fourths of the penspinning on this forums are just collaborations and battles.... -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 03:33:54QUOTE (AoD1 @ Sep 24 2008, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Stop fucking bragging about your GPC! If all of GPCs shit is better then dont even come here.
on topic, UPSB shouldnt change.
I'm just using GPC as example because I know how it is there and so I'm Not telling wrong stuff. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 03:49:31
A good thing i should say, is that UPSB is most active than it has ever been in the past 1-2 years .. so that's a maybe good thing? the site could use a good overhaul and seem more "proffesionaL" .... maybe a UPSB website a long with the forums?
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 03:57:25
People would rather talk than pen spin, and you can't really blame them its just how it is.
The way this board is set-up, there are so many opportunities for discussion, they overlap the general pen spinning part of this forum. The average age for members doesn't help that factor either. It just creates more immature situations, some of you have already witnessed.
I agree that this board is very active, which is a great thing because of the great communication between spinners near you, or spinners from another country. But you can't have both great reputation & a high amount of activity in a board, if you can, I haven't seen it. Its either one or the other and we all know which side we picked. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 03:57:57QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 24 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>UPSB doesnt really have any advanced spinner help....
Shure we have eso's tutorials but they only go so far, they cant teach you to learn how to become an amazing spinner jsut by knowing all of the tricks...
lol
There needs to be more organization and a big yellow line of rules that people should HAVE to follow to keep this board clean, an I should start typing better so people can actually read what i say > - <.
To much philosiphy and people trying to develop new tricks and to little people coming up with new ideas about ticks and how they can be preformed better... i'd say over three fourths of the penspinning on this forums are just collaborations and battles....
thats because you can't teach someone to become an amazing spinner. Once you know all the tricks, you just do it yourself, and you can't blame anyone else because you don't want to do it.
and you can't just make new tricks like growing agriculture or something
there aren't many more tricks out there...
EVERYTHING is a hybrid
and thus everything is up to you to figure out
Eso, i agree with most of your stuff, but i have one thing of my own
my biggest issue with this board is discrimination
yes, discrimination
i find that most new members come to the boards and are greeted with,
"Hey, heavy mods are bad. Use this pen and spin like this. Otherwise, you're a noob."
i'm not saying everyone should spin heavy and stuff, i'm just saying that most styles fall somewhere in between heavy and light, and i dont like that new members are often encouraged to go light, as if the alternative is utterly unthinkable. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:01:09QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Sep 24 2008, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>thats because you can't teach someone to become an amazing spinner. Once you know all the tricks, you just do it yourself, and you can't blame anyone else because you don't want to do it.
and you can't just make new tricks like growing agriculture or something
there aren't many more tricks out there...
EVERYTHING is a hybrid
and thus everything is up to you to figure out
Eso, i agree with most of your stuff, but i have one thing of my own
my biggest issue with this board is discrimination
yes, discrimination
i find that most new members come to the boards and are greeted with,
"Hey, heavy mods are bad. Use this pen and spin like this. Otherwise, you're a noob."
i'm not saying everyone should spin heavy and stuff, i'm just saying that most styles fall somewhere in between heavy and light, and i dont like that new members are often encouraged to go light, as if the alternative is utterly unthinkable.
Yeah, but they'll know when to switch over to a heavier mod when they can't do any more good tricks with their Bictory mod. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:03:21
or they'll just keep going with their bictory until they can.
thats not the point really
i respect any style, i don't care what they choose
i just don't appreciate the ANTI-heavy attitude -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:10:42
The anti heavy attitude has no ground whatsoever
I spin well with an unmodified bictory, but Ill fail with an mx of any kind.
I choose to spin with heavier mods.
@Shadow
Exactly, and with lots of people TRYING to come up with new tricks or posting spam its just nonsense...
And the problem with this board is that people are TRYING to teach people to become expert pen spinners with there style and philosophy talk, They dont focus on the core of the tricks, because that's what a board should almost anybody can learn a trick with good teaching and dedication, but it's how they preform it that really counts, there to many people trying to TELL people how they should preform. To many people trying to tell people how to spin and to many people making videos.... -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:13:24
agreed
but idk what you're saying about no ground oO -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:16:03
Because it's not about weight.... I luv bictories... there light but I get good momentum for back arrounds etc.
When I try to spin with an mx its unstable and unpredictable = |
There all just opinions which aren't really important...
Suggestions are useful and nice, but lots of people here try to force there will upon others > - < -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:26:57
its more of people forcing others to learn their way... like the board isn't personalized enough... (not that you (Kam) should go and work your butt off personalizing it)
i mean... personally... i like short and light mods
as an afternote... the board needs an attitude shift... really -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:28:59
...where did Kam come in?
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:29:13QUOTE (hoiboy909 @ Sep 24 2008, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>its more of people forcing others to learn their way... like the board isn't personalized enough... (not that you (Kam) should go and work your butt off personalizing it)
i mean... personally... i like short and light mods
See? that's an opinion, but who cares what mod YOU like when you look at another person video? (just using you as an ex)
There could be a thread that asks what is your favorite mod, but knowing this board, it'd turn into WHY is this mod better than another... which is bad....
@ shadow, Kam made the board. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:30:42
my point is that opinions are good, but not when you try to make it a fact
going back to shoeman6's point... this is turning into a who's opinion matters more topic... -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:38:34
To much talk, to little action.
One day I hope to live to see UPSB become the center of pen spinning arround the world where people from all over can gather and culminate.
So far, UPSB seems more like the UNITED NATIONS
Where nothing ever gets done because America is to stubborn to bow down to other countries...
Board clean-up? UPSB is going through a financial crisis, rich are getting richer (pros getting proer) and he newbs are getting newbier...
But even the pros are reaching the limits UPSB has to offer... -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:42:12
@shoeman
i find that statement.... extremely retarded
upsb IS the center of the penspinning world, it's where all the other boards meet.
