UPSB v3

Advanced Tricks / Clarification needed for Weis/Korean Neobackaround (Neobak)

  1. t3tsubo
    Date: Sat, Oct 6 2007 02:13:33

    am i doing a korean neobak or a weissian neobak?
    http://media.putfile.com/neobak

    i have been trying to do neobak fall for ages now, ever since i saw lordbojo do it. And i still cant get it. I am handicapping myself by trying to learn the [harder] weissian way first?

  2. sketching
    Date: Sat, Oct 6 2007 02:15:27

    Weis, basically. The Neobackaround should touch the back of the hand when it spins, or atleast spin over the base knuckle. The "Korean" Neobak just spins at the finger tips.

    Spinning the pen at the finger tips means that you don't have to move your fingers apart as much, which makes the "Korean" Neobak 23 and the transition to the "Korean" Neobak 34 easier.

    Handy Tips ->
    Since the "Korean" Neobak doesn't spin on the back of the hand or even the base knuckle, it's just a Fingerless Shadow Reverse.

  3. Foofdude
    Date: Sat, Oct 6 2007 03:00:59

    If you're trying to learn Neobak Fall, you pretty much have to use Korean Neobaks. Because when you get to the Neobak 23-34, if you're using Weissian Neobaks you can't lift your ring finger high enough for the pen to pass under.

    You really should learn both versions of the Neobak, though. Like when you do Neobak -> Baktap, it's a lot easier with Weissian version. They're both useful for different situations.

  4. t3tsubo
    Date: Sat, Oct 6 2007 03:04:31

    thank you very much for the help.
    now i just need to learn korean bak...

  5. Reminiscent
    Date: Sat, Oct 13 2007 21:07:11

    So what's the difference between a Korean Neobak and a shadow reverse?

  6. sketching
    Date: Sat, Oct 13 2007 21:11:58

    Korean Neobackaround = Fingerless Shadow Reverse

  7. Reminiscent
    Date: Sat, Oct 13 2007 21:34:03

    QUOTE (sketching @ Oct 13 2007, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Korean Neobackaround = Fingerless Shadow Reverse


    Aren't all Shadows fingerless?

  8. sketching
    Date: Sat, Oct 13 2007 21:35:07

    Nope, Shadows use finger motion, you start with a 1/2 Charge motion to get the pen going.

  9. krash
    Date: Sun, Oct 14 2007 22:16:18

    QUOTE (Foofdude @ Oct 6 2007, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    If you're trying to learn Neobak Fall, you pretty much have to use Korean Neobaks. Because when you get to the Neobak 23-34, if you're using Weissian Neobaks you can't lift your ring finger high enough for the pen to pass under.

    You really should learn both versions of the Neobak, though. Like when you do Neobak -> Baktap, it's a lot easier with Weissian version. They're both useful for different situations.
    what is a Baktap?

    (I couldn't find in the UCPSB, all the videos are broken)

  10. K4S
    Date: Sun, Oct 14 2007 22:24:36

    He meant baCktap

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILrNR0rzETI

  11. DavidWeis
    Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 20:15:05

    QUOTE (krash @ Oct 14 2007, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    what is a Baktap?

    (I couldn't find in the UCPSB, all the videos are broken)




    http://ps.davidweis.com/videos/forts1.5son...baktapsonic.avi

    forward TS1.5 to sonic to neobak to baktap to sonic

  12. nateiskewl
    Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 20:28:34

    I think David needs to get with the times. Learn the new naming system. biggrin.gif tongue.gif

  13. sketching
    Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 20:32:41

    Baktap article

  14. DavidWeis
    Date: Wed, Nov 21 2007 18:15:18

    QUOTE (DavidWeis @ Nov 17 2007, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    http://ps.davidweis.com/videos/forts1.5son...baktapsonic.avi

    forward TS1.5 to sonic to neobak to baktap to sonic


    How do you think this should this be written? If this is about TS vs TA I believe they're two different tricks.

  15. Sfsr
    Date: Wed, Nov 21 2007 19:23:33

    QUOTE (DavidWeis @ Nov 21 2007, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    How do you think this should this be written? If this is about TS vs TA I believe they're two different tricks.

