UPSB v3
Advanced Tricks / Extended Thumbaround
Help!
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Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 21:11:56
any tips?
i have trouble turning my hand when it comes to the catch.
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Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 21:25:09
I would suggest that you try not to turn your hand. All you need to do move is your fingers for the catch. I am right handed and my hand slightly rotates to the right sometime when I do this trick but it is very small movement if any.
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Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 23:01:23
i cant get it!! haha all you have to do is to close your fist (fingers 1,2,3,4) (like tougching your palm) and leaving your thumb up, (this have to be done when the pen rotates 360) and then make the "thumb thing", and then try to catch it.. (a begginner advice) try to watch some videos from youtube
sorry for my english
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Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 23:11:43QUOTE (Sabertrail @ Oct 15 2007, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i cant get it!! haha all you have to do is to close your fist (fingers 1,2,3,4) (like tougching your palm) and leaving your thumb up, (this have to be done when the pen rotates 360) and then make the "thumb thing", and then try to catch it.. (a begginner advice) try to watch some videos from youtube
sorry for my english
He was asking about extended thumbaround. You are talking about regular thumbaround. -
Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 23:17:47
@Sabertrail: Sounds like your talking about a Double Thumbaround if you ask me.
For the Extended TA I like to use my index finger, find it easier to get an accurate push. Try doing the push like you normally would, but don't catch it like normal. When the pen is in the position to be caught like a normal TA (between T1) tilt the hand from Palm Side to Palm Down. Keep your index and middle relaxed with a slight bend on your middle for the catch.
When I do an Ext TA:
Push with 1 > 1.0 spin around the T > .5 or so spin on base of 1 (during tilt of hand) > .5 spin on catch in between 12
When I was learning to do an Ext TA:
I just did a normal TA but instead of catching it like normal I tried tilting my hand to guide it into 12. I just did this over and over and over again, after a while the success rate started to increase, and now every time I execute the push the tilt guides the pen into it's catch position. Like any other trick, the best way to get it right is to just keep doing it until its done! (with some mental consideration
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Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 23:22:43QUOTE (NDiZ @ Oct 15 2007, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@Sabertrail: Sounds like your talking about a Double Thumbaround if you ask me.
For the Extended TA I like to use my index finger, find it easier to get an accurate push. Try doing the push like you normally would, but don't catch it like normal. When the pen is in the position to be caught like a normal TA (between T1) tilt the hand from Palm Side to Palm Down. Keep your index and middle relaxed with a slight bend on your middle for the catch. When I do an Ext TA:
Push with 1 > 1.0 spin around the T > .5 or so spin on base of 1 (during tilt of hand) > .5 spin on catch in between 12
i think i get it now.
just need to practice it.
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Date: Mon, Oct 15 2007 23:39:13
sorry i think you talked about double ta! i was confused sorry!
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Date: Tue, Oct 16 2007 01:45:58
easiest way to learn ext TA is to learn shadow first, once you get the concept of shadow, or if you can do shadow it will be easy to do it and catch it. from my experience at least..
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Date: Tue, Oct 16 2007 19:30:55QUOTE (Aries @ Oct 15 2007, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>easiest way to learn ext TA is to learn shadow first, once you get the concept of shadow, or if you can do shadow it will be easy to do it and catch it. from my experience at least..
maybe that's why... my shadow is so bad... i can do it but it looks awkward.
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Date: Tue, Oct 16 2007 20:33:49QUOTE (Aries @ Oct 16 2007, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>easiest way to learn ext TA is to learn shadow first, once you get the concept of shadow, or if you can do shadow it will be easy to do it and catch it. from my experience at least..
eh it's for the catch part right... -
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 01:01:00
If you perform the Extended TA hybrid with a vertical palm, you don't need to know Shadow at all...
When ending the TA, most of the pen should be above the index finger so that the pen's momentum can carry right over the top and into the 12 slot. At the end of the TA, pull the index finger in slightly to give a small push to the bottom of the pen to help flip it over the index finger. -
Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 07:55:03
When starting learning it it might be easier to kind of catch the pen far out between T and 1 and then do more of a gunman motion. Later you can develop that to a Ext TA that spins over index instead.
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Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 20:36:58QUOTE (Sfsr @ Oct 17 2007, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>...then do more of a gunman motion. Later you can develop that to a Ext TA that spins over index instead.
I don't see how an Indexaround Reverse will help with Ext TA.
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Date: Wed, Oct 17 2007 21:02:29
The way I mean it's the same as a regular Ext TA, only that you don't use the momentum of the TA to get around the Index. And not an IndexAround Rev, rather a PassAround Rev.
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 13:25:04
Did some searching and found this. Sorry if its bringing up a dead thread but i really need help with this. My friend wants me to learn it and well i try but i can't get my hand to face down after a TA. I know shadow, infact i can do shadow all the time with ease. Watched Eso's vid, wasn't that helpful kinda. Just my hand doesn't want to face down when i do a TA and when i try it do it too late, or im doing a TA too fast.
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Date: Thu, May 15 2008 15:35:14
You don't need to turn your hand down when you do the FL Indexaround, just keep your hand sideways. Once you get Fake Double with a sideways hand, you can try to turn it down after the TA, if you want.
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Date: Fri, May 16 2008 10:39:51
i just put it on the top of my hand and cactching it i hope it helps.
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Date: Sat, May 17 2008 03:29:54
sketching...your ext thumbaround confuses me. can you redo a vid with palm down?
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Date: Sun, May 25 2008 00:57:57
I can do the vertical ext ta which you do but it doesn't look appealing compared to hands down. Thats my only prob, i can't twist my hand down and catch it properly.
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Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 05:42:59
dead thread revival go go go
on-topic: i never really got how to do this trick, when i do a TA and then try to twist my hand into palm-down, my indexfinger just knocks the pen to the left (i'm right-handed) instead of "supposedly" keep spinning. lolwtfbbq -
Date: Wed, Aug 27 2008 06:00:06
dont try so hard to conciously turn your hand, because you don't HAVE to turn your hand. Just try to get the pen to spin around your index. Eventually, you'll start to naturally turn your hand because it's easier to catch that way
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Date: Thu, Aug 28 2008 12:43:36
When exactly should you turn/twist your hand? Completely before the pen hits your index; right before it hits your index or just as the pen hits your index?
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Date: Thu, Aug 28 2008 15:55:29QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Aug 27 2008, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>dont try so hard to conciously turn your hand, because you don't HAVE to turn your hand. Just try to get the pen to spin around your index. Eventually, you'll start to naturally turn your hand because it's easier to catch that way
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Date: Fri, Dec 26 2008 20:38:38
ppl on this thread keep saying "you don't HAVE to turn your hand". now that i've learned it i see why it is so...but i'm wondering, would the combo ability with ETA be different depending on whether you turn your hand or not? is one of them "better" than the other?
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Date: Fri, Dec 26 2008 21:12:13QUOTE (Point @ Dec 26 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ppl on this thread keep saying "you don't HAVE to turn your hand". now that i've learned it i see why it is so...but i'm wondering, would the combo ability with ETA be different depending on whether you turn your hand or not? is one of them "better" than the other?
It's still an Extended TA either way. I see no real reason why one of them would be "better" than the other.
But yeah, people who spin different styles may or may not turn their hand when doing this trick. -
Date: Fri, Dec 26 2008 22:08:33
it mostly depends on what you want to do after the trick
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Date: Tue, Dec 30 2008 06:26:51
Same, I'm still having trouble, I tihnk I'll jsut practice more.