UN? bowing down? wtf are you talking about
pro's getting pro-er is not bad in any slight way
noobs getting noobier is their own damn fault, and not very possible, and very retarded. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:47:02QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Sep 24 2008, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>UN? bowing down? wtf are you talking about
It's a comparison. America won't compromise in the United Nations because China is excluded, and currently China is America's economic rival. China argues that it shouldn't have to take part since it's a developing country while the U.S. argues that it isn't. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 04:49:24
i know it's a comparison...
how is that supposed to pertain to us -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 05:30:25
ditto...
but anyways... we're still brainstorming... *cough*
(yes... even i don't believe what i say...) -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 05:40:14QUOTE (hoiboy909 @ Sep 24 2008, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ditto...
but anyways... we're still brainstorming... *cough*
(yes... even i don't believe what i say...)
Why do you want to change UPSB though? It's fine the way it is.
Well, apart from the spam. But moderators could probably fix that though. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 05:45:50
I dont kno about you guys, but i certainly didnt get to where i am now by begging pros to help me. No offence to eso, but i dont think ive used any of his tutorials either. Much of what i learned was actually through the ps conclave wiki. The way i see it, the only way that you can expect upsb to impove is to have more spinners with the actual determination to become "pro"
there needs to be less fanboys, less modding, and as said before less spam and talk -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 06:00:19
Haha so i think the point has been made...threads like this fuel our need to "discuss and analyze" how to get better instead of going the old-fashion route of simply putting in excessive hours of practice to get pro. Ironic, no?
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 06:19:23
well, if you're dedicated, like i am, you would be practicing WHILE you read and discuss xP
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 06:32:13
...which isn't possible following what Eso and others have written here :D
Like Pho said, you need to want to become pro. A lot of IRL friends of mine who want to learn stuff ask me for help, and sure I can help them, but I can't make them improve. When I was your ago, pluto was still a... Wait, I mean I used the PS Conclave like Pho said. Now you've got the wiki instead. Look through threads, find something written about a trick you don't recognize, go to the Wiki and look it up. Learn it. Do over again. Practice. My friends don't go through all that trouble to get better, so I doubt they'll ever be really good.
I've pretty much stopped improving since the release of v3. Too much time spent on the forum browsing, not quite enough info on how to progress from where I am now.
Less talk more spinn. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 06:43:21QUOTE (K4S @ Sep 24 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Haha so i think the point has been made...threads like this fuel our need to "discuss and analyze" how to get better instead of going the old-fashion route of simply putting in excessive hours of practice to get pro. Ironic, no?
Yeah, we probably need to analyze how much of this forum is "useful" to new pen spinners who want to learn new tricks. But I still believe that practice is still the key to become pro at pen spinning.
Anyways hoiboy909(who goes to my school), congratulations on starting a topic that has 71 replies. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 12:22:01QUOTE (pholord @ Sep 25 2008, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I dont kno about you guys, but i certainly didnt get to where i am now by begging pros to help me. No offence to eso, but i dont think ive used any of his tutorials either. Much of what i learned was actually through the ps conclave wiki. The way i see it, the only way that you can expect upsb to impove is to have more spinners with the actual determination to become "pro"
there needs to be less fanboys, less modding, and as said before less spam and talk
QFT.QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Sep 25 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well, if you're dedicated, like i am, you would be practicing WHILE you read and discuss xP
Show some results. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 12:59:36
i fail to see how a permanent team increases your chances of winning.
if someone is guaranteed a spot of a team, he won't have any pressure to improve to keep his spot.
ok about the problem of no skill:
some ppl say this board has too much discussion, i dont see how that has to do with anything. it's just an illusion. you have ppl that train hard everyday, and you have those that just hang around. if you remove those that just hang around, you're not gonna increase the number of ppl who train hard. like others have said, if you want to become better, you need to find this drive in you. it's called freedom. Nobody is gonna force you to become better if you're not committed yourself. Nobody's forcing you to talk as well. So if pen spinners here want to change their attitude to improve, it's not something the moderators can do. We already got the ladder set up but if nobody's using it then it's not really our fault. Ppl have to decided within themselves that they want to practice seriously. Likewise spammers, even if you completely get rid of them, it's not like they're gonna become elite spinners.
Ok about the part saying this is the UN. UPSB has 2 functions:.\
1) To serve as a hub for spinners all over the world in order for them to communicate[.
2) To serve as the main community for spinners who don't have their own community already.
Because of 1), we get a lot of discussion here. And because of 1), it seems that ppl think we should be the best spinners in 2), but I don't think it's that necessary. Because in reality the community is smaller than it appears to be.
BTW the part about UPSB being weak only because we did badly in the WC is stupid because KPSA and FPSB got eliminated first round as well but nobody saying they're bad spinners. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:03:02
well links should be forwarded to the new UPSB because everyday I still click on alink on google and go to the old board...
A new penspinner googling penspinning or something lke that would most likely end up in the old board and be dreadfully confused, I know I was when I first started and was on the old board...
SAYIN THAT it's not a bad thing to have new spinners, in fact it may be something to be proud of, with new spinners comes new ideas, and the spread of pen spinning as a whole =]
Besides, teaching a trick is the best way to really learn a trick yourself ;D
from pentrix "The UPSB is a project brought to you by the colaboration of many pen spinners, as well as the author of this site. The purpose of UPSB is to create a central location where pen spinners can go and discuss their PS needs. This helps users locate the most important information quickly because they don't have to register and search on multiple PS message boards to find what they need.
Due to the fact that many PS web sites use the UPSB, the UPSB is linked to each of these sites, but it's also independent of them at the same time. The look and feel of the UPSB is independent of any PS site. "
Frankly the only reason I use UPSB is because its the only board i know in english.. I see less of the other boards using UPSB as a gathering place and more of UPSB becoming a group of rag tag pen spinners with only a few greats... Having good pen spinners doesnt make the board a good board... -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:26:55
just look at this topic... spammed into 4 pages already =.=
and its like... page 2-3 is like yesterday
ps: oh... this thread is opened like yesterday =.=
im only on here when im spinning or at school
why spinning? cuz i spin and learn, it makes time goes faster.. i dont even bother replying when spinning
i like penspinning, and i have my target to achieve in PS
most people either lack one target or just too lazy to work for it
(im currently spamming fingerpass and i said to my friend countless time i hate fingerpass, but im still doing it!)
also, i think this board have too many topics... who needs general discussion when there is shoutbox.. (my opinion)
the board really only needs trading, modding and tricks... or battles >__>
i also think PSing isnt a hobby to spam... just like instruments.. people just get their pens and spin for like 15mins and stop?
