UPSB v3
Pen Modifications / Kam's Auto Retractable Mod (KARMA)
a work-in-progress...thx for the name suggestions
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Date: Wed, Dec 3 2008 23:37:03
Hello ladies and gents,
I am making this topic in search for some help. However, before I start, I would to share a short story (hopefully it's not too long).
A while ago (maybe a year, maybe more), I was thinking about how far mods have come, and I had this idea/dream of making a pen that would be smart enough to know when to retract itself based on when you drop your pen. The idea was that if you drop your pen, you don't want the ink sticking out and getting damaged or staining your clothes.
Not being one to quickly discard this as an impossible/too futuristic idea, I kept coming back to it every now and then...until it finally hit me. There is a very simple (although not easy) way of making this possible.
First, I had to realize what our essential problem is/was...so I traced back the timeline of pen mods.
Spoiler:
So, after thinking about that for a while, it came to me that the way pen spinners interact with a pen consists of two modes: writing and spinning. It's fair to say that they are pretty obvious. The writing being the uncapped, or the state where the pen has the ink tip exposed. And the spinning being the closed mode.
What pen spinners have to do, then...is switch between these two modes when they want to write or spin. With that knowledge, my goal changed from making a pen that detected a drop, to making a pen that would change modes automatically when needed.
So, after a long time of research and testing...I finally got a prototype working. The new mechanism is something I like to call AUTO-RETRACTABLE.
What it does is basically change to writing mode when you pick up the pen for writing, and retracts the ink when you let go of the pen (doesn't matter if it's a drop, or you're just done writing and want to put it away).
Ok, now that you know what this mod does, and that a workiing prototype exists, I'm sure you're curious to know more about it. I don't have a picture of it as this moment, neither am I planning on releasing a tutorial at this early stages. But for the sake of name suggestion, i'll give some extra info.
STATS
weight: new mod > Impact MX (i'll get exact weight later)
length: about the same as IMX
type: single sided auto-retractable with optional twistable mechanism
Are inserts possible? yes
How hard is it to make? Hella hard xD It's got more barrel cuts, sanding, taping, gluing than anything I've ever done. Hopefully the amount of work can be cut down in the future, but right now it takes me hours and hours to make this.
Pens used:
Pentel RSVP
Pentel Hybrid Gel Grip
Pilot G3
Uniball Gel Impact RT
Bic Click Master
Crayola Twistable Pencil
So...any ideas on what to name this mod/project?
Please keep it clean, thanks
Update: Here's a pic of the mod at its current state. Please do note that it's a PROTOTYPE. Anything can be changed by the time it's done.
Spoiler:
Update 2: There has been a lot of good suggestions. I created this poll to see what are the most popular choices. Please limit your votes to only two names, so I can have useful results. Thanks
Update 3: Thanks everyone for suggesting names and voting. The people have spoken, Karma was the most popular name, followed pretty closely by Konception. I liked both equally well, so I'm glad Karma got the majority of votes.
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Date: Wed, Dec 3 2008 23:40:39
RSVP AR!!! nice kam! i would have never thought of that... now i just need to get the pens...
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Date: Wed, Dec 3 2008 23:43:06
wow that sounds complicated but what the hey ill try you should call it the rsvp revolution
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Date: Wed, Dec 3 2008 23:44:27
I can't think of a name yet. Maybe when you release a little more info about it.
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Date: Wed, Dec 3 2008 23:46:30
Wow, that's a cool idea, Kam!
It's definitely a new look into the 'future' of pen spinning.
As for the name... hmm its not much of an idea, but maybe base it off the 'bic click master' pen to make it unique?
Out of all those pens, it seems the most uncommon.
I'm not good with names.
Pic please?!
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Date: Wed, Dec 3 2008 23:46:45
AR MX or Impact AR MX
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Date: Wed, Dec 3 2008 23:47:59
well ARMX is taken... so it cant be auto retractable mx...
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Date: Wed, Dec 3 2008 23:58:06
so bout Master-MX?
im gonna guess the bic click master is a big part of it workin -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 00:02:38
thanks for the suggestions guys...however, I am not inclined to use a pen's name as basis for naming this mod.
The mechanism, body, caps, etc...can all be replaced by other pens...You don't have to use a RSVP body, or a click master mech...there are alternatives there...and since this isn't a finalized mod, it may very well change.
I'd like something more meaningful
I thought about Impact AR, but even though I have a Impact resistance mech in place, I'm not sure how sturdy the body connection is.
