UPSB v3

Board Comments / Issues Within The PS Community

Mostly UPSB, though

  1. Eso
    Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 14:48:59

    1. Skewed information is being passed around. It's sad that most people don't have the right filters in their heads and cannot distinguish between fact and opinion. For example, if someone here who is influential, like an admin or good spinner or whatever, said outright that they dislike heavy mods or mods that make spinning easier, that kind of opinion (not fact) will be passed along to the lesser experienced spinner and will cause people to essentially copy other's opinions instead of judging them objectively. For those of you who are influential, you have to realize that you mean something to someone here in the forums and they will take what you say seriously.

    2. Elitism is still slightly there. Sometimes it's warranted, but most of the time it's not. Especially if it's from someone who has only been spinning for less than half a year. I appreciate the support you give me because I tend to get annoyed with questions and whatnot, but to blatantly bash every single noob is not right. In fact, you're still a noob yourself. There's a difference between being annoyed at redundant questions and being a dick about things.

    That's pretty much all I have to say... If this is moved, no need to state why. I'll understand, moderators.

  2. sketching
    Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 17:30:51

    I can't help it if the NX MMT is way too long for me. tongue.gif The forums have always been a place to give opinions on the subjects posted, it would be a shame if any member is not allowed to post his/her opinions as long as they are not malicious and posted to incite flaming.


    I doubt that there was much of a time when there was not some amount of elitism on these kinds of message boards. The increased noob flaming is unsettling.

  3. Eso
    Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 19:31:49

    QUOTE (sketching @ Oct 15 2007, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I can't help it if the NX MMT is way too long for me. tongue.gif The forums have always been a place to give opinions on the subjects posted, it would be a shame if any member is not allowed to post his/her opinions as long as they are not malicious and posted to incite flaming.


    Well, I'm not saying it's wrong to have an opinion, but when people start to follow your opinion blindly, which is what it seems like a good number of people are doing, then that's unsettling. I also personally believe that the MSXA is quite long for me, but I make sure I don't bash on it or anything malicious because you never know who's reading and will take your opinion to the extreme.

    Hope I got that cleared up.

  4. Zombo
    Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 22:42:52

    This thread fails to deliver. Here's why:

    1. Those "issues" are not problems of the PS community itself, they're problems with society in general. Politics is exactly about influencing masses of "sheeps" through charisma (Critical thinking is taught in schools to palliate this problem). Social ranking exists and is a prime demonstration of elitism. So what's the point of stating the obvious? I fail to see the point of even making a thread about it. If anything, make a thread about positivity, not negativity. What to do, not what you ought not to do.

    2. "Mostly UPSB". What does that mean? Are you knowledgeable enough in all PS communities to declare those problems to exist within UPSB "mostly"? The neighbors' grass is greener I suppose.

    3. Those kind of threads poison the atmosphere. It starts with unprovoked negative threads that get people thinking, then the next thing you know, everybody's favourite buzzword: " is dying" gets thrown around, when in fact things have barely changed. Please wait until the board is really in a critical condition to declare a state of panic. The frequency of those so-called "dark ages" is about 1 per 6 months, which is way too often. You want a real dying board? Try UCPSB.

    Now maybe I'm pushing this to the extreme and maybe this wasn't your intention since point #3 doesn't really address your subject, but stamping a big title like "Issues within the PS community" when the content isn't event remotely close to warrant such title just screams sensationalism to me. Maybe you're aiming for shock value.

  5. romainhxc
    Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 23:50:54

    QUOTE
    Skewed information is being passed around. It's sad that most people don't have the right filters in their heads and cannot distinguish between fact and opinion. For example, if someone here who is influential, like an admin or good spinner or whatever, said outright that they dislike heavy mods or mods that make spinning easier, that kind of opinion (not fact) will be passed along to the lesser experienced spinner and will cause people to essentially copy other's opinions instead of judging them objectively. For those of you who are influential, you have to realize that you mean something to someone here in the forums and they will take what you say seriously.


    thats not a community problem actually, people have to think by themseves. if they can't understand that someone can have an opinion without it reflecting the actual thruth, we can't do nothing about it.

    experienced spinners or mods/admins doesn't have to moderate their words because sombody may take these words as general thruth.
    i think everyone is responsible for his own words, but you can't blame some one because when he said : this mod is wack, all the sheeps have followed him.