(oh... i got lots of friends that does that, and they complain to me how suck they are =.=)
(and i mean, i suck too... but i spend more time on it... so im good =])
yah... anyways lesson is gonna start so i shall spin in class again!
bye =.= -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:35:29QUOTE (FurBelz~ @ Sep 25 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>just look at this topic... spammed into 4 pages already =.=Well IMHO if people really wanted to battle there or make colabs thats not what all a board should do... just think, no general discussion, general discussion is one of the last places that isn't completley corrupt...
and its like... page 2-3 is like yesterday
ps: oh... this thread is opened like yesterday =.=
im only on here when im spinning or at school
why spinning? cuz i spin and learn, it makes time goes faster.. i dont even bother replying when spinning
i like penspinning, and i have my target to achieve in PS
most people either lack one target or just too lazy to work for it
(im currently spamming fingerpass and i said to my friend countless time i hate fingerpass, but im still doing it!)
also, i think this board have too many topics... who needs general discussion when there is shoutbox.. (my opinion)
the board really only needs trading, modding and tricks... or battles >__>
i also think PSing isnt a hobby to spam... just like instruments.. people just get their pens and spin for like 15mins and stop?
(oh... i got lots of friends that does that, and they complain to me how suck they are =.=)
(and i mean, i suck too... but i spend more time on it... so im good =])
yah... anyways lesson is gonna start so i shall spin in class again!
bye =.=
TO many people battleing TO many people trying t make Collabs...
And what's happening is UPSB needs someone like Barack Obama.
thats just MHO
j/k but your idea is horrible, people could just go to mebeam and spin all they wunt and chat thatd be just like UPSB... (sarcasticly) that's basiccly what youare proposing...
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:40:29QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 24 2008, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>To much talk, to little action.
One day I hope to live to see UPSB become the center of pen spinning arround the world where people from all over can gather and culminate.
So far, UPSB seems more like the UNITED NATIONS
Where nothing ever gets done because America is to stubborn to bow down to other countries...
Board clean-up? UPSB is going through a financial crisis, rich are getting richer (pros getting proer) and he newbs are getting newbier...
But even the pros are reaching the limits UPSB has to offer...QUOTE (Sfsr @ Sep 24 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>...which isn't possible following what Eso and others have written here
Like Pho said, you need to want to become pro. A lot of IRL friends of mine who want to learn stuff ask me for help, and sure I can help them, but I can't make them improve. When I was your ago, pluto was still a... Wait, I mean I used the PS Conclave like Pho said. Now you've got the wiki instead. Look through threads, find something written about a trick you don't recognize, go to the Wiki and look it up. Learn it. Do over again. Practice. My friends don't go through all that trouble to get better, so I doubt they'll ever be really good.
I've pretty much stopped improving since the release of v3. Too much time spent on the forum browsing, not quite enough info on how to progress from where I am now.
Less talk more spinn.
Are you serious? Saying that UPSB is the reason your limits have been reached? That doesn't even make sense. If your 'UPSB' limit has been reached, then are you saying that everyone that will become pro will eventually have come to their limit because UPSB doesn't have enough to offer? If you're a pro, then you make the limits dammit. Not even a limit, there always somewhere to improve. It's up to you to figure out where and how. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:40:57
i have no idea what ur talking about shoeman, how is killing the activity on the board going to help improve the skill of UPSB, how is reducing the number of battles and collabs gonna help improve the skill, what is a board clean up anyway
on one hand you say a good board doesn't necessiraly have good spinners then you say upsb doesn't have good spinners, so wtf???
why are ppl saying your personal skills are defined by what board you visit?? ppl who are elite RAISE the limits of pen spinning, they dont stall at the top, isn't that obvious??? -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:43:53
Well, someone earlier was complaining about the amount of spam on this board.
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:44:10
its not the board content that has to change...
its the pser's attitude that has to... they treat this like **** -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:56:24QUOTE (j147l @ Sep 25 2008, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well, someone earlier was complaining about the amount of spam on this board.
well im not against that, the battle against spam is always on-going, it's impossible for a public forum to eliminate spam 100%, but i fail to see how it has any effect on the skill of pen spinners, because like I said elite spinners are not the spammers themselves.
and I know full well that UPSB is very casual right now but it's not possible to change that anymore. Pentrix forum used to be very close because the ppl there were the ones truly motivated about pen spinning that they took the effort to even search for the forum. Now it's like more accessible so the number of ppl has increased a lot, but the number of serious ppl has increased that much. So it appears as if there are less serious spinners than before, but it's only an illusion.
to me it's impossible to change the attitude of the ppl who werent that committed to PS anyway. you can maybe improve a little bit, but if ppl are not putting the effort, you can't force them anything. so the only solution I found was to create a Research Department, so that spinners could discuss serious stuff in there. But beyond that I don't see how it can be done...
The other solution, I think, is to be like JEB. Their forum is only casual, and the elite spinners don't use it AT ALL. They're like celebrities who make only few public appearnaces through videos or battles. Instead they communicate privately using MSN or whatever. And if you become familiar with them or become elite enough, you might be able to join their clique, but it's a really vague process. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:57:12QUOTE (Zombo @ Sep 25 2008, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i have no idea what ur talking about shoeman, how is killing the activity on the board going to help improve the skill of UPSB, how is reducing the number of battles and collabs gonna help improve the skill, what is a board clean up anyway
on one hand you say a good board doesn't necessiraly have good spinners then you say upsb doesn't have good spinners, so wtf???
why are ppl saying your personal skills are defined by what board you visit?? ppl who are elite RAISE the limits of pen spinning, they dont stall at the top, isn't that obvious???
because that's ALL people do is battle, and make collabs. Battles help but if you look at the comments to the vids and collabs the're mostly.
Great.
I liked the music.
