UPSB v3 Archive | World Tournament 2009 - Round 2

Zombo

Date: Fri, Feb 20 2009 12:17:45

http://www.alexsimpsononline.com/rounds.html

Spoiler:

DOWNLOAD ALL R2 VIDEOS (.mp4 format) (by Raeik)

Results due March 1st

Matchup Thread

SunLight

Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 14:42:04

QUOTE (thumbskiller (EC) @ Feb 21 2009, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

for all of those who cant wait..!

all videos i found on yt -> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C44991EE22F80464

I think Gisele edited his video, looks like fast forwarding. Is that right ?

Sadistic

Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 17:35:22

mrm...some of the frames do look a little skippy....but its rare that a pro spinner would cheat in that manner...and hes up against S777 anyways, so i wouldn't be worried....

Awesome

Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 17:51:36

Yeah, and both opponents have longer than 25 second videos since they agreed on it, so its not like he speed it up to get it uner the time limit.

But is it really alright for 2 people to decide to change a rule like that. This isn't like a ladder battle between 2 people where the competitors determine the rules, it should be consistent for everyone. I just don't think participants should be allowed to waive rules for their opponents.

Kinda hard to enforce if both people go over though...

Zombo

Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 17:57:03

crash already said if opponents agree it doesnt matter

Awesome

Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 17:57:46

Oh, never mind then

Raeik

Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 20:27:50

sangara

Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 20:29:46

QUOTE (Bammer09 @ Feb 21 2009, 05:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

lol.. what happened to JEB?!?!?

JEB got dominated like I predicted >:] and stuhl's about to end them

thumbskiller (EC)

Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 21:31:55

like the last round

a playlist of all the videos i found on yt yet!

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C4...0464&page=1

btw ->
Harmor say:
I've quit the WT =)

So wcy win automatic!

octan3

Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 22:42:27

why did hamor quit? T_T

Crisis Core

Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 23:41:15

Minwoo -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQez70RoaZI...re=subscription

SJ

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 00:28:50

oh man
another beastly combo from Minwoo

sangara

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 00:37:39

I don't know minwoo always seems sloppy to me

Crisis Core

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 00:47:27

sangara

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 00:51:38

Wow the only video I liked was Stuhl's...

Areso

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 01:25:46

Stuhl put out a good video
Moreover, I also was working hardã€€

However, stuhl ran past the time limit.ï¼ˆ26sec)
I do not permit

sorry not good at english
thanks UPSB members !!

octan3

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 01:31:11

wow nice vids! no fratleym or areso =(

Zombo

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 01:38:08

QUOTE (Areso @ Feb 21 2009, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Stuhl put out a good video

Moreover, I also was working hardã€€

However, stuhl ran past the time limit.ï¼ˆ26sec)
I do not permit

sorry not good at english
thanks UPSB members !!

do you have your own video plz?

Crisis Core

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 01:50:36

QUOTE (Areso @ Feb 22 2009, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

However, stuhl ran past the time limit.ï¼ˆ26sec)
I do not permit

Stuhl said that his clip was between 25-26 second
and i think a half second doesn't matter in my oppinion..

Crisis...

Sadistic

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 02:34:28

QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 21 2009, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

crash already said if opponents agree it doesnt matter

well what if your opponent does go over? either you allow them to break the rules or you sound like an asshole by telling the judges that they should not count the last 5 seconds

Mystic

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 02:40:53

Areso, you are a wuss and i have no respect for you. Its only half a second over and youre gonna try to get him disqualified. Thats not the way you wanna be known if you win the WT. If it was like 3-5 seconds, i can understand. You cant speak anyway, you dont even have a vid. youll be disqualified before stuhl.

A-NeW

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 02:57:35

gisele's video does seem a little speed-up....well, if it isn't, then cgtz to him o/

areso trying to disqualify stuhl......dude, i know you want to be strict with the rules, but seriously, its 0.5 seconds, a little over the top don't you think ?

fratleym's video is missing =O

Glamouraz

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 02:58:14

Wait, so now swespin doesn't have a competitor?

And when will the results be out?

Anemia

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 03:07:25

If Hamor quit then I don't think wcy's video should have been released...

Zombo

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 03:12:39

QUOTE (Anemia @ Feb 21 2009, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If Hamor quit then I don't think wcy's video should have been released...

yes it should, otherwise it's not fair.

regardless of whether or not your opponent has submitted a video, you yourself must submit a video.

furthermore, you should not be aware that your opponent has quit before you submit your video.

otherwise you will have unfair advantage in later rounds because you will have saved up materials you would have otherwise used this round, like other spinners had to.

i.suk.at.everything

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 03:14:38

the winner of areso vs stuhl will probably be beaten in round 3 O__O'

damn why doesn't fratleym have a vid?...i was looking forward to it

THPSC seems like they might go through 3/3 again

liked s777's, wcy's and eriror's round 1 videos more than their round 2 ones. probably holding back...

Sadistic

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 03:41:58

QUOTE (Mystic @ Feb 21 2009, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Areso, you are a wuss and i have no respect for you. Its only half a second over and youre gonna try to get him disqualified. Thats not the way you wanna be known if you win the WT. If it was like 3-5 seconds, i can understand. You cant speak anyway, you dont even have a vid. youll be disqualified before stuhl.

QUOTE (Sadistic @ Feb 21 2009, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

well what if your opponent does go over? either you allow them to break the rules or you sound like an asshole by telling the judges that they should not count the last 5 seconds

this is exactly what I mean! Its total bullshit to ask the players to decide the fate of their opponent, simply get rid of the time limit all together if your going to use this horrible method...

Mystic

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 03:47:32

Exactly, a time limit is useless. These are pros, they know that 30+ combos suck to watch. Let them be, the judging decides who wins, so a time limit doesnt really matter.

