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Naming Committee / [project][5.11] 2p2h Notation
Project brainstorm, requests, discussion
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Date: Sat, Jun 16 2007 07:32:14
PID: 5.11
Project description: To put out a way to notate 2p1h
Why: cuz right now its pretty much impossible
Project leader: strat1227
List of topics attached to it: None.
Use this thread to discuss the general concept of this project, what needs to be done (brainstorm), request new topics and consolidate topics results. This is the general thread for the whole project.
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Original Thread -
Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 02:07:52QUOTE (Zombo)the problem is
what if you do a trick on the LH in-between two tricks on the right hand?
what if a trick on the LH last for 2.87 tricks on the RH?
Then strat's notation would reflect that better.
Sonic 23R-13R (0.5) - Sonic 23L-13L (0.5) - Sonic 13R-12R (0.5) - Sonic 13L-12L (0.5)
That's supposed to be Sonic in right hand, and in between, Sonic in left hand. (-) to mean 'in between' or whatever. I think it's best to round the 'amount' of tricks into a factor of 0.5. Otherwise, it'd be much more complicated to express...things like 2.87.
Yes, it'll look pretty disgusting, especially if you use 3, 4 instruments in between, but I want to have something that I can type up here, not make word-wrap caution stuff that'll make the breakdown process longer. -
Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 03:47:33
I just don't like to express 2p2h using a linear format.
You actually have 2 hands and 2 pens. That's two dimensions. Why flatten it to a line? -
Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 23:27:59
yea, forget the colors if need be, i think the easiest way to do it would be something like:
Left : Sonic 23-12 ---------sonic rev 12-23 -------------twisted sonic 23-12
Right: Sonic 23-12 -- sonic rev 12-23--pass 23-12---twisted sonic rev 12-23
(inspired by guitar tabs lol)
EDIT: if you dont understand what thats saying, just post and i'll explain more... fairly self-explanitory though ... -
Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 01:51:53
Yeah, I definately like Strat's namenclature. I assume that the spacing allows for the timing on the two hands to match up (as well as possible of course)?
Only thing is, when this gets to be more than one line it could get confusing... you'd have to write it like music, and skip a line in between each pair, in order to keep it organized. Also, some > on the end of those would make it look better to me. (for hybrids the dashes could be ~ of course)
Also... what is this talking about exactly? We're talking about 2p2h, but the title says 2p1h... -
Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 01:54:51
well, the above example would be sonics in both hand, then a sonic rev in your right hand, but before you finish you do a sonic rev in your left hand, but before you finish you do a pass in your right hand, then you to twisted sonics in both hands...
read time from left to right.... if it's interrupted then there would be no time between tricks, there'd be no dashes to replace with ~'s lol....
and yea, i'll clean up and split this topic up in a min
EDIT: it was easier to just rename the topic. if anyone has any 2p1h discussion they want to do, request another topic within the project. -
Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 02:03:26
Well, no... a hyrbid could still take longer to do than the tricks on the other hand... therefore lending itself to using dashes/tildes. For example (might not be realistic, but whatever):
RH: TS 6.0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Shadow 3.0 T1-12 (Basically a Fake double with 9 rotations)
LH: Sonic 23-12 > Inverse Sonic Reverse 12-23 > Twisted Sonic Bust Reverse 23-34
The timing would line up theoretically... -
Date: Wed, Sep 19 2007 02:09:41
thats true i guess... i just never thought of a hybrid taking long enough to complete multiple tricks with the other hand lol
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Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 18:43:31
That notation seems quite cool ( and the concept of notations showing the right timings could be used in other cases too, I guess )...But there's some lack of information between each trick, or hybrid :
if you notate
Sonic Clip ---------- Charge 12 --- Charge 12 reverse --- etc
you don't know whether "--------" means you're still doing the trick or if there's a big break in the combo during that time...
maybe the use of the linkage symbols ">" , "~" and their combinations could be implemented to adjust that...
This is just a bad example but something like ">>>>>>>>>>>>>" instead of "---------------------" , if you're still continuing the trick during the blank... Let's think about it.
EDIT : Oh. Sorry Eburt, I read your post before sending mine, but I didn't get its point, maybe I was actually too tired...Sorry for the redundancy. -
Date: Wed, Sep 26 2007 20:07:15
skatox, I think that's what Eburt just said two posts above ^^