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Serious Discussion / World is filled with stupid people
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Date: Tue, Feb 10 2009 13:18:24
I think the world is filled with stupid people, and I want to know what you think about what I'm going to say.
Relationship between two countries. Good example would be Japan vs China+Korea. Since WWII and Japan invaded China and Korea, raped over hundreds and thousands of people, nanjins and everything, massacred so many people and things like that. I go to youtube and see my message box spammed with message telling me that I should go fuck myself because my country in WWII did this and that. Most of them were Chinese and Koreans, some Americans.
They say that I'm a fucking rapist little piece of shit, I should go fuck myself and go to hell. All they say is that. But WWII happened in 1940s mainly, and I was born in 1991. Why do I have to get blamed by these people? I haven't done anything, and they call me rapist and ugly shithole and all those stuff. In reality, I heard a from a friend I know who lives in China, that China educates the students to hate Japan. I've never been there so I can't be sure if it is true or not. But why? Of course. I would NEVER EVER say that victim of Japanese Imperial ARMY should forget about what happened. That's impossible. The truth is, Japan did a lot of bad shit.
But can't people just move on? Can people just stop making people hate others? Because China and Korea hates Japanese, Japanese hates Chinese and Koreans. When a food in Japan that was imported from China is toxic, Japanese blame Chinese, and Chinese blames Japan believing that Japan is trying to make them look bad. Indeed, I don't know which did the bad stuff. But neither side is cooperative and the problem doesn't get solved. And another similar problem happens, and same loop that makes things worse. I have met a lot of Chinese and Koreans in my life outside USA, and when I talk to them, they are such a good people, but when I reveal I'm Japanese, they curse at me and tell me to get lost. Of course, in USA, Asians meet so many different people that they are much more accepting or wouldn't even care if i'm Japanese or not. But outside USA, they do so many bad things. They even throw shit at me.
I must admit. Being Japanese means having an eternal crime of what happened in WWII, even though I wasn't involved in it. But if Chinese and Koreans could keep blaming me of what happened, I can also blame Americans for dropping atomic bomb, killing my grandmother's relatives, making my grandmother exposed to radiation, and all those things. But do I hate Americans? No duh. Do I blame them? well maybe if it's the guy who agreed to the dropping in WWII, then maybe, but people other than that? NO! NEVER.
Blaming others about past never works. I don't think it ever would. Blaming only cause people to blame, cause hatred. Hatred don't solve anything, and it only makes things worse.
Can't people just be smart? Can't we just all get along?
Another stupid stuff that I heard is that all Japan is a country of rape or something like that. Seriously, have these guys ever been to Japan to wonder why Japan is so peaceful?
Of course, I have never seen rape, nor have I heard about it. On youtube, there's a video titled "rape club in Japan", which talks about a rape club in Waseda University in Japan, one of the top 3 private college (Other being the Keio and Jyouchi). Have you read the comments? They say all Japanese are rapist and their existence causes all problems in the world and shit like that. First, Japan is one of the safest country against rape as the numbers say so. Although, people around the world say it doesn't get reported, that's nonsense. Indeed, there should be a lot of rapes that wasn't reported, but it should be the same amount as any other country. Who can prove that most rapes are not reported MORE than any other country? No one can. Not even me. The reported case of rape in Japan is much lower than US, lower than most countries, but somehow, people say that most rapes are not reported and numbers of rape in Japan is much higher than any other country by twice or something. What the fuck?
FIRST OF ALL, if rape was something Japan easily accept, then why would Japan even do a documentary and news of rapes? Isn't that contradiction? The TV program is telling the viewers that rape is a bad thing, and yet people outside Japan thinks that this TV program encourages viewers to do rape or some strange shit like that. Stupidity is well proven. Of course, I'm not saying rape in Japan shouldn't be brought up. I'm saying that rape happens in any country, and rape is one of the worst crime you could think of because it harms the victim mentally, physically, psychologically, and rape is philosophically, ethnically, socially, and judicially wrong.
Seems like a lot of people are stupid.
What do you guys think? Cuz I'm so pissed off at all the messages in youtube from assholes telling me I am fucking rapist and I should commit suicide and shit like that. Why would I ever support massacre or rape? NEVER. -
Date: Tue, Feb 10 2009 14:49:12
F**k, and this happens almost everyday?
