UPSB v3
General Discussion / Asian Cup Final Round Results OUT!
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Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 21:44:38
sorry it took a while to gather every judge's marks.
Detailed results: http://upsb.info/AC/R2/r2.zip (r2.xls is compiled results, also contains raw scores if you want to verify yourself)
Final results
Spoiler:
Congratulations to all participants!
-> Minwoo is again top scorer this round with a score of 89,25.
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Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 22:08:03
I'm quite disappointed. KPSA editing annoyed the crap out of me.
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Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 23:10:01
uuuuuh ... >_<
Congratulations to you, KPSA =D
Asian Cup 08 Winner - Respect! =] *jealous* >_<^^
Thanks everybody for this tournament
and sorry @UPSB
greetz
Minwoo -
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 23:20:30QUOTE (AwonW @ Jan 18 2009, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm quite disappointed. KPSA editing annoyed the crap out of me.
yeah it really bugged me too.
i was hoping for psh to win D:
but good job kpsa -
Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 23:43:28
Wow, we were better than JEB!
I was watching JEB's and I was like they are sure to win.
Guess not
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 00:08:20
KPSA won?
It should have been:
1. PSH
2. UPSB
3. JEB
4. KPSA
But good job everyone...
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 00:10:32
wow.. kpsa was the most disappointing one imo
w.e gj everyone! -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 00:24:26
Wow, PDS gave PSH 0 for Theme and music synchronicity...
and 9/15 to RYO for smoothness?! -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 00:28:42
1st congratz to KPSA
2nd yea the border was annoying sometimes IMO too
3rd are any of you even considering the actual spinning because overall IMO kpsa was superior
4th way to talk shit about the winners if any other team won you all would be cheering wouldnt you? so give respect
5th the editting isn't even the full grade. clearly since like 90% of people say it sucked the judging for spinning made up for it
6th I'm not all to in agreement with the judging either but I'm not being a 3-year old about it -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 00:38:16
WTF???!!!!
PSH's overall editing was the second lowest?? that's ridiculous
and PDS judge give ellusion 0 for smoothness? wtf was that? long as u didn't have major stop during the combo (and even if u did), u should deserve some score.. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 00:54:57
I have nothing to say.This result is so rediculous!
I think PDS should give us a reason why they gave us 0 for theme and music synchronicity -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 01:00:10
omg..
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 01:14:02
yay~~0 theme score for PSH~~PDS:GOOD JUDGEMENT!!
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 01:16:15QUOTE (Pale Master @ Jan 18 2009, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have nothing to say.This result is so rediculous!
I think kpsa should give us a reason why they gave us 0 for theme and music synchronicity
kpsa did not judge this round since they are involved in the competition.
only THPSC, HKPSA, PDS, TWPS -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 01:28:43
wow
even with out cumulating Round 1 with Round 2
We won?
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hmm i also thought PSH will get a higher score because of the editing but the spinning and possibly win the ROUND2
but i was 100% confident that KPSA will get at least 2nd place in ASIAN CUP
because we won Round 1 with a perfect score. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 01:37:53QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 18 2009, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>kpsa did not judge this round since they are involved in the competition.
only THPSC, HKPSA, PDS, TWPS
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 01:43:48QUOTE (Joshy @ Jan 18 2009, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>wow
even with out cumulating Round 1 with Round 2
We won?
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hmm i also thought PSH will get a higher score because of the editing but the spinning and possibly win the ROUND2
but i was 100% confident that KPSA will get at least 2nd place in ASIAN CUP
because we won Round 1 with a perfect score.
it was impossible for me to cumulate the scores from round 1 into round 2, becuase videos from round 1 were judged with different judges,
for example, PSH judges typically gave low marks to videos they judged, therefore it would mean any team who was judged by PSH be affected by their low score judging.
on the other hand, PDS gave really high score in round 1, so anyone not graded by PDS would get lower score.
for round 2, it was the same jduges for everybody, so comparison is fair. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 01:50:04
the results is irony
i have been shocked
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 01:52:50
awesome
kpsa won!! great job everyone!! -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 02:06:58
funny, eh...
for PSH, if PDS judge's score for music+theme is greater or equal to 10, we'll end up being 1st place. This means even 5 for music and 5 for theme would be ok
but instead, we got two "0"s, and that's while all other 5 judges gave 10 for theme.
funny, really funny -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 02:20:17
lol... HKPSA gave everyone crappy marks
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 02:23:59
What?
I was sure that PSH was going to win with their awesome editing. Surprising results...
But, still, nice job everyone! -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 02:24:05QUOTE (Winner @ Jan 18 2009, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol... HKPSA gave everyone crappy marks
that's not the problem, if they gave all low, then everyone is the same, it is okey
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 02:30:57QUOTE (AyySoLo @ Jan 18 2009, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that's not the problem, if they gave all low, then everyone is the same, it is okey
Okay then...
lol, PDS totally screwed over PSH with those 0's.... -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 02:45:22QUOTE (FrozenIce @ Jan 18 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What?
I was sure that PSH was going to win with their awesome editing. Surprising results...
But, still, nice job everyone!
PSH's video had creativity not necessarily "awesome" editing
I thought JEB and UPSB's editing was much better than that of PSH, even though PSH still had nice editing -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 02:45:42
well...Words failed me
PDS gave PSH 0 for Theme and music ,it's ridiculous.
a funny results... -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 02:52:29
PDS wtf man.
That's...just not right. PSH a 0 (ZERO) for THEME?!! Hello? -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 02:59:39
PDS gave PSH 0 for theme and music synchronicity ??
Happy April Fool's Day!!!
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 03:20:52
who can tell me what's the meaning of THEME?
And who can tell me what's the THEME of KPSA , JEB or UPSB?
what they trying to show us?
they had music ,we had music too.
so..it is unbelieveable -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 03:28:09
This is weird lol..
But congrats KPSA.
Well, at least we came in second!
But i still feel the scores given are off lol. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 03:28:45
did the PDS judges screw up somehow? this is madness... PSH by far were the most creative in terms of editing...
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 03:31:35QUOTE (12vev @ Jan 18 2009, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>who can tell me what's the meaning of THEME?
And who can tell me what's the THEME of KPSA , JEB or UPSB?
what they trying to show us?
they had music ,we had music too.
so..it is unbelieveable
PSH was the only one that had a distinct and in your face THEME..
