UPSB v3

Approved Tutorials / MPMX dori style :)

with more audible click mechanism!

dori
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 01:43:22

Edit 11/18/09: Fixed the pics; i hate photobucket -.-

~~Firstly, I don't expect this tutorial to be approved or anything; its just for the people that wanted to know how to make it.~~ Yay! It got approved. :]
Secondly, after a few pms and much effort trying to explain, I couldn't; so, people asked for a formal tutorial. I hope it makes sense for you guys this time!
I know I promised sooner, but I was busy making more MP MX's; sorryy >"<
Third; this is only my second tutorial, so please let me know if any clarification is needed! I always tend to overlook some things...
And lastly, please commence to the tutorial!

[original insert by homesliceme]

THIS THING CLICKS LIKE A BEAST!

Stats
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Name: MP MX
COG: same as MX
Length: same as MX
Weight: same as MX
Style: single sided, MP
Writing-Mechanism: Mechanical pencil
Ink-Type: 0.7 lead
Estimated-Cost: ~$5.50
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Materials List:

(from left to right)
A. Pentel Champ MP: you need everything except the back eraser part and the grip (can be subbed for Icy)
B. Pentel RSVP Retractable: only need the cap
C. Pentel Hybrid Gel Grip: tip, grip, backplug
D. Pentel RSVP: everything except the cap and the ink
E. 2 Empty inktubes with different thicknesses. 1 rsvp inktube (no more than 4.5 cm), 1 sailor inktube (2 cm). (can use G3, G2, etc.)

Tools:
Driller with various drills
packaging tape
regular tape
scissors
x-acto
sander
teflon tape
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Spoiler:

1. Gather materials (left to right):
pentel champ barrel + mech,
RSVP rtr. cap,
HGG tip, HGG grip, HGG backplug (not pictured),
RSVP barrel + backplug + grip (you can cut off the ring at the end for an MX^2 if you want ^^),
empty inktubes.

2. We will make the front part first. Make faint lines as to where to cut around the barrel.
from the tip of the champ to the line, the length is about 3 cm. (keep the front piece)
from the tip of the RSVP to the line, the length is about 2.6 cm. (discard the front piece)

Make sure these cuts are STRAIGHT. Also, be careful when cutting the champ barrel, because its thin plastic and the inktube inside gets in the way. Just cut around it, and when it gets loose enough, you can snap it off. Just be careful not to crack it.
You can always sand down the rsvp barrel to make the connection smoother to the champ barrel.
also, by sanding, the length of the rsvp barrel goes down, so if your HGG grip doesnt extend all the way, you can sand down more RSVP barrel.

3. Use the driller to drill a hole in the rsvp barrel from the front. This is to widen the hole, so the champ inktube can go through.

This part may take a while, so make sure your driller has full power! If fully charged, it should only take a few seconds.
After drilling, be careful with the drill because it's really hot.

4. Tape the extra inktube (about 4.5 cm) to the end of the champ mp using packaging tape.
Drill a hole into the back plug of the rsvp, enough so the extra inktube can retract cleanly through.
Put rsvp back plug back in.

5. Slide champ mp into rsvp barrel from the front; the inktube should stick out about 1.5 cm, plus or minus 0.1 cm. Remember, extra is better because you can adjust length at the end.

Then, tape the front with 2-3 layers of PACKAGING TAPE. (regular tape will NOT suffice; the mp will come shooting out xP)

***CHECK to see if your mechanism works, here.***

6. Teflon the HGG tip onto the champ tip.
Do whatever you can to get that HGG grip over the champ mp and rsvp barrel.

The front should now be completed.

7. Cut the thick ink tube to 2 cm.

The ends should be as FLAT as possibe to reduce future rattling in the cap.

Tutorial continued in part 2 down there...
dori
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 01:51:18

Spoiler:

8. Cut your HGG back plug to about ~~0.5 cm~~ 0.6 cm.

NOTE: I was stupid when I took the picture because I failed to notice the END of the HGG backplug did not start at zero exactly, therefore the inaccurate measurement. The measurement should actually be about 0.6 cm. However, it does not affect the mod much, since you should have some excess inktube sticking out anyways.
Next, you will add layers and layers of tape to the HGG back plug until it can fit in an rsvp cap, making it a bit fatter and expanded. You know you are done adding layers of tape when the taped HGG back plug in the rsvp grip fits snuggly inside the rtr rsvp cap. When testing, make sure it is a tight fit. If not, everything will fall out of the back cap.

