UPSB v3
Advanced Tricks / Spreads
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Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 06:34:54
At first, I assumed spreads were japanese naming for fake doubles, but now I'm getting confused to what they are after seeing it used a couple of times.
What exactly is a spread and how is it done?
After watching peem's R2 vids, I'm questioning what spreads are and I must say, it looks quite nice and something I'd like to add to my trick arsenal (which is already much too large. I'm not good enough at any one trick and know too many
. ah well. i have a thirst for learning.)
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Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 06:38:51
check out the japanese dude's youtube account, he has a thread in solo section of UPSB
a spread is some kind of tap you do with a finger to lift the pen -
Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 06:48:58
Oh. I remember doing things like this while exploring bounce tricks. Hm, how is it notated and such?
I'm also not sure how it's done continously. Sounds pretty hard. Seems like fresh simply taps the pen at the end and keeps the momentum going. That's it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYPTh70j3Io...re=channel_page -
Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 06:58:23
yeah i explored this a while back too when i experimented with bounce tricks. i assume that you just re-bounce it with the right power and accuracy like with other cont. tricks - i was going to try to ask how to notate it and such but never got around to it
unless we can get direct words from people like fire@fox and others i don't know how else to do it...
even so, i would like to know how to notate it too -
Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 07:12:23
i have a non aerial explanation, but i g2g to sleep, ill film tomorrow
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Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 07:51:34
wcy has a spread fall tutorial on his youtube.
peem uses spread fall? very smoothly in one of his collabs, can't remember which one though...
ayatori and kuzu also use it, i think there's some in ayatori's unofficial solo video V1 made by AREZERT.
i've been trying to do spread fall for quite a while, it just gets stuck in part between ring and pinky coz my hand is too slow.
spinnerpeem's spreads in WT round 2 vid look like they go around thumb O__O' so it's a bit different from the ones other spinners do -
Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 07:54:24
sorry to sound noobish but what are spreads?
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Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 13:14:32QUOTE (Soulo @ Feb 24 2009, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>sorry to sound noobish but what are spreads?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer..._type=&aq=f -
Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 14:14:17
It looks like busting but your switching fingers. I have been trying to do this without the "jump" for a while now.
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Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 15:23:40QUOTE (schlynn @ Feb 24 2009, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It looks like busting but your switching fingers. I have been trying to do this without the "jump" for a while now.
Spread = Tap with fingers (palm side). It can be done with an aerial and (I think) w/o an aerial.
A Spread can be done with any finger and any finger combination. eg: 1, 2 ,3 4, 12, 14 ,24, 13, 12, 123, 234, 134, 1234, etc.
An Inverse Spread would probably involve the use of the back side of your fingers.
It is more commonly done with a small aerial.
It can be performed continuously. Spread Fall and Spread Rise can also be performed.
Tips:
While doing the spread, make sure that you do NOT hit the centre: This would make the pen not spin.
When doing a combo, if the trick before the spread involves a counter-clockwise motion, you hit it below the COP. If it's clockwise, then above.
A Counter-Clockwise Spread is normal and a clockwise spread is Reverse.
Eg:
TA > Spread (Uni-Directional)
TA Rev > Spread Reverse (Uni-Directional) -
Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 17:10:11
Spread is a japanese name right (from his naming sistem, I mean).
Is also a name for oun notation? If not, how can we notate it? -
Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 02:22:43
Some of the spreads on youtube are really throwing me off. Some are simply busts. Some are horizontal type spreading and some are side type spreading. No idea what that means. Any pro spreaders wanna help out?
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Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 03:53:55
i always assumed a spread was simply a combination of fingerarounds chained in sequence
spread 12221 would be ta->fl iax3-> fl ta
i believe only the first trick of the spread can be started with a finger push, the remaining moves must be fingerless. -
Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 05:04:16QUOTE (pholord @ Feb 24 2009, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i always assumed a spread was simply a combination of fingerarounds chained in sequence
spread 12221 would be ta->fl iax3-> fl ta
i believe only the first trick of the spread can be started with a finger push, the remaining moves must be fingerless.
no, in the vids I posted. fresh is tapping the pen for the rotations. -
Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 11:49:35
I think both Pholord and Charlie are right.