I doubt if they can still be considered people anymore, more like robots, they just make conclusions and poof! they just say what they're 'programed' to. -
Date: Tue, Feb 10 2009 21:51:02
Dude you need to ignore youtube, anything said there is just a troll attempt. People in real life however areignorant, it sucks that people are educated like that.
I agree with you on all your points, people shouldn't blame people for what their country did. A country's actions are determined by only a few people, even in a democracy people are elected and can make decisions until their term is up. -
Date: Tue, Feb 10 2009 21:55:15
People can be really stupid.
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Date: Wed, Feb 11 2009 03:46:24
wow i cant believe you get messages like that on youtube... ppl are just fucking retarded.
well, the thing is, there will always be haters. no matter what you do, nothing will make them forgive japanese. a lot of people got over the whole WWII issue but at the same time, a lot of them didnt.
there will always be a balance of some sort. haters or what not, there really isnt much you can do. the best you can do is to ignore them for their stupidity and retardedness. -
Date: Wed, Feb 11 2009 05:12:11QUOTE (SJ @ Feb 10 2009, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>wow i cant believe you get messages like that on youtube... ppl are just fucking retarded.
I can
I've seen and gotten pretty much just as much crap you've gotten. It's not just you as a Japanese that's a victim because no offense but alot of Japanese youtubers are racist as crap too.
The ones that make stupid statements and randomly blame Japanese people are just stupid and trolls as Awesome said, just learn to cope and ignore their dumb comments
As for people who actually do blame Japan, the ones who aren't just jumping the bandwagon and have a real opinion blame the government (which has been "hiding" the thing for the past 60 years). Alot of people have asked them to educate and asked for an apology even people in Japan itself but the government just won't do crap about it and denies any evidence of the events, that's what really tips people off about WWII. -
Date: Wed, Feb 11 2009 10:53:32
I don't think the issue has that much to do with WWII. Here in Europe there has never really been that kind of hatred against Germans, even though what Nazi Germany did under WWII argubly was much worse than what Japan did.
I think what is really going on is that some people in the neighboor countries to Japan are jealous of Japan's the superior position in the region, and therefore will try to find some reason to hate the Japanese people. I'm not saying that everyone in those countries thinks like that, but it obvious that someone does, and their propaganda must be affecting other people's opinion indirectly. It is like living in a racist society, even though you don't want to be racist yourself, you can end up thinking like one anyways, because society's opinion influence you over time. It is terrible to watch, but that sort of thing happens all the time. -
Date: Wed, Feb 11 2009 12:47:04QUOTE (DaeHa @ Feb 11 2009, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can
I've seen and gotten pretty much just as much crap you've gotten. It's not just you as a Japanese that's a victim because no offense but alot of Japanese youtubers are racist as crap too.
The ones that make stupid statements and randomly blame Japanese people are just stupid and trolls as Awesome said, just learn to cope and ignore their dumb comments
As for people who actually do blame Japan, the ones who aren't just jumping the bandwagon and have a real opinion blame the government (which has been "hiding" the thing for the past 60 years). Alot of people have asked them to educate and asked for an apology even people in Japan itself but the government just won't do crap about it and denies any evidence of the events, that's what really tips people off about WWII.
I agree Japanese Youtubers are fucking racists. They are shame to Japan. THey make the situation worse.
yea Japan denies those stuff. Probably because their position would be brought lower. Well my school educates about what really happened in WWII, the 137th division (forgot the real number), massacring people and experimenting on them, and so many rape of nanjins and things. It's only the government that is denying it. Everyone else don't.
And that's what pisses me off. If Japan keeps on denying it, nothing will get better, and no one would forgive anyone.
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Date: Wed, Feb 11 2009 13:43:00
Filled
Then I would agree. -
Date: Wed, Feb 11 2009 21:39:56
I am not to familiar with Asian history, but weren't japan and china always fighting? I thought Japanese pirates would raid china, china would call them names.
Hasn't this been going on forever, instead of being caused from WWII? -
Date: Thu, Feb 12 2009 01:55:13QUOTE (Awesome @ Feb 11 2009, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I am not to familiar with Asian history, but weren't japan and china always fighting? I thought Japanese pirates would raid china, china would call them names.
Hasn't this been going on forever, instead of being caused from WWII?
