UPSB v3
Heroes of Tomorrow / What it takes to beat WCY
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Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 07:57:11
Been studying up WCY's videos lately, and he's quite a good spinner. Cool style and very smooth, much better than me in those aspects. Difficulty-wise, the only thing that seems to stand out to me are his cont busts. He did a cobra bite in the asia cup vid, but that's nothing too special (to me). Creativity-wise, he hasn't done anything out of the ordinary other than using backhand bounces.
I think I might have what it takes to beat him. What do you guys think? Advice/criticisms/bashes?
Anyway, what I'm planning to do in my combo is:
Cont Triple Infinity Release x2 > TA Harmonic Fall > A Bunch of Figure 8s, Rev Figure 8s, and infinity variations in different slots > Wiper Double Bust > Cont Wiper tricky thingy I do at 00:05 in this vid http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?autoc...ails&id=896 > Handaround Rev > Hai Tua Trick.
It's basically a combo that utilizes a lot of direction changes, and in theory, it's pretty cool. Good enough, you think?
Btw, I've been working more on style and smoothness lately. The departments where I lack the most. -
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 08:07:51
honestly, i dont like wcy that much >>
best thing i've seen him do is it palmspin bounce spiderspin hybrids
okay well as you said, i would like to emphasize, i think the most important thing for you to do is make it smooth
also, im not sure about that TA harmonic fall. though it is somewhat difficult, i think the details are difficult to see, and it may come out spammy... maybe cut it down?
then again, im not really sure, maybe a vid to see?
it'd be nice to see a rough draft/outline or something, if you felt like it
oh, also- i think you really need to get a good angle >> -
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 08:11:32QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jan 12 2009, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>honestly, i dont like wcy that much >>
best thing i've seen him do is it palmspin bounce spiderspin hybrids
okay well as you said, i would like to emphasize, i think the most important thing for you to do is make it smooth
also, im not sure about that TA harmonic fall. though it is somewhat difficult, i think the details are difficult to see, and it may come out spammy... maybe cut it down?
then again, im not really sure, maybe a vid to see?
it'd be nice to see a rough draft/outline or something, if you felt like it
oh, also- i think you really need to get a good angle >>
Hm... well since a TA Harm Fall is basically a bunch of direction changes, I thought it'd fit in with my combo. And yeah, I'm definitely gonna use a good angle. I'm aiming for an over the shoulder view with my tripod (i'm usually too lazy to use it).
Btw, I just modded a new pen today. It glows in the dark. I'm thinking of doing a palmspin in the end, and turning off the lights. The pen would then glow in the dark and spin a few revolutions. I'd catch it and maybe turn on the lights? -
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 08:15:30
you're gonna turn off the lights while you spin oO?
uhm if i were you i'd skip a few of them
like..
ta rev 1 > ta 3 > ta rev 2 > ta 4 > ta rev 3
wait which is it supposed to end with? well you get my point
hey... have you ever tried a ta rev counter? i think it may be useful to you.. but if you havent learned it yet, it isn't exactly easy to do quickly -
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 08:19:19QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jan 12 2009, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>you're gonna turn off the lights while you spin oO?
uhm if i were you i'd skip a few of them
like..
ta rev 1 > ta 3 > ta rev 2 > ta 4 > ta rev 3
wait which is it supposed to end with? well you get my point
hey... have you ever tried a ta rev counter? i think it may be useful to you.. but if you havent learned it yet, it isn't exactly easy to do quickly
Hm...good thinking, I think I will.
And I can do ta rev counters, but I never liked how they looked. How would it be useful?
and I'd only turn off the lights at the end for my finisher. I think I might do a high revolution palmspin or thumbspin at the end, and at this point, I'd turn off the lights and the pen would spin the dark while glowing.