9. Put everything into the rtr rsvp cap in this order. Thick inktube --> rsvp grip --> taped HGG backplug (the rsvp grip is supposed to slide over the thick inktube so the inktube has direct contact with the HGG backplug)
Everything should be pushed ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK. (except the rsvp grip, which should be pushed back enough to cover the HGG backplug)

Check for rattling of the thick inktube here. If it rattles, push the rsvp grip a little higher using a G2 back piece.

10. Put the cap on the back part of the rsvp body. Test the mechanism. Does the extended inktube reach the HGG backplug in the cap?
If it does and there is an excess, cut off bit by bit until the cap is lined with the rsvp backplug, and the mechanism works.
If not, then there is a problem. You can try extending the inktube even more by taping another inktube to the original inktube and cut bit by bit from there.

11. Next, add an insert. Note that the insert is 'permanent' because the inktube is taped, preventing the rsvp backplug to come off.
So, choose a good insert you'll stick with, unless you're ok with changing a lot of tape.
Next, tape the inktube sticking out. Make sure the rsvp backplug is still screwed onto the rsvp body. It should look like this:

Keep adding tape until you feel confident the cap will not fall off. Test everyonce in a while. The cap should fit on snuggly, yet be able to be pulled off when needed.

12. Put some lead in your inktube, slide the cap back on, and you're done!

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FAQ
Q: Can I use a dremel to cut the barrels?
A: Yea you can on the rsvp barrel, but I'm not sure on the champ barrel. Since there is an inktube inside and the plastic is very weak, I wouldn't chance it.

Q: I finished my front part, and when I click, the whole front part shoots out. What do I do?
A: You should re-tape your front part, connecting the rsvp barrel and the champ barrel with PACKAGING tape.

Q: There's rattling in the cap. What do I do?
A: The thick inktube is not flat enough and is not in contact with the HGG backplug and the end of the rtr rsvp cap. Push the rsvp grip back a LITTLE more, using a G2 back piece.

Q: My cap flies off everytime I spin!
A: Add a little more tape to the inktube so that it fits better into the HGG backplug in the cap.

Q: Can I use Pentel Icy as a sub for the champ?
A: Yes. The tips are slightly different, but they are exactly the same length. :]

Q: How do I remove ink from inktubes?
A: First, I would make sure the ink in the inktube is fairly fresh. (not ancient old, like from a random pen box in your garage) Then, yank off the metal tip with pliers. Bring it to a sink, and blow from the end without a tip to the end that had the tip.Some blobs should come out slowly; keep running water in the sink to wash off the blobs as the fall out.When you can get a slight circulation going from tip to tip (ink may still be inside the tube's lining of the walls), you can put the tube vertically into the stream of water. I would suggest using warm water, it just seems to work better for me. And dont forget to clean up!

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Pros&Cons
Cons:
- Permanent insert
- Back heavy
- No eraser
Pros
- No RSVP backplug shaving AT ALL~
- Writable
- Fun to click
- Spins like an MX
- Sturdy
- Noiseless
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And that concludes my second tutorial!
If there are any questions, feel free to ask!
Thanks for your time, and good luck if you make it!
ãƒ†oh!
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 02:02:27

thank you thank you thank you!!! ^^ cant wait to make this
Santa
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 02:15:42

is pentel champ same as pentel icy? i have a billion of those

and I have made and failed at making mp mx's out of icy's
xepher
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 02:18:52

how do you get the ink out of the rsvp ink barrel?

I tried running water though, but its to small :\
dori
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 02:23:41

QUOTE (Santa @ Feb 25 2009, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
is pentel champ same as pentel icy? i have a billion of those

Spoiler:

and I have made and failed at making mp mx's out of icy's

No, they are different; champ is all plastic tip, and icy is metal tip.
the tip lengths are the same, so you can use the icy as a sub. ^^

QUOTE (xepher @ Feb 25 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how do you get the ink out of the rsvp ink barrel?