    QUOTE
    but to blatantly bash every single noob is not right. In fact, you're still a noob yourself. There's a difference between being annoyed at redundant questions and being a dick about things.


    100% agree

  6. Retro-spectre
    Date: Tue, Oct 16 2007 00:15:14

    QUOTE (Zombo @ Oct 15 2007, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    3. Those kind of threads poison the atmosphere.


    They only poison the atmosphere if you're one to truly believe that it is a negative post. He's bringing up legit concerns, and while I agree that elitism exists elsewhere, it doesn't mean we can't discourage it here. mellow.gif

    QUOTE (Zombo @ Oct 15 2007, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    It starts with unprovoked negative threads that get people thinking, then the next thing you know, everybody's favourite buzzword: " is dying" gets thrown around, when in fact things have barely changed.


    Sounds like walking on fuckin' eggshells to me. Can't post negative threads? Who decides what's negative? What next, all the moderators get titles such as 'Fuhrer'? happy.gif

    QUOTE (Zombo @ Oct 15 2007, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Please wait until the board is really in a critical condition to declare a state of panic. The frequency of those so-called "dark ages" is about 1 per 6 months, which is way too often. You want a real dying board? Try UCPSB.


    I didn't see the transition from "negative threads" to "state of emergency". laugh.gif

    QUOTE (Zombo @ Oct 15 2007, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Now maybe I'm pushing this to the extreme


    This. tongue.gif

    QUOTE (Zombo @ Oct 15 2007, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    ... and maybe this wasn't your intention since point #3 doesn't really address your subject, but stamping a big title like "Issues within the PS community" when the content isn't event remotely close to warrant such title just screams sensationalism to me. Maybe you're aiming for shock value.


    Bwahaha, shock value? I don't see any point in "shock value". He's simply trying to discourage elitist behavior. Whether you agree or not, this is just absurd to even mention this. Yadadamean? tongue.gif

  7. Zombo
    Date: Tue, Oct 16 2007 00:17:10

    hey I'm just typing my standard reply to these kind of threads, I'm bracing for the worst. Threads like this sound harmless but they do trigger something deeper more often than not. You gotta be careful.

    I've seen enough of those threads to anticipate what's coming up. Deja vu.

    I'm just saying instead of saying "this board has a elitist problem" why not just skip that part and directly say "be helpful to newcomers, you are still one too in a way"?

    the premise of the thread is a good one, I just don't think it was delivered in a proper way.

  8. Retro-spectre
    Date: Tue, Oct 16 2007 00:23:36

    QUOTE (Zombo @ Oct 15 2007, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I'm just saying instead of saying "this board has a elitist problem" why not just skip that part and directly say "be helpful to newcomers, you are still one too in a way"?

    the premise of the thread is a good one, I just don't think it was delivered in a proper way.


    Yes, I agree.

  9. Tim
    Date: Tue, Oct 16 2007 07:31:52

    Why don't you just lock this thread if it's going to create problems, you've already posted you're arguments and opinions and such, just lock it.

  10. Sfsr
    Date: Tue, Oct 16 2007 09:14:59

    Now that would be overkill, and the "fuhrer" part retro wrote about would be all the more true. Things need to be able to come up for discussion, maybe just not in this way.

  11. Tialys
    Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 16:03:04

    The first point, as previously stated, is a reflection of a particular societal attitude, but so is the second point to some extent. Only a forum with a mature, informed membership will contain absolutely no condescension; otherwise, some elitism will always remain. Even though these issues exist within the community, they are caused by external sources and as such cannot be remedied within the capabilities of the forum, only mitigated.