UPSB v3
General Discussion / UPSB WT09 Selection
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Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 21:23:20
I just got confirmation from Crash: UPSB will have 4 spots for the WT09 in January.
We need to decide how we're going to select the participants.
I have 2 ideas: one is picking the spinners who go in, the other is having a local competition. We can do one or the other, or both, like the poll suggests.
Therefore, we must decide how many spots are selected and how many spots are allocated to the competition (I call it the wildcard spots).
In addition, you must answer the preferred method of selection, whether it be through public voting or staff selection. Note: even if you want all 4 spots to be wildcard spots, you must still vote for preferred selection method.
If we run a competition, it will have to be quick. Maybe 1-2 rounds at most, probably something like posting everybody's vid up and judging them in a free-for-all battle. The best vids get the spots.
Advantages of selection:
- quick
- easy to do
- doesn't waste effort and combos of the spinners
Advantages of wildcard:
- you need to put some effort to earn your spot
- test of skill and not popularity
- better estimate of who are the best spinners of upsb
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Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 21:31:31
Moderators choose so you dont get noobs who say "I picked this person because I dont like long fingernails".
Tournament so it's not by popularity and leave some good people out... -
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 21:46:04
i think we should just pic the WC people...everyone knows they are the best spinners on upsb.
a tournament to choose people would be terrible cuz they would be burnt out filming and creating combos before the real WT even starts... -
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 21:54:46QUOTE (Mystic @ Dec 17 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Moderators choose so you dont get noobs who say "I picked this person because I dont like long fingernails".
Tournament so it's not by popularity and leave some good people out...
QFTQUOTE (TEK @ Dec 17 2008, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i think we should just pic the WC people...everyone knows they are the best spinners on upsb.
a tournament to choose people would be terrible cuz they would be burnt out filming and creating combos before the real WT even starts...
Imo Eriror, Chau and Vic should be given there spots...they have already earned them. But the very last spot could go quite a few ways so I think we should have a tourney for that.....even if the spinner hafta fight for the last spot, they will be happy as hell that they are actually IN the WT...
so overall I would say:
3 people already get their spots (Eriror, Chau and Vic)
and the last spot will be given to the winner of a tourney.....
either way...this poll should be closed within a week or so because if we are having a tourney we will need to have it NOW or we will never have enough time for judging....
EDIT: Judges should be Zombo+Eriror+Chau+Vic+Xshadowfire? -
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 22:02:57QUOTE (TEK @ Dec 17 2008, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i think we should just pic the WC people...everyone knows they are the best spinners on upsb.
a tournament to choose people would be terrible cuz they would be burnt out filming and creating combos before the real WT even starts...
Like Zombo said, it should be a 1-2 round tourney. Everyone puts up a vid and spinners are selected from that. -
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 22:04:41
Um... I think it should be 2 from tourney and 2 from public vote... it's even that way
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Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 00:01:10
I put 2/2 but I meant to say 3/1 3 should be chosen by Mods, and the last slot should be given to a tourney winner.
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Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 00:04:11QUOTE (sangara @ Dec 17 2008, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I put 2/2 but I meant to say 3/1 3 should be chosen by Mods, and the last slot should be given to a tourney winner.
QFT!
who doesn't agree with this ~_~? -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 00:34:59
I like the 3-1 idea. Having everyone decided by tourny is silly. Eri, chautran, and vic for sure, will make it in anyway.
I say a one round tourny's good enough. Two only if the judges are having a hard time deciding. -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 00:39:00
How about this:
We do full voting, but noobs only count as 3/5 of a person. -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 00:40:31QUOTE (Mystic @ Dec 17 2008, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Moderators choose so you dont get noobs who say "I picked this person because I dont like long fingernails".
I love you.
Moderators should choose because we have too many inexperienced spinners who can't tell much difference between combos. Moderators have experience and obviously are in the right position to choose the best spinners on this board -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 00:54:29
I think you guys should choose. Let's not burn out our spinners please.
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Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 00:54:59QUOTE (SoldSoul @ Dec 17 2008, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I like the 3-1 idea. Having everyone decided by tourny is silly. Eri, chautran, and vic for sure, will make it in anyway.
I say a one round tourny's good enough. Two only if the judges are having a hard time deciding.