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 03:36:03
I think PSH is winner.
WTF -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 03:38:37QUOTE (hhj8jhh @ Jan 18 2009, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think PSH is winner.
WTF
me too. I dont see how they couldnt see any "theme" in psh. it was the most creative and they had fun with it. And they spun great.
I didnt know that the teams had a certain theme they had to follow... -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 03:53:27QUOTE (lazyfarmer @ Jan 18 2009, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>PDS gave PSH 0 for theme and music synchronicity ??
Happy April Fool's Day!!!
im sorry but i just lol'd hard at that...
not that its wrong but just funny
congrats KPSA!
i think everyone did a good job
kpsa really needs to get rid of that borderline
psh superior editing altho that olympic thing was sorta old?
but very creative
upsb, awesome editing and spinning, especially minwoo
and jeb was just disappointing in terms of spinning
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 03:56:47
Are any of you paying attention to anything besides the collab itself? Get your shit right just because you "deserve" a full 30% and yea PDS made a half assed vote doesn't give you a right to change the results or the scores because THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS.
btw THERE WAS NO THEME: it's called "Collab-creativity" meaning you can make one -.-
http://psac2008.freebbs.hk/thread-3111-1-1.htmlQUOTEEditor can be anybody, even outside the team.
There are 3 additional judging criterion related to the collab aspect of this battle: music synchronicity, editing, and collab creativity (i.e. collab theme). Each are worth 10% -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:03:31QUOTE (SJ @ Jan 19 2009, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im sorry but i just lol'd hard at that...
not that its wrong but just funny
congrats KPSA!
i think everyone did a good job
kpsa really needs to get rid of that borderline
psh superior editing altho that olympic thing was sorta old?
but very creative
upsb, awesome editing and spinning, especially minwoo
and jeb was just disappointing in terms of spinning
ya, PDS screwed with PSH for sure... im pretty sure who it was but
i wouldnt say...plus i got kicked out of pds
so you have realized what we trying to show you
and can you tell me what's the theme of kpsa's video?
btw ,creativity not means theme -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:05:34QUOTE (DaeHa @ Jan 18 2009, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Are any of you paying attention to anything besides the collab itself? Get your shit right just because you "deserve" a full 30% and yea PDS made a half assed vote doesn't give you a right to change the results or the scores because THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS.
btw THERE WAS NO THEME: it's called "Collab-creativity" meaning you can make one -.-
http://psac2008.freebbs.hk/thread-3111-1-1.html
Who said anything about changing the results? People are saying who they think should be the real winner, there isn't any problem with that. It's just like when KTH won the WT but people still complained about how Eriror should have won.. not a big deal. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:08:32QUOTE (AwonW @ Jan 18 2009, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Who said anything about changing the results? People are saying who they think should be the real winner, there isn't any problem with that. It's just like when KTH won the WT but people still complained about how Eriror should have won.. not a big deal.
There are a couple posts with people saying "o if this blah blah blah then PSH would win"
From my knowledge most people complained just about who should have won from 07 rather than saying "o Eriror should have gotten perfect score cause he rapes KTH"
edit:QUOTEso you have realized what we trying to show you
and can you tell me what's the theme of kpsa's video?
btw ,creativity not means theme
yea and having a theme for your collab wasnt part of the judging criteria. it was "music synchronicity, editing, and collab creativity" having a theme was something you CAN DO to get your creativity points -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:17:46
PSH is winner of the hearts.
Everybody ok with that? -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:18:50QUOTE (DaeHa @ Jan 18 2009, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yea and having a theme for your collab wasnt part of the judging criteria. it was "music synchronicity, editing, and collab creativity" having a theme was something you CAN DO to get your creativity points
"Theme" was directly on the template.
And if you're calling it creativity to justify the score given you'd have to say that PSH had no creativity whatsoever.
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:23:04QUOTEyea and having a theme for your collab wasnt part of the judging criteria. it was "music synchronicity, editing, and collab creativity" having a theme was something you CAN DO to get your creativity points
have you ever seen the results?
didn't you see MUSIC SYNC. EDITING and THEME?QUOTE (AwonW @ Jan 19 2009, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>"Theme" was directly on the template. And if you're calling it creativity to justify the score given you'd have to say that PSH had no creativity whatsoever.
yeah
he said we have creativity just now.but we get 0 ..that's intresting -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:23:48QUOTE (AwonW @ Jan 18 2009, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>"Theme" was directly on the template. And if you're calling it creativity to justify the score given you'd have to say that PSH had no creativity whatsoever.
well then we'd all have to be blaming our organizers for not being consistent with the template and rules
and i'm not trying to justify that PSH had no creativity i'm not even a part of PDS. -.- i too thought the collab was creative (tho the torch stuff was sorta excessive to me)QUOTEyeah
he said we have creativity just now.but we get 0 ..that's intresting
the fuck? We all know that you all are creative if you have a bone to pick then go pick it with PDS because you're seriously being an ass right now. I don't know what went in their mind maybe it was the torch thing like me, but just because they gave you a 0 doesn't give you a right to go around asking everyone "hey did you think we were creative?" and making a show of it when people say yes. you know, i know, even the judges for 3 other boards all KNOW, they gave you 10s for god fucking christ sake. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:27:45QUOTE (DaeHa @ Jan 18 2009, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well then we'd all have to be blaming our organizers for not being consistent with the template and rules
and i'm not trying to justify that PSH had no creativity i'm not even a part of PDS. -.- i too thought the collab was creative (tho the torch stuff was sorta excessive to me)
Ah, yeah I realize that you never directly agreed with the judging, it's just the way you came off to me.
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:33:48QUOTE (AwonW @ Jan 18 2009, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ah, yeah I realize that you never directly agreed with the judging, it's just the way you came off to me.
Oo i don't think i was trying to say anything offensive to you personally. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:37:55QUOTE (DaeHa @ Jan 19 2009, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>the fuck? We all know that you all are creative if you have a bone to pick then go pick it with PDS because you're seriously being an ass right now. I don't know what went in their mind maybe it was the torch thing like me, but just because they gave you a 0 doesn't give you a right to go around asking everyone "hey did you think we were creative?" and making a show of it when people say yes. you know, i know, even the judges for 3 other boards all KNOW, they gave you 10s for god fucking christ sake.
um~so
that means you also think our theme and music should't be 0? -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:38:32QUOTE (DaeHa @ Jan 18 2009, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Oo i don't think i was trying to say anything offensive to you personally.