Zombo

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 04:02:07

QUOTE (Sadistic @ Feb 21 2009, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

this is exactly what I mean! Its total bullshit to ask the players to decide the fate of their opponent, simply get rid of the time limit all together if your going to use this horrible method...

crash is very strict about the limit so I dont know

you're totally entitled to demand the rule to be enforced if you yourself didn't break any rule IMO

Awesome

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 04:06:23

but he didn't even submit a video himself, Stuhl should be able to enforce that he didn't submit, before Areso says its a 1/2 second over I think, even if Areso submits its late

Yeah I do think the time limit should be completely abandoned, or set really high, or be enforced for all cases, regardless of what the opponent says, so anyone wanting a rule enforce doesn't suffer from a stigma.

Zombo

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 04:25:53

QUOTE (Awesome @ Feb 21 2009, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

but he didn't even submit a video himself, Stuhl should be able to enforce that he didn't submit, before Areso says its a 1/2 second over I think, even if Areso submits its late

Yeah I do think the time limit should be completely abandoned, or set really high, or be enforced for all cases, regardless of what the opponent says, so anyone wanting a rule enforce doesn't suffer from a stigma.

lets not jump to conclusion just yet

maybe crash didnt notice his email or there was some miscommunication somewhere.

and thats why i said "if you didn't break any rules, then you are right in enforcing any rule"

in this case we dont know if areso broke any rule...yet

Awesome

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 04:31:19

It was supposedly up on his skydrive but he removed it, thats what the rumor is apparently,

But yeah lets not jump to conclusions based on rumors. Its not even my place to make a descion on this, so I guess I really should just shut up on the matter.

AwonW

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 04:37:30

QUOTE (Awesome @ Feb 21 2009, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It was supposedly up on his skydrive but he removed it, thats what the rumor is apparently,

But yeah lets not jump to conclusions based on rumors. Its not even my place to make a descion on this, so I guess I really should just shut up on the matter.

Yeah I saw said video before it was taken down and it wasn't over 25 seconds..

Areso

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 06:20:31

Mystic>
ok. It doesn't worry that it is detailed
It was only anxious

However, I submitted video
I do not know this.

Sankaku

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 06:27:15

Yeah if Crash is real strict about the time limit, then Areso can accuse stuhl of his video, even if it is just like 1 second. But in that 1 second, stuhl just finished his finisher. So this time, cut him some slack. Like, I'm totally in for Areso, I'm actually a fan (^^) and I wouldn't mind a vid that's over the limit by that little. If it was like 5 seconds over, then yeah, I'd be screaming at the opponent to be DQ'd. And Mystic, no need to call Areso anything mean. He's just trying to reason with the rules, and maybe if it is a little picky it's his choice to bring up the issue. And I've seen Areso's video, so he does have one, just not submitted yet.

octan3

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 06:37:37

whyd areso remove the vid from skydrive
it would have been alot more convincing if areso was arguing while having a vid in

Raem

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 06:40:30

Ok. Stuhl was too long, Areso was late a little

So wtf. You can't DQ one of them, if BOTH have broken the rules imo.
BTW Areso, beat stuhl please

SJ

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 06:41:30

QUOTE (Areso @ Feb 21 2009, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

However, I submitted video

Areso

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 06:46:57

I have not been late.
I sent January 20

Sadistic

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 06:50:57

QUOTE (Sankaku @ Feb 22 2009, 02:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yeah if Crash is real strict about the time limit, then Areso can accuse stuhl of his video, even if it is just like 1 second. But in that 1 second, stuhl just finished his finisher. So this time, cut him some slack. Like, I'm totally in for Areso, I'm actually a fan (^^) and I wouldn't mind a vid that's over the limit by that little. If it was like 5 seconds over, then yeah, I'd be screaming at the opponent to be DQ'd. And Mystic, no need to call Areso anything mean. He's just trying to reason with the rules, and maybe if it is a little picky it's his choice to bring up the issue. And I've seen Areso's video, so he does have one, just not submitted yet.

If rules are going to be disobeyed, they should not exist.

Sankaku

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 06:52:25

QUOTE (Sadistic @ Feb 21 2009, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If rules are going to be disobeyed, they should not exist.

Or they should be more harshly applied. (grammar?)

Areso

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 06:53:34

I up-loaded oneself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuP2AHo6224

However, I firmly sent it to ORE(JEB manager)

AwonW

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 07:06:27

QUOTE (Areso @ Feb 21 2009, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I have not been late.

I sent January 20

You sent before round 1 was over..?

tomohiro

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 07:10:38

QUOTE (AwonW @ Feb 21 2009, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You sent before round 1 was over..?

i bet it was a typo and cut him some slacks he's not that experienced with english yet sleep(1).gif

Kam

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 11:03:43

Guys, we should all calm down and let the judges solve things between Areso and Stuhl.

We are focusing too much on the rules and forgetting to appreciate both spinners' great videos.

Yes, it would be great if the rules were perfect, but remember that we've only had one world tournament (2007) before, so the rules still needs refining.

That doesn't mean spinners should completely disregard them, but we can certainly have exceptions. That is why we have judges to take care of situations like this.

Anyways, I think both videos were great (along with a number of other videos in this round).

GSkyrunner

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 11:09:34

nahh .... Japanese have different culture and they are very strict with their rules , so yeah but its only 0.5 sec >_<

duh and poor Dongza >< , looks like A-13X is going to own him

Dark Angel-REX

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 11:57:20

Areso did submit his vid...February 20th indeed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuP2AHo6224

so i don't think there is no problem anymore. who cares about the rule? Let's just watch and have fun

kaiman

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 12:47:39

Stuhl over the limit , we should not focus on how many seconds he over , we should think that is he really over the limit or not. It is a rule , we should follow about it and don't say anything not really has a big relationship with it.

Zombo

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 13:06:58

ok only missing fratleym

apparently he got the deadline wrong

xavator18

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 13:29:37

QUOTE (SunLight @ Feb 21 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I think Gisele edited his video, looks like fast forwarding. Is that right ?

To me, it's kinda obvious its fast forwaded...

Rarka

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 13:42:33

QUOTE (xavator18 @ Feb 22 2009, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

To me, it's kinda obvious its fast forwaded...

Think twice before you post something.
Remember gumix and accusing him of fast forwarding his videos? (example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2OtoNx8QD4 )
And I'm sure Gisele's spinning looks faster on real.

Edit: Are the videos out on WT's webpage? I don't see them on any browser.