How about something with ART? xD (auto-retractable + twistable)
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 00:48:46
Kam's automatic retractable pen modification
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 00:50:59QUOTE (TEK @ Dec 3 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Kam's automatic retractable TWISTY pen modification
/fixed
and really a single sided mod thats heavier than the impact mx?.... my fingers are hurting already...
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 00:52:07
i would really want to try a mod like this? maybe after the early developments there could be a few less pens? and also, isn't this gonna be REALLY heavy if its heavier than an IMX? i really like the idea, and i want to see how this turns out.
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 00:52:07
This sounds ridiculously heavy, I don't like how heavy pen mods are becoming. :/
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:00:47
Agreed, I no longer spin heavy mods. I spin normal weight mods now... is it possible to make it lighter with the same functions?
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:01:22
auto mx?
but yeah make it lighter. no heavier than 15 grams please? -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:03:29
well, don't judge something before you try it
Actually, the bare bones of the mod doesn't make it that heavy...i'm sure you could strip some stuff out to make it lighter. -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:05:59
hmm how does the mechanism work. does it have a shaker mechanism inside that clicks the pen if it gets shaken up? or is it spring loaded?
i've also seen some pens that auto retract when the clip is separated (uni impact rt)
pictures would be nice -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:15:08
Wow. I didn't think you were going to go public with this.
However since you named the pens used.... I'm going shopping. xD -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:17:18
I like how people believe this...without a video.
Kam make a video of the pen and then people can decide on a name. -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:20:00
hmm nice intresting but is there a way it can detect spinning so ink wont spill or it will just pop back in when dropped? too bad its gunna b a pen and not a mp
how exactly does it sense when u gonna write? tilt up wards than lock in place??? like those pens where u tilt and click but auto??? -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:21:20
Can't really help with naming but a very unique concept!
GL with it.
*Going out on a limb here and going to guess its gonna have "AR" Somewhere in the name* -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:25:03QUOTE (Kam @ Dec 3 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well, don't judge something before you try it
Actually, the bare bones of the mod doesn't make it that heavy...i'm sure you could strip some stuff out to make it lighter.
I just want to mention another thing here...too much weight evenly distributed is just as bad as too much weight on the ends. -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:30:03
Nice concept.
TEK's thing was good, but it did not include Twist. If you don't want Twist to be in there then K.A.R.P/KARP would be a good name, but it sounds like a fish.
You could call it Konception, based of the word concept, and the K from Kam. -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:37:08QUOTE (Aries @ Dec 3 2008, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Nice concept.
TEK's thing was good, but it did not include Twist. If you don't want Twist to be in there then K.A.R.P/KARP would be a good name, but it sounds like a fish.
Magickarp?
And the idea is very creative but doesn't sound easy to construct at all
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:38:58QUOTE (Kam @ Dec 3 2008, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Spoiler:
Great idea, I can't wait to see the prototype.
maybe... iRetract? You know, it retracts itself... -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:46:12
well, i was discussing with Tek, and I actually wanted to see if I can change the wording to spell K.A.R.M.A
this is what we came up
Kam's automatic retractable mod....automatically
lol XD
@Aries: I like that suggestion...might try to play around with that word
@Nateiskewl: you know, your opinions are not bad. But the words you choose to express them are just...errr....unpleasant(?). If you just expressed them in a neutral manner, people would be a lot more open to your comments.
@the people requesting pictures/video: they will come...I am still at work...if I can get the mod to a presentable state tonight, i'll shoot a pic and maybe video.
@calimartinio: it doesn't sound easy to construct because....it's NOT xD -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 01:53:19
how about the Painter Mod (ART)
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 02:12:44
I found some good Synonyms for Twist that aught to help . . .
arc, Bend, Braid, Coil, Convolution, Curlicue, Curve, Flourish, hank, Helix, jerk, Meander, plug, ply, pull, roll, Spiral, swivel, torsion, turn, twine, undulation, warp, wind, wrench, yank, ZigZag
Personal Favorites:
Arc - A Good "A" Word
Coil - Makes me think of snakes
Helix - This word is awesome
Swivel - It sounds quite professional
Warped - Simple yet refined
@Kam - When you look at your prototype . . . What the first person, place, thing, or animal that comes to mind?