BTW
I wonder if WCY is gonna have a hard time looking me up. Since I dont' have much vids of me on the internet and I've gone thru a few name changes. I've deleted some vids off youtube/upsb. Just in case. :] -
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 08:22:04
but i meant like, are you just gonna stop, turn off the lights, and do it? cuz i dont think that'd be very good lol
like, is there a lightswitch you can sit next to and just flip with your other hand?
oh and i thought it might be useful because i wasnt sure which direction u wanted to end with
and im not sure if i do my ta rev counters how they're supposed to be done, but i like them, ill film one tomorrow -
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 08:24:57QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jan 12 2009, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>but i meant like, are you just gonna stop, turn off the lights, and do it? cuz i dont think that'd be very good lol
like, is there a lightswitch you can sit next to and just flip with your other hand?
oh and i thought it might be useful because i wasnt sure which direction u wanted to end with
and im not sure if i do my ta rev counters how they're supposed to be done, but i like them, ill film one tomorrow
My lamp is right next to me and I can reach over with my left hand to turn off. I can always ask my girlfriend to help me if need be.
And a vid would be nice. :] -
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 08:26:53
yeah i'd like to see your ta harmonic fall as well (the full one)
i never use them because mine look so crappy, but i think you're probably better at it than i am -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 01:01:01
yay~ I was waiting for this thread.
from what you put in your first post for the general part of your combo, i like, but i agree with Shadow with the mixing up the TAs
one thing i don't like tho is the hai tua. with that trick imo it's a little anti-productive for you because that trick is just F@%K ugly and makes ones style/smoothness look even more rough and disgusting (one reason i hate spinnerpeem). key3's hybrid > hai tua
uh as for your light thing iono I think i'd avoid doing it in case someone would like declare "cheating" on you (yes it sounds stupid but hey people are unreasonable). but just me i'm not against it. tho a vid example of with and without would be nice to see -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 01:08:35
hai tua is fuck ugly oO?
i think maybe you've just seen bad executions of it lol
but the symmetrical backaround could be an alternative
as for the lamp part, honestly, i would go for it. if they call cheating, well, challenge it, i guess
or... it's an odd thought but maybe...
do you have access to another camera? you could have the other camera film you from another angle, with the lamp visible, and if anyone challenges you, you can sync the two vids (with bloopers) and show them the raw evidence
uh okay this is too horrible for me to do anything with it but w/e
let's just forget i mentioned it xD -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 04:57:38
Hm, seems pretty nice, but it's not a trick I can do too well, but Ionno, I might give it a try. And you don't like the hai tua trick? I was thinking of doing a hai tua ~ fl thumbindexspin > Fl ta, maybe -- tough finisher htough. would a symmetrical bak > fl ta work better? I've been working on symmetrical bak to fl ta lately. I think it looks pretty neat.
and I could probably get access to two cameras and i'll try filming a small try out with the glow in the dark thing tomorrow. -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 05:11:58
wait what? you mean a sym BA with an exta TA?
well im not sure why mark doesnt like the hai tua, lol, do you think maybe you could film you doing it? i guess it depends on execution style
if you make it look jerky then yeah it'll suck -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 05:12:42
Okay... err...
1. No TA harmonic fall, I think that'll take up too much time of your vid (a solid 5-8 seconds?) and I dont' think it's worth it =\ plus, it's not thattt appealing... it's just cool to know that it's doable =P
2. Don't turn off your lights =\ I dunno, I just dont' really like this idea... can't really give a reason why... I just feel like I wouldn't like it if i saw it in a combo =\... too much effort and controversy that may arise...
3. the hai tua trick... eh... no offense, but i think it's hard to make this thing look nice and i don't think you can do it actually -.-'' just a stylistic thing... hai tua's not for you.....
4. symmetrical backaround... how good are you with that?? like.. how consistent? cause i don't think a sym. backaround will suffice for a finisher... it's kinda blah...
-perhaps: symmetrical backaround > (on the fl ta from the symmetrical backaround) air > fl ta??
that's really tough though... and i don't know how well you can do that...
5. Work on making your handarounds look nicer, and use those as your appeal. You seem pretty confident and consistent with them... so take advantage of that.