LittleboyBPSC

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 13:54:11

Rarka you are right, gisele's spinning is very very fast and his video is right!!!
In real it's more impressive too o_O
It's his style and he has done nothing with his vid / His style is really wonderful and amazing

BTW peem, awesome combo =/ will be too much hard for me

Crasher(kura)

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 14:21:34

Hi,
I was admin of jeb.
As a result, Areso has no responsibility for un-submit problem.
It's not his fault.

He surely submitted the video to jeb manager.

In jeb, we take this way:
1 ORE gather all video and make a zip
2 ORE send it to RYO
3 RYO send it to Crash

Areso sent to ORE, and ORE sent to RYO.
But this time, RYO didn't see his mail because of spam.
He delayed submitting the video.

So this problem is RYO's fault, not Areso's fault.
Please stop attacking Areso.

We are sorry for the mistake.
Jeb will change the process of submission, not to repeat this mistake.

And about the rule,we should depend on Crash.

Dark Angel-REX

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 15:28:15

looks like everything is in order now.

Areso's spinning is awesome. i wonder whos gonna go up.

Fratleymãƒ¡FS

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 15:31:33

I am really sorry, I haven't been on penspinning board during the whole week because I started to work really and it really was my first week. So yesterday night, I asked Lindor the deadline and he told me that he think it would be sunday, so I planned to do my video this day.

Anyway I tried my best, but I'm really far from what I expected to do
I hope you'll like it though

Still sorry for the late

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuFy2yZgS00

Zombo

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 15:37:44

cool we got all vids now

start postign your reactions

i open prediction thread => http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=17554

the results are due in 1 week.

Zombo

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 16:47:52

I haved uploaded the videos http://upsb.info/WT09/R2/WT09R2.zip

thx to Raeik

song

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 16:47:59

QUOTE (Raem @ Feb 22 2009, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ok. Stuhl was too long, Areso was late a little

So wtf. You can't DQ one of them, if BOTH have broken the rules imo.
BTW Areso, beat stuhl please

same with me,Areso, beat stuhl please..until now i still dun noe why he can win in Round 1..(no offense)

Zombo

Date: Sun, Feb 22 2009 19:57:07

fyi

wt09 website got updated with the video links

http://www.alexsimpsononline.com/rounds.html

engandresr

Date: Mon, Feb 23 2009 03:41:03

It's not like I'm saying videos aren't amazing. They all kick ass. But I wish Banz was participating once again...

Xero

Date: Mon, Feb 23 2009 04:12:02

I must say, this is by far the most boring round of pen spinning I have ever seen.
Only a handful of spinners were up in the "wow" area, imo.

AoD1

Date: Mon, Feb 23 2009 04:53:27

QUOTE (Xero @ Feb 22 2009, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I must say, this is by far the most boring round of pen spinning I have ever seen.
Only a handful of spinners were up in the "wow" area, imo.

i think alot of them where up there like minwoo, eriror,vic,supawit spinnerpeem and so on and so forth!

Zombo

Date: Mon, Feb 23 2009 14:41:40

Ok official response:

Crash says the rule should be read as "within the 25th second".

which means, the duration can be on 25th second itself.

I have measured Stuhl's combo as 25.92s, which is within the 25th second.

The video is allowed.

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Results are due March 1st.

Heva

Date: Mon, Feb 23 2009 14:58:56

QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 23 2009, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ok official response:

Crash says the rule should be read as "within the 25th second".

which means, the duration can be on 25th second itself.

I have measured Stuhl's combo as 25.92s, which is within the 25th second.

The video is allowed.

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Results are due March 1st.

nice...you even take time to measure...
i guess that should shut the argument?

Areso

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 03:38:56

QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 23 2009, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ok official response:

Crash says the rule should be read as "within the 25th second".

which means, the duration can be on 25th second itself.

I have measured Stuhl's combo as 25.92s, which is within the 25th second.

The video is allowed.

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Results are due March 1st.

okã€€I understood.

I thought that 25 seconds were 24.9999... second.
I protested based on it.
However, my opinion was wrong in this answer.

I'm sorry for stuhl,GPC, UPSB,and all member.
Please forgive my delinquency..

Escorpio123

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 05:10:53

As long as Eriror doesnt lose, it is cool, now that some in the SB were doubting!

Zombo

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 05:49:04

My analysis on Round 2.

Some people said round 2 had better videos than round 1, others say the opposite. Personally I think that the overall quality of videos have gone up considerably from round 1, but some key players have held back this turn and produced inferior videos. However, there are a lot more tight matches this time around, so predicting the results will be more difficult.

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Crew (KPSA) vs Minwoo (GPC): Pretty sweet battle. The strength of Crew's video is the opening statement composed of continuous ringaround releases, but it tapers off quickly. The sequence leading to the left hand transition has nothing to write home about. I don't understand the move at :09 on the left hand, seems to me like excessive stylization to get to the two-handed sequence and I don't think it looks particularly good. The turn idea is not super difficult nor is it very original, but I like the fact that the pen rotates in a fixed position, I think that's a great effect. The rest of the combo is not much, the ending is novel but not so difficult. Minwoo's combo is impressive. Difficulty-wise it's way up there with all the spin transfers and the big moves (my favourites are the opening sequence and the slide at :13). What I'm bit concerned with Minwoo is that this video, like the one for R1, has some very noticeable execution flaws, whether it be breaks in smoothness or incomplete rotations. There are an unusual number of errors compared to what others have shown. For now, I think the difficulty makes up for it but later on it will definitely be not tolerable against opponents of high-caliber. -> Minwoo

wcy (HKPSA) vs Hamor (Swespin): I give 100% chance for wcy to win this... lol. Seriously, he made a good video, even contains a quote of Hunlanlin. The only thing I'm not sure is the hand gesture at :11. It doesn't seem to do anything at all, because the pen still rotating in the same direction, I'm not sure the left hand is even touching the pen. Oh, and the ending is a bit messy too. -> wcy