(NinjaKai had AP Psych and now he thinks he knows everything xD) -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 02:16:44
Aut-RSP
automatic retractible smart pen -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 02:20:01
uhhhh....maybe RSVP COMPLEX?
(since its hard to make....) -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 02:24:41
Oh and if you want to spell Karma you can use
Kam's Adjustable Retractible master automatic -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 02:25:49
Is this the twisted MX photo on your photobucket?
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 02:36:33
Call it the Auto MX, keep it simple and away from weird flashy names.
If it doesn't look like an MX then use "AT" for Auto/Twistable as a suffix on the name of the base pen.
RSVP AT
HGG AT
G3 AT
Or if AT just isn't cool enough: ATX.
RSVP MX
RSVP CX
RSVP NX MMT
RSVP ATX -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 03:22:36QUOTE (dust_kid @ Dec 3 2008, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is this the twisted MX photo on your photobucket?
No. Thats the TWISTED MX. -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 03:53:19
wow i cant wait to see this.
i have half of those pens already so im lucky
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 04:44:57
Kam's inkTelligence mod.
K.I.M. for short. -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 04:56:01QUOTE (Fripâ„¢ @ Dec 3 2008, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I like how people believe this...without a video.
Kam make a video of the pen and then people can decide on a name.
It's possible. Very possible. 
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 06:38:32
how about simply Auto MX?
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 06:51:42
Wouldn't you say the MX name has gotten a bit
*Shifty eyes*
Cliche?
*Flinch* -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 07:13:41
K.A.R.M.A
Kam's Auto Retractable Magic Awesome-pen ?
does it work like those MP where the clicker is on the grip exept instead of a MP its a pen and to write you hold down the clicker thing. that would probably be easy to do -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 07:47:11
KTMX?
kams twisted mx
or...
KSMX?
kams swivel/spiral mx
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 08:57:31QUOTE (Aries @ Dec 4 2008, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You could call it Konception, based of the word concept, and the K from Kam.QUOTE (iMatt @ Dec 4 2008, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Kam's inkTelligence mod.
K.I.M. for short.
Win! -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 09:13:17
Its Christmas anyway, so is this your gift to all of us spinners?
Xmas MXKamMX
I agree with the KARMA since its quick to say. -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 11:43:52
S.A.N.D.R.A
Smart Automatic uNexpected Drop Retraction Action ?
then everyone can be like
"hey whats that pen called"
"her name is sandra"
"wtf?"
"Sandra, Smart Automatic uNexpected Drop Retraction Action"
"but unexpected doesnt start with n"
"well obviously its the seconds leter in unexpected it uses, gawd"
"Oh that is a really smart name then, we should be friends"
"No, Sandra is my only friend"
"wtf?" -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 11:57:27
How about K.A.M.? (Kam's Auto Mx)
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 12:51:17QUOTE (wtf@cody @ Dec 4 2008, 06:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How about K.A.M.? (Kam's Auto Mx)
agreed -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 14:33:00
Can't think of a good name but good to hear you are still developing new stuff.
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 15:03:52
so what happens if you're spinning the pen in writing position? i.e. initial position of wiper.
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 15:46:24
That's sounds like a really nice idea
I've been waiting for a good mod for writing for quite a while >__<
I'll probably won't come up with something new or good for a name, but let me just say... please don't make it something like "Kam's Ultra Mega Super Great Amzing Retr. Mod" >_>
Idon't mean you shouldn't put your name in there, but adding all those titles just makes it sound... kinda lame IMO =\
Good luck with it, I'd love to see how it looks and retracts ^^ -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 16:51:46
yet again...the hype of kams mods grows...
kam = king of hype lol -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 19:25:25
KIM Kam inkTelligent Mod by iMatt is the best name.
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 20:32:14
Man...i thought I was going to settle with Koncept AR last night, but then I come here this morning and there are so many interesting names xD
first, while taking a shower this morning, I thought of a way o using Karma. This is how it goes
KARM-A (Kam's Auto-retractable Mod, version A....using letters instead of numbers for version)
It's kind of forced, but you could read it as a single word...Karma....instead of Karm-Ay
As far as Auto MX, I really don't think MX is a good fit for a name. It's been overused, and even though the mod may look like an Impact MX, it is a completely different beast than a MX. Therefore I find the term MX would be confusing/deceiving if used for this mod.
@2DK...that's hilarious...although if you read the first post carefully, you'll see that it doesn't react on drop. I was thinking it could be simplified though.
