UPSB v3 Archive | World Tournament 2009 - Round 3

Zombo

Date: Fri, Mar 13 2009 22:25:22

http://www.alexsimpsononline.com/rounds.html

Spoiler:

ATTENTION: YOUTUBE KILLED THE QUALITY OF ALL THE VIDEOS. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU DOWNLOAD THE VIDEOS AND REWATCH THEM.
DOWNLOAD LINK: http://upsb.info/WT09/R3/WT09R3.zip
About ChauTran's video: the poor quality of his video is NOT due to Youtube, it's a problem with the video itself. So unless ChauTran fixes the problem himself, we can only watch in low quality. Sorry!

Results will be revealed March 21st.

Matchup Thread

Fratleymãƒ¡FS

Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 12:04:12

here's mine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9WEStPz7aY

dl link because youtube just crapped it : http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a9d0d26...04e75f6e8ebb871

This time I'm not late

Zombo

Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 15:12:14

Resonance

Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 16:30:02

Well, I have no idea about Minwoo Vs stuhl...
I'll go with Frat in Fratleym Vs ssEno
And youtube simply murdered Answer's vid quality >_>

And btw Zombo, small typo there, Answer is from PSH, not PDS as far as I know..

SJ

Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 18:39:03

wtf...

is it just me or... the video qualities really crappy?
for all of them ... theyre horrible...

chaos

Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 18:54:57

ssEno won for sure

kingsoul

Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 19:12:59

s777 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKokVl72HLY

Gollumsk8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJMqx8Cjltw

Skonix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLeb0SdG6FE

Zombo

Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 19:37:03

QUOTE (SJ @ Mar 14 2009, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

wtf...

is it just me or... the video qualities really crappy?
for all of them ... theyre horrible...

youtube is crap lately

s777 is god

Jamie Enns

Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 21:41:49

s777 is groundbreaking when it comes to difficulty

EDIT:
AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
gollumsk8's combo is the best i've EVER SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!

Erirornal Kraione

Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 21:47:31

Here is my video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyyob5KcN3o

Download link is in the description.

I... want... to sleep...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Lx3BNqL8E...re=channel_page - wcy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAEt3oVt5XM...re=channel_page - Taeryong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3eZ0t2KfBY...re=channel_page - caras

Have an enjoy!

AyySoLo

Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 23:34:47

so many vids out

Answer's video quality is better if it wasn't on YT, youtube just killed the quality
my favourite film so far is wcy....so good so strong

wo_shi_ni

Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 23:39:09

wcy for the win!!!

SJ

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 00:03:25

ok seriously...
i kinda think using youtube is a bad idea now.
maybe host it somewhere else?
all of the vid quality is horrendous.

Zombo

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 04