6. Some infinity releases would be nice as well, but not too much. I don't think a combo with 3/4 infinity based is good... for this thing.
7. The entirety of the combo, i think should be 1/3 handaround based (if they look nice of course... if not, cut it down to like... 1/5, cause they're still difficult, but you'll lose some style points), 1/3 infinity releases (i saw your one infinity release combo.. those were really nice ^^ ), and 1/3 of the smaller stuff you wanna put in that are unique.
Difficulty and Unique should be the two words that come to mind when someone sees this combo imo... Style, I dunno how much you worked on this, but you may not have enough time to completely make your style as nice as WCY's...
So while it's important to make the combo well rounded like WCY's, I think it's worth giving up some style points if you can excel in the categories that you are already decent in... But just get a few of the style points i guess... dont' worry about acing that section of the judging...
WCY won't know what he's up against and so he may not try as hard because you're just an unknown spinner for now. But on the flip side, he may try harder just in case. Who knows...=P... Maybe make some bad vids just to throw him off (but good enough so that it makes sense that you got in of course)
Anyway, good luck with your practicing and your battle
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Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 05:15:00
i dont get why everyone hates the hai tua T_T
i really want to see him do it at least, because even though i cant, i know i could make it look nice -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 05:23:22
Hm.... I'll definitely remember your words while filming JC, and I agree, I don't have the time to improve my style that much. And yeah, I guess TA Harmonic takes up too much time. Also, I'm pretty good with my hand around revs, hand arounds, and my personal trick, the moonwalk handaround, but I don't want to use all of them in one combo...
And I have a TA ~ Handaround ~ FL Thumbindexspin > FL TA recorded. I sent it for the collab though, not sure if JC would mind me posting it up or not.. I thought it looked pretty nice. :\
You make everything look nice shadow. :]
Oh and yes shadow, what I meant was a symmetrical bak with an extra fl ta at the end, with my hand spread open (the way kam does fl tas) -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 05:26:45
good, those are the good kind of FL TAs xD
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Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 05:29:10
you can post that up in the team forum
it was really nice 
btw, collab should be out in a day or two...
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Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 06:39:01
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Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 06:46:08
hm....
looks a little too aerialish for me ><
idk, i imagine myself doing it as a sort of pull back/push forward motion in a smooth circle -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 06:59:09
Well.... Arie... Charlie's style is much different from yours so I doubt he'd be doing tricks anywhere close to how you do yours -.-'' but for Charlie's style, I think that was a really nice mini combo from him =\
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Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 07:00:03QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jan 12 2009, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i dont get why everyone hates the hai tua T_T
i really want to see him do it at least, because even though i cant, i know i could make it look nice
I like the hai tua, it's an awesome finisher to an awesome combo. Now if you can combine the hai tua and that handaround > TI spin > FL TA, it'd be a sweet combo and could beat wcy. -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 07:00:51
well....no... finisher is not everything
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Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 07:02:32
yeah, you're right, i think if it matches the rest of the combo it's great, your discretion though, hai tua or SBA, i think either is fine
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Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 07:06:10
The finisher is the last thing you see, and pretty important. I might go with the SBA.
And my style isn't as well developed as yours shadow. Neither do I exaggerate my spinning. I'm working on my style... I'm also extending my fingers more. Hopefully that works out nicely. -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 07:14:28
i didnt mean to suggest mine was better or anything, i just mis-imagined it
hm... well, i thought it looked kind of aerialish... what if you made it into an aerial? can you do FL TAs from an aerial? i think that'd be a fairly epic finisher
and i like your fingers T_T -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 07:26:36QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jan 12 2009, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i didnt mean to suggest mine was better or anything, i just mis-imagined it
hm... well, i thought it looked kind of aerialish... what if you made it into an aerial? can you do FL TAs from an aerial? i think that'd be a fairly epic finisher
and i like your fingers T_T
Hm, I could do that, yes. I'll give it a go.