Maybe S.A.R.A - Smart Auto Retractable Action
@iMatt: K.I.M is not bad...but sounds a bit too short -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 20:35:59
to make it work you could try to figure out a weight system. If you have a wait on the end of the ink stick ,then when you lift is vertically the ink comes down, but it slides back down in other directions. There would still be a lot of kinks to work out with this, but it might work
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 20:40:53QUOTE (IAmTheMrGuy @ Dec 4 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>to make it work you could try to figure out a weight system. If you have a wait on the end of the ink stick ,then when you lift is vertically the ink comes down, but it slides back down in other directions. There would still be a lot of kinks to work out with this, but it might work
well, i'm sure there are multiple ways to approach this problem...I already figured out one of the simplest ways. It's not perfect, but it works.
The weight system you're proposed may encounter some problems because we do spin the pen vertically as well, so how can you tell when you're writing vertically as opposed to spinning vertically? It is a nice idea, but definitely needs more research
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 21:12:32
K.A.R.M.A
Kams Auto Retratable Modification Adjustable
Or for the A:
Awesomeness
The type-A idea
Aurora xD idk. -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 21:44:59
Here's a pic of the mod as it stands right now.
Please keep in mind that this is a prototype, so there's plenty of room for improvement. -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 21:49:48
O I see, like a temporary rectract. The SARX.
I don't think that these names should be pronounced as words. They're acronyms -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 22:22:06
what does it say below the world first smart pen?
Oh, and it looks great! I'm already making a new mechanism of my own -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 22:25:19
it's a bunch of words combined together. I didn't want it to not have a title, but I still haven't decided on a name yet xD
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 22:26:52
oh, lol
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 22:41:31
wow. that is a really crazy pen mod right there! its a really intresting idea about how the grip thing works. id like to see the mechanics of it!
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 22:45:00
how bout AARGH...not because it stands for anything but 'cause its Pirate.....
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 22:52:23
KaMX.
idk like Kam + MX. -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 01:20:52
How much does it cost and how much time did u take? and whats w/ the whole cap of grips?
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Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 01:31:01
seems like it would be a pain to have to position the pen in the exact right spot so your fingers are on the grip. I'd love to see how it works when you release the final one!
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Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 01:33:15
Holy shit...just by looking at the mechanism is enough to make me dizzy.
Name... RetractMX? RSVP ARMX? RetraX? I dunno. -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 01:38:31
That is the main flaw i am trying to fix. Since this is a new concept, it's kind of hard to get it perfect the first time, or 2nd, or 3rd
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Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 01:52:48
how about The Smart Mod
sorry if someone said this already but what about
Kams Auto Retractable MX
KARMX(kinda looks like KAR-MAX,lol) -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 01:55:13
I still like "Konception". Brief. One word. Looks nice, and i see there is room for improvement, but that will change in due time.
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Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 02:11:18QUOTE (Aries @ Dec 4 2008, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I still like "Konception". Brief. One word. Looks nice, and i see there is room for improvement, but that will change in due time.
lool whenever I see that word being brought up, I think its a spelling error.
It seems out of place and stands out. (but that may be a good thing)
Not flaming or anything, but it looks kind of silly to me. xD
In the end, it's Kam's choice; so yea, just saying my say.
edit: what does the real word 'conception' have to do with the mod anyways? o-o -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 02:13:21QUOTE (NinjaKai @ Dec 3 2008, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wouldn't you say the MX name has gotten a bit
*Shifty eyes*
Cliche?
*Flinch*
kam MADE the MX, it's not his fault other people use it for random crap -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 02:27:18QUOTE (Zombo @ Dec 4 2008, 07:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>so what happens if you're spinning the pen in writing position? i.e. initial position of wiper.
well, the way the mech is right now...nothing happens when doing wipers/infinities. This is because you need 2 things to get the ink out: proper positioning on the two buttons, and enough pressure.
Doing wipers or infinities won't meet both criterias, so it's not an issue.
However, this brings up the fact that it is inconvenient to hold down the buttons the entire time you are writing. I have tested and this works well for short writing, but if you're writing a lot, it will get tiring. That's why I added the twistable mech to be used for extended writing.
It's not perfect, but it proves that the concept can be done. -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 02:43:51
that looks hella hard to make.. lol -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 03:33:19
it is LOL.
drill and cut lol alot of stuffs.
the mech looks cool whoo(: -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 04:23:20
call it KARP
K - Kam's
A - Auto
R - Retractable
P - Pen
i like how it looks -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 04:44:47QUOTE (Heva @ Dec 4 2008, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>call it KARP
K - Kam's
A - Auto
R - Retractable
P - Pen
i like how it looks
total repeat. come up with something different -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 04:47:44
This is gonna rattle really bad, I bet.