Except, for Pholord's spread: It should be 'Thumbspin 1.0 xx ~ Fingerless Indexaround 0.5 12 ~> Fingerless Indexaround 1.0 12 ~> Fingerless Indexaround 1.0 12-T12 ~> Fingerless Thumbaround T12'
The '12' part being the equivalent of our Extended Thumbaround since it goes around both the thumb and index (I can't remember which is which. I dislike using the term spread though, since the first part '12' has 1.5 spins while the rest has 1.0 spins). Whether it's fingerless or not doesn't matter.
'スプレッド Spread
Added when a åˆä½“技 hybrid is composed of Normal tricks and/or Gunman tricks with only one rotation.'
^from Aphsamoth's topic: http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=4037&hl=
The same spread (12221) breakdown can also be used for the finger bouncing thing starting with the thumb, index three times, then thumb again.
It must be going in the fingeraround direction, anti-clockwise for right-hand, clockwise for left-hand.
I don't think the number of spins matters when breaking it down, but then it becomes less accurate.... confusing x__x.
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Videos showing the different spreads: (youtube names)
fresh13879
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYPTh70j3Io...re=channel_page (from Charlies post)
and
scissorspenspin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm0u50A1m7s -
Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 20:06:44
JAMIE'S TAKE ON SPREADS:
NAMING:
Japanese notate two different things as spreads: One, an ariel tap trick that has 0.5 rotations, and Two, a fingerless around.
SO, because we already have enough names for the second version (fingerless around, bust, bak rev) we SHOULD NOT add the name spread to this common trick.
For the UPSB's purpose, the term spread should only refer to my first example.
NOTATION:
Thumbaround ~> Spread 1234T = starts with a Thumbaround then the momentum is transferred to the tapping action of the index, then middle, then ring, then pinky finger then the pen hits the back of the thumb and does the second half of a thumbaround (.5 rotations)
The notation of T is odd because it usually doesn't bounce off of it. It usally wraps around, but i think that should end the spread because it CAN bounce off the thumb.
so, i know this is odd, but i would break down spinnerpeems spread fall thing in his WT video, i would notate as:
TA ~> Spread 1T~2T~3T~T4~T
does that make sense?
But the thumb is an odd one in this.... -
Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 21:14:00
IMO a Spread Fall (using the first version of it) would be something as:
(TA Release/Riser) ~ Spread 1 > Spread 2 > Spread 3 > Spread 4 -
Date: Wed, Feb 25 2009 21:46:39QUOTE (Jamie Enns @ Feb 25 2009, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>JAMIE'S TAKE ON SPREADS:
NAMING:
Japanese notate two different things as spreads: One, an ariel tap trick that has 0.5 rotations, and Two, a fingerless around.
SO, because we already have enough names for the second version (fingerless around, bust, bak rev) we SHOULD NOT add the name spread to this common trick.
For the UPSB's purpose, the term spread should only refer to my first example.
NOTATION:
Thumbaround ~> Spread 1234T = starts with a Thumbaround then the momentum is transferred to the tapping action of the index, then middle, then ring, then pinky finger then the pen hits the back of the thumb and does the second half of a thumbaround (.5 rotations)
The notation of T is odd because it usually doesn't bounce off of it. It usally wraps around, but i think that should end the spread because it CAN bounce off the thumb.
so, i know this is odd, but i would break down spinnerpeems spread fall thing in his WT video, i would notate as:
TA ~> Spread 1T~2T~3T~T4~T
does that make sense?
But the thumb is an odd one in this....
I think I get it. Vids with slow-mos would be great. I haven't seen any spreaders on upsb though. :\
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Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 00:30:10
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Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 02:31:24
OMFG!!!!! This is EXACTLY the trick Ive wanted to do since I started penspinning!!!!!! I never saw it before until very recently, but I've wanted to learn it. Now I know. Time to practice!