Yea they were in wars conflicts, raids etc. WWII is more Korea/Japan problem than China/Japan (though rape/comfort women/"experiements"/killing/genocide/massacre/other) was still with China too. -
Date: Thu, Feb 12 2009 01:58:53QUOTE (DaeHa @ Feb 11 2009, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yea they were in wars conflicts, raids etc. WWII is more Korea/Japan problem than China/Japan (though rape/comfort women/"experiements"/killing/genocide/massacre/other) was still with China too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_nanjing
technically not in the ww2 but still -
Date: Thu, Feb 12 2009 02:07:57QUOTE (TheOnion @ Feb 11 2009, 05:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>society's opinion influence you over time. It is terrible to watch, but that sort of thing happens all the time.
This. -
Date: Fri, Feb 20 2009 15:06:57
It's the INTERNET! No one would walk up to you in real life and say "RAPIST" in your face. But they seem to be pumped on roids on the internet.
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Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 03:02:01QUOTE (TheOnion @ Feb 11 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't think the issue has that much to do with WWII. Here in Europe there has never really been that kind of hatred against Germans
Seems like you have never lived in the UK. Hatred for the Germans is common place, due to their actions in world war two.
@original post:
Just ignore youtube comments?
And to the question (is the world full of stupid people?).
Everyone is stupid in some way or another, in fact, everyone is stupid in many ways. The world is full of people and therefore of stupid ones.
Also, people of different races, of different countries and different origins will always struggle to get along. That is just the way it is I am afraid.
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Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 03:10:21
Yep. Shit Happens.
Yea. I don't get why people could hate Germans. They don't know how good those people are today. and besides, there are German who's Hebrew.
Japan and Germany lost the war badly, but they are ironically one of the "advanced" country. -
Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 03:17:31QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Feb 21 2009, 03:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yep. Shit Happens.
Yea. I don't get why people could hate Germans. They don't know how good those people are today. and besides, there are German who's Hebrew.
You have generalised in your statement, assuming that all Germans are good. People who think all Germans are bad because of world war two are also being very general. People are too general!QUOTEJapan and Germany lost the war badly, but they are ironically one of the "advanced" country.
Debatable about Japan. The economic slump they suffered has certainly not helped.
Germany has a large population and is at the heart of Europe, surrounded by rich developed countries with which it can very easily trade. It will be very surprising if ever Germany had a sustained period during which it was not 'advanced'.
(everything above assumes that the richer your country, the more advanced your country will tend to be). -
Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 09:23:53
well Japan still has the second best GDP
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Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 13:42:35QUOTE (Mats @ Feb 21 2009, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Everyone is stupid in some way or another, in fact, everyone is stupid in many ways. The world is full of people and therefore of stupid ones.
This was what I meant in my post. 'Filled' would mean that everyone was stupid, and I'd agree with that. -
Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 14:08:23
WOw..quite tragic for you..I'm chinese from malaysian and i can say that Malaysia chinese people don't flame people based on their past actions..So not all chinese hate japanese people..
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Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 22:30:33
Welcome to our world...
Seriously though, this kind of prejudiced hate will probably never go away, you just have to deal with it...
Yup, the world is full of stupid people *points to signature*. I wonder about it everyday..
The general opinion about Japan around here, at least from what I know, is that it's weird, which comes from the fact that the culture is vastly different then ours, but there's no post WWII hate towards Japan, only towards Germany...
How can we hate Germany? Dude, I was on a school trip to Poland, and we had special white shirts with David's Shield on the back, and we weren't allowed to walk around in the cities with them, because of the risk of attack...
I'm sure that if you walk around Germany enough, you'll still find hooked crosses... so the hate is still around from both sides and I think it will take a really, really long time for it to pass.
As for me, like any normal person I try not to judge.
As for Japan, I fucking love it. I think it's amazing. Every country has it's problems but Japan always seems to be facing the future in terms of progress. I can't wait to go there... -
Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 02:06:11QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Feb 21 2009, 09:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well Japan still has the second best GDP
3rd best
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Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 04:00:45
oh I see, China already surpassed Japanese GDP.
But I believe average single person's life quality is still better than China, not to look down on China. Japan's population is going down too... -
Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 04:29:37
A lot of places have better quality of life than China. I would say China is surpassed by almost all other developed nations in terms of quality of life and that futhermore, GDP, though important, is not everything. However, that is a different debate.
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Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 04:44:11
well china is a good place to go if I don't tell them I'm Japanese. Well it still depends on person though. There are many people are still friendly, but I think there are more than that who still hates Japan.
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Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 04:47:02
Indeed I can imagine that a German coming to live over here may have troubles from quite a lot of people...