    That TA and TS are two different tricks is accepted by everyone nowdays, many don't even know there used to be a discussion about that. What he means is that most people write -> instead of to, don't use terms as "forward" and sometimes break down the combo completely by writing out the catch and push and the number of rotations. This is how I would've written it >

    ThumbSpin 1.5 T1-23 -> Sonic 23-12 -> NeoBak 12-12 -> Baktap 12-23 -> Sonic 23-12

  16. DavidWeis
    Date: Thu, Nov 22 2007 03:10:02

    QUOTE (Sfsr @ Nov 21 2007, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    That TA and TS are two different tricks is accepted by everyone nowdays, many don't even know there used to be a discussion about that. What he means is that most people write -> instead of to, don't use terms as "forward" and sometimes break down the combo completely by writing out the catch and push and the number of rotations. This is how I would've written it >

    ThumbSpin 1.5 T1-23 -> Sonic 23-12 -> NeoBak 12-12 -> Baktap 12-23 -> Sonic 23-12


    All of those start and finish positions are the tricks standard start and finish positions so they can be omitted... right?

  17. sketching
    Date: Thu, Nov 22 2007 03:38:17

    Yeah, they can be omitted when standard positions are used or the positions are quite obvious from the context of the breakdown. Sfsr's breakdown makes sure that the positions are known.

    @Sfsr: when linking tricks in a breakdown, only ">" is used, not "->", keep things simple. happy.gif

  18. nhk9
    Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 21:27:01

    I've yet to see a video of the 'Fingerless Shadow Reverse' trick though. Most of the Korean videos that I had came across only showed the Korean backaround (and not the Korean neobackaround). But I'm sure the trick wouldn't be too much different from the original Neobak.

    It seems like nowadays the "Korean backaround fall" is fairly common. It's a pretty neat combo, but I prefer to see it as something like "Fingerless Indexspin reverse + pass 12-23 + Fingerless Middlespin reverse + pass 23-34 etc.etc." In the original backaround, the pen spins either on the back of the hand or the back of the fingers. However it seems like the "Korean backaround" spins AROUND fingers instead of on the back of either the hand or the fingers.

    Just a rant from a former Naming Committee guy

  19. Sfsr
    Date: Thu, Nov 29 2007 11:14:05

    I had a video of a what people called a "Korean NeoBackaround" in the solo video I was making (which I never finished or released). I removed what I had from YouTube and am not sure I still have the video on my computer, but I'll see if I can find it somewhere. I'll upload it and post it here if I find it, then you can say what you think it really is.

  20. meir
    Date: Sat, Dec 20 2008 02:25:32

    what is a neobak 12-23 and how do you do it
    thank you im confused

  21. Xternal
    Date: Sat, Dec 20 2008 08:32:35

    QUOTE (meir @ Dec 20 2008, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    what is a neobak 12-23 and how do you do it
    thank you im confused

    i think its a neobak which starts at 12 and ends at 23?

  22. Outsmash
    Date: Sat, Dec 20 2008 11:58:26

    QUOTE (Xternal @ Dec 20 2008, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    i think its a neobak which starts at 12 and ends at 23?


    You must be knowing what's a shadow so:
    - Do a shadow reverse 12-12
    - Now you know the motion so do it from 12-23
    - For a NeoBak 12-23; make step 2 fingerless.

    That's it thumb.gif

  23. meir
    Date: Sat, Dec 20 2008 23:10:47

    QUOTE (Outsmash @ Dec 20 2008, 06:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    You must be knowing what's a shadow so:
    - Do a shadow reverse 12-12
    - Now you know the motion so do it from 12-23
    - For a NeoBak 12-23; make step 2 fingerless.

    That's it thumb.gif

    thank you both i just thought it started and ended in the same fingerslot thanks for clearing that uo

  24. sketching
    Date: Sun, Dec 21 2008 20:32:34

    QUOTE (Outsmash @ Dec 20 2008, 04:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    You must be knowing what's a shadow so:
    - Do a shadow reverse 12-12
    - Now you know the motion so do it from 12-23
    - For a NeoBak 12-23; make step 2 fingerless.

    That's it thumb.gif

    You just told him how to do a Fingerless Shadow Reverse, not a Neobak. >_<