Oh no, I didn't take it personally lol. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:40:41QUOTE (12vev @ Jan 18 2009, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>um~so
that means you also think our theme and music should't be 0?
Yea i don't think it should be 0, but you can't change that; the judges for PDS chose and that was their verdict. Am I or someone here supposed to magically change it all so that it can be a 10? Obviously none of us can do that, but if you're into vengence or that crap then go flame PDS and take it out of this threadQUOTEOh no, I didn't take it personally lol.
o ok ^^; -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:44:04QUOTE (DaeHa @ Jan 19 2009, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yea i don't think it should be 0, but you can't change that; the judges for PDS chose and that was their verdict. Am I or someone here supposed to magically change it all so that it can be a 10? Obviously none of us can do that, but if you're into vengence or that crap then go flame PDS and take it out of this thread
o ok ^^;
i also thing that it can't be changed
i just want to know why we got 0 -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:44:52
Wow I think you guys are taking this a little too seriously. I mean it doesnt really matter who wins, it doesnt really mean anything. The competition is more about letting the different communities show what theyve got as far as spinning, editing, creativity, etc. Everyone did a good job and think it was a great experience.
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:46:20QUOTE (12vev @ Jan 18 2009, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i also thing that can't be changed
but i realy wonder why we got 0
I can't answer that question...and once again and hopefully the final time. plz just take it out on the reps for PDS because this is not PDS, this is UPSB.QUOTEWow I think you guys are taking this a little too seriously. I mean it doesnt really matter who wins, it doesnt really mean anything. The competition is more about letting the different communities show what theyve got as far as spinning, editing, creativity, etc. Everyone did a good job and think it was a great experience.
xD comeon pholord you know that can't happen these people are human -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:50:37QUOTE (DaeHa @ Jan 19 2009, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can't answer that question...and once again and hopefully the final time. plz just take it out on the reps for PDS because this is not PDS, this is UPSB.
xD comeon pholord you know that can't happen these people are human
i cant understand korean..so sad..
btw,i'm intersting in the connection between pds and kpsa -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:53:54QUOTE (DaeHa @ Jan 18 2009, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>xD comeon pholord you know that can't happen these people are human
hey its not like there prize money at stake or something
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 04:54:38QUOTE (12vev @ Jan 18 2009, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i cant understand korean..so sad..
btw,i'm intersting in the connection between pds and kpsa
Yea...lil difficult since both SJ and Joshy got owned by PDS. Maybe ask like WhiteFang to get the reason why.
offtopic but:
simply put - pds got raped by a cyberhacker -> lsc demotes all rank people and becomes dictator(lol) of pds and everyone is like WTF YOU SUCK WE MAKE OUR OWN BOARD -> kpsa is born and they are rivals yay~
end of story ok now all posts after this people be on topic -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 05:09:02
my heart is killed by PDS
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 05:16:56
PDS grass mud horse...
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 05:38:00QUOTE (3Shine @ Jan 18 2009, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>PDS grass mud horse...
someone tell us what that means lol -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 05:40:01QUOTE (3Shine @ Jan 18 2009, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>PDS grass mud horse...
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to all angry PSH people
its just pen spinning...
if you don't like PDS/KPSA, just ask them for some kind of a pen spinning battle if you care about pen spinning that much...
or just ask PDS why they voted you 0's...
@SJ: basically means f*** you, cant really translate it that well into english -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 05:44:40QUOTE (octan3 @ Jan 19 2009, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if you don't like PDS/KPSA, just ask them for some kind of a pen spinning battle if you care about pen spinning that much...
or just ask PDS why they voted you 0's...
lol... didn't they just say that they dont' care about the results cause there's nothing that can be changed to it.... and they can't ask pds cause they don't speak korean
and so... only choice left really is.. if they can speak english.. to ask upsb -.-'' unfortunately.. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 05:51:50
well, if chinese people know english, i guess korean people would have to know SOME english
they use english names for their penspinstore stuff...
they can communicate with english? -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 06:17:38
Not only PSH's Music Synchronicity and Theme , but there're still some strange scores from PDS'judge.
Ellusion67 got 0 for smoothness
RYO and Pholord got extremely low score, too. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 06:25:06QUOTE (x1213 @ Jan 18 2009, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not only PSH's Music Synchronicity and Theme , but there're still some strange scores from PDS'judge.
Ellusion67 got 0 for smoothness
RYO and Pholord got extremely low score, too.
PDS must hate all other pen spinners other than their own.
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 06:28:38QUOTE (octan3 @ Jan 19 2009, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well, if chinese people know english, i guess korean people would have to know SOME english
they use english names for their penspinstore stuff...
they can communicate with english?
haha... well, some maybe.....but i dunno if that's enough for clear communication between the two
i mean...i rarely see anyone from pds or kpsa showing up here... (i see chinese spinners visit upsb much more by looking at the active member's list and the amount of china trade threads)
but then again, who knows, i haven't ever talked to them so i don't know how good their english is
best solution is to ask a korean here to act as a translater i guess -.-'' (i think daeha mentioned this before? i don't remember who it was) because i agree, i don't think psh should be bringing their spam and anger to upsb... but i can see why they would though and it's understandable
even i kinda wanna know why pds would give a 0.... when it is clearly not deserved---even though i dont' care too much about this AC thing too much at all actually -.-'' (except for SEVEN vids
okay.. i'll stop, i'm a freak, i know xD )
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 06:33:30
not many people mind that PDS just like help KPSA
not many people in PSH is angry on "NOT NO.1" , they angry that WHY they get 0 mark on MUSIC SYNC and THEME , the judge of PDS is so strange , they also give RYO low marks you know but he did a not bad FS
so , my conclusion is " PDS is silly to do a Judge , they act unreasonably " -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 06:34:31
Maybe the result is unimportant,just enjoy the competition.