Bad editing
You suck.
Your camera sucks.
GO die.
WHOAH AMAZING l33t.
,,,
And I say that UPSB doesn't have a high number of pro spinners. (not compared to any board, just in general) There is usually the same 10 people posting every day, who are proffesional or good at pen spinning.
,,,
PErsonal skills aren't defined by the board you visit, but once people reach the limits of pen spinning, what do they do on this board?...
What can a top spinner do at this board which would better his/her spinning? shore he can practice by himself, but this baord is mostly used to better the spinning of mediocore and biggening spinners.
,,,
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 22:57:45
i noticed that people at upsb also tend to sit around and wait for zombo or kam to "revolutionize" the world of pen spinning again...
they fail to notice that they can do that too... -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:02:47QUOTE (hoiboy909 @ Sep 25 2008, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i noticed that people at upsb also tend to sit around and wait for zombo or kam to "revolutionize" the world of pen spinning again...
they fail to notice that they can do that too...
ahhh contrary... to many people TRYING to revolutionize pen spinning, this isnt neccicarily a bad thing, but it's how people react...
Many people will be like STUPID DUMBARSE USE THE SEARCH BUTTON NEXT TIME THERE ARE LIKE L33t COLLABS WHICH INVOLVE THE SUBJECT YOUR TALKINGA BOUT...
and that doesn't help...
People shoud be supportive, for example, many people come up with good ideas, but who wants to share it if they know that if it's been done before or if it's a bad idea they will be humiliated?...
A more open and less people using the face in hand smiley or saying SEARCH! would be better.
Peop;le could post information that they know about the topic, or direct a person to the thread with the information.
Many people are good about this but theres still the other 1 half of people who are clueless... -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:05:55QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 25 2008, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>because that's ALL people do is battle, and make collabs. Battles help but if you look at the comments to the vids and collabs the're mostly.
Great.
I liked the music.
Bad editing
You suck.
Your camera sucks.
GO die.
WHOAH AMAZING l33t.
ah the "spam comments" debate again. We've been through this before. Well that's just like spamming right, you get rid of it. You can't force ppl to make better comments. Also somebody mentionned that on KPSA they have meaningless comments, doesn't really stop them from being good. Like I said decreasing spamming is good, but it's not a useful way to increase the skill of spinners.QUOTE,,,
And I say that UPSB doesn't have a high number of pro spinners. (not compared to any board, just in general) There is usually the same 10 people posting every day, who are proffesional or good at pen spinning.
,,,
So basically you're saying, for a elite spinner to visit UPSB, there must already be elite spinners in the first place. But since there are no elite spinners, elite spinners won't join because there are no elite spinners. Nice vicious circle.QUOTEPErsonal skills aren't defined by the board you visit, but once people reach the limits of pen spinning, what do they do on this board?...[
What can a top spinner do at this board which would better his/her spinning? shore he can practice by himself, but this baord is mostly used to better the spinning of mediocore and biggening spinners.
,,,
First of all, "reach the limits of pen spinning"? Where? We're FAR from reaching the limits of anything... there are a ton of aspects that have yet to be explored. My two favourite examples for now: synchronized pen spinning, and body spinning.
It's only normal for someone at the top to teach others. That happens everywhere. Like Tialys said somewhere, you should ask "What can you contribute to the community, not what the community can contribute to you?" Your way of thinking is selfish. Also described above is the vicious circle that must be broken where elite spinners should stay on UPSB to encourage other elites to come. Furthermore, even if someone is not elite, doesn't mean you can't learn from him. It doesn't have to be through videos, it can also be through concepts and ideas. I'm far from being an elite spinner, but I can safely say I contributed to pen spinning nonetheless through my research of pen spinning ideas and concepts. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:07:35QUOTE (DaThroat @ Sep 25 2008, 05:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Show some results.
uh, little uncalled for don't you think? I never said i was the greatest penspinner alive. I'm just trying to cross my point that having discussion on UPSB is not the reason people suck.
Shoeman6, i really just have no idea what you're trying to support anymore. How is battling and participating in collabs regressive to pen-spinning skills? Collabs and battles are not only a way to show off your skills, but a reason to improve them. Wtf is the WT and WC if not a big battle against a bunch of people? And wtf is the purpose of getting better without any of this?
Removing topics and sections from the board is rediculous. Getting rid of the less skilled penspinners isn't going to help anyone. If someone cares enough to get better, they're not gonna let discussion get in their way.gif)
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:11:04QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 25 2008, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ahhh contrary... to many people TRYING to revolutionize pen spinning, this isnt neccicarily a bad thing, but it's how people react...
Many people will be like STUPID DUMBARSE USE THE SEARCH BUTTON NEXT TIME THERE ARE LIKE L33t COLLABS WHICH INVOLVE THE SUBJECT YOUR TALKINGA BOUT...
and that doesn't help...
People shoud be supportive, for example, many people come up with good ideas, but who wants to share it if they know that if it's been done before or if it's a bad idea they will be humiliated?...
A more open and less people using the face in hand smiley or saying SEARCH! would be better.
Peop;le could post information that they know about the topic, or direct a person to the thread with the information.
Many people are good about this but theres still the other 1 half of people who are clueless...
again you contradict yourself, you say that ppl that are knowledgable should teach others, then you say ppl that are knowledgable have nothing to learn so they dont come here. well you just gave a reason why they should come, they should help others out.
you're arguing on too many topics at once and its very confusing to see your reasoning, you're giving a lot of specific situations of things you don't like but you fail to summarize everything in a bigger picture.
I can see it in two parts
1) Help beginners get started: if more beginners become interested, there's naturally more chance to develop someone good
2) Get elite spinners incentive to stay. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:21:13
getting rid of less skilled penspinners would make this board regress even further...
@ your visious circle comment, it's nothing like that. the pros on the board are here and no more elites come because they're more comfortable at there board, and new pen spinners feel like they have to imitate spinners like "bonkura" or "errior" so there simply arent as many eiters anymore...