s777 (FPSB) vs Gisele8 (BPSC): I think that s777 didn't produce a video better than the last round. He didn't pull off any "ace" except maybe the opening ringbaks, which do look very good. The rest is a very tricky, technical combo with lots of intricate linkage and of course those crazy twisting fingers. Another highlight I want to mention is the slowdown at :22, which is absolutely brilliant and looks marvelous. It feels like hitting a bump. The ending leaves much to be desired however, the pen clearly not in control. To be honest, I didn't really like Gisele08's video. I know that his style is to be really fast but I think it doesn't really work well. The overall impression when I see his video is someone trying to rush things and it's just looks really chaotic. I think it's a combination of the jerkiness of the hand movements, excessive speed and poor selection of tricks with too many rotation changes. I think a good example of a fast spinner that looks good is Dongza, so high speed can definitely be done. So I would dock off points for effectiveness here. Putting slow sequences was a great idea to mix up the pace, but I didn't really like at :13, I didn't feel like it was going anywhere. The one at :19 is awesome though. The other thing I didn't like is that the video is really long and repetitive, I don't think it needed to be that long... -> s777, I hope that he was really holding back this round in order to pull off a great video for later matches.

Rarka (PPP) vs ChauTran (UPSB): This is a tight battle. First of all, I don't know what's wrong with Rarka's camera but the trail on the pen looks horrible and as a result it does not make me want to watch his video repeatedly. I also think that this video is not as good as the first one. It shows less interesting elements. Nevertheless, I think the ending is pretty good, especially the transition palm-down/palm-up at :17, that's just nice. Even then I think the ending could be done better at :18, instead of re-pushing, it really should have been carrying the momentum from the previous trick to complete the combo. ChauTran's combo this round is much better than the last I think. One thing I didn't like is the angle, I think it should be more zoomed out because the pen goes out of screen sometimes. Also there's a tipped sequence at :09 that doesn't look so good from that angle IMO, should have used something else. Other than that, it's just a very flowing combo with lots and lots of rotations. Not much variety, but I think it's enough to win. -> ChauTran

Tonnam (Thaispinner) vs Taeryong (KPSA): Tonnam should learn to cut his video properly because he left a little of a failed attempt at the beginning of the video. The opening sequence has some kind of air release into a basketball spin, which is pretty cool. It's shame the spin is not very well controlled though. The ending sequence starting at :11 with the transition all the way to the big palm spin at :15 is worth noting and well executed. Taeryong's combo is a bit too old-fashioned I think. It got him through the first round, but I don't think it will be enough to keep him from reaching the late rounds. It's just too simple, too standard. It is well executed but I don't think it's enough anymore. Linkages are fairly simple too. This combo emphasizes a lot of smoothness, but it won't score big in other categories I think. -> Tonnam

Gollumsk8 (FPSB) vs KTH (KPSA): Excellent battle. gollumsk8's combo is very well built and every trick just naturally leads one to another. I really like the opening sequence very nifty, and the sequence from :18 to the end is very nice too. It's a shame there are a few mistakes, like at :13 and he seems struggling to find balance for a few seconds after that. The very last trick is not so good either. KTH's main flaw in this video IMO is the terrible angle. His combo is like off-screen half the time, it's very annoying. I think the video got a little bit of everything: big moves and crafty linkages. However, the off-screen issue is a big turn-off to me... -> Gollumsk8, I think it will be a matter of whether or not judges care about the off-screen stuff, and how bad they evaluate gollumsk8's errors.

Spinnerpeem (Thaispinner) vs Littleboy (BPSC): After that strong finish in R1, it was hard for peem to show he could do even better so soon. So I think it was a good decision of him to show something else: that he can pulling sick moves in the middle of combos too! The spread 2233 (or whatever it's called) is monstruous and it's followed by a "mini" version of his R1 ending. The tricks in-between are not too shabby either, so I think this combo is more balanced than last time. As for Littleboy, you got to give him credits for his valiant effort. He really worked hard to make a combo that surpassed my expectations. The continuous ringarounds :08 look really good because they look so fast. Now what I didn't like is the transition to the stall at :12. I mean, it's just like pressing the pen rudely against the other hand. Could have thought of a better transition there. I think the magic trick was OK (although like I said, it wasn't well prepared). You can also see the pen partially before the hand is lifted up at :15, which is too bad because you want the pen to "pop" out all at once. The hand waving at :20 is a nice effect, and I like the X ending, but again not perfect because the pen is still visible. So I think Littleboy tried hard to include original elements in his combo but I don't think it's enough to beat Peem. -> Spinnerpeem

Answer (Pserhome) vs Voltaic (BPSC): Answer didn't pull anything too fancy and he didn't need to. This is not as good a video as for the first round and doesn't include any real highlight but is still a very well built combo, without fault. Voltaic's angle should be zoomed out I think. Voltaic's combo was not particularly outstanding and the ending (FL TA) was pretty simple... I think Answer wants to rely on natural talent alone to win this one, and he probably will with a more difficult combo than Voltaic. -> Answer

Eriror (UPSB) vs Vicgotgame (UPSB): I think this battle is closer than what Eriror wanted it to be. I think Eriror's potential is greater than vicgotgame and that vic's video caught Eriror by surprise. I think that Eriror's video is pretty good. The opening sequence until :07 is very mean and "in-your-face", I like it. It's really a combo that relies on big rotations. What I don't like so much is the hand position, the space on the screen is not used very well, especially for the first few seconds. The other thing to notice is the bad rotation at :17. IMO, the pen should keep rotating while the two hands close together, this is actually a pretty big mistake. I didn't really like the ending either, very anti-climatic. I'm not entirely sure the pass in :10 is really smooth either. Vic's opening sequence is very very strong, I really like trick that looks like a tipped charge with 4 fingers combined with infinity style of rotation, the effect is awesome. I would say that until :14, the combo displays some very good linkages but then the tipped minicombo and the arounds feel a little weak. The ending is very interesting. Who will win this battle? tough to say. I think Eriror has better difficulty, but vicgotgame has the better tricks. This battle will depend whether the judges like Eriror's ending or not (I didn't) -> Eriror will win...maybe?