But to somebody,things are not that simple,they did a good job in pen spinning,thought the theme,took time to edit,but they got "0", What would you feel if you were one of them? -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 07:38:03
PDS,
give me and all the pser a reason
why you gave us 0 for theme and music ?
damn it
crazy people
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 08:35:05
Music Synchronicity/ Editing/ Theme/ Subtotal * /
PDS 0/ 8/ 0/ 8/
THPSC 10/ 10/ 10/ 30/
HKPSA 6/ 7/ 10/ 23/
TWPS 9.5/ 9.5/ 10/ 29/
Average 6.375/ 8.625/ 7.5/ 22.5/
Please see the rusults ,all teams give 10 theme point to PSH but PDS give 0.!!! Music Synchronicity the same ponit 0!!!.TvT!!!
Do you think pds 's judgement make any sense??
PDS not only hand in the results for a long time to delay the game, but also give an unbelievable judgement, we can't accept it. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 08:59:36
wtf!!!is taru crazy or what???0 mark for psh's music and theme??4 marks for ryo'style???o mark for ellu's smoothness??wtf
he really need to give all spinner a good explanation -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 09:25:27
me got 0 for smoothness !!!!
( ...maybe it was my cam fault 
..or what ??? .gif)
..btw,it doesn't matter ...quite okay....bleh
congrat KPSA... -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 10:51:56
T_T I'm shocked, period.
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 11:24:10
as a question, how can someone get a 0 for smoothness? 0 suggests it is bad beyond words or does not exist =.="
KPSA won. somehow >__> congrats to them anyway no amount of arguing will change that either -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 12:13:29
I think this result not reasonable
Please PDS judges give me some explain
The rules was decide by me , wcy , zombo -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 12:15:54
uh yeah lol..
But ellusion67is good.
PDS scores are stupid lol..
0/8/0/8 like a if they got no proper judging crieria.
Either that or they just have really weird standards. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 12:28:46
Joshy said he's gonna ask Taru
Taru is one of PDS admin and judge for PDS.
I initially wrote collab creativity, but I thought it was confusing because creativity also means pen spinning creativity, so I changed to theme. It's basically the same thing.
But yes, even if PDS judge give only 5 for music and 5 for editing, PSH wins. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 12:35:36QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 19 2009, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Joshy said he's gonna ask Taru
Taru is one of PDS admin and judge for PDS.
I initially wrote collab creativity, but I thought it was confusing because creativity also means pen spinning creativity, so I changed to theme. It's basically the same thing.
But yes, even if PDS judge give only 5 for music and 5 for editing, PSH wins.
I know that it is very subjectivism
But I want PDS judges explain the mark -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 12:49:59
what the hell are PDS’s judgement doing...
the PSH points is so unbelievable.
It's more Ridiculous than you don't know you are a damn sugar daddy...
Let's celebrate the KPSA win the first. how about to award them some GMH?! -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 12:53:05QUOTE (SJ @ Jan 19 2009, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>someone tell us what that means lol
it means what you see there, grass-mud-horse
It doesnt mean anything = =...3S is just random... -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 13:05:24
there are nearly one third of the replys were replied by chinese...
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 13:25:24
Thank you,PDS.Thank you for opening my eyes that even a famous org. as such also can do dirty things like that,which is far beyond my imagination,if you really mean that but not by a mistake(a terrible one,though).You just get my mouth as well as my eyes wide open.And I really appreciate your effort to make you more popular than KPSA(congratz) in this thread.
Certainly we're not going to rob the champion. What we are seeking for is a justified result and a substantial reason for all these, and, perhaps an apology?Well I even do not expect that much.
And, a roll is likely to take place in PSH to decide whether we should boycott PDS,incluing its pens and tournaments with judges from it. Let's wait and see.
Again thanks,PDS. The AC results really amused me a lot.
Oh yes. If angry spinners from PSH said something unappropriate,I shall apologise. But you know, everyone would lose his temper if he knew what he's elaborately done was unjustifiedly measured. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 13:37:04
0 for smoothness to ellusion?
thats crap. no one should have gotten a 0 for smoothness -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 13:52:15
Actually the result is not that important.
BUT
How would you think when you edited the video
with lots of time,
and think of some critical ideas
to make the video better
the theme better
again and again
And the result is 0.
If you were 3Shine ,how would you think ?
Although mostly all of the spinner thinks that the theme is perfect.
It's ironical.
We hope Taru can give us a explanation
also how the theme is so bad -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 13:54:03
yea. editing a video is not as easy as most people out there think. you have to crack your brains for the way you present it so that it will appeal to your audiences and be unique in some way
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 14:00:49QUOTE (XternalメDGN @ Jan 19 2009, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yea. editing a video is not as easy as most people out there. you have to crack your brains for the way you present it so that it will appeal to your audiences and be unique in some way
That's really a hard work.
PSH's collab is unique (i think)
I just want to say ,how would 3shine think?
not resonable -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 14:10:02
taru come here and post!
i think those results are really NOT fair! -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 14:15:35
I think Asian Cup is a game , we want fun in penspinning
But this post all the reply is angry , grumble .......
We need to calm down and find the best way to solve this problem -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 14:19:41QUOTE (Sian_ing @ Jan 19 2009, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it has nothin to do with the spinners
yep, i dont think every PDS spinner is a judge in AC. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 14:24:29QUOTE (OnLy @ Jan 19 2009, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think Asian Cup is a game , we want fun in penspinning
But this post all the reply is angry , grumble .......
We need to calm down and find the best way to solve this problem
For me,
i think the way to solve this problem is only to wait
for the response of taru
and Joshy may tell us that -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 15:24:48
taru has to be smoking something..
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 15:56:12
LOL
Whose idea was it to reveal full judging things in this tournament. Well..whoever you are.. YOUR AN IDIOT.
In WT07, I heard people (or a person) got angry after seeing their result compared to the winner.
In WC08, people saying the judges are biased and blah blah blah. and people started flaming everyone.
And this time you reveal all the judges and all the scores they gave? Learn from the past.
oh and i think PDS judging is crazy too. I would go and make him re-judge if possible. but I don't see making any difference if PSH came 1st or not. This doesn't really prove anything. just beat them in WT09. -
Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 17:13:49
lol thats true but WC08 no results were revealed at all so either way ppl can complain
Answer vs TurnDon't
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Date: Mon, Jan 19 2009 20:51:28
about Chinese spinners posting here, where else can we go??? can anyone give us a user name and password to go on PDS website?
no one in PSH knew how to get on PDS website, they had restricted registration rules.