And not many people do shadow, but I'm glad you do. :]
BTW, is the collab going to be released really soon? I'd rather it was released after round 1 of the WT. Since there aren't really any vid of me out there on the internet, and I'm pretty unknown. I'd rather keep it that way...ya know? -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 07:31:20
yeah....i was planning to release the collab tomorrow night >.<
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Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 18:47:27QUOTE (JC @ Jan 12 2009, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yeah....i was planning to release the collab tomorrow night >.<
hm, well that's fine then. The combo wasn't that great anyway... I had a small mess up in it.
Oh, and here's the new angle, what do you all think?
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Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 23:21:43
The angle is good.....tho there is something I don't like about it >< try zooming a little?
and out of all hai tua based tricks i liked yours the best.
D: Arie you're just lame aerials are awesome..tho i don't think it would look as nice with the new angle >o< -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 23:31:35QUOTE (DaeHa @ Jan 13 2009, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The angle is good.....tho there is something I don't like about it >< try zooming a little?
and out of all hai tua based tricks i liked yours the best.
D: Arie you're just lame aerials are awesome..tho i don't think it would look as nice with the new angle >o<
Yeah, I realized that i need to zoom in a bit more with my camera. Will do. And um, thanks. And I agree, I don't know if the hai tua would look as nice in this angle. -
Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 00:24:44QUOTE (DaeHa @ Jan 13 2009, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The angle is good.....tho there is something I don't like about it >< try zooming a little?
and out of all hai tua based tricks i liked yours the best.
D: Arie you're just lame aerials are awesome..tho i don't think it would look as nice with the new angle >o<
but.... i told him to do an aerial... >>"
anyways, i think the angle is perfect as it is, but if i were you and it weren't too much trouble, i'd clear off the whole tabletop and cover it in black when you actually start hardcore filming
the only thing i dont like is that sexy monitor. you know, the one that's on your desk and not mine -
Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 04:14:39QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jan 13 2009, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>but.... i told him to do an aerial... >>"
anyways, i think the angle is perfect as it is, but if i were you and it weren't too much trouble, i'd clear off the whole tabletop and cover it in black when you actually start hardcore filming
the only thing i dont like is that sexy monitor. you know, the one that's on your desk and not mine
I'm not sure if I have anything big enough to cover the whole desk. But I'll try.
And I don't like spinning on my desk, it's too high up, i'm not used to it. I can't do infinity releases well unless I stand up. :\ I filmed a good amount today, but didn't really come up with anything too nice. Will do more tomorrow.
And I might do some 1p2h stuff...will experiment tomorrow. I have a couple interesting 2 handed tricks I haven't used yet. -
Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 04:49:02QUOTE (Charlie @ Jan 13 2009, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm not sure if I have anything big enough to cover the whole desk. But I'll try.
And I don't like spinning on my desk, it's too high up, i'm not used to it. I can't do infinity releases well unless I stand up. :\ I filmed a good amount today, but didn't really come up with anything too nice. Will do more tomorrow.
And I might do some 1p2h stuff...will experiment tomorrow. I have a couple interesting 2 handed tricks I haven't used yet.
Maybe have your chair higher? Or you can sit on a dictionary on the chair lol. As for the 1p2h stuff, you can also try to cool transitions from hand to hand. Like, I still drool at bonkura's transfers. *drools* -
Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 05:07:45
well make sure you spin comfortably...
i know i spin like crap at the gatherings because the food court tables are higher than my desk -
Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 06:10:31QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jan 13 2009, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well make sure you spin comfortably...
i know i spin like crap at the gatherings because the food court tables are higher than my desk
Yeah, that's the problem. I'm used to sitting on the floor. I should buy some really short table for spinning...
And I tried sitting on some blankets, helped a bit, but I still spun much better on the floor.
Oh, and transfers that I've played around with from time to time are mostly top spin transfers. Like shadow from right hand to left hand. -
Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 06:13:21QUOTE (Charlie @ Jan 13 2009, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yeah, that's the problem. I'm used to sitting on the floor. I should buy some really short table for spinning...