I think Teatime is correct, this will probably never go away. People will forever struggle to tolerate differences. -
Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 13:41:19
i am stupid
but without stupid people the world is not fun at all
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Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 21:14:01
I've thought a lot about the things you've said, and about the same kind of thing that happens to me as well.
QUOTECan't people just be smart?
No. Let them live in their stupidity if they chose to be close-minded. Smart people have no obligation to educate indifferent morons. People who want an objective opinion should be dealt with kindly and informed, but those who live a close-minded live deserve what they have brought upon themselves.
As for what all those people on youtube said to you, I would just take a look at the bigger picture. So what if people don't like you on the internet? In the long term, people like them won't matter, and it's better to not take things like that personally.QUOTEi am stupid
there's a difference between funny stupid people, and stupid evangelicals who think they are smart
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Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 10:34:55
In my opinion, people who think they are better than others are the most stupid of everyone.
The one thing I hate above everything else is when people think that they are actually better than others.
(Truthfully, I wanted to use a smiley at the end of that last sentence, but I couldn't find the right one to express how I was feeling when I said it
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Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 11:08:22
I agree to that.
I do think that there are "better" and "worse" people in this world. I think each person tries to make themselves "better", and those who try their best and have the best luck, will become "better".
However, I do hate people who think they are better. -
Date: Sun, Mar 1 2009 07:04:39
theres nothing worng for someone who think that they are better, if they are really better than others.
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Date: Sun, Mar 1 2009 07:12:03
no that's like looking down on people who aren't better.
It's like my family. My older brother has IQ 160 (i forgot the actual number its 168 or 171 or something). My younger sister has IQ 157 or so, but I have 130.
No matter how much i study hard and do my deadly best, I can't surpass my siblings, and they always get better scores (my younger sister scored higher on English English Examination than I did, and we both took same test). And my whole family looks down on me like some retard.
Do you know how i feel? That's why it's god damn fucking annoying when people think they are better than someone. Because there are people who do best, but never get the good result. -
Date: Mon, Mar 2 2009 15:28:25
In a collectivist society like Singapore, you find people who seem smart when it comes to achieving tangible results who at the same time seem dumb when it's obvious that they can't grasp the actual abstract concepts that shape their lives.
I know I'm generalising here, so let me give you one example. I know a straight-A student who, after explaining to him what CG was to him (using The Lord of the Rings, among other action movies, as an example), still believed that Arnie was actually plowed through all those houses in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. No matter how many times I explained the concept of CG to him, he still did not get it.
Sigh. -
Date: Thu, Mar 5 2009 03:44:33QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Feb 28 2009, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>no that's like looking down on people who aren't better.
It's like my family. My older brother has IQ 160 (i forgot the actual number its 168 or 171 or something). My younger sister has IQ 157 or so, but I have 130.
No matter how much i study hard and do my deadly best, I can't surpass my siblings, and they always get better scores (my younger sister scored higher on English English Examination than I did, and we both took same test). And my whole family looks down on me like some retard.
Do you know how i feel? That's why it's god damn fucking annoying when people think they are better than someone. Because there are people who do best, but never get the good result.
wow. your whole family? thats really messed up.
people who think they are better are just arrogant. they should have some modesty. -
Date: Thu, Mar 5 2009 03:55:25
Read your first post, here's my 2 cents
I agree with stuff you say, and yeah, the people on youtube are idiots
But some of them have a reason
First, my grandmother and grandfather both lost their homes and had to continuously be on the run from the Japanese.
the people that flame you might have connections that were a. killed, or b. forced to move
And it is pretty hard to forget an event where an army managed to kill more people in one year then in the whole holocaust
the scars just run way too deep
but that isnt the only thing that angers the chinese/koreans, because some japanese act like they did nothing wrong, that the killing of all those people and the forced banishment of so many people was just no big deal.
wtf is up with that?
those people on youtube shouldn't take their anger out on people from japan =/, but people generally think that if you are from that country, you represent them. -
Date: Thu, Mar 5 2009 06:44:24
And to be completely honest, it hasn't been all that long since WWII. People still have grandparents or other relatives who experienced it, so their views are mostly likely going to be against the other countries. In time it will most probably get better, although I don't doubt that it will probably take a while.
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Date: Thu, Mar 5 2009 11:00:47
Yea very true. Hopefully, things will get along in the future...maybe not
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Date: Tue, Mar 10 2009 23:41:53
Im not gonna read the other stuff its too long but one thing I have to say is Republicans and rip off stock people piss me off