We post here so if some Korean guy can translate this message to the judge.
about Answer vs TurnDon't, i was talking to Answer last week, neither of us had enough knowledge about TurnDon't, but i'm sure Answer is gonna to try his best to kick this guy's ass -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 01:56:04QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 20 2009, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol thats true but WC08 no results were revealed at all so either way ppl can complain
We need to find a way so everybody wins. Then there will be no complaints.
@AyySoLo: PDS spinners don't visit UPSB because they can't communicate. So what difference would it make if you go to PDS and not be able to communicate with them? -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 02:27:03
@whitefang: PSH is a large community, there are people who can actually type Korean, so if we could go on, we will be able to talk.
and I don't believe that ALL PDS people don't know a word of English, otherwise how could the international pen store been set up? It's just that they don't come to UPSB much, their English are not good, but they also have dictionary.
all i'm trying to say is that we are not here to spam, but this is the only way we can reach the PDS judge -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 05:36:42
PDS really disappointing
PDS remember ... you are judge -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 07:49:37
okay this is taru's reply
타루ミXs[M]: ì¼ë‹¨ ì£¼ì œìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤. 편집ì˜ìƒ ì¤‘ê°„ì¤‘ê°„ì— ì˜¬ë¦¼í”½ê´€ë ¨ ì˜ìƒì´ë‚˜ì™”는ë°. ì´ê±´ 어디까지나 아시안컵. ë” ë„“ì€ë²”위ì—ì„ íŽœìŠ¤í”¼ë‹ê³¼ëŠ” ì „í˜€ ê´€ê³„ê°€ì—†ì—ˆê¸°ì— 0ì 처리한것입니다. 노래는 ì œê°€ ë®¤ì§€ì…˜ìœ¼ë¡œì¨ ê°•í•œì‹¬ì‚¬ë¥¼í•œê²ë‹ˆë‹¤. ë´‰ì¿ ë¼ ì†”ë¡œ1,2기처럼 싱í¬ë¡œë§žëŠ”부분ë„ì—†ê³ ë…¸ëž˜ê°€ 중ë…ë˜ì–´ì„œ ìžê¾¸ 펜스피ë‹ì„ 보게하는것ë„ì•„ë‹ˆê³ (사쿤ì´ì˜ í”„ë¡œëª¨ìž‘í’ˆì´ ì´ì ì´ ê°•í•˜ì£ ) ì„ ê³¡ì„¼ìŠ¤ê°€ ì—‰ë§ì´ë¼ 0ì 준것입니다. 하지만 불효과와 í…스트효과만í¼ì€ 뛰어나서 편집면ì—ì„ ë†’ì€ì 수를 주었ë˜ê±¸ë¡œì••ë‹ˆë‹¤. ê·¸ë¦¬ê³ ì‹¬ì‚¬ê²°ê³¼ì— íƒœí´ê±¸ê¸°ì—는 ì œê°€ answer 와 12veì—는 높ì€ì 수를 줬ë˜ê±¸ë¡œë³´ì•„ ì „ 굉장히 ì„¸ì‹¬í•˜ê³ íŽ¸íŒŒì—†ëŠ” ì ìˆ˜ë¥¼ì¤¬ë‹¤ê³ ì „í•´ì£¼ì„¸ìš” ì „ 파ì´ë„ë¼ìš´ë“œë§Œí¼ì€ ëª¨ë“ ì˜ìƒì„ 10번ì´ìƒë³´ê³ , 3번ì´ìƒìƒê°í•˜ê³ 채ì 한것입니다. ê·¸ë§Œí¼ ì‚¬ëžŒë“¤ì˜ ì 수가 ë‚®ì€ê±°ì£ . ê·¸ë¦¬ê³ ê·¸ 와중ì—ë„ ë§Œì ì— ê°€ê¹Œìš´ì‚¬ëžŒì´ ì 지않아있으니 태í´ì„ 걸 ìž…ìž¥ì€ ì•„ë‹ˆë¼ê³ ë´ë‹¬ë¼ê³ ì „í•´ì£¼ì„¸ìš”. ë˜ PDS심사위ì›ìœ¼ë¡œì¨ ë§í•˜ê¸´ ë하지만 PDS까지 채ì í• ìˆ˜ìžˆì—ˆìœ¼ë©´ 0ì 근처를 기었ì„ê±°ë¼ê³ ì „í•´ì£¼ì„¸ìš”(앙마ë¼ë¬œë‹˜ì œì™¸)
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just in case i translate it wrong i copied exact words of Taru above
Theme. in the collab there were videos of olympic related video but this is pen spinning. so the main theme of any collab should be about pen spinning.
music: i'm a musician myself so i graded really hard. Unlike Bonkura solo 1st and 2nd there is no syncronization and the BGM it self makes it hard to watch the penspinning it self. but the fire effects and the words effects were greast so i gave them a high score.
because it is final round i watched each videos more than 10 times and thought about it 3 times and judged. thay is why some scores are low. but there are people i gave 99 so please don't make arguments about give a 0 for smoothness. Also if i were to grade PDS videos from 1st round there is a spinner i would have given a very low score near 0 -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 07:54:48
he said near zero. but he gave exactly zero.
and he said he would have given pds spinners near zero. but i think psh and ellusion own those pds spinners. -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 08:14:55QUOTE (Sian_ing @ Jan 19 2009, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>he said near zero. but he gave exactly zero.
and he said he would have given pds spinners near zero. but i think psh and ellusion own those pds spinners.
his 0 means
0 out of 100 total
not just in smoothness -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 08:18:25
I have to say that's actually good reasoning
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Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 09:42:10
WOW taru such a not bad spinner but don't want the different of 0 and near 0
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Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 09:44:57
Did not need to say.
PSH is the best. -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 10:16:41QUOTE (Joshy @ Jan 20 2009, 03:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Theme. in the collab there were videos of olympic related video but this is pen spinning. so the main theme of any collab should be about pen spinning.
hahahahaha...
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Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 10:33:17QUOTE (3Shine @ Jan 20 2009, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hahahahaha...
I can only say that I don't think that
the main theme of PSH's is olympic.
It's still penspinning.
But Taru has really given some reasonable reasons.