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Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 03:13:49
s777 does a pinky spread reverse thing in the combo, shows what spreads look like in reverse -
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 05:24:02
That was really nice. Thank you jamie. Helped a lot.
And is that your digi cam? Looks great. -
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 03:53:54QUOTE (Charlie @ Feb 25 2009, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That was really nice. Thank you jamie. Helped a lot.
And is that your digi cam? Looks great.
Thanks and yes it is
once some one figure them out (like the knack, lil tips)
wanna make a proper tut? i can't do them for crap, and that was a showcase not a tut
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Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 14:55:45QUOTE (walkingjacket @ Feb 25 2009, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>'スプレッド Spread
Added when a åˆä½“技 hybrid is composed of Normal tricks and/or Gunman tricks with only one rotation.'
^from Aphsamoth's topic: http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=4037&hl=
The same spread (12221) breakdown can also be used for the finger bouncing thing starting with the thumb, index three times, then thumb again.
Thank walkingjacket for referring to my work.
And, I would like to add some information about Japanese system.QUOTE (Charlie @ Feb 25 2009, 03:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Some are horizontal type spreading and some are side type spreading. No idea what that means.QUOTE (pholord @ Feb 25 2009, 04:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i always assumed a spread was simply a combination of fingerarounds chained in sequence
spread 12221 would be ta->fl iax3-> fl ta
i believe only the first trick of the spread can be started with a finger push, the remaining moves must be fingerless.
Both are correct. We Japanese spinners in our naming system have a spread trick family, as you can learn in my topic. I should have added to it that spread tricks such as '1,2-SpreadDouble' can have the last 1.0 rotation as 0.5 rotations for the pen to be caught by two fingers in the middle of the spin; if it does, then we get a trick called '1,2-SpreadSingleaxel' of the total rotation only 1.5. A half rotations, as you call an arial tap, can be as the last 0.5 rotations of a spread trick before the catch, and cannot be added between the 1.0 rotation fingeraround tricks.
And, I also acknowledge that most Japanese spinners often use two unofficial* terms, 縦（型） "vertical", 横（型）ï¼æ°´å¹³ï¼ˆåž‹ï¼‰ "horizontal" to give the difference of them. Where "vertical" means the pen rotating very orthogonally to the finger, the pen often bouncing, whereas "horizontal" means the pen rotating the finger like sliding on it.
* It is true that there are no official organizations which strictly define the naming system in Japan.
Hence, this will be a "horizontal" spread;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm0u50A1m7s
And, this will be a "vertical" spread spin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYPTh70j3Io...re=channel_page
Good luck I hope it helps.
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Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 17:55:47
Aphsamoth: Thank you very much for the explanation, good work!
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Date: Sat, Feb 28 2009 03:16:27
Spreads are so much fun! After a day and a half of practice, i can do the full spread combo that spinnerpeem did in the WT.
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Date: Sat, Feb 28 2009 06:46:14QUOTE (Mystic @ Feb 27 2009, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Spreads are so much fun! After a day and a half of practice, i can do the full spread combo that spinnerpeem did in the WT.
video now, tutorial please
i've been trying for SOOO long... all i can do is Thumbaround > Spread 12T
help me out!!! -
Date: Sat, Feb 28 2009 16:39:17QUOTE (Jamie Enns @ Feb 28 2009, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>video now, tutorial please
i've been trying for SOOO long... all i can do is Thumbaround > Spread 12T
help me out!!!
Haha, okay. Ill get working on it! -
Date: Sun, Mar 1 2009 03:39:00QUOTE (Mystic @ Feb 27 2009, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Spreads are so much fun! After a day and a half of practice, i can do the full spread combo that spinnerpeem did in the WT.
Yeah, spinnerpeem's spread combo isn't too hard. It's kind of fun to do, something I'll remember to practice later when I have more time.