I'm almost anticipating the UPSB tourney more than the WT lolz...almost....if it happens that is -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 00:58:36
mods pic 3, nominate potential spinners for 4th slot and then public vote for that last slot
no tourney so they can pump out totally original vids for WT -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 01:03:33QUOTE (nateiskewl @ Dec 17 2008, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How about this:
We do full voting, but noobs only count as 3/5 of a person.
The numbers might get kind of ugly, and we might end up with something like 2/5 of a person.
Besides, that's why Newcomers can't vote.
Personally, I support the idea of a mini-tournament within UPSB. -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 01:08:59QUOTE (pholord @ Dec 17 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>mods pic 3, nominate potential spinners for 4th slot and then public vote for that last slot
no tourney so they can pump out totally original vids for WT
that would be
4/0 and Mixed in the poll options. -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 01:14:25
ahhhh....don't let the public vottttttteeeee......
nobody ever uses the legit judging system
http://www.upsb.info/wiki/index.php/Judging_system -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 01:17:11QUOTE (FrozenIce @ Dec 17 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The numbers might get kind of ugly, and we might end up with something like 2/5 of a person.
Besides, that's why Newcomers can't vote.
Personally, I support the idea of a mini-tournament within UPSB.
You don't get it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_compromise -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 01:20:51
ur jokes r sometimes so random...nate
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Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 01:31:59
Advantages of wildcard:
- you need to put some effort to earn your spot
- test of skill and not popularity
- better estimate of who are the best spinners of upsb
Helllooooo?!
Tournament is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better. Especially here on UPSB where people tend to think of only 4 spinners. If you think Vic, ChauTran, and Eriror are the best, then let them prove it. There are more! ellusion, LITS, Cookieslover, Scott, E T C
And NO. WHY should the mods pick the spinners? NO NO NO. That's just wrong. Only because they have blue names? NO. Mods aren't even active as spinners themselves. Whjat would a Pen mod want to vote on a WT spinner? If you guys decide on that... good night UPSB. -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 01:44:06
lol i understood nate's joke
having the mods decide is to prevent fanboyism -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 01:48:45QUOTE (FripメECツ @ Dec 17 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>There are more! ellusion, LITS, Cookieslover, Scott, E T C
off topic but...I thought Cookie was FPSB.... -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 01:49:45QUOTE (Sadistic @ Dec 17 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>off topic but...I thought Cookie was FPSB....
he would be another special case like Kirua -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 01:55:47
I voted tourney and public voteing, that way we can see the current level of the spinners and pick from that.
I don't see how it can "burn out" our spinners, won't the judges be different and not see the vids from our tourney, so they can just reuse what they did and it will still have the same impact in WT and still get full marks for creativity, right? -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 02:08:28QUOTE (Awesome @ Dec 17 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I voted tourney and public voteing, that way we can see the current level of the spinners and pick from that.
I don't see how it can "burn out" our spinners, won't the judges be different and not see the vids from our tourney, so they can just reuse what they did and it will still have the same impact in WT and still get full marks for creativity, right?
that would be disappointing for the public though, because im pretty sure everybody who's looking forward to see the vids for the WT have seen the vids for the local competition. also if your opponent know in advance what vid you're using, you're at disadvantage.
the only way i can see this not being the problem is that the videos for internal qualification are NOT released to public, only the results, then the ppl can recycle the vids. however, there is a possibility of leak. -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 02:11:43QUOTE (nateiskewl @ Dec 17 2008, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How about this:
We do full voting, but noobs only count as 3/5 of a person.
Reminds me of the Three-fifths Compromise.
edit: ah... i'm too slow xD -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 02:15:42QUOTE (Zombo @ Dec 17 2008, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that would be disappointing for the public though, because im pretty sure everybody who's looking forward to see the vids for the WT have seen the vids for the local competition. also if your opponent know in advance what vid you're using, you're at disadvantage.
the only way i can see this not being the problem is that the videos for internal qualification are NOT released to public, only the results, then the ppl can recycle the vids. however, there is a possibility of leak.
Yeah mabye keep them revealed, but Iam not talking about "reusing" the video, but more about reusing the creative elements involved in any of them. I do see how it could be disappointing to the public, but don't we want the most fair way to decide that will give us the best chance? -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 02:17:37
well, there goes my hopes and dreams of being in WT '09....
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Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 02:25:01
The most fair way is to have a tournament with mods voting. No public voting at all!