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Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 10:45:29QUOTE (Joshy @ Jan 20 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>okay this is taru's reply
타루ミXs[M]: ì¼ë‹¨ ì£¼ì œìž…ë‹ˆë‹¤. 편집ì˜ìƒ ì¤‘ê°„ì¤‘ê°„ì— ì˜¬ë¦¼í”½ê´€ë ¨ ì˜ìƒì´ë‚˜ì™”는ë°. ì´ê±´ 어디까지나 아시안컵. ë” ë„“ì€ë²”위ì—ì„ íŽœìŠ¤í”¼ë‹ê³¼ëŠ” ì „í˜€ ê´€ê³„ê°€ì—†ì—ˆê¸°ì— 0ì 처리한것입니다. 노래는 ì œê°€ ë®¤ì§€ì…˜ìœ¼ë¡œì¨ ê°•í•œì‹¬ì‚¬ë¥¼í•œê²ë‹ˆë‹¤. ë´‰ì¿ ë¼ ì†”ë¡œ1,2기처럼 싱í¬ë¡œë§žëŠ”부분ë„ì—†ê³ ë…¸ëž˜ê°€ 중ë…ë˜ì–´ì„œ ìžê¾¸ 펜스피ë‹ì„ 보게하는것ë„ì•„ë‹ˆê³ (사쿤ì´ì˜ í”„ë¡œëª¨ìž‘í’ˆì´ ì´ì ì´ ê°•í•˜ì£ ) ì„ ê³¡ì„¼ìŠ¤ê°€ ì—‰ë§ì´ë¼ 0ì 준것입니다. 하지만 불효과와 í…스트효과만í¼ì€ 뛰어나서 편집면ì—ì„ ë†’ì€ì 수를 주었ë˜ê±¸ë¡œì••ë‹ˆë‹¤. ê·¸ë¦¬ê³ ì‹¬ì‚¬ê²°ê³¼ì— íƒœí´ê±¸ê¸°ì—는 ì œê°€ answer 와 12veì—는 높ì€ì 수를 줬ë˜ê±¸ë¡œë³´ì•„ ì „ 굉장히 ì„¸ì‹¬í•˜ê³ íŽ¸íŒŒì—†ëŠ” ì ìˆ˜ë¥¼ì¤¬ë‹¤ê³ ì „í•´ì£¼ì„¸ìš” ì „ 파ì´ë„ë¼ìš´ë“œë§Œí¼ì€ ëª¨ë“ ì˜ìƒì„ 10번ì´ìƒë³´ê³ , 3번ì´ìƒìƒê°í•˜ê³ 채ì 한것입니다. ê·¸ë§Œí¼ ì‚¬ëžŒë“¤ì˜ ì 수가 ë‚®ì€ê±°ì£ . ê·¸ë¦¬ê³ ê·¸ 와중ì—ë„ ë§Œì ì— ê°€ê¹Œìš´ì‚¬ëžŒì´ ì 지않아있으니 태í´ì„ 걸 ìž…ìž¥ì€ ì•„ë‹ˆë¼ê³ ë´ë‹¬ë¼ê³ ì „í•´ì£¼ì„¸ìš”. ë˜ PDS심사위ì›ìœ¼ë¡œì¨ ë§í•˜ê¸´ ë하지만 PDS까지 채ì í• ìˆ˜ìžˆì—ˆìœ¼ë©´ 0ì 근처를 기었ì„ê±°ë¼ê³ ì „í•´ì£¼ì„¸ìš”(앙마ë¼ë¬œë‹˜ì œì™¸)
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just in case i translate it wrong i copied exact words of Taru above
Theme. in the collab there were videos of olympic related video but this is pen spinning. so the main theme of any collab should be about pen spinning.
music: i'm a musician myself so i graded really hard. Unlike Bonkura solo 1st and 2nd there is no syncronization and the BGM it self makes it hard to watch the penspinning it self. but the fire effects and the words effects were greast so i gave them a high score.
because it is final round i watched each videos more than 10 times and thought about it 3 times and judged. thay is why some scores are low. but there are people i gave 99 so please don't make arguments about give a 0 for smoothness. Also if i were to grade PDS videos from 1st round there is a spinner i would have given a very low score near 0
Thanks you very much=]
I don't agree the theme explain , because I think the theme isn't only use penspinning theme
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Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 10:47:41
Was expecting PSH to bag the 1st place though.
inb4 weird grading -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 12:55:11QUOTE (Joshy @ Jan 20 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>just in case i translate it wrong i copied exact words of Taru above
Theme. in the collab there were videos of olympic related video but this is pen spinning. so the main theme of any collab should be about pen spinning.
>>Taru
About theme:You should know what theme means exactly and Zombo have explained it well enough.
If as you said ，KPSA opening just like an Hollywood movie，but there were vedeos of Hollywood movie before ，so in your logic you should also give KPSA 0 point for theme，but you dont ，so why？？？you like Hollywood movie but disdain Olympic ？？？？everything in your explain is prejudice。
Our theme is “Spirit transferingâ€,we have explain it clearly.Besides faster higher,stronger,other three words that are relate to PenSpinning are diversity,beauty,creativity,are you dare saying that these three words are against the judging rule(Structure Appeal Creativity)?Are you dare saying that these three words are no relate to pen spinning?On the other hand,there’re six kinds of spirit we want to transfer,we transfer these by cooperation(each guy is in charge of one kind of them).What you should know is that there is much cooperation in their transferring and the theme of cooperation is also included,so each guy can expressed one kind of pen spinning theme,these six themes are relate to the spirit transferring.If you say thatâ€there is no theme in itâ€,you can understand captions,don’t you? “one pen one world，we use our pen to transfer the spirit，we use our pen to show the world†,what we continuely insist on is “penâ€,can you say that there is no relate to pen spinning?We all take the pen to show our mind.We continuely insist on “we†and “spiritâ€too. We continuely insist that what we have learnt from pen spinning are not only pen spinning, cooperation and the spirit are also included.It’s a kind of sublimation to pen spinning,isn’t it? I’m seriously doubt Taru’s understanding ability as a human being while all teams give 10 and he can give such stupid 0。QUOTE (Joshy @ Jan 20 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>music: i'm a musician myself so i graded really hard. Unlike Bonkura solo 1st and 2nd there is no syncronization and the BGM it self makes it hard to watch the penspinning it self. but the fire effects and the words effects were greast so i gave them a high score.
You said。“i'm a musician myself so i graded really hardâ€ï¼Œclap， that’s great. musician
You have said there is no syncronization and the BGM it self makes it hard to watch the penspinning itself.
