UPSB v3
Pen Modifications / Making a New Mod.
Hmm.
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Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 22:03:53
So i've thought about this for the past week and..
If your just adding weight to a pen, with a tip(s) and/or Grip(s) is it really a mod?
Most people who just start penspinning always say " My new personal mod"
and then peoples responses are " Its just an mx, with weight" " Its just a comssa, with more weight"
Not to flame it but, Is the Impact MX REALLY a new mod? Are all G3 mods actually a new mod? Or is it just more weight?
Im not flaming Kam,Saizen,F1r3f1y(or however it goes) ect.. I have added more weight to pens, i have made g3 mods.
Are they REALLY a totally new mod?
Like G3 mods, if your just putting more tips and grips, as people flame noobs and say " Its just more weight, not a new mod"
Why dont they tell it to people who make g3 mods, and add more weight and make it a mod?
Saizens for isntance, he just added 5+ tips(or however many he added) and called it his G3 mod.
Is it only a new mod, becuase he's a famous spinner?
And if you say G3 mods are new mods, why arent RSVP's with more weight a new mod?
Personally, i think TEK's Mx^2 is SOMEWHAT a new mod, because it not only makes the MX longer, but it BALANCES it.
Which i find is a key point in it.( The fact that its not balanced in general) And im pretty sure people would prefer a mod balaced rather than unbalanced.
Hmm?
Not a fanboy of him. Personally dont like him.
Dont flame me either, i really could care less, its pens..gif)
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Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 22:09:53
Why start this again. WHY WHY WHY
And what's so important about BALANCING a pen mod. I don't like the feel of a balanced MX, the momemtum is different. Kam BALANCED that mod, just not in the COP. It's back heavy.
But honestly if the MX^2 is considered a new mod, then Impact MX more than qualifies. -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 22:12:09
But its just adding weight to an MX^2.
Is it not?
And dont say" WHY WHY WHY this is pointless"
Dont bitch. Really. -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 22:16:12
Sorry for the whys.
Ok how about this:
Yes, Impact MX is a personal mod for him and got more famous because of Kam's fame. Okay?
Maybe he thought that these modifications were so great, that he had to share them. Alright? Question answered? -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 22:17:52
People who add tips and stuff (saizen, kuzu, etc.) usually dont make these modifications in the desire of making a new mod. They make it because they desire a more personalized pen,and the name? Comes from the Community of course.
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Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 22:18:47
Not really, seems your just referring to him being Kam, He's seperate from the rest of us.
I dont think personals should only apply to us.
I dont think you got the jist of what i just said. If you dont get it ill explain it in the depth. -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 22:28:21
i say its cuz kam is kinda overrated (no offense) and everyone looks up to him. and tek is just a sexy modder who makes mods look uber awsum. just my opinion
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Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 22:29:39
Exatcly what im saying here.
If your taking my side, power to you.
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Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 22:32:36
No offense taken...I can see why you say that...the Impact MX looks a lot like an MX since it's based on it. If it wasn't, I wouldn't call it an MX, right? But that's beside the point.
Rather than arguing whether my mods are new or not...let me ask you this.
You say balancing an existing mod has a point..I'm guessing the point is making it better for spinning. Well, isn't adding weight and momentum also better for spinning? -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 22:35:04
Of course not offending you.
Yes i know, personally i have an IMX, And it spins well. Which shows im not AGAINST it.
Im saying if you have a mod, thats unbalanced, and theres such a difference made to balance it, id say its a new mod.
But just adding momentum and weight, IMO, its not a new mod, just more weight for your personal preference. -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 22:37:14QUOTE (Unii @ Oct 2 2008, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Of course not offending you.
Yes i know, personally i have an IMX, And it spins well. Which shows im not AGAINST it.
Im saying if you have a mod, thats unbalanced, and theres such a difference made to balance it, id say its a new mod.
But just adding momentum and weight, IMO, its not a new mod, just more weight for your personal preference.
Ok fine, exactly it's not a new mod. It's a personal mod. It's Kam's personal mod...
That other people would like to make.
And Kam, yes you should take offense to that. -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 22:42:08
well the creators of those G-3 Mods know its not a new mod
but it's their variation of the original G-3 Mod
And since they're famous, people request a tutorial on what they're using. -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 23:06:20QUOTE (Stevieboy7 @ Oct 2 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>People who add tips and stuff (saizen, kuzu, etc.) usually dont make these modifications in the desire of making a new mod. They make it because they desire a more personalized pen,and the name? Comes from the Community of course.