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Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 02:27:01
the same thing applies even if u just reuse some elements, because now you have revealed the "punch" of your combo so it has less impact on the public, and your opponent knows your ace.
what other boards are doing:
- FPSB has some kind of private voting system amongst their veteran members...at least that's what Crash told me
- JEB has some kind of "application" procedure where u send them a vid, i dont think those vids are revealed
- HKPSA public voting
- PSH: i think they're deciding this amongst mods
- RPSC: I think they pretty much know who their best spinners are and requested spots just for those guys
- Swespin: same thing I think... they dont have many spinners left so it's pretty much by default
- GPC: I think they have a vote thread
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Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 02:31:26QUOTE (Awesome @ Dec 17 2008, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't see how it can "burn out" our spinners, won't the judges be different and not see the vids from our tourney, so they can just reuse what they did and it will still have the same impact in WT and still get full marks for creativity, right?
The judges will be different but the opponents will have the opportunity to analyze the final combos of the tournament and simply make a combo that tops that. Having a UPSB tournament would reveal what our best spinners are capable of doing which is an advantage to spinners in other boards. -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 02:34:06
I guess you're right, then we would have to have the videos not be revealed so that would mean it would only work if the mods vote. I guess if its going to be mod voting the videos should be kept hidden then.
I don't know, it was just an idea I had, I was just throwing it out there. -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 02:34:08QUOTE (Scott Shaputis @ Dec 17 2008, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well, there goes my hopes and dreams of being in WT '09....
Even an asshole can win in a tournament with judges -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 03:22:51
I'm with frip on this one. Eri, Chautran, and Vic and mods can be judges for a upsb tourny. One round is enough -- I doubt people are gonna burn out after 1 round...
@Frip
Look into the Sun has ceased to exist. -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 03:28:54QUOTE (SoldSoul @ Dec 17 2008, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm with frip on this one. Eri, Chautran, and Vic and mods can be judges for a upsb tourny. One round is enough -- I doubt people are gonna burn out after 1 round...
@Frip
Look into the Sun has ceased to exist.
what you suggest is totally opposite of what frip wants... which is a public voting tournament for 4 spots, not a judging tournament for 1 spot. -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 03:31:02
ya LITS, I think you would more realistically agree with some of the things Ive been saying....but apperently nobody likes my idea of having Eriror/Chau/Vic as additional judges for the tourney?
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Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 03:32:54QUOTE (Sadistic @ Dec 17 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ya LITS, I think you would more realistically agree with some of the things Ive been saying....but apperently nobody likes my idea of having Eriror/Chau/Vic as additional judges for the tourney?
how the tournament is handled is a totally different matter, not discussed in this thread. -
Date: Thu, Dec 18 2008 03:33:43QUOTE (Zombo @ Dec 17 2008, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what you suggest is totally opposite of what frip wants... which is a public voting tournament for 4 spots, not a judging tournament for 1 spot.
Oh, my bad. Fine I agree with the upsb tourny which frip also agrees with.
@Sadi TEH PIRATE
Yes. I concur. -
Date: Fri, Dec 19 2008 12:09:23QUOTE (Zombo @ Dec 18 2008, 02:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>he would be another special case like Kirua
Cookies participates at the FPSB Tournament, right ?
I didn't do anything like this at GPC since June.
I'm strictly against videos - I don't wanna show everything I can before the tournament starts.
Make it a leader decision. -
Date: Fri, Dec 19 2008 14:22:53QUOTE (Zombo @ Dec 18 2008, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what other boards are doing:
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please fill in if u know the others
PPP: I've chosen 7 best people (after talking to other admins/mods + we've just finished PPP league, so we know spinners quite well), then we're collecting a vids of them, but I said that videos : a) can be old (used in the league) B ) can't show creativity elements (some unusual tricks, stalls, xpxh), they have to show just skill (or personal style). After collecting videos we'll probably discuss them in group of admins/mods, then we'll choose a or b: a) all four spinners, b)two, last two will be chosen by public voting (with releasing of their videos). -
Date: Fri, Dec 19 2008 15:29:08QUOTE (Zombo @ Dec 17 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>he would be another special case like Kirua
maybe we need to start registering where are home forum is lol...
and for those people who's forums aren't in the WT can choose whoever they want to spin for, for the WT. Choose before WT even starts tho.
just some wild idea... -
Date: Fri, Dec 19 2008 16:01:07QUOTE (FripメECツ @ Dec 18 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Advantages of wildcard:
- you need to put some effort to earn your spot
- test of skill and not popularity
- better estimate of who are the best spinners of upsb
Helllooooo?!