So,please tell me that how you watch a video,from OP to ED,and to every pser,there are many parts of music is fit for the tricks and you cant heard that, so what method that you use to listen it?Turning off the HIFI?
Garlic, ssEno and Pale Masters’ combo fits their parts of music perfectly,some tricks of answer’s combo fits his part.well in a soft way caz the theme is beauty or appeal and his style is soft .
On the other hand,not only the rhyme of music,but also different parts of music are used to fit different themes and different kinds of style of psers
.The OP music fits the OP well enough,garlic’s part is fast, it fits his theme of “faster†and the momentum of beginning
well.Answer’s part of music is different from 12ve’s ,these two different style of music fit their style well.
The last spinner is 3Shine,he spin fire and light up the torch,and now the music change to climax
.All of these are music synchronization. Just make you--a musician to understand。
.As your words,the music should get very low score,so how can you explain that THPSC give us 10,TWPS give us 9.5 and the lowest give us 6 at least?But how can you explain you give 0??
I am not that big word. “musicianâ€,but just a music fans and compose music sometimes,and I adore Sig in FPSB 3rd very much 。You have said that there is no any synchronization in this music—as one of your fraternity,I’m seriously doubt your musical feeling and doubt your understanding ability and your conscience.
Double inexplainable zero!! I’m looking forward to get a suitable answer from Taru,but what we have received is this antinomy response.
You haven’t gave us a reasonable score,what’s more, you haven’t gave us an explanation that fits for the Humanistic spirit and the logic of human being.you haven't use objectivism to judge but use the way of subjectivism and prejudice .QUOTE (Joshy @ Jan 20 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>because it is final round i watched each videos more than 10 times and thought about it 3 times and judged. thay is why some scores are low. but there are people i gave 99 so please don't make arguments about give a 0 for smoothness.
It’s just like that “I help old people to get across the road,so please ignore that I have killed many peopleâ€. -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 12:59:28
hahahahahahaha your last sentence just owned taru
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Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 13:01:09
OT: Which country does PSH represent?
i kinda .. forgotten -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 13:16:11QUOTE (XternalメDGN @ Jan 21 2009, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>OT: Which country does PSH represent?
i kinda .. forgotten
PSerHome = China -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 14:26:00
1 The results are not important now.What we care now is the reason given by taru.
2 Theme:taru's 0 just slapped the other three judges in the face who all gave 10. And, why can't a pen spinning collab contains an Olimpic theme? If so, does that means all films are bound to be related to film itself, and no love/sports/adventure or other elements can be related? And concerts, just about music itself?No emotion?
3 Music sync.:big619 had clearly explained already. -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 14:36:37
Lol i lol'd at big619's last sentence.
I don't see why PS can't have the olympic theme. I mean.. they did host the last olympics after all. -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 14:44:19
anyway...
taru is probably the only guy out there who didn't understand the collab, so don't judge PDS spinners because of only 1 person
-> this is the first time we do a collab battle, maybe the grading wasn't clear, next time we will revise the rules. -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 14:52:58QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 20 2009, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>anyway...
taru is probably the only guy out there who didn't understand the collab, so don't judge PDS spinners because of only 1 person
-> this is the first time we do a collab battle, maybe the grading wasn't clear, next time we will revise the rules.
Agreed.But you know we seldom see PDS members here. So if there's one,we will unconsciously think that he represents the whole.That's why we get mad at PDS. It's not right though.But we just tend to think that way. -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 17:34:48
Well, first, congratulations to the winners ^^"
everyone did a great job- I really enjoyed it =]
I must say though, I also think some of the judging was... well, can't say wrong, but a bit unfair =\ I won't argue with Taru's grading, but giving a complete 0? seems a bit "extreme" and way too harsh if you ask me =\
Still, It's not just winning or losing everyone did a great job, and I'm sure people will remember these collabs for a long time- such epic editing and spinning
I actually wanted to see some better stuff from JEB (I did really liked their combos and all, but I felt something was missing) .-. -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 22:15:31
we don't accept that explanation, that's a horrible explanation.
here is the definition of THEME:
a subject of discourse, discussion, meditation, or composition;
if u say the theme of this film must be PEN SPINNING, then u should give everybody 10/10, because all of them are PEN SPINNING videos. They all focused on PEN SPINNING.
ok, maybe i misunderstood, u meant RELATED to pen spinning. So you think Olympic spirit is not related to pen spinning? go to wikipedia and u will see this:
Olympic spirit is: spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play
Is this not related to pen spinning? If you say no, then we have nothing to discuss about.
What is the point of holding all these World cup, world tournament, and Asain cup? It is to build a way to connect all the spinners around the world. Many spinners became friends with their opponents after the game. This is FRIENDSHIP
Why do Asian cup and World cup have team score? Why do we make this collaboration battle? This is SOLIDARITY
Why do we have judges from every community? Why can't one person just decide the result? This is FAIR
This is Olympic spirit, it should also be part of Pen Spinning spirit. Now u still say it's not related to pen spinning? -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 23:41:59
Ok I have seen enough and I just want this arguement to be over with. Here is my opionion, btw I'm Garlic Im also in PSH AC =)
And Im saying this from an objective stand so I hope everyone to understand that Im not biased.
This whole arguement is about standard of judging for penspinning.
If you remember, in R1, our PSH judge CNstar gave almost spinner an 0 for creativity score, only full creativity mark for DaThroat and 5 mark to ChauTran as I remembered
His reason for that is, he had seen and mastered all the tricks/linkages that spinners performed, why should I give creativity score? There's nothing new or nothing I haven't seen before?
This is because, that we dont have a standard of judging in the sport of penspinning yet.
If theres no standard, judges can only give the scores depending on their own opionion about the combo performed.
example, theres no standard about how difficult a cont FLIA*5 is, of course by heart we all know this is got at least some difficulty.
but,looking all over the world now, how many times have you seen people use FLIA*5 in videos?I'd say many many...people even go up to FLIA*100+,think about that
so is it still difficult?I'd say probably not nowadays.Is it creative?Absolutely no.