And I tried sitting on some blankets, helped a bit, but I still spun much better on the floor.
Oh, and transfers that I've played around with from time to time are mostly top spin transfers. Like shadow from right hand to left hand.
If you're more comfortable spinning on the floor, then do so. Just make sure you get a get angle. -
Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 06:44:46
or can you sit ON the table? xD
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Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 06:48:04QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jan 13 2009, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>or can you sit ON the table? xD
lol, my table isn't big enough for that. I'll try sitting tomorrow on the floor and filming tomorrow. Maybe a side/over shoulder angle will do. -
Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 07:03:13
or you can sit oh the floor and have something over your lap like potage. If that position is the most comfortable for you, make the spinning area i dunno, more clean and tidy? so ya. spin over a blanket, pillow or w/e over your lap
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Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 07:11:42
but you dont want the background moving too much..
gah
i say get a higher chair, lol -
Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 07:18:42QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jan 13 2009, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>but you dont want the background moving too much..
gah
i say get a higher chair, lol
that's a lot of cash...
Hm, I like potage's flat pillow thing.Thanks for the idea baaron. But where could I get a pillow like that... -
Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 07:20:07
uhmmm a pet store? they have doggy bed pillow things
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Date: Wed, Jan 14 2009 21:29:12
Is this angle fine? And just switching up my style a bit. Kinda hard to spin slower though.
Hmm...spinning slow isnt a good idea.
Didn't like my spinning in that vid, so I spent a minute (i'm serious, only a minute) to film something. I guess you can call it my Minute Session. -
Date: Thu, Jan 15 2009 07:31:29
I liked the first combo's angle better. And just to look professional, make sure your background is clean, like no furniture or chairs or whatever in view so that the viewers can focus on just your spinning, no distractions or whatever. And yeah, go for the pillow thing.
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Date: Thu, Jan 15 2009 07:36:52QUOTE (Sankaku @ Jan 14 2009, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I liked the first combo's angle better. And just to look professional, make sure your background is clean, like no furniture or chairs or whatever in view so that the viewers can focus on just your spinning, no distractions or whatever. And yeah, go for the pillow thing.
Nice flat pillows are pricey. :[ -
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 05:57:22QUOTE (Charlie @ Jan 14 2009, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Nice flat pillows are pricey. :[
fold up a small blanket -
Date: Tue, Jan 27 2009 03:24:29
And now... we wait.
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Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 21:43:11
WHAT THE FUCK
DAMNIT
[FRUSTRATED FACE] -
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 22:28:16
WTF MANG, you were way better Charlie, like, he was a bit smoother but still, you > him. D: Nothing you can do about it now, except beat up WCY. xD
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Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 22:49:12
oh well :/ you tried. but hey you made it to WT so that's a plus
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Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 03:17:47
Meh, I feel crappy.
I'm gonna go spin and try to get better. -
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 03:32:51
Aww Charlie, it's alright, you did your best, you made an amazing video, and you made yourself a name that everyone from the other boards now know. You'll be here next year, so you can try again in WC10
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Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 03:40:38QUOTE (JC @ Feb 8 2009, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Aww Charlie, it's alright, you did your best, you made an amazing video, and you made yourself a name that everyone from the other boards now know. You'll be here next year, so you can try again in WC10
You're right and I know. It's just passing feeling. I just had to say something. And I must say, it was nice having my team helping me through the first round and now that I've lost, a team to help me through that too.
So, thanks to everyone. Even if it was only for a short while.
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Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 03:59:55QUOTE (Charlie @ Feb 8 2009, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You're right and I know. It's just passing feeling. I just had to say something. And I must say, it was nice having my team helping me through the first round and now that I've lost, a team to help me through that too.
So, thanks to everyone. Even if it was only for a short while. that's what makes this team special
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Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 04:33:35
alright guys, so where does this WCY guy live?
*smacks fists*