I tried running water though, but its to small :\

Hm.. yea it's a dirty task thats for sure
First, I would make sure the ink is fairly fresh. (not ancient old, like from a random pen box in your garage)
Then, yank off the metal tip with pliers.
Bring it to a sink, and blow from the end without a tip to the end that had the tip.
Some blobs should come out slowly; keep running water in the sink to wash off the blobs as the fall out.
When you can get a slight circulation going from tip to tip (ink may still be inside the tube's lining of the walls), you can put the tube vertically into the stream of water.
I would suggest using warm water, it just seems to work better for me.

and dont forget to clean up your mess!
luke
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 02:23:41

nice i also used a pen like this to make my first mx except mine doesnt click well lol
iamk34n3
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 04:02:03

I don't think the thick inktube -> RSVP Grip -> HGG backplug part is necessary because the HGG backplug can only go up so much in the rsvp cap. Therefore, you should only just need the HGG back plug.

Good tutorial though. Gonna start making these once I run out of MSPs.
dori
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 04:07:14

QUOTE (iamk34n3 @ Feb 25 2009, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think the thick inktube -> RSVP Grip -> HGG backplug part is necessary because the HGG backplug can only go up so much in the rsvp cap. Therefore, you should only just need the HGG back plug.

Good tutorial though. Gonna start making these once I run out of MSPs.

Oh, but it IS necessary!
The main reason my version is different is because it uses the rsvp rtr cap in the back, making clicking more efficient.
This is because the diameter of the rsvp rtr cap is wider, therefore the excessive taping of the hgg backplug to widen it and prevent the rsvp grip from slipping out.
Thanks for feedback!
iamk34n3
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 04:10:33

Oh man. I totally forgot that you used a retractable rsvp cap. So no shaving of the backplug is required huh? Even if its a super thick black one?
dori
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 04:12:52

QUOTE (iamk34n3 @ Feb 25 2009, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh man. I totally forgot that you used a retractable rsvp cap. So no shaving of the backplug is required huh? Even if its a super thick black one?

Yep!
Thats why I LOVE it!
NoobishPenspinner
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 04:21:14

QUOTE (ãƒ†oh! @ Feb 25 2009, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thank you thank you thank you!!! ^^ cant wait to make this
TEK
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 08:51:26

QUOTE (dori @ Feb 25 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, but it IS necessary!
The main reason my version is different is because it uses the rsvp rtr cap in the back, making clicking more efficient.
This is because the diameter of the rsvp rtr cap is wider, therefore the excessive taping of the hgg backplug to widen it and prevent the rsvp grip from slipping out.
Thanks for feedback!

seems like a really good msp sub
the retr rsvp cap is a bit wobby tho...its just a little bit too big.
well anyways nice tut. good job

QUOTE (iamk34n3 @ Feb 25 2009, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even if its a super thick black one?

oh geez keane.....lol
longhorn
Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 16:01:27

What I've to change to done this mod with normal RSVP cap?

because I really can't get the retractable one T T
pholord
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 00:40:38

QUOTE (iamk34n3 @ Feb 25 2009, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even if its a super thick black one?

QUOTE (TEK @ Feb 26 2009, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
oh geez keane.....lol

I dont see why you dont expect this to be approved, the tuts very good. The drilling is the only thing that bothers me about this mod, otherwise id make it.
CPM8
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 00:42:47

QUOTE (longhorn @ Feb 26 2009, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What I've to change to done this mod with normal RSVP cap?

because I really can't get the retractable one T T

You would have to shave down the RSVP backcap, then...
MassAppeal
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 01:37:55

thxs so much
xepher
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 02:04:42

how did yours get such a loud "clicky" sound?
mine sounds like a regular mech. pencil

but ty for tutorial ^^
very nice mod
dori
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 03:12:42

QUOTE (pholord @ Feb 26 2009, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dont see why you dont expect this to be approved, the tuts very good. The drilling is the only thing that bothers me about this mod, otherwise id make it.

:] it would be nice if it was approved.
yea.. the drilling was a main concern for me too, but if your drill is fully charged, it shouldnt take longer than a few seconds!