"Your way of thinking is selfish. Also described above is the vicious circle that must be broken where elite spinners should stay on UPSB to encourage other elites to come. Furthermore, even if someone is not elite, doesn't mean you can't learn from him. It doesn't have to be through videos, it can also be through concepts and ideas. I'm far from being an elite spinner, but I can safely say I contributed to pen spinning nonetheless through my research of pen spinning ideas and concepts."
UPSB could help develop new elites by supporting new pen spinners better, shore there are a lot of resources for them but many of the wikis or threads expect that new pen spinners already be aquainted with pen spinning.
I said that elites can't learn on the boards because the medocore spinners are jsut making videos and posting off topics.... there aren't any real dscussions that ahve made it really far.
Shore the innovations you mentioned are there, but theyve been there for the past 4 years...
@ your two points, I think that summarizes it well...QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Sep 25 2008, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Shoeman6, i really just have no idea what you're trying to support anymore. How is battling and participating in collabs regressive to pen-spinning skills? Collabs and battles are not only a way to show off your skills, but a reason to improve them. Wtf is the WT and WC if not a big battle against a bunch of people? And wtf is the purpose of getting better without any of this?
I would hope there is more to penspinning than battleing with people and editing collabs...
Isn't a board spposed to be a developing community that helps out each other?QUOTE (Zombo @ Sep 25 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>again you contradict yourself, you say that ppl that are knowledgable should teach others, then you say ppl that are knowledgable have nothing to learn so they dont come here. well you just gave a reason why they should come, they should help others out.
Why would they want to help out jerks or people who just sit there idolizing them? people don't think they can ever become as good as people like Bonkura, and its partly true because they try to copy him, a copy is never as good as an original, there should be more talk about how to preform tricks and how to develop them than "style" -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:30:19
we're not trying to copy bonkura, we're trying to learn from him. If bonkura did something perfectly, why shouldn't we copy it? Isn't perfection what we want? On the other hand, we make take something bonkura did and say you know what, i want to change this
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:32:09QUOTE@ your visious circle comment, it's nothing like that. the pros on the board are here and no more elites come because they're more comfortable at there board,
Like I explained before, UPSB serves its own community as well as being the hub for international communities. You make it sound like absolutely everybody gotta use UPSB. It's not like that. What we need is NOT more foreign elites, but "homegrown" elites who have no other board... so your argument is useless. Foreign elites use this board to share their work but I don't think you can expect them to come here and be active. Besides in competition, we're only look at our own elites anyway.QUOTEand new pen spinners feel like they have to imitate spinners like "bonkura" or "errior" so there simply arent as many eiters anymore...
Weak argument, you can't expect new spinners to develop their own style right away. I believe there was an article with DaThroat who explained that he started off as a bonkura wanna-be but once he got enough skill and maturity, he started developping his own style. Nothing wrong with having an idol.QUOTEUPSB could help develop new elites by supporting new pen spinners better, shore there are a lot of resources for them but many of the wikis or threads expect that new pen spinners already be aquainted with pen spinning.
If ppl know the basics, why would you want to repeat the same things every where? Put the basics in one spot and then build from there. Your calculus book doesn't explain the basics of elementary arithmetics does it? Same thing.
So the problem is actually not the "expectation of knowledge", but giving newcomers an easy-to-use reference.
And that's actually a very simple fix... update the FAQ/How to get started thread we have here... oh yeah there was also the idea by 000zer0000 to make a welcome PM... except the PM was never finalized...
Furthermore, isn't it a good thing that the learning curve is not too low? If it is was too easy to learn psing, ppl who only had very small interest would start using the board... if it has some learning curve, then it forces ppl to take the time to study PS and means they're more motivated.QUOTEI said that elites can't learn on the boards because the medocore spinners are jsut making videos and posting off topics.... there aren't any real dscussions that ahve made it really far.
well i think elite spinners don't really need to discuss publicly to get better.
When I see a guy like pyralux, a genius, he develops everything on his own and then is generous enough to go on forums to share his discovery. Likeiwse for Fratleym. They usually discover something new, then discuss around it if they think it's worthwhile. I rarely see elite spinners try to find something new by creating a topic on something he doesnt know. Like I said they're elite, they're the ones pushing PS forward.
Sorry but I'm not convinced that we need any BIG change like you're saying. Seems like you're shouting for a reform without thinking properly first (sensationalism). Well at lesat it does provide a sort of wake-up call so gotta give credit to that. We just gotta think positively and unselfishly, sharing everything we got so that pen spinning as a whole, not just UPSB, can develop.QUOTEI would hope there is more to penspinning than battleing with people and editing collabs...
Isn't a board spposed to be a developing community that helps out each other?
How does reducing battles and collabs increase the number of other activities? It doesn't. It just means there's less. Just because there are a lot of battles and collabs doesn't mean you can organize other stuff. I try to think of new events all the time.QUOTEWhy would they want to help out jerks or people who just sit there idolizing them? people don't think they can ever become as good as people like Bonkura, and its partly true because they try to copy him, a copy is never as good as an original, there should be more talk about how to preform tricks and how to develop them than "style"
So ALL new pen spinners are either jerks, copycats or both? Like I said before, how is idolizing bonkura a bad thing? He's a perfect role model. It's nomral for new pen spinners to find a direction, once they progress enough, they'll think on their own.QUOTEShore the innovations you mentioned are there, but theyve been there for the past 4 years...
Right, but I'm not alone in this community am I? Plenty of ppl have contributed in the last 4 years. -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:39:19
The learning curve of penspinning really isn't that high, but by making penspinning seem complex such as the thumb arround which is a very simple trick even for non spinners to understand if you use the right words, drives people who might very very be intrested in pen spinning away.
And Yah I 'm not really thinking because I have to do a report at the same time sorry...
"ow does reducing battles and collabs increase the number of other activities? It doesn't. It just means there's less. Just because there are a lot of battles and collabs doesn't mean you can organize other stuff. I try to think of new events all the time."
People spend to much times comparing themselves to other spinners, okay if someones better than you, but there are very few people who tyr to give people advice on how to improve, so people are jsut left with nothing except knowing that they arent as good as someone else.
shore battles are fun to show the skill you ahve developed but they could also be used as conversations which involve people discussing the spinning and more thoughtful, useful comments about the spinning.