TWIM (FPSB) vs Fratleym (FPSB): This battle didn't have much interest for me for some reason. I really like Fratleym's combo, which is incomprehensible as always (in a good way). It is much smoother than the original, although it still has some flaws, :12 and at :16 the turn is too slow. TWIM's combo was alright, but I didn't like it that much. It has some interesting linkages and tricks but I didn't connect with it. I also consider :14 as a major mistake. I like Fratleym on this one, but I can easily see the judges awarding TWIM the win if they prefer his technique. -> TWIM, I like Fratleym though.

Cienki (PPP) vs ssEno (Pserhome): Cienki makes a sweet video with great stuff like the magical palmspin at :06, but also some not-so-great stuff like the ineffective aerial at :05 or the poor ending. Some of the linkage is great, like the sequence :05-:10. ssEno has finally woken up this round after being saved by divine intervention and somehow survived the first round... this time his combo has great tricks, great smoothness, great pace, great linkages. I really like sequence :19-:22. ssEno wins this. -> ssEno

Caras (KPSA) vs Katix (BPSC): Caras pulls off a jaw-dropping performance. He's definitely my favourite korean. When you can do :16-:18 with ease and elegance like him, there's nothing much you can do against him. Katix's combo is pretty interesting too. I like the sequence :05-:09 a lot, but not so much the :11-:15, it doesn't look very good to me. IMO, Caras is just too good to handle this round. -> Caras

Areso (JEB) vs Stuhl (GPC): Areso pulled off a couple of sweet Ayatorish moves, but his smoothness is terrible, whether it be hesitations or incomplete rotations. Stuhl on the other hand is creative and executes well. I love the triangle pass resting on the index finger. The camera angle gives a nice floating effect on the aerials. I think Stuhl is superior in all categories in this match. -> Stuhl

BaoO (TWPS) vs Supawit127 (Thaispinner): Tough battle. BaoO did an almost perfect combo (mistake at :02), with lots of rotations and difficult tricks. Unfortunately, Supawit127 just about one-upped him in about every aspect: the bust ending is better, the aerials are better, there's no mistake... The similarities of both combos make it easy to compare them and makes it clear that supawit has the upper hand, which is too bad for BaoO. -> Supawit127

Skonix (FPSB) vs Mist (HKPSA): Hmm, I think this is probably the lone "low-profile" battle of the round. Skonix has some nice looking tricks, but I don't like the mistakes at :08 and :15 (minor, but it doesn't look like a confident grab). I think Mist's combo has a bit more flair and is more interesting to watch. However, that camera angle is horrible and needs to be moved away. If judges don't mind the bad filming, Mist should win this. -> Mist

A13X (FPSB) vs Dongza (Thaispinner): Ok, now THIS is THE battle of the second round. This battle alone is enough to make this second round worth watching. A13X's video is just splendid and is without a doubt my favourite for this round. The combo just looks gorgeous. The direction change at :07 is fantastic, it cannot get any better than that, or what about the sequence leading to the aerial at :10. Great great great stuff. But the main piece is the lovely aerial interception to finish the combo. However, it's not a perfect combo, there are some place where I wish the rotation could go a bit quicker, like :04, :18 or the catch at :10, but overall, it's very well done. Now, Dongza's video deserve its fair share of praise as well. This guy really knows how to use his speed effectively to enhance the apparent difficulty of his combo and can make nice linkages (just look at the opening sequence), although those intricacies can go unnoticed since they go by so fast. The big picture however is very impressive, as Dongza knows better than anyone how to make a power combo. In all of round 2, the one upset that is the most likely has to be this one. -> A13X FTW.

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I hope others share their opinion too!

Eric

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 05:55:19

ahh, so that was a spread from spinnerpeem... I was wondering what that was lol. That's gotta be the smoothest spread I've ever seen.

octan3

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 06:08:03

wow zombo that was really different from what i had.. im sure to get like 0 points

Zombo

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 06:20:15

QUOTE (octan3 @ Feb 24 2009, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

wow zombo that was really different from what i had.. im sure to get like 0 points

???

im reading your predictions and you only differ in 4 matches from me

Charlie

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 06:45:39

Your predictions made me rewatch all the vids again. It was nice just to notice the things I didn't. Thanks. It was nice.

I'd have to agree with you for most of them. I prefer vic over eri. Vic's opening trick was great (I remember him showing it to me during a gathering and claiming he'd use it in the WT. And he finally did). Sure eri's was more difficult (the cont baks looked nice), but I like Vic's creativity and style much more. But as a spinner, I rank creativity higher than difficulty, so I suppose that sway's my decision.

I also liked skonix's vid. I really think it's one of his best vids. I'm kinda 50/50 for skonix vs mist. I'm also 50/50 for Rarka vs Chautran. I felt both of them could have done better.

octan3

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 07:08:17

QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 23 2009, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

???

im reading your predictions and you only differ in 4 matches from me

really? thought i had alot of differences
well, 4 differences is actually quite alot in this round

GSkyrunner

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 11:10:23

QUOTE (Crasher(kura) @ Feb 22 2009, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

RYO didn't see his mail because of spam.

aww my poor RYO T-T

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IMO Taeryong's combo doesn't look old-fashioned at all , except the bakfall that probably ruined it

and I agreed that he will not make it to the next rounds if he got only these stuffs , Tonnam's style is really nice as usual and he just getting more and more creative =)

This is really golden year for AI3X it was Meteor and now Dongza gonna get owned ?? , it was REALLY impressive combo also the style and aerial was almost perfect !! great one

aww Dongza

, Thaispinner still got 3 more to go anyway hehe ....

Erirornal Kraione

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 14:31:46

QUOTE (Charlie @ Feb 24 2009, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'd have to agree with you for most of them. I prefer vic over eri. Vic's opening trick was great (I remember him showing it to me during a gathering and claiming he'd use it in the WT. And he finally did). Sure eri's was more difficult (the cont baks looked nice), but I like Vic's creativity and style much more. But as a spinner, I rank creativity higher than difficulty, so I suppose that sway's my decision.

What Cont Backs? I didn't use any Backaround more than once.