Very true
Even the Impact MX was Kam's personal mod which he had at first not planned on releasing. Its the communities that take these personal mods and hype them up because they are used by famous spinners and then dub them "saizen mod" or "ayatori" When the MSXA was created by Yoah it wasnt very popular but then Eriror started to spin it so all the fanboys went OOH OMG I WANT THAT TOO! and so the MSXA also became popular. -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 23:18:53
what was the original g3 mod anyways? g3 mx?
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Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 23:18:57
Saizen, KUzu, etc.'s G3 mods are all G3 Mods! They aren't new mods, just different variations.
That's why they still keep the "G3 mod" in the name instead of totally changing the name
Saizen G3 Mod
KUzu G3 Mod
F1r3F1y G3 Mod
Lakubo Mod Ayatori's Version -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 23:39:19
Ok, I don't care if you call it a new mod or a personal mod. But you're mistaken to think that the Impact MX is just adding weight to the MX^2.
I started working on the Impact MX before I even had a MX^2 or any idea of how it spun. It was during the later stages of the Impact MX that I got to know Tek and incorporated some of the MX^2 such as the rings.
The Impact MX was based on the MX, but it would be weird/confusing to call it Kam's MX, woudn't it? Since the original was also mine?
Personally, I don't feel it's just adding weight. But that is subjective. So I won't go into that discussion. -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 23:42:26
Yeah, the MX^2 was meant to be a personal modification to the RSVP MX.
TEK just released it and has been known for it.
The IMX, in my opinion, draws from the RSVP MX, MX^2, and Ayatori Mod. -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 23:48:35
if adding weight isnt modifying, what is? we took the pen, we changed it. It's been modified.
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Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 23:50:23
I think the whole point of this thread is to state that adding more weight to a pen doesn't deserve to be called a new mod. However, because fanboys exist, personal mods created by famous spinners will become "new mods."
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Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 23:52:44
if it uses new materials to add weight...
that's like saying the ZT is the same as an MX because adding weight doesn't count
oh yea, it's just an MX except you take out the rsvp and the HGG, and then you put two zebra telescopes together for weight -
Date: Thu, Oct 2 2008 23:55:35
IMO, the IMX and F1r3f1y's G3 mod are new mods because they did something no one else did before.
Kam used different things to add weight onto his personal mod, which isn't used very often if at all.
F1r3f1y used a G2 part like on an MMX. AFAIK, no one has done that before, I remember neXus asking if anyone ever tried a G3 MMX, and now I believe F1r3f1y has done just that.
As for the other mods such as SAIZEN, kUzu, etc. I do agree they aren't mods, these famous spinners are just coaxed into releasing a tut for their personal mod.
To me, a new mod adds something that isn't used, or is rarely used to a pen mod. Adding weight or balancing is just a variation of an existing mod. -
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 00:20:46QUOTE (iamk34n3 @ Oct 2 2008, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think the whole point of this thread is to state that adding more weight to a pen doesn't deserve to be called a new mod. However, because fanboys exist, personal mods created by famous spinners will become "new mods."QUOTE (k2thez @ Oct 2 2008, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As for the other mods such as SAIZEN, kUzu, etc. I do agree they aren't mods, these famous spinners are just coaxed into releasing a tut for their personal mod.
To me, a new mod adds something that isn't used, or is rarely used to a pen mod. Adding weight or balancing is just a variation of an existing mod.
Both of those exatcly is what i mean.
Yes of course, im not saying the IMX is like. Not a mod, i said before when i was talking to Kam in shoutbox, that it could be IMO because the fact it uses a variety.
No one ever( or atleast i think) used nails/washers or any hardwood based objects for weight.
And yea i personally dont think Saizen of kUzu's G3 Mods are mods, just more weight to the G3 MX, different cap maybe ectectect.
Also how does the Lakubo Jell(Ayatori) take place in the IMX? Hmm :|
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Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 00:26:01
Lets call it Kam's RSVP MX mod.
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Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 00:26:56
Impact MX has already been established.
>_<
unless thats sarcasm.
then...
haha..? -
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 00:32:09QUOTE (Unii @ Oct 2 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Personally, i think TEK's Mx^2 is a new mod, because it not only makes the MX longer, but it BALANCES it.
Which i find is a key point in it.
You had some points but that just ruined it all.
Most of the mods have some unique things on it. For example...F1r3flys G3 mod spins like a symetrical mod.. -
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 00:35:05QUOTE (Fripâ„¢ @ Oct 2 2008, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You had some points but that just ruined it all.
Most of the mods have some unique things on it. For example...F1r3flys G3 mod spins like a symetrical mod..