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Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 04:49:52
why do u say that? A spring and a twist mechanism should put enough pressure for the insides to be rather stable i think.
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Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 05:50:10QUOTE (Kam @ Dec 4 2008, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well, the way the mech is right now...nothing happens when doing wipers/infinities. This is because you need 2 things to get the ink out: proper positioning on the two buttons, and enough pressure.
Doing wipers or infinities won't meet both criterias, so it's not an issue.
However, this brings up the fact that it is inconvenient to hold down the buttons the entire time you are writing. I have tested and this works well for short writing, but if you're writing a lot, it will get tiring. That's why I added the twistable mech to be used for extended writing.
It's not perfect, but it proves that the concept can be done.
why cant it be that pressing locks the tip into place, and press again to unlock
i like the name inktelligent, whoever said that.
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Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 06:51:41QUOTE (Kam @ Dec 5 2008, 05:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@2DK...that's hilarious...although if you read the first post carefully, you'll see that it doesn't react on drop. I was thinking it could be simplified though.
Maybe S.A.R.A - Smart Auto Retractable Action
@iMatt: K.I.M is not bad...but sounds a bit too short
Oh yeah i dont know why i thought that :/ probly something to do with the "regular pens stain our clothes and get damaged on drops"
But S.A.R.A isn't Sandra D: its just not the same *cries*
how about
S.A.N.D.R.A B.A.R.S
Super Not Destroying Radical-Apparel Because it Automatically Retracts Satisfyingly
and no, no one i know is called Sandra Bars or even Sandra
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Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 07:18:30
hello guys this is not a pen naming game.
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Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 07:29:23
Only the government could come up with an abbreviation like: S.A.N.D.R.A.B.A.R.S
Call the pen 'Spirit'.
lol -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 08:46:03
Oh shit that's hot... and clever too.
____ AR!!!! -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 16:37:52QUOTE (loonwern93 @ Dec 5 2008, 03:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hello guys this is not a pen naming game.
Yes, it is. I think the best ones so far are "Inktelligent" and "Konception"
"Spirit" sounds good, but what does it have to do with the pen?
@Zumbo:
That's what the twisting mechanism is for so you can have it out for a long time. The press and release system is for writing down brief things, and if you happen to drop it, you will release, and the ink will retract. -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 16:52:23
WOW !!
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Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 17:14:58QUOTE (Zombo @ Dec 5 2008, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>why cant it be that pressing locks the tip into place, and press again to unlock
i like the name inktelligent, whoever said that.
if he could somehow incorperate a reg. click mech into the front it would be possible.
or even the twist mech.
I think that the push one is cool.. although not really practical at all.
That mech is actually from a mech. pencil.. so you could use the front for that.
but i think just a twisty mech is fine.
i dunno... innovations always a good thing. -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 19:30:09QUOTE (Zombo @ Dec 4 2008, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>why cant it be that pressing locks the tip into place, and press again to unlock
i like the name inktelligent, whoever said that.
That is easily done using the same mechanism. However, the main goal was to have the ink tube retract automatically.
I know a side retractable mod would be convenient, but you still have to consciously retract the ink. If you forget to do so, you're still vulnerable to ink stains. Or if someone knocked your mod out of your hand, there's a chance the tip will be damaged when hitting the floor.QUOTE (Stevieboy7 @ Dec 5 2008, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if he could somehow incorperate a reg. click mech into the front it would be possible.
or even the twist mech.
I think that the push one is cool.. although not really practical at all.
That mech is actually from a mech. pencil.. so you could use the front for that.
but i think just a twisty mech is fine.
i dunno... innovations always a good thing.
Well, the clicking mechanism doesn't have to be in the front. I added a ARMX mech to the back before and you can click the side buttons to have it lock the ink. But like I said before...that would be just a side retractable mod. I'm aiming to make an automatic retractable mod
I am working on a front twistable mech for my Twisted MX. But that's something different altogether ^^
Oh yeah...i gathered the name suggestions that I liked the most and created a poll (sorry, some of the other names were cool, but I just didn't feel it suited this mod).