QUOTE (xepher @ Feb 26 2009, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how did yours get such a loud "clicky" sound?
mine sounds like a regular mech. pencil

but ty for tutorial ^^
very nice mod

does the mech click as loud if you click it without the cap? (push the inktube only)
cuz if it does, then the cap is the problem (the cap isnt moving smooth enough, you'll have to shave the rsvp backplug a bit)
if it doesnt, then there is something wrong with the front mechanism.
luke
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 03:27:45

QUOTE (pholord @ Feb 26 2009, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I dont see why you dont expect this to be approved, the tuts very good. The drilling is the only thing that bothers me about this mod, otherwise id make it.

drilling is very easy actually if you use a dremel with an orb like drilling/grinding tool. just set it on low and push it down the rsvp body slowly. i reccomend holding you're breath though, this thing makes a lot of dust
longhorn
Date: Sat, Feb 28 2009 16:44:51

do you have any tricks to cut Champ?

I have broke it one - -
dori
Date: Sun, Mar 1 2009 00:24:15

QUOTE (longhorn @ Feb 28 2009, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
do you have any tricks to cut Champ?

I have broke it one - -

Yea... it breaks easily :\
Umm I usually write (the line) it over with an x-acto knife, and later I saw it with one side of a scissor.
It takes a while, but it's safe and it works.
Or, if you have a hand saw, that would work best!
longhorn
Date: Sun, Mar 1 2009 14:45:25

I made it and I lost two rsvo body while I use driller - -

anyway I can't get rsvp ret. cap so I use Hyper jell cap but still nice ^^
Shimo
Date: Sun, Mar 1 2009 15:14:18

THIS PEN IS GENIUS
Must make
pongpong
Date: Thu, Mar 5 2009 12:04:24

QUOTE (longhorn @ Mar 1 2009, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I made it and I lost two rsvo body while I use driller - -

anyway I can't get rsvp ret. cap so I use Hyper jell cap but still nice ^^

in thailand we have a retr. cap sub, its exactly the same, you can buy it at a nanmee bookstore, pm me for me details

Hyperjell Cap? how does that work
homesliceme
Date: Thu, Mar 5 2009 20:57:24

Lol, I saw my insert so I decided to make one
Thanks for the tutorial, it was very helpful
ãƒ†oh!
Date: Fri, Mar 13 2009 01:46:48

alright, i made one, and all i can say is that IT IS AWESOME!!! the clicking has a good sound, it was fairly simple to make, and i modified it so i can change the insert without retaping nice job
Ilvdrftng
Date: Fri, Mar 13 2009 03:43:00

This mod is really good! Everything is very stable, and it works like a charm! Thanks Dori!
PillarsOfValhalla
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 04:36:36

Amazing mod, Dori
bioshock
Date: Thu, Mar 26 2009 11:44:51

nice mod. quite easy to make!
G.lanz
Date: Mon, Mar 30 2009 23:54:06

thanks for the parts, Dori!

I'd just like to add that instead of using the HGG backplug, RSVP grip and extra ink tube, I put some tape around a section of a Supertip cap, and that worked fine. If you want, you can try this, but then it's not really a RSVP MX anymore, right?
Outsmash
Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 14:19:32

Sorry for reviving this thread but is there any possibilty to put this mechanism in the MSXA? Should the 'inktube' be extended or something like that? And should the comssa cap be drilled?
dori
Date: Wed, Apr 29 2009 02:34:06

QUOTE (Outsmash @ Apr 27 2009, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry for reviving this thread but is there any possibilty to put this mechanism in the MSXA? Should the 'inktube' be extended or something like that? And should the comssa cap be drilled?

Lol I'm pretty sure its impossible to fit the champ mechanism (tip) inside a comssa cap (of an msxa). This is because the comssa cap is not wide enough to fit the tip. if you desire the tip above the comssa cap, the hgg tip would not reach low enough to attach to the comssa cap.