And yeah.. His style is better and more appealing to most, but I believe that style is not important at all in a battle video. However, I indeed believe Vic's tricks are better, but only from 0:00-0:08 and 0:16-ending. The intermediate part felt a bit too weak to me, but I understand that such linkages are appealing. I believe the rest might be enough to take the win, though.

Xero

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 14:45:12

Style means nothing judging wise.

Zombo

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 15:03:55

QUOTE (Xero @ Feb 24 2009, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Style means nothing judging wise.

effectiveness incorporates style to some extent.

KL-7

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 18:58:59

After first watching I was upset 'cos 1st seemed to be much more better... But after reading Zombo's analysis and rewatching vids I can say that second round is very good too =)

As usual (imo) great combos from Spennerpeem and ChauTran (really smooth and beautiful) =)
Not such awesome as in 1st round but nevertheless very good combo from Answer... I havent seen his vids before WT but now I'm really his fan =) His style is wonderful...
Really nice vid from Supawit127... His is really crazy lately =) High speed, lot of rotations and aerial busts... He was very good in 1st round and in 2nd too =)

Not awesome but very very good combos from Vic and s777... Hope they'll do better combos in 3rd round (I hope they'll pass it )

QUOTE

I can easily see the judges awarding TWIM the win if they prefer his technique.

It'll be very good =) I respect Fratleym 'cos he is real master, but I dont like his style... And I fond of Twim's style =) really wondering what will be in the result of this battle

And now... A13x.. imo his 9month solo was awesome... but then he changed cam angel, pens and style (may be I'm wrong =)) and I was upset 'cos I didnt like "new" A13x... after 1st round I wasnt able to understand why Meteor lost whit such a good style and combo...
But now I think A13x has totally justified results of the 1st round =) His combo really ideal... =)
Good luck... I'm your fan again =)

PS
status:
waitnig for 2nd round results and 3rd round vids

training a lot to prepare for WT10... lol...

arthurrhodes

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 19:15:24

QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 24 2009, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

My analysis on Round 2.
Cienki (PPP) vs ssEno (Pserhome): Cienki makes a sweet video with great stuff like the magical palmspin at :06, but also some not-so-great stuff like the ineffective aerial at :05 or the poor ending. Some of the linkage is great, like the sequence :05-:10. ssEno has finally woken up this round after being saved by divine intervention and somehow survived the first round... this time his combo has great tricks, great smoothness, great pace, great linkages. I really like sequence :19-:22. ssEno wins this. -> ssEno

although ssEno had a smooth combo i thought he spammed the tipped charge and flta alittle too much. i would have voted cienki to win this one.

AoD1

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 21:05:05

sorry but vicgotgames got this battle!

Charlie

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 21:21:19

QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ Feb 24 2009, 06:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What Cont Backs? I didn't use any Backaround more than once.

And yeah.. His style is better and more appealing to most, but I believe that style is not important at all in a battle video. However, I indeed believe Vic's tricks are better, but only from 0:00-0:08 and 0:16-ending. The intermediate part felt a bit too weak to me, but I understand that such linkages are appealing. I believe the rest might be enough to take the win, though.

When I said cont baks, I meant it as if I was saying cont arounds. They can be any type of baks (midbaks, pinkybakets) -- w/e. You get my drift.

@Xero
BS. Style is definitely important. If you don't look good, then you're no good.

Okay, I exaggerated a bit with that, but once again, you get my drift.

Erirornal Kraione

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 21:34:00

But at this level of spinning, style is purely opinion. You can't really have a style that no one likes and still be in the World Tournament. I believe most people who are not judging are basing their analysis mostly on their style preference. Which is kinda lame, but understandable in a way, I guess.

Santa

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 21:46:19

supawit is doing really well this WT..

A13X's ending was gold

Charlie

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 21:47:20

QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ Feb 24 2009, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

But at this level of spinning, style is purely opinion. You can't really have a style that no one likes and still be in the World Tournament. I believe most people who are not judging are basing their analysis mostly on their style preference. Which is kinda lame, but understandable in a way, I guess.

Oh of course I don't judge it purely on style. What kind of spinner do you think I am? I appreciate creativity above all else. One of the reasons why minwoo has remained my favorite spinner for so long. Gotta love the amazing things he pulls off.

Well, I did like your ending eri, it was interesting and creative (which took me for surprise actually. i didn't expect it from you. no offense), but the execution -- I felt -- could have been better. It was a bit too...anticlimactic. Execution, I think, is a part of style and is indeed important. An example is in a13x's vid, where he does that aerial (a fl ta release maybe?) that abruptly changes the direction of the pen was executed fantastically. Very stylistic and beautiful. a13x is definitely becoming one of my favorite spinners.

Zombo

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 21:58:52

On FPSB, we're discussing a recurring theme for this round, the usage of 2 handed "rotationless" moves and two handed (sometimes cross-armed) aerials/catches, such as performed by Crew, Gisele8, Littleboy, Eriror, vicgotgame, Katix, Stuhl

what do you guys think about them

arthurrhodes

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 22:04:05

QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 24 2009, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

On FPSB, we're discussing a recurring theme for this round, the usage of 2 handed "rotationless" moves and two handed (sometimes cross-armed) aerials/catches, such as performed by Crew, Gisele8, Littleboy, Eriror, vicgotgame, Katix, Stuhl

what do you guys think about them

i know that stuhl isnt the best spinner but he is one of my favorites. i love the "rotationless" moves

Charlie

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 22:04:24

QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 24 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

On FPSB, we're discussing a recurring theme for this round, the usage of 2 handed "rotationless" moves and two handed (sometimes cross-armed) aerials/catches, such as performed by Crew, Gisele8, Littleboy, Eriror, vicgotgame, Katix, Stuhl

what do you guys think about them

I like how people are employing more two-handed tricks. I really think there are much more two-handed tricks left to be discovered.

My favorite has to be stuhl's triangle pass and 12ve's finisher.