Fixed ;D
Made me seem as though i was a fanboy of him.
Humph
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Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 00:49:02
i totally agree ;D
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i think the limitations for a personal mod and a new mod is doing more than just add tips for weight or changing grip styles. if you add a totally new part to it and it IMPROVES the mod in any way, than it is a new mod to me.
it has to improve it though because if you take a mx and take the rsvp cap off and call it a new mod, that's wrong. -
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 00:52:35
you dont like me
and wut kam said...
MX^2 is based off mx...thats why it as "mx" in the name lol -
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 00:57:01QUOTE (TEK @ Oct 2 2008, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>you dont like me
and wut kam said...
MX^2 is based off mx...thats why it as "mx" in the name lol
Dont.
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Yea i know, but if everyone says its just weight, the IMX could be, just more weight to it.
Im not personally saying the IMX, becuase it uses variety like i mentioned.
But G3 mods, its just more added to it, saizen is just weight.
Is it only because they are famous? -
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 01:38:39
well, I hate these kind of topics, because no matter what I say, I will sound like I'm just trying to make myself look good xD
Well, I don't know much about the G3 mods and their originals, so I won't even go there
As far as just adding weight (like adding more grips) and calling it a new mod...I agree with you...I don't feel that makes a new mod. I've added some grips to Bonkura KT to help learn a trick, but I don't consider it a new mod.
Now (the "make myself look good part"), I feel the Impact MX isn't just adding weight to an MX or MX^2. You are free to disagree, but I think that it's how the weight was added that makes it different.
Sure, you can throw 10 grips on top of an RSVP MX and get a similar spinning effect. But why would I spend over 1 year working on this mod if it was that easy? A lot has to do with keeping the look as close to an the MX as possible, as well as keeping the costs low by substituting parts with unconventional material (note: I think someone mentioned other spinners have used screws before).
Then when the pen was heavy to give the momentum I wanted, I realized it needed to be more resistant to shock. So more research was made and a rubberband ring was added.
Now, if all that doesn't make for a new mod...I don't know what does >_< Maybe I'll put together two toothpicks and call it an "after dinner" MX
and add some food particles from your teeth to give it extra weight/momentum lol xD
ok...i'm ranting now...I'll stop -
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 04:44:30QUOTE (Unii @ Oct 2 2008, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>But G3 mods, its just more added to it, saizen is just weight.
Is it only because they are famous?
as people said earlier, the people who made all those G3 mods intended for it to be their personal mod
people wanted to know what they were spinning, so they made a tut for their personal mod
the real name for, say, the key3 mod is: G3 mod, Key3 specifications
or something along those lines :\ -
Date: Fri, Oct 3 2008 06:00:35
what this entire thread comes down to is... what is a "new" mod and what isn't.
Which can't be defined... although you may have an opinion on it....
so stop trying to define it... because unless a group of people actually ASSIGNS a defininition to what a "new" mod is (researchers)
we will never be able to come to an agreement.
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Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 00:34:13QUOTE (Kam @ Oct 2 2008, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well, I hate these kind of topics, because no matter what I say, I will sound like I'm just trying to make myself look good xD
Well, I don't know much about the G3 mods and their originals, so I won't even go there
As far as just adding weight (like adding more grips) and calling it a new mod...I agree with you...I don't feel that makes a new mod. I've added some grips to Bonkura KT to help learn a trick, but I don't consider it a new mod.
Now (the "make myself look good part"), I feel the Impact MX isn't just adding weight to an MX or MX^2. You are free to disagree, but I think that it's how the weight was added that makes it different.
Sure, you can throw 10 grips on top of an RSVP MX and get a similar spinning effect. But why would I spend over 1 year working on this mod if it was that easy? A lot has to do with keeping the look as close to an the MX as possible, as well as keeping the costs low by substituting parts with unconventional material (note: I think someone mentioned other spinners have used screws before).
Then when the pen was heavy to give the momentum I wanted, I realized it needed to be more resistant to shock. So more research was made and a rubberband ring was added.
Now, if all that doesn't make for a new mod...I don't know what does >_< Maybe I'll put together two toothpicks and call it an "after dinner" MX
and add some food particles from your teeth to give it extra weight/momentum lol xD
ok...i'm ranting now...I'll stop
I guess thats true, i simply started it by asking you.
I wasnt saying it WASNT a mod :|
Just an EXAMPLE.
tut for after dinner mx?