Please vote ^^
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Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 23:18:22
well its gonna hve to be very short messages, like 2 letters max, cuz pressing on a pen hurts your fingers very much.
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Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 23:41:20
lol...it's not that bad. If you mod it very precisely (everything is aligned, and there's no resitance going through the HGG tip), and adjust the tension of the spring properly, it doesn't require that much pressure to keep the tip out.
But I understand this is a problem that cannot be easily solved. You need some force to keep the ink out (assuming there's a constant spring force trying to get the ink back in). Which means you need to apply at least the same amount of force as the spring (if not more). The only other way to apply this force without tiring your fingers would be use some sort of eletronic device. But I think that's a little out of our reach at this point.
The alternative is to not have a constant force trying to get the ink back. But that would mean you need some way to detect when the pen leaves your hand, and apply a retractable force then. And I have not found a feasible way to do that.
Perhaps this is getting off topic. It's probably a project worth bringing to the Research Department. -
Date: Fri, Dec 5 2008 23:47:53QUOTE (Kam @ Dec 6 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The only other way to apply this force without tiring your fingers would be use some sort of eletronic device. But I think that's a little out of our reach at this point.
You mean some sort of touching sensor device? like... a touch screen under the grip perhaps and if it senses pressure it pulls out the ink?
Sounds possible to me doing that.. however will need LOTS of testing -
Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 00:19:00QUOTE (Kam @ Dec 5 2008, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol...it's not that bad. If you mod it very precisely (everything is aligned, and there's no resitance going through the HGG tip), and adjust the tension of the spring properly, it doesn't require that much pressure to keep the tip out.
But I understand this is a problem that cannot be easily solved. You need some force to keep the ink out (assuming there's a constant spring force trying to get the ink back in). Which means you need to apply at least the same amount of force as the spring (if not more). The only other way to apply this force without tiring your fingers would be use some sort of eletronic device. But I think that's a little out of our reach at this point.
The alternative is to not have a constant force trying to get the ink back. But that would mean you need some way to detect when the pen leaves your hand, and apply a retractable force then. And I have not found a feasible way to do that.
Perhaps this is getting off topic. It's probably a project worth bringing to the Research Department.
YES, RD ACTIVITY ^^
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Date: Sat, Dec 6 2008 10:16:53
Err.. I'm a Asian,I have to write much so do I have to push many pressure on it or we just need a little pressure to retract the ink(Sorry for bad English).
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Date: Sun, Dec 7 2008 06:17:49
hmm...i'm guessing if i actually make this, and use it in school, with all the long essays and all,
my hand's gonna tire, AND, when i write, my fingers are normally nearer to the tip.
in this mod, is there a way that you can adjust the positon of the thingys you need
to apply pressure on for the ink to come out?
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Date: Sun, Dec 7 2008 06:20:34QUOTE (V2D @ Dec 6 2008, 05:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Err.. I'm a Asian,I have to write much so do I have to push many pressure on it or we just need a little pressure to retract the ink(Sorry for bad English).QUOTE (G10 @ Dec 7 2008, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hmm...i'm guessing if i actually make this, and use it in school, with all the long essays and all,
my hand's gonna tire, AND, when i write, my fingers are normally nearer to the tip.
in this mod, is there a way that you can adjust the positon of the thingys you need
to apply pressure on for the ink to come out?
That's why Kam installed the twisted mechanism thing... where you can twist the cap like in HG3Rs and the ink will lock in place and you don't have to press it at all and it'll stay out. -
Date: Sun, Dec 7 2008 06:24:54
but if ur in the twisted mode, then its just like regular retractable mod no? meaning the tip will not retract automatically
and it seems to be that 90% of the time ur gonna be using the twist and not the press -
Date: Sun, Dec 7 2008 06:25:49
OHH. okay. i get it now. thanks for the info, JC.
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Date: Sun, Dec 7 2008 19:13:30
lol, I see that K.A.R.M.A. wins most of the votes.
I still like iRetract.
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Date: Sun, Dec 7 2008 19:14:46
Omni-Pen?
On Kammand (On Command writing...)
D.A.R.E. (Durable, Auto, Retrctable, Evolution) -
Date: Sun, Dec 7 2008 21:22:07
It looks good Kam, but how is it while writing with it? I mean, it looks annoying to hold the pen so the "buttons" are pressed down while writing. I know you can twist it if you need to have the ink out longer, but still.