Awesome

Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 22:44:28

QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 24 2009, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

On FPSB, we're discussing a recurring theme for this round, the usage of 2 handed "rotationless" moves and two handed (sometimes cross-armed) aerials/catches, such as performed by Crew, Gisele8, Littleboy, Eriror, vicgotgame, Katix, Stuhl

what do you guys think about them

I think that its just a relatively unexplored area, so people are using them to get points in creativity more then anything else.

That said I am enjoying them, they usually are interesting and help break up any monotonicity the combos may have. My only concern is that they might grow stale if the current trend continues. We probably are going to see a lot more of it in future rounds, and if every combo uses them, then they just become any other trick. In a way I guess its kinda raising the bar for PS though.

SJ

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 08:11:43

the WT09 R2 vids of KTH and Caras are dead for some reason

Outsmash

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 08:40:30

Somehow the people who were like in the top 5 in WT07 are not so good now

Dark Angel-REX

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 09:21:01

I don't want to bring this up, but since it was very controversial in other places, I must say.

BEFORE YOU READ ANYTHING, I AM NOT DEFENDING ARESO NOR STUHL. I am just stating what I saw.

I wanted to know if Stuhl's spinning was really <26 secs, so I downloaded vid and used Windows Movie Maker's to see how long it was, but it was "26.27 secs" no matter how much i cut the movie as accurate as possible (I first thought it was 26.86 secs, but I cut the vid at where Stuhl catched the pen). In fact, it is well over 25.999... seconds.

I don't want you guys to misunderstand me. I am well aware of the fact that the videos are videos, and Crash have already approved that the vid is okay, and I am also well aware that the judges won't even think about bothering with my comments. I am merely stating what I believe.

Overall, I think Areso and Stuhl did quite good. Areso had some smoothness problem at one point, but it was indeed very interesting style to watch, and was pretty cool and creative. That goes same for Stuhl. His combo was pretty cool.
I think Stuhl's combo was better in my opinion, NO OFFENSE TO Areso whatsoever.

Don't flame my comments. I know all of you gonna say "well it's only .27 seconds".

Outsmash

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 10:10:52

QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Feb 25 2009, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't want to bring this up, but since it was very controversial in other places, I must say.

BEFORE YOU READ ANYTHING, I AM NOT DEFENDING ARESO NOR STUHL. I am just stating what I saw.

I wanted to know if Stuhl's spinning was really <26 secs, so I downloaded vid and used Windows Movie Maker's to see how long it was, but it was "26.27 secs" no matter how much i cut the movie as accurate as possible (I first thought it was 26.86 secs, but I cut the vid at where Stuhl catched the pen). In fact, it is well over 25.999... seconds.

I don't want you guys to misunderstand me. I am well aware of the fact that the videos are videos, and Crash have already approved that the vid is okay, and I am also well aware that the judges won't even think about bothering with my comments. I am merely stating what I believe.

Overall, I think Areso and Stuhl did quite good. Areso had some smoothness problem at one point, but it was indeed very interesting style to watch, and was pretty cool and creative. That goes same for Stuhl. His combo was pretty cool.
I think Stuhl's combo was better in my opinion, NO OFFENSE TO Areso whatsoever.

Don't flame my comments. I know all of you gonna say "well it's only .27 seconds".

Now it's upto Areso and CrAsH. I don't think the videos should be taken out but rules should be strict and apply only till 25.999.. seconds. This can happen from next round though but for this we need more than one person saying it's above 25.999999.

Stuhl

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 13:51:36

my catch (when my fingers come in contact with the pen) is beneath 26 secs (at about that what Zombo said)... but very very close to, yes.

@ Dark Angel-REX:

you got the time with the last rotations of the pen. but these rotations are not affected by me.
my last active part is under 26 secs. that's the fact. i didn't do any action after 26 secs.

i really hope that the video won't be disqualified...
areso did a very good work! would be very sad if he did it for nothing

so let it be an interesting battle!

interesting round 2
i'm curious about the results!

stuhl

Thewave

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 14:25:01

Clinging onto little details such as combo length is insignificant, if it were a large gap between request length and actual length- I would've said something, but it isn't. So why do you have to battle this over and over with no gain to try and disqualify someone in what is supposed to be a "fun tournament"?
I haven't watched all the combo's so I'll give my opinion later.
But about what Zombo said about the new area of 2 handed "rotationless" moves and two handed (sometimes cross-armed) aerials/catches- I believe it's a very good idea to explore new aspects of PS'ing as it has become difficult to expand the trick base on just one hand. I do like some of them, but some did not suit well in their combo's so I cannot claim I do not like them at all nor like them as a whole. I hope this area will keep expanding like the aerial trick base that was unexplored during WT07.

Zombo

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 14:56:02

QUOTE (SJ @ Feb 25 2009, 03:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

the WT09 R2 vids of KTH and Caras are dead for some reason

no its youtube that suckls

QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Feb 25 2009, 04:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't want to bring this up, but since it was very controversial in other places, I must say.
etc.

no

the combo starts at 0.040s, ends at 25.960s

very clear to me.

maybe movie maker is not precise enough. you need to go frame by frame. using a program like Avidemux GTK+

QUOTE

I do like some of them, but some did not suit well in their combo's so I cannot claim I do not like them at all nor like them as a whole.

this exactly my opinion, as detilaed in my analysis

Crisis Core

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 17:05:41

I went frame by frame with Sony Vegas and he catched the bust at 25,29 sec
its in the time limit so stop saying his clip is to long
the catch is the end of the combo!

Crisis

Zombo

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 17:15:10

QUOTE (Crisis Core @ Feb 25 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I went frame by frame with Sony Vegas and he catched the bust at 25,29 sec
its in the time limit so stop saying his clip is to long
the catch is the end of the combo!

Crisis

i find that hard to believe.

at 25.29s on the video, he has just started the release. (frame 632/739)

end of combo is frame 648 or 649.
combo starts at frame 1

unless you mean 25.92, then its correct.