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Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 13:04:43
Yeah, I think we're all slowly catching on to the fact that when famous or well known spinners (such as Saizen, Kuzu, Key3 etc) create personal add-ons to mods that already exist, its all up to the fans and community when they figure out "Oh wow, Saizen (just an example name) can spin really well with that mod of his!". This leaves fans and community members to believe that his/her mod is not made for the creator's style/preferrences, but for everyone's preferrences (in other words, to spin better all around). These mods are realized more for who they're made by and how they spin, rather than what they consist of and how they're made. I'm not sure that New "Mod" is the right word but more of New "Popular Mod/Spinning Effect". See what I mean? Anyway, thats my opinion and or rant, and I personally don't think this needs to be discussed any further, seeing as we're all mostly coming up wih the same answers now. Thanks.
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Date: Sat, Oct 4 2008 17:19:02QUOTE (Unii @ Oct 3 2008, 02:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>But G3 mods, its just more added to it, saizen is just weight.
Is it only because they are famous?QUOTE (xxdefinitionxx @ Oct 3 2008, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well the creators of those G-3 Mods know its not a new mod
but it's their variation of the original G-3 Mod
And since they're famous, people request a tutorial on what they're using.
xxdef said it all, they just made pens to spin and people requested to know what they spun. They (SEVEN, Saizen, etc) didn't name them or release them initially, they just spun them, and other people have taken things from there. F1r3Fly on the other hand :roll: I really like his mod, but he just released it as F1r3Fly's G-3 Mod from a start. -
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 15:30:24
Just wondering if you totaly create the pen from scratch does that make it a new mod?????
my example is
Or is this a personal Mod??? -
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 15:51:30QUOTE (emh114 @ Oct 5 2008, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just wondering if you totaly create the pen from scratch does that make it a new mod?????
my example is **IMG**
Or is this a personal Mod???
Personal Mod from scratch= Totally new mod.
Doesnt look like any other pen ive seen. Actually looks impressive. -
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 22:19:27
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Date: Mon, Oct 6 2008 00:26:13QUOTE (emh114 @ Oct 5 2008, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just wondering if you totaly create the pen from scratch does that make it a new mod?????
my example is
Or is this a personal Mod???
I am sorry I forgot to say the pen name.....
I call this the "Counter Spinner"
The only bought pen parts are the tips and the brass rings.
the pen body I made on the lathe.
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Date: Mon, Oct 6 2008 19:35:06
Thanks Stormcanon :]
and you could probably call it a new mod, just read iMatt's "How to create a tutorial for a Mod" -
Date: Wed, Oct 8 2008 03:41:03
what i think sums up what most people are saying, its not really right to throw some grips on a mx and call it a new mod, just call it an improvement, upgrade whatever.
Tek's mx^2 is basically a mx two times over, which i think is an improvement of the original mx and not really an ORIGINAL MOD, but still a mod.
Kam's imx is basically a mx, just heavier. Its still an mx in most parts. its not different enough to be a new mod. I'm pretty sure Kam even said something about welcoming the new member of the rsvp FAMILY in one of his tutorials when introducing the pen.
The key point IMO is to keep the original mod in the new name, which drift was saying
but i'm not saying that everytime someone uses a rsvp with a tip in it, it should be called an mx. For example, the msxa has an rsvp and a hgg tip in it, but i think its different enough to be a new mod.
its sorta weird to decide what is different and what is just an improvement. -
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 04:17:35QUOTE (benjamin0s @ Oct 7 2008, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>its sorta weird to decide what is different and what is just an improvement.
Pretty much the rest of it is repeats of what everyone else said.
but i agree on that last statement.
like in some cases it could be, but at the same time you dont know.
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Date: Mon, Dec 7 2009 22:47:21
find the balance and see if the pen is able to come apart(pens that don't usually come apart is a japanese pen like the pilot rexgrip.
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Date: Tue, Dec 8 2009 05:03:20
And really, your point?
I think they're all modifications.
Everything's a modification, whether we add weight or change it's balance or add rings.
But, I don't know. If a guy took an MX and added rings to it without adding any new tips or weight, should he be able to call it his own mod? Or remain it as a variant? I mean, it's just for aesthetics, just like changing an insert.
Otherwise, I think most of the mods out there are just variants to some original that the creators have expanded on for their personal use and they go like, whoa what's that mod Kuzu or Kam's using? And then they think it looks good and make one.
I still think they're called new mods though.
Signo tipped MX?? -
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 21:54:17
Lets refer to my personal friend: common sense
Even though I am a noob I'm sure you will see sense in my response
mod = modification
modification = the changing of anything
So if you changed a pens weight it is modded. I'm not saying that people should or shouldn't get famous over weight mods but eight changes are still mods if you go by its normal definition.