There is no way to measure how creative a combo is, at least we dont have a system yet.
put is this way, in my opionion, the less people in world can master a trick/linkage= the more creative the trick/linkage is
If I have never seen a trick/linkage done by other people before,you are the first person to invent it,creativity=100%
BUT, even if a trick/linkage is amazing,creative,revolutionary,BUT!you have seen it once done by another spinner
WOULD YOU STILL SAY ITS CREATIVE?
I would say, no,because its other people's invention, you just simply copied it.
After this explanation I believe many of you would understand CNstar's judging measure in R1.
OK, now into the arguement of R2
It is really the exact same idea.
We dont have rules,dont have standard,dont have a system in the sport of penspinning
more specificly, we dont have a judging standard measure in AC
therefore, we cant expect every judge to think the same,mark the same
Of course there is still something called common sense
which I dont think can apply in this case
Of course in my opinion PSH's collab is absolutely amazing,its just so creative,and Im proud to be part of it.
but why would Taru think the same too?there is no such rule says Olympic theme=full score
He totally can judge our collab completely different than other judges
because he has another opionion, which we cant say is wrong.
Because we dont have a standard in penspinning
I hope this fight will be over, and penspinning,as an new uprising competition sport, will walk itself to a state of completeness.
thx anyone who read this. -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 23:49:29QUOTE (CyeLen @ Jan 20 2009, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>*finally a sensible statement in this thread*
finally someone from PSH who isn't just being like "KILL TARU" and "I HATE PDS" (not trying to be offenseive but that's what everyone else has essentially done this whole thread)
and I agree with you. The standard isn't the same for everyone, and I would've said the thing about the CNstar thing too but i didnt really look into results that far xD -
Date: Tue, Jan 20 2009 23:56:45QUOTE (CyeLen @ Jan 20 2009, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>----------
I agree there is no standard, but as long as your judging is CONSISTENT, then it's acceptable. It means if CNStar gives 0 for not creative combos, then he must give 0 to ALL not creative combos. If he gives 10 to another combo which not creative, then he is wrong.
Taru chooses to give 0 for music and 0 for theme for PSH. That's OK, but we must ask does it agree with the other scores he gave to other collabs. If it is not consistent, then the judging is wrong.
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Date: Wed, Jan 21 2009 00:02:39
@CyeLen/Garlic: Creativity can be judged on two levels: using less-common linkages and having a variety of tricks in your combo
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Date: Wed, Jan 21 2009 00:08:05
Even after Taru's explanation I still don't understand. A theme in a book is an underlying message the author is trying to portray using the his/her word and the story. The theme isn't the book itself, it's something more. Same should go for these collabs. The theme isn't pen spinning, the theme is what the psers are trying to show USING pen spinning. I guess the problem here is that Taru's definition of theme isn't the same as mine but these are just my thoughts.
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Date: Wed, Jan 21 2009 00:23:37QUOTE (AwonW @ Jan 20 2009, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Even after Taru's explanation I still don't understand. A theme in a book is an underlying message the author is trying to portray using the his/her word and the story. The theme isn't the book itself, it's something more. Same should go for these collabs. The theme isn't pen spinning, the theme is what the psers are trying to show USING pen spinning. I guess the problem here is that Taru's definition of theme isn't the same as mine but these are just my thoughts.
he means the theme should be PS related.
for example the odd location collab, its easy to see the theme is PS-related cuz the theme is about spinning pens in odd locations. its straightforward.
however, when we talk about the olympics, the relation is less tangible, and much more symbolic. -
Date: Wed, Jan 21 2009 01:21:38
o_O"
PSH's theme wasn't even olympics! Did anybody see 5 random rings in there?
It was a symbol for spirit, friendship, and power.. All the spinners contributed to something big which is 3Shine who lights the fire at the end.
And...a 0 should be given for no music at all. A 0 for smoothness shouldn't be given neither. -
Date: Wed, Jan 21 2009 02:02:59
oh..
Could it be said that the vedio without anything but spinning is the best ? -
Date: Wed, Jan 21 2009 02:13:04
I am not even judging whos wrong whos right now
Im just pointing out a lack of system in the sport of penspinning.
Ok first off we have this "collab battle" for the 2nd round of Asian Cup
and right there we see "theme"
ok I think most people roughly know what the word "theme" means
but, what about theme?how are the judges supposed to judge theme?
theme is not just word that will explain everything in every circumstances
its just a general word, I mean all we see in the judging criteria is this word: theme
This is really just a problem of not setting enough explanation for the judges -
Date: Wed, Jan 21 2009 03:15:13QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 20 2009, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>he means the theme should be PS related.
for example the odd location collab, its easy to see the theme is PS-related cuz the theme is about spinning pens in odd locations. its straightforward.
however, when we talk about the olympics, the relation is less tangible, and much more symbolic.
since Garlic started on this standard thing, i'll also get away from this Taru topic, but talk about standard.
in my opinion (just mine, doesn't represent anyone from PSH), a category like Theme, shouldn't be judged on WHAT THE THEME IS, but HOW GOOD IS IT PRESENTED. This is why i like that thing called EFFECTIVENESS on WT09. This reduces the bias of the judge, they might not like the theme itself, (for ex, in this case, Taru doesn't like the theme of Olympic spirit), but he is not judging on this, he is judging on how well did the film expressed this theme. I believe that's wayyyyy easier to judge.
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Date: Wed, Jan 21 2009 07:21:25
oh,I see Zombo means what for Taru 's opinion about PS
Taru just like a god.He say this is PS related, and that's it.
we do one month efforts try many possibility in PS。
but Taru just look the Olypic part . and pass other efforts in PS ,that is selectivity. he ’s logic is“ that is Olypic .No matter what you add tons of PS in it, it forever Olypic ,no PS related. Because it is Olypic ，so the music also not about PS，the music is about Olypic,so give you guy double 0 is very perfect“
So we can just laugh but cant change anything 。
But I have never seen a Olypic idea in PS before. That is just an original try.
But that make no sense for Taru, because he think that is all Olypic ，he cant see just a little penspinning in it，what we do is just a Olypic movie。
So what he say is always right.
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Date: Wed, Jan 21 2009 07:50:57
Wouldn't a 0 mean no creativity whatsoever?
Even though PSH's collab did not meet Taru's expectations, I still think a 0 is a bit too harsh -
Date: Thu, Jan 22 2009 13:23:55
Eating apple for eating apple = eating apple for nothing
A penspining theme in a penspining video = no theme in a penspining video = 0 point