"So ALL new pen spinners are either jerks, copycats or both? Like I said before, how is idolizing bonkura a bad thing? He's a perfect role model. It's nomral for new pen spinners to find a direction, once they progress enough, they'll think on their own."
But it puts into peoples minds what "good" penspinning is.
and hoiboy has better ideas than me, its his thread anyways, im jsut trying to share my thoughts on the subject emphasize the "trying" -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:42:45
i'm not pushing for reform... it's for change...
i'm not going out and saying "change the upsb colors to green and black!
i'm saying that people need to change their ways...
ok... collabs are a great way to showcase the person's skill... but too many collabs doesn't prove a single thing
same with battles... battles help you improve... but battling every day, there is no improvement... just the need to be better
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:44:21
if you give up on, say, the video of tutorial of Eso about the thumbaround, i seriously doubt you "very very be intrested" in pen spinning...
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:44:24
...we dont have upsb colors..
and seriously, the point still remains:
all of this is in the hands of the spinners
you're saying the spinners dont help noobs, we dont care enough, blah blah blah
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:45:11
nothing the board can do... but something spinners can change...
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:48:55QUOTE (Zombo @ Sep 25 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if you give up on, say, the video of tutorial of Eso about the thumbaround, i seriously doubt you "very very be intrested" in pen spinning...
When I first started pen spinning I had no clue who Eso was before I was more than 6 months...
not everyone searches on youtube, or looks at the wiki for a tutorial, I searched the USBC boards and enver found a decent tutorial, I o back today at this thread and I face the same confusion, thankfully I'm no longer jsut beggining and can focus on developing my own tricks and combos... -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:54:12
if you dont look in the wiki for tricks, there's nothing we can do to help you
if you don't use the resources we supply you with, how can we be blamed? -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:56:08QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 25 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When I first started pen spinning I had no clue who Eso was before I was more than 6 months...
not everyone searches on youtube, or looks at the wiki for a tutorial, I searched the USBC boards and enver found a decent tutorial, I o back today at this thread and I face the same confusion, thankfully I'm no longer jsut beggining and can focus on developing my own tricks and combos...
Well, that's true. I found Eso's tutorials by searching for a sonic tutorial on Youtube randomly. But if someone were to do a couple of Google searches, they'd find this forum, from this forum, they'd find the wiki, and then they'll find video tutorials in the wiki.
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Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:58:37QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Sep 25 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if you dont look in the wiki for tricks, there's nothing we can do to help you
if you don't use the resources we supply you with, how can we be blamed?
because theres nothing when you first join that tells you there are trick tutorials in the wiki - _ -QUOTE (j147l @ Sep 25 2008, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well, that's true. I found Eso's tutorials by searching for a sonic tutorial on Youtube randomly. But if someone were to do a couple of Google searches, they'd find this forum, from this forum, they'd find the wiki, and then they'll find video tutorials in the wiki.
But yeah, I think everyone should try to invent/discover at least one new trick or concept to push the art of pen spinning forward.
Actually theyd find the old UPSBC first, and if they arent confused by that enough they'll come here somehow... -
Date: Thu, Sep 25 2008 23:59:21
...there are people...
that say
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:00:43
W/e I'm just saying, shore its easy to find good tutorials for the thumb arround and stuff
but a new spinenr who doesnt know where to begin looking up more tricks?
Pentix, Pentrix, dead boards, thats where they usually go... -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:05:10
ok, you're just, you're being rediculous
the wiki has a whole freakin trick library
then we have the "advanced tricks" section for the weirder ones
also, if someone went to UCPSB, they should see the big news thing they're supposed to read about having moved to a new board -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:06:44
lol.. yeh ... but I hope you kinda get what im trying to say? > - <
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:09:03
fair enough, I do agree that the spinners must improve and start to spend more time discussing pen spinning tricks, how to improve, etc.. rather than chat off-topic and create more and more collabs or have more battles (although the number of battles is fairly low to begin with, so I'm not sure what's the complain here).
but like shadowserpant said, this cannot be enforced by the staff, so the only thing we can do is find ways to encourage ppl to participate... and this can be done by anyone, not just moderators. So if you guys are the first realize we're lacking here, help us out and contribute yourself first.QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 25 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>because theres nothing when you first join that tells you there are trick tutorials in the wiki - _ -
did you read mhat I wrote above?QUOTEIf ppl know the basics, why would you want to repeat the same things every where? Put the basics in one spot and then build from there. Your calculus book doesn't explain the basics of elementary arithmetics does it? Same thing.
So the problem is actually not the "expectation of knowledge", but giving newcomers an easy-to-use reference.
And that's actually a very simple fix... update the FAQ/How to get started thread we have here... oh yeah there was also the idea by 000zer0000 to make a welcome PM... except the PM was never finalized...
Furthermore, isn't it a good thing that the learning curve is not too low? If it is was too easy to learn psing, ppl who only had very small interest would start using the board... if it has some learning curve, then it forces ppl to take the time to study PS and means they're more motivated.QUOTEActually theyd find the old UPSBC first, and if they arent confused by that enough they'll come here somehow...
First of all UPSB in google gives me this site, so no idea what you're talking about. Furthermore, there's no way I control what Google does. AFAIK, UCPSB has a very clear red announcement about UPSB, and Pentrix & UPSB2 have a big link to UPSB3.
Seriously if you're confused by this, you're really not very motivated... there are way more confusing things on the Internet... example it took me a while to figure out how DS roms and cards work but it still didn't stop me cuz I had the motivation to get one...QUOTEBut yeah, I think everyone should try to invent/discover at least one new trick or concept to push the art of pen spinning forward.
this would be a decent target (although it really should be try to invent as much as possible) except not everything is creative enough to invent somethng new. There will always be leaders and followers in anything you do in life.QUOTEBut it puts into peoples minds what "good" penspinning is.
you're saying bonkura's pen spinning isn't any good? I think I understand what you mean, but seriously, once you progress in the world of penspinning and you see more things, you drop your preconceived notions that you had as a noob pretty fast... I mean I'm sure ppl who look at pen spinning for the first time think all the tricks are the same right? once you learn more about it, you realize there are tons of tricks and theyl ook different... just because you had a idea of what PS is, doesn't mean that idea cannot change.QUOTEW/e I'm just saying, shore its easy to find good tutorials for the thumb arround and stuff
but a new spinenr who doesnt know where to begin looking up more tricks?
