UPSB v3
Advanced Tricks / A (kind-of) New Trick
The Slider
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Date: Thu, Nov 27 2008 20:28:01
I was originally planning to release this trick with the Evolution 2 video, but in 2+ years, it has never really materialized, so I just decided to write it up.
I've seen a little bit of discussion about this type of trick in the past (it would have been pretty new 2 years ago), but in the Research Department, we've been calling it a "Slider." This trick doesn't really fit into any of the official spin types, so it's tough to categorize, but it could best be called a utility trick.
The slider "spin" involves the pen slipping lengthwise between two fingers. Normal Slider Since the slider has starting and finishing positions similar to a wiper, we want to notate it the same way, where a normal slider starts with the bulk of the pen underneath the hand and ends with the bulk of the pen above the hand. The reverse slider would be exactly opposite that. Rev Slider
Like a backaround, a slider can be done using mostly hand motion or by using mostly gravity. It's probably easiest to start using lots of hand motion, but when you have a handle on the trick, you can probably cut back on the amount of hand motion to make it look smoother.
Because sliders don't have any unusual starting or ending positions, I think they could become popular in combos. (I can envision a lot of inifinity combos being adapted for sliders.) But it takes a lot of practice to get it smooth. The following is a combo I created to show this trick off in Evolution 2.
Breakdown: Rev slider 12 -> Pass 12-23 -> Rev slider 23 -> Pass 23-34 -> Rev slider 34 -> Sonic 34-23 -> Twisted sonic 23-12 -> Rev slider 12 -> Slider Normal 12 -> Rev slider 12 -> Indexaround 12-12 -> Backaround 12-12
I basically just wanted to get this trick out there finally and hopefully stimulate some imagination. -
Date: Thu, Nov 27 2008 22:21:56
Good idea, but personally I don't like the look of it.
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Date: Thu, Nov 27 2008 22:23:42
was there something like called a sea side or something which was that?
anyway i like how you used it in the vid
EDIT: Nevermind, i'm probably going paranoid... -
Date: Thu, Nov 27 2008 23:21:15
Maybe just calling the trick a "slide" ? that way you can include all kinds of lenthwise sliding motions of the pens?
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Date: Thu, Nov 27 2008 23:29:02
Of course I don't like the look of the trick, but I like the idea. This is the raw form trick anyways, and if people experiment with it I bet you can find a way to make it look really good.
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Date: Fri, Nov 28 2008 01:12:15
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBgsuLW4VA
The one combo this guy does is like your trick... except its performed alot better
i think that "Slide" would be an appropriate name.
The only reason to name it, would be for breakdowns. Otherthan that its not anything huge. -
Date: Fri, Nov 28 2008 01:23:52QUOTE (Stevieboy7 @ Nov 27 2008, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBgsuLW4VA
The one combo this guy does is like your trick... except its performed alot better
i think that "Slide" would be an appropriate name.
The only reason to name it, would be for breakdowns. Otherthan that its not anything huge.
Thats a pretty cool way of doing it. He does a kind of isolation thingy with it (people who contact juggle may understand what I mean). But he makes it look like the pen stays still while his hand slides up or down to get into a new position. -
Date: Fri, Nov 28 2008 02:53:51
I would definitely be cool with calling it a Slide. It's not like I was the first person to think of this trick anyway.
I hope Shoeman is cool with this, but a while ago, he made a video with this trick, and I took the liberty of uploading it to youtube.
Just to show what it might look like with somebody better than me performing: -
Date: Fri, Nov 28 2008 09:50:40
I dunno but...
Looks kinda similar though. Video states that this trick is called "Seasick". -
Date: Fri, Nov 28 2008 13:55:42
There's lots of uses of 'seasick' in this video http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBgsuLW4VA
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Date: Sun, Nov 30 2008 21:40:37
Hi.
This trick is just a seasick, that is not a new trick. In FPSB's laboratory, there have been a lot of discussion about a new tricks category, "motionless tricks" (when the pen does not move (for example, the magic reset)), which should be created. So this seasick you present could be called a motionless seasick. -
Date: Sun, Nov 30 2008 21:46:48
your idea of 'motionless' is akin to our idea of 'switching' or 'fingerswitching' is seems
and idk slide or slider sounds alot better than seasick, imo
plus, that guy seems to use gravity to do it, whereas sliders can be done using hand motions, side to side and such -
Date: Sun, Dec 7 2008 19:26:21
sorry for answering so late =)
Motionless tricks describes all tricks where the pen does not move, not just fingerswitching.
A seasick is'nt forced to use the gravity because there could be "seasick reverse" which does'nt use the gravity. With the "motionless" notation, slider could be called "motionless seasick 123".
I will post a message about motionless tricks during the week.
Also, slider sound effectivly better than seasick, so perhaps seasick should be changed =) -
Date: Thu, Jan 15 2009 04:29:12
it actually is not a seasick.
in a seasick, the pen moves by dropping downward between two fingers parallel to the ground. it is powered by gravity and actually is released from the hand and caught later (as in does not touch the fingers during the duration of the trick) also if u think of the hand as a plane, in a seasick, the pen drops perpendicular to the plane.
in a 'slider' the pen literally slides along a finger. it moves along the plane as opposed to perpendicularly. however, it moves perpendicular to the fingers along the plane if that makes sense.
i would classify this trick as a through trick like wipers because it moves through the fingers
this trick would be useful in moving the center of balance of a pen between two tricks like in the video posted by grsbmd where for a backaround the cob needs to be below the fingers. i use similar movements in combos to make individual tricks nicer and less distinct so i immagine this would become a good way to transition between tricks. -
Date: Thu, Feb 5 2009 11:51:15
... none of the non-embed videos are up. wmb (or whoever they are) took them down.
still, great concept and i KNOW there is SOMEONE who can make it look really good. -
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 00:33:11
yeah i agree w/ the ppl up there, call it "slide"
"slider" seems...
i also agree w/ shadowserpant, u do the hand motion
to "slide" the pen/pencil/finger baton...
in "seasick", he opened the hand to "slide".