Tournament is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better. Especially here on UPSB where people tend to think of only 4 spinners. If you think Vic, ChauTran, and Eriror are the best, then let them prove it. There are more! ellusion, LITS, Cookieslover, Scott, E T C
And NO. WHY should the mods pick the spinners? NO NO NO. That's just wrong. Only because they have blue names? NO. Mods aren't even active as spinners themselves. Whjat would a Pen mod want to vote on a WT spinner? If you guys decide on that... good night UPSB.
agree with u,why should the mods pick the spinners for WT?like asia cup,i dun really think that all the asian spinner choose by zombo is the best asian spinner in upsb
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Date: Fri, Dec 19 2008 16:01:21
I think it would be pretty cool to have all the people trying to get onto the team post vids and have a blind vote, as in the videos are not labelled witht he spinner's name to eliminate a popularity vote. Although, it isn't hard to tell when certain people are spinning with signature clothing, angle, or background, but I still think it would be nice to have it done that way.
So people would vote for videos 3, 5, 12, and 17 and then the mod that posted the vids can release the names. -
Date: Fri, Dec 19 2008 16:13:28QUOTE (song @ Dec 19 2008, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>agree with u,why should the mods pick the spinners for WT?like asia cup,i dun really think that all the asian spinner choose by zombo is the best asian spinner in upsb
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asia cup was chosen by public vote... not me
http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showt...amp;hl=asia+cup -
Date: Sat, Dec 20 2008 01:03:12
right. i think having just 1 open spot for the tournament would be completely unfair to unknown spinners.
Its obvious that vic, ek, and tnc have already earned their right over the videos posted over this year, and
hence already showing their skill required.
how about this.
we have 2 spinners who are defintely in (lets call them the 1st and 2nd chosen). Then we have another spinner
who isnt necessarily in (the 3rd chosen). These 3 spinners, 2 automatically in, 1 not necesarily in,
are chosen by the public and moderators. The public only count as 3/5's of a person, like nate said while
moderators get more influence being the full 5.
right, now,
There is a sub tourament, but the only judges to see the tournament are a handful of moderators, maybe 5 well known and
very skilled ones, and the 1st and 2nd chosen who are already in the team. Using this method, people wont "burn out"
their combos to the open public. Then the "3rd chosen" spinner will have to submit 1 video, and the
2 winners of the sub tournament will also have to submit 1 video. The 5 moderators and the 1st and 2nd chosen
will then pick out of the 3 which 2 will be on the team.
right so then 1 person will defintely be picked from the tournament. But there is a possiblity of 2. very complicated but
the best of everything. -
Date: Sat, Dec 20 2008 08:53:43
not bad neoknux...but seems like it would take some orginization....
whyyyyy is everyone voting for "mized"
...........not that Scott's assholishness is correct in any way, but he does make a good point that the public voting system is obviously flawed.....almost nobody (in public vote battles) writes reviews based on the standard judging system, and even if they did use that system, I'm led to believe at least 1/5th those who vote have not seen enough PS'ing vids nor understand combos well enough to even be allowed to make such decisions.....
if anything, the mods should get additional votes:
total votes a player gets should=(total public votes for said person)+(((total public votes)/number of mods))*number of mods who voted for said person)
for example:
Player A gets 25 public votes+1 mod vote
Player B gets 100 public votes+5 mod votes
Player C gets 75 public votes+14 mod votes
Player A gets 25+((200/20)*1)=35 total
Player B gets 100+((200/20)*5)=150 total
Player C gets 75+((200/20)*14)=215 total
Player C wins
errrr...only big problem would be that we don't have enough mods to make this reasonable.....we would need additional "super delegates" then just the mods -
Date: Sat, Dec 20 2008 15:59:05
judging from the results
its pretty clear there's going to be a tournament,
whether or not it decides all spots remains to be seen, because only 34% voted for a full tournament, whereas 78.69% voted for a tournament, partial or not.
If I average the number of spots selected over number of votes, it is 1.92, so that would be 2 spots selected, 2 spots wildcard.
mixed is the clear favourite in the 2nd poll (over >50%), not sure how it applies for now.