Pentix, Pentrix, dead boards, thats where they usually go...
you can't baby feed new spinners every step along the way. Evenetually they'll find UPSB and that's the only thing we should be worried about: how to help them get started on UPSB.
seems to me like you're grapsing for straws here. you should drop the debate if you don't have more convincing arguments, it's not really an issue. I'd like to see the welcome PM and updated FAQ though, especially since the welcome PM can point to the FAQ -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:12:23
yea, even if you cant invent new tricks, people create new linkage and styles all the time
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:15:06QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Sep 25 2008, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yea, even if you cant invent new tricks, people create new linkage and styles all the time
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:21:53
Ok...let's summarize this.
QUOTE (pholord @ Sep 24 2008, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>there needs to be less fanboys, less modding, and as said before less spam and talk
...and I add to that. Less attention whores, less 'treating people by their names', less hyping, less features of the board, less people trying to be cool, less one line posts, less discussions about styles and which is better, less people who think they look professional, less <3's, etc.
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:23:58
also, get rid of the image board... it scared the heck out of me the first time I went here....
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:26:02QUOTE (Fripâ„¢ @ Sep 25 2008, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ok...let's summarize this.
...and I add to that. Less attention whores, less 'treating people by their names', less hyping, less features of the board, less people trying to be cool, less one line posts, less discussions about styles and which is better, less people who think they look professional, less <3's, etc.
And we need... MORE HONESTY.
explain how that is a bad thing.
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:27:30
> - < the picture of the dead baby? the vaginas are ok...
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:27:31QUOTE (Zombo @ Sep 25 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>explain how that is a bad thing.
Ok that one was a minor one but still we have so many features here...it's mindblowing lol But I'm actually quite fine with that. It's just confsing sometimes.
And these one sentence posts really piss me off.
Oh, I have another thing, less people thinking they have a clue what they're talking abhout just because they're a researcher, etc. (Especially the breakdown team. Just OMG. But this point falls into the attention whore category.) -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:27:46
i dont know why you're so anti discussion
what's wrong with discussion?
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:29:17QUOTE (Fripâ„¢ @ Sep 25 2008, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ok that one was a minor one but still we have so many features here...it's mindblowing lol But I'm actually quite fine with that. It's just confsing sometimes.
you dont have to use any of them. infact, im sure many spinners are not even aware of most of them. and the ones that ppl frequently use come with a guide like Feedback and Ladder. But again, I come back to what I think is a easy and important fix: update the FAQ and create the Welcome PM sent to every new registered member -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:36:01
i wanted to write up something for that zombo... ill submit it to you when i get to it, idk
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:41:37QUOTE (Zombo @ Sep 25 2008, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>you dont have to use any of them. infact, im sure many spinners are not even aware of most of them. and the ones that ppl frequently use come with a guide like Feedback and Ladder. But again, I come back to what I think is a easy and important fix: update the FAQ and create the Welcome PM sent to every new registered member
That would be a great idea, it could contain resources of ne wpen spinners and save them a lot of trouble, even if there just semi pen spinners they cud tell people of yah UPSB.info is a good place tah learn ^ - ^ -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:43:22
for reference:
http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=10262&hl=
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 00:54:08
Anyways, today, hoiboy909(who started this topic) and I were talking about this thread at school, and really, I have no idea what the point of this thread is besides to point out UPSB's flaws.
Otherwise, I don't see the point of this topicand I think it should be closed.
Edit: Never mind, don't close it. -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 01:45:40
if thats the point, so be it
why close it? we're discussing -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 01:59:25
if all this is happening... isn't it worth writing out a plan... or something... i mean we can't run around improvising here...
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 02:00:33
what plan? someone write up a welcome letter, we can approve it, revise it, whatever
we cant force someone to do it
like i said i will when i have the time, which i dont at the moment
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 02:24:26
well... the welcome letter should include stuff like where to find {topics} and useful links and pretty much a warm welcome... we don't want to sound robotic
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 02:38:28
don't worry, ill make it cheesy
Hey! So you've joined UPSB, and now i bet you're wondering, "What do I do next?"
lol
or
Oh hey, didn't see you there...
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 02:39:00
please dont disuccss the welcome PM here, talk in the welcome PM thread i linked above
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 02:41:26
oh... ok... sorry
then lets move on to other changes... -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 03:19:16
we need some kind of web programers to make a UPSB website, pentrix is kin d of that but its never updated because kam is busy.
The website should offere different languages and other stuff.... -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 03:21:25
you want us to make a website... for a website....
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 03:22:45
for a board...
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 03:23:50
you're not making sense anymore
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 03:25:02
... A proffesional website, with different languages....
Inside the website is the board and other pages, the board is inside a page I beleive you can do that some how 0 _ o... -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 03:36:25
shoeman's talking about making the board more open to international spinners
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 03:38:06
you can, but there's no reason to...
this is upsb
we speak english here
if people can't speak english, they're stuck with the other boards for a bit
or they can make their way through with google
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 03:38:18
yes, Im shore theres some easy way to translate text over so that people can post in there own language and have it appear in english and read our text in say chinese?
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:02:51
Translated text is typically horrible, and if people type with slang or spelling mistakes, it'll be even worse e.g. you keep spelling 'sure' as 'shore' for some reason. If people want a translation, they can just use Google, no need for UPSB to have it's own.
I don't really see the need for UPSB to be integrated into another website, what would it contain? Trick tutorials? Pen mods? That stuff is already abundant in the wiki and threads. -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:06:14
exactly
and shore? wtf? even on google? i would think google was more updated than that... -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:09:39QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 25 2008, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>we need some kind of web programers to make a UPSB website, pentrix is kin d of that but its never updated because kam is busy.
