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Naming Committee / [topic][5.8.1] Mirrors
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Date: Sat, Jun 16 2007 07:25:34
Do we want to define the term mirror? If so, how?
Right now, there's already a precedent the naming of mirror. If demon's sonic is a sonic > (hybrid) twisted sonic, then mirrored demon's sonic would be rev sonic > (hybrid) rev twisted sonic. By that definition, reverse demon's sonic would be rev twisted sonic > (hybrid) rev sonic.
This leaves something else to be defined. What is twisted sonic > (hybrid) sonic? It's kind of a reverse - reverse demon's sonic. Nevermind... maybe it's just a reverse mirrored demon's sonic.
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Date: Thu, Feb 7 2008 02:45:58
I suggest that the term Mirrored be officially deprecated by the NC in favor of Interrupted Trick Notation.
The idea might be best to be kept simply as a learning tool to help people wrap their heads around the idea of reverseing every trick in a hybrid combo but performing the reverses in the same order as the original hybrid, instead of performing a true reversal of the hybrid combo. In this way, the idea of a mirrored combo/hybrid combo may be a useful tool for a beginner to be able to think of new combos base on well-known existing combos. -
Date: Thu, Feb 7 2008 04:15:53
I agree that we should get rid of this. It's really only useful in the absence of a hybrid trick notation. I don't think I agree, though, that we should keep it as a learning tool. There's way too much confusion concerning this term.
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Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 13:55:42
A discussion has been introduced in FPSB about the term "mirror", in "The Laboratory" section of the forums ( which is a private section like the RD ).
At that point, we are observing the difficulty to assign the term "mirror" to hybrids : some can be mirrored, some others can't. I will probably quote some of the discussions here to make it clear that RD depreciate the use of "mirror" word in official breakdowns. -
Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 08:19:03
I think mirroring should be flipping the trick around the hand. For example, a devils sonic is a twisted sonic ~ shadow, a devils sonic rev. is a shadow ~ twisted sonic, a devils sonic mirrored is a twisted sonic rev. ~ shadow rev.. However, if this is the definition of mirroring, than obviously many tricks mirrors are the same as rev.'s. In this case the warped sonic rev. is actually the warped sonic mirrored a a warped sonic rev' should actually be a pass rev' into a charge rev.. I came up with some mirrored tricks in a video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfzZPBETFO4 -
Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 12:08:13
You're wrong, if Devil's Sonic is Tw Sonic ~ Shadow, Devil's Sonic Rev has to be Tw Sonic Rev ~ Shadow Rev. The mirrored hybrid would be Shadow ~ Twisted Sonic, and the mirrored Reverse would be Shadow Reverse ~ Twisted Sonic Reverse.
Also I think that "swivels" are Normal and Reverse, not Normal and mirrored. -
Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 18:50:21
your definition of mirrored is what i've always considered reverse
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Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 06:23:59
Oh I didn't realise that my reverse definition was actually wrong. However, by definition, reverse should following the path from last position to the first and mirroring should be lateral inversion so it should flip around the hand.