Konception is fuckin' a anyway. -
Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 03:43:28
i think you may add more grip to make it awesome
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Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 14:04:24
i hope to trade this it's real good
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Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 15:03:32
lol'd hard @ SANDRA
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Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 07:06:53
i voted for sandra cuz im starting to name my pens...may as well name another =D
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Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 07:37:14
Kams automated finger rocket
KAFR mod -
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 07:41:49
thanks for all the name suggestions, everyone.
The crowd has spoken...the mod will be named Karma when it comes out. I am closing the poll.
I'll continue to work on this prototype as time allows. Probably won't happen until after new years though. -
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 08:22:38
Kam, I'm just wondering, some people hold their pens(in writing position) closer to the tip while some hold it uhh somewhere else. Is it possible to make the buttons bigger os some other funky mechanism to allow everyone to have this funky mechanism? if you're getting what i mean.
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Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 10:25:19
GG KAM!!!
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Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 21:18:55QUOTE (BloorA @ Dec 10 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Kam, I'm just wondering, some people hold their pens(in writing position) closer to the tip while some hold it uhh somewhere else. Is it possible to make the buttons bigger os some other funky mechanism to allow everyone to have this funky mechanism? if you're getting what i mean.
That is the major flaw of this prototype so far. But fixing it is proving to be quite difficult. A bigger button would mean bigger holes in the body, which would mean less 'solid' body area. In other words, it could make the pen more vulnerable to breakage
I was thinking of actually making the buttons smaller, and putting more of them instead of 2. Something like 12 of them spread out. But there is no available thing in the market like this, so I would have to build my own....which I tried and failed miserably xD
Anyways...there's nothing like a good challenge
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Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 07:36:36
sweet
but wht if i held the grip for infinity
or did a spread then accidentally hit the button?
will it come out? -
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 08:15:11
You have to hold the buttons down for the ink to come out.
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Date: Sun, Dec 21 2008 21:59:28
Lol too many pages to look through to find problems but with mine i didn't use an hgg tip inside of the impact tip making my tip closer(it fits over the little lip on the pencil front end) to the buttons. i still find the buttons pretty annoying to use but i think it made my writing look nicer i don't know why and does the armx back end actually work because the compression piece inside the mech gets really close to the white nub and i thought it would need more space to get that close?
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Date: Sun, Dec 21 2008 22:57:03
errr...there's no armx mech on my prototype. There's a Twistable mech on the back. I think the main problems (other than making the construction more sturdy are:
1. Positioning of the buttons (although yours is probably more natural, it really depends on the person. Different people are used to holding the pen differently for writing)
2. Long-term writing gets tiring (which is why I added the twistable mech at the back. If we solve this problem, an alternative mech won't be needed) -
Date: Sun, Dec 21 2008 23:53:44
i saw a few pages back some mention of the anyball retractable back.
Which body did you use rsvp or the g3? The g3 would probably fit tighter with the rsvp it was a little loose. -
Date: Mon, Dec 22 2008 03:00:39
Only thing is, it's not good for people who like to write holding the pen at the very tip.
When I use my neat writing, I hold the MP/Pen at the very tip....my fingers barely touch the grip if it has one.
It's a lot harder to control holding it from that far back. -
Date: Fri, Dec 26 2008 05:19:14
Good Job Kam. Very Creative. Cant wait till you release the tutorial.
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Date: Sun, Jan 25 2009 16:56:36
Hey Kam is the IRT used for just it's metal tip?
And if so can it be replaced with a Uni-ball signo tip? -
Date: Sun, Jan 25 2009 21:00:32
looks awesome cant wait for the release
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Date: Sun, Jan 25 2009 21:28:08QUOTE (meir @ Jan 25 2009, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>looks awesome cant wait for the release
Kam, When do you think the tutorial will be realsed? -
Date: Mon, Jan 26 2009 22:11:34
Well, this is only a prototype. No tutorials will be released for prototypes because...well...they are not final and still may have many problems.
At this point, I don't have much time for modding, so there's little progress on this mod. What I can say though, is that I will probably start over from scratch. The problem regarding the location you have to press on the grip is too big to ignore :/ And I also want to make it less straining on your fingers, so that you don't need a twistable mech as a backup.
So yeah...don't expect this to come out anytime soon. Right now there are other things I have to focus on, so it'll be a while before I get back into this. If you want to try this on your own, feel free to do so. The mechanism is shown in detail on the pic, but as I said, the fixed position poses a big problem. I have a couple of ideas, but they are improving quite hard to make.