Crisis Core

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 17:44:01

ohh didn't saw that I mean 25,92 sorry
my mistake -.-
at 25,92 the combo ends...

but now we have to wait for the results

thumbskiller (EC)

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 20:25:07

someone should upload a video which is exactly cutted! that would be nice

Dark Angel-REX

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 20:39:26

QUOTE (Thewave @ Feb 25 2009, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Clinging onto little details such as combo length is insignificant, if it were a large gap between request length and actual length- I would've said something, but it isn't. So why do you have to battle this over and over with no gain to try and disqualify someone in what is supposed to be a "fun tournament"?
I haven't watched all the combo's so I'll give my opinion later.
But about what Zombo said about the new area of 2 handed "rotationless" moves and two handed (sometimes cross-armed) aerials/catches- I believe it's a very good idea to explore new aspects of PS'ing as it has become difficult to expand the trick base on just one hand. I do like some of them, but some did not suit well in their combo's so I cannot claim I do not like them at all nor like them as a whole. I hope this area will keep expanding like the aerial trick base that was unexplored during WT07.

I'm not trying to disqualify people. Didn't i state this in my post? I'm not defending either side. I am completely neutral.

And can't you think more realistically instead of just defending one person? I usually never think non-objectively, but think about Areso instead of just Stuhl.
Most JEB member thinks Stuhl's combo was over 26 seconds, and says a lot of stuff about how the people of this forum justifies or twist the fact by saying it was under 26 seconds, or because it's only a small gap. Japanese tend to be very strict with things, and of course Japanese would want to defend Areso because he's the only JEB member left that's in the tournament.
However, what I believe is that most people aren't trying to disqualify him, but trying to tell people that it is not fair if everyone followed the rules completely, and there's one guy that doesnt, forcing people from JEB to close one of their eyes on him. I don't think Areso wanted to disqualify him, but he's probably not happy because he followed the rules strictly, done nothing wrong at all, and yet his opponent's mistake is justified or bent. He thinks that there is no point of having a rule if they are broken even a bit, and just becomes accepted.
What if Areso lose? Wouldn't that make him even more mad? Wouldn't it suck if you lose because the other side "cheated"? Is this what you call "Fun Tournament"? I don't think so.

I think this is how Japanese are feeling.

And about the time, as Zombo said, i used that Avidemux (FREEWARE WOOT!). the combo starts at 00:040, and ends at 26:040 if you are not counting where the last trick finishes rotating. though I'm neutral with this. so the vid is 26 seconds just.

Remember, I barely care about the tournament results TBH. I don't really care if Areso wins or Stuhl wins. But I must say what people of JEB thinks. And I have to explain why Areso is not satisfied.

Zombo

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 20:42:51

QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Feb 25 2009, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And about the time, as Zombo said, i used that Avidemux (FREEWARE WOOT!). the combo starts at 00:040, and ends at 26:040 if you are not counting where the last trick finishes rotating. though I'm neutral with this. so the vid is 26 seconds just.

the movement after the catch is not part combo.

the combo ends at 25.920s or 25.960s. This is because this is the first frame you can cut the combo at, while capturing the whole combo.

Crisis Core

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 22:01:12

like thumbskiller asked i cutted the video
i cuted where the combo starts at 00:040
and where it ends an Sony Vegas showed
that the Combo is !25,92 sec! long, i cutted when
he catch the bust

btw youtube is not exactly!
i hope it will help
and i will delet the video when the results ar out...
Crisis

Edit: sorry not my day today-.-

Zombo

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 22:23:45

youtube often cuts the end

this video proves nothing...

btw video is 25.92s, not sure why you keep saying 25.29s

SJ

Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 23:23:07

guys, seriously? isnt it already final?
i find that clinging to some less than a second problem is very minor
i mean... are you really gonna disqualify stuhl for that?
rules are rules indeed. but shouldnt there be some flexibility here
and also, i know this came up before and theres a thread about it too but
time limit just seems pointless since they know that long combos are boring
and they certainly arent going to turn in videos that are like 5 seconds long

Sansaki

Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 01:13:52

dongza's should of been better but whatever

12ve

Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 12:15:07

um..there are many people talking about the times
i prefer the atmosphere of R1,,LOL

Stuhl

Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 12:59:11

...
if i had known this before, i would have filmed the combo again to provide this discussion...

because i thought there would never be a problem with these 0.xx seconds...

>.<

Dark Angel-REX

Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 13:50:46

It's okay man. I have nothing against you.

I'm just saying what people of JEB might be thinking. You know. I'm only a third person here.

Stuhl

Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 14:23:34

it's ok dark angel...

but it makes me sad, that people are thinking like this...

Dark Angel-REX

Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 14:51:14

really?

I can't deny it. Majority wants to win, the same way you want to win. There are always people who would want to disqualify people, or say the most tiniest broken rule.
You say 0.xx second is nothing, but if you think about it, all the contestants are following the rules strictly, and it's probably bothering for some people seeing this. I'm neutral on the actual time of your spinning though.
Areso isn't happy because he think you broke the rule, and even a tiny little mistake is a big thing to him. THink about it. The results might change A LOT between being disqualified or not.

I completely understand your view Stuhl. You want to win this round. But you should also think about Areso. He wants to win this round too (especially when he's the only JEB left).

You can't really say you are sad for seeing this topic about rules and if it's <26 or not. Even though it's a fun tournament, some people take it seriously, and might desperately want the position as first place. And you can't deny that because it's up to them if they want to take it seriously or not.

Stuhl

Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 15:35:50

okok
yeah, maybe you are right.
lets see =)

some of my posts are just a bit too fast =) i should think before writing....

IAmTheMrGuy

Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 20:31:50

QUOTE (Stuhl @ Feb 26 2009, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

okok
yeah, maybe you are right.
lets see =)

some of my posts are just a bit too fast =) i should think before writing....

It was a good example for rules clarification anyways. Your video was my favorite one this round, very creative

Gorgos

Date: Sun, Mar 1 2009 02:30:51

results pls ... i cant wait

Logic

Date: Sun, Mar 1 2009 03:17:29

QUOTE (Gorgos @ Feb 28 2009, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

results pls ... i cant wait

Haha, just wait like a day. THats all you have to wait!

Joshy

Date: Mon, Mar 2 2009 09:37:14

OMG KTH lost

Ogarathe

Date: Mon, Mar 2 2009 10:28:22

There we go, discussion ended. Stuhl won. =)

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