Confusing? Definitely.
But basically, I wouldn't recommend doing it.
I can suggest another way to make a msxa mp though; try using my mp namae method (tut in my sig).
It uses the mechanism similar to the mp mx v3, which is thinner so it can go through the comssa cap easier, while allowing the hgg tip to stay on the comssa cap.
I could do a tut if necessary (because it's quite simple); I've done it with my msxa and its quite stable.
Xternalãƒ¡DGN
Date: Wed, Apr 29 2009 10:41:48

dori, make a tut on that mp mxsa please.
hetsaguya
Date: Thu, Apr 30 2009 02:00:36

does pental have .5 mech pencils that could be subbed in for the mech pencil that is used
sifihog
Date: Thu, Apr 30 2009 02:08:58

QUOTE (dori @ Apr 28 2009, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol I'm pretty sure its impossible to fit the champ mechanism (tip) inside a comssa cap (of an msxa). This is because the comssa cap is not wide enough to fit the tip. if you desire the tip above the comssa cap, the hgg tip would not reach low enough to attach to the comssa cap.

Confusing? Definitely.
But basically, I wouldn't recommend doing it.
I can suggest another way to make a msxa mp though; try using my mp namae method (tut in my sig).
It uses the mechanism similar to the mp mx v3, which is thinner so it can go through the comssa cap easier, while allowing the hgg tip to stay on the comssa cap.
I could do a tut if necessary (because it's quite simple); I've done it with my msxa and its quite stable.

erm.. i dont mean to be an arrogant jerk or anything, but couldnt you do it the same way you do a mp comssa ?
dori
Date: Thu, Apr 30 2009 02:33:44

QUOTE (sifihog @ Apr 29 2009, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
erm.. i dont mean to be an arrogant jerk or anything, but couldnt you do it the same way you do a mp comssa ?

Hmm, come to think of it, that is quite possible!
Wow, I did not even realize that until now... XD
Good find!

The only difference woudl be that the G2 plastic part would need to be extended to be taped to the rsvp body.
If done correctly, I should think it should be as stable as the mp metallic comssa!
sifihog
Date: Thu, Apr 30 2009 02:38:47

QUOTE (dori @ Apr 29 2009, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm, come to think of it, that is quite possible!
Wow, I did not even realize that until now... XD
Good find!

The only difference woudl be that the G2 plastic part would need to be extended to be taped to the rsvp body.
If done correctly, I should think it should be as stable as the mp metallic comssa!

Thank you, this is what i did.
Nation
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 03:05:27

This is my main method for making MP MX's, although I use my own cap method...
I don't understand why the insert is permanent...
Colin
Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 07:46:21

QUOTE (Nation @ Nov 5 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This is my main method for making MP MX's, although I use my own cap method...
I don't understand why the insert is permanent...

cause you'd have to remove tons of tape?
Nation
Date: Fri, Dec 4 2009 21:34:18

QUOTE (Colin @ Nov 20 2009, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
cause you'd have to remove tons of tape?

I see.
Pyroshima
Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 21:52:50

Hmm, stead of wrapping the inktube w/ tape im going to try top hollow out an eraser.
Nation
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 20:31:28

Ok, I found out why some Icy's/Champ's click louder than others.
There is an old version, and a new version.
The old version has a metal clip that is attached to the body, and it has an RSVP like grip.
The new version has a shitty grip that rips really easily, and it has a metal clip that is attached to the eraser part.
Anyway, the old kind clicks a LOT louder. so meh.
Kirby
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 20:37:10

http://www.viewpoints.com/images/review/20...4-0901_full.jpg old icy
vs.

http://content.etilize.com/Large/11966710.jpg new icy

Just in case anyone was wondering.

EDIT: Nation, do both mechs work for the mod?
Nation
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 20:40:34

yes. ._.
Colin
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 01:05:57

QUOTE (Nation @ Mar 22 2010, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok, I found out why some Icy's/Champ's click louder than others.
There is an old version, and a new version.
The old version has a metal clip that is attached to the body, and it has an RSVP like grip.
The new version has a shitty grip that rips really easily, and it has a metal clip that is attached to the eraser part.
Anyway, the old kind clicks a LOT louder. so meh.

Theyre both the same.

Its how much the inktube is affected. If you yank/mess around with it alot, it'll fuck up the sound.
The old Icy's have an MP mech like a dr.grip, where as the new ones have one whole attached mech.
Nation
Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 20:26:33

QUOTE (Colin @ Mar 22 2010, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Theyre both the same.

Its how much the inktube is affected. If you yank/mess around with it alot, it'll fuck up the sound.
The old Icy's have an MP mech like a dr.grip, where as the new ones have one whole attached mech.

these were both bought straight from the store... (different stores thought)