Thanks again jamie! -
Date: Sun, Mar 1 2009 07:43:45
jamie's slomo video really helped out a lot. but is there a slo mo video of TA Rev > Spread Reverse like posted by outsmash?
and is there a official notation system for spread tricks and linkages? -
Date: Sun, Mar 1 2009 19:08:12
untill i find a clip of a spread reverse rise/fall, that clip of s777 and Crew's combo from WT09 R1 is all ya got for a spread reverse. and they both use the pinky only. i could slow-mo it for you but its really the same.
no official english notations yet, but i would love to write an article for it... if its allowed
read Aphsamoth's article for the japanese notation -
Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 02:00:09
First of all, any tips? what is actually happening to the pin, how many rotations etc.
How should i go about learning the trick? -
Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 06:23:32
I made a topic on spreads. It's on page 2.
http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=17613 -
Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 08:00:43
Sorry for bumping a 2 month old topic.
I would like to know :
-What type of pen is best for spreads
-How do I practise spreads
-How to put it into a combo
Man, the worst thing about it is I can't practise it in class, it'd be flying around the whole place.. -
Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 10:53:01QUOTE (Sian_ing @ Apr 27 2009, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sorry for bumping a 2 month old topic.
I would like to know :
-What type of pen is best for spreads
-How do I practise spreads
-How to put it into a combo
Man, the worst thing about it is I can't practise it in class, it'd be flying around the whole place..
use long pen, with decent momentum. no sharp tips obviously, unless you want to be blinded or lose your fertility etc.
practise: umm. you practise individual ones, then fall (index > middle, middle > ring, ring > pinky), then continuous and rise. (not sure, you can choose to do continuous or rise before consecutive if you want, but it might be harder)
easy to link into combo after ta. i find catching spreads easiest in T1 and 12 slots, but other slots are also possible...
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Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 12:40:14QUOTE (i.suk.at.everything @ Apr 27 2009, 06:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>use long pen, with decent momentum. no sharp tips obviously, unless you want to be blinded or lose your fertility etc.
practise: umm. you practise individual ones, then fall (index > middle, middle > ring, ring > pinky), then continuous and rise. (not sure, you can choose to do continuous or rise before consecutive if you want, but it might be harder)
easy to link into combo after ta. i find catching spreads easiest in T1 and 12 slots, but other slots are also possible...
Lol I'm using a KT.................................
Right now I'm doing TA > index > middle.. thats all i can go..
I'm also trying real hard to do it with fingers in, cause I think it looks much nicer.. -
Date: Sat, May 2 2009 03:47:14
Is it possible to do Spread Rise Fall Harmonic continuously with ample practice? Right now, I can only do Spread T - 1 - 2.
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Date: Sun, May 3 2009 06:52:48
that would require doing index and pinky spread harmonic...hard, but still possible. lots of practice needed probably
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Date: Sun, May 3 2009 11:29:36
yea fire@fox can do it
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Date: Mon, May 4 2009 09:57:44QUOTE (Sian_ing @ May 3 2009, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yea fire@fox can do it
Video.
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Date: Mon, May 4 2009 10:13:22
Still practicing it and it's hard. ><
I can get to index and middle so far. -
Date: Mon, May 4 2009 10:41:28
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Date: Mon, May 4 2009 15:59:53QUOTE (Sian_ing @ May 4 2009, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HOLY SHIIT, ARE U KIDDING ME?!! *faints*
That's g0ddam crazy. -
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 00:26:29
I need help with the spread(index, middle, ring, pinky) Does any1 have a tutorial for it?
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Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 16:54:40
tornado is like a extended normal...
cyclone is like a tornado->normal
im trying to learn those...
i heard of a move before called storm.... ? -
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 19:27:39QUOTE (Metalm3 @ May 4 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>HOLY SHIIT, ARE U KIDDING ME?!! *faints*
That's g0ddam crazy.
lol what pen is that looks crazy long ='[