The website should offere different languages and other stuff....
what do you want to put on the website anyway... perharps you mean a "portal"?
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:11:22
Not just a portal, like a pen spinning website > - < well gud night =]
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:11:54
no... more like going beyond english speakers... or have links directing people where to go if they don't speak english...
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:17:39
thats what the other boards are for...
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:18:19
we have a thread with a bujnch of links to all communities...
well duh its gonna be a pen spinning website but about what?? what content can you put on a website which cannot be found on the forum itself -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:18:59
how come when i mentioned a welcome letter, no one really took it seriously?
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:26:14
yes we did... we just wanna make a better one
ok i have a topic, but question first
with the whole fpsb incident...
did you determine whether we were going to persecute people for actions outside of upsb?
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:30:50
wtf? so off-topic... we didn't catch those guys yet... so can't really do anything
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:35:11
but the principle itself, i mean
ok basically, people on mebeam/penspinning are pissing me off lately
no one's going there to spin anymore
they go to put on manycam, show someone else, and write I'M A FAG and draw explicit pictures over them
it makes me mad, i go there to spin and see people spin, and i was wondering if you could do anything about that, or if it's beyond the reach of the board to enforce that -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:44:40
OFF TOPIC NOTE:
why don't we have an international pen spinning government or something? save crash a whole buncha work
and to enforce stuff outside of the jurisdiction of the board/community -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:48:22
i cant do anything about mebeam man... in general we do not regulate anything outside of the forum and its direct features except a few things like scammers and important events like the fpsb thing. mebeam is not a feature, so is the ventrilo. so ppl can do anything in there. in mebeam its pretty easy u just gotta make a new room.
QUOTEwhy don't we have an international pen spinning government or something? save crash a whole buncha workit already exists and I am part of it. it's been set up since the WT06 so 2 years -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:48:47
really? what's it called?
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 04:49:39
*sigh* okaaay
lol make a new room they'll just come there...
i like being able to say SEXY PARTY TIME and everyone comes and spins in mebeam
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 11:58:42
SOme people just enjoy hiding bhind there computers... most likely another spinner, probably someone who has nothing better with there time but sit there and look at little kids > - <
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 12:25:15QUOTE (hoiboy909 @ Sep 26 2008, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>really? what's it called?
and why doesn't it do stuff outside of the boards? like the fpsb thing...
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 12:49:41
It'd be nice to see the powers of UPSB be extended over other boards, seeing as the UPSB is supposed to be kind of a place where the boards can meet together? (i think.)
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Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 14:22:16
uhh... that sounds really arrogant you know.
ppl from other boards come here because we're international, what they do on their own board, that's their problem, we collaborate on certain issues like blocking scammers from every forum, but thats about it -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 14:26:47QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 25 2008, 05:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>UPSB doesnt really have any advanced spinner help....
Shure we have eso's tutorials but they only go so far, they cant teach you to learn how to become an amazing spinner jsut by knowing all of the tricks...
lol
There needs to be more organization and a big yellow line of rules that people should HAVE to follow to keep this board clean, an I should start typing better so people can actually read what i say > - <.
To much philosiphy and people trying to develop new tricks and to little people coming up with new ideas about ticks and how they can be preformed better... i'd say over three fourths of the penspinning on this forums are just collaborations and battles....
you mean like:
http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?act=boardrules
http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?act=announce&id=2 ?
and yeah, you should start typing better >_>QUOTE (pholord @ Sep 25 2008, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I dont kno about you guys, but i certainly didnt get to where i am now by begging pros to help me. No offence to eso, but i dont think ive used any of his tutorials either. Much of what i learned was actually through the ps conclave wiki. The way i see it, the only way that you can expect upsb to impove is to have more spinners with the actual determination to become "pro"
there needs to be less fanboys, less modding, and as said before less spam and talk
QFTQUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 26 2008, 06:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not just a portal, like a pen spinning website > - < well gud night =]
and UPSB is what? (okay it isn pen-spinning forum, but sill)
i can't believe i read 8 pages of this..
this discussion only lead to another one "this forum is full of spam" discussion
and beside, if you want this board to be better why don't you contribute(?) (okay, there is a lot of members that do contribute to PSing and to UPSB)
if it's so easy to push the limits why don't you push them (no intent to flame, but seriously, you just keep saying about some pro's and how there isn't enough of them and how nobody is PSing - BOOHOO) there is a lot of members here that PS -THIS IS A FREAKING PSing FORUM, they wouldn't have came here for nothing >_>
you think changing means forcing people to PS?! how do you plan to do that...?
you don't like eso's tutorials? why don't you go make better?!
you don't like how nobody uses the wiki? why don't you link them to it when they say "i'm new" in SB or in their welcome thread?!
you don't like how everybody posts useless comments on videos, collabs, mods? why don't you use report feature or make good comments?
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(you is to everyone who recognises themself in these statements, CBA to quote that much, and i'm sure it wouldn't look good quoting 20 replies >_> ) -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 22:43:17
okay... some government that is...
more like a panel...
but it would be cool to have a government that established stuff to keep boards *right* -
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 22:52:49
or soemthing to set standardization to pen spinning? ... maybe an elected set of people from different boards iono.. your right I shud shut up > - <
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Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 01:02:11
no you shouldn't shut up...
you've been a great help so far... thanks!
well... pen spinning is a creative sport... to put limits on creativity just kills it...
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Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 01:24:13
???
standardization of what? there's already a naming commitee
you guys are making 0 sense and seem to suggest chagnes for sake of changing.
this topic will be closed very soon if it continues this way -
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 01:33:48
oh we didn't know...
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Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 02:00:01
I don' think UPSB needs ambassadors, UPSB should be more than a gathering place for videos or coll abs etc. and yeah.. I think we're just rambling now so closing the thread may be a good idea.
By staderzization I mean like...
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Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 02:35:42
well... at least we achieved something...
go ahead zombo... close this thread... thanks -
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 02:51:51
Yup, the biggener PM is an amazing idea and i guess that's all there is in this thread.
UPSB could use some improvments in spam etc. but as you said, nothing you can do about it s I guess this is just spam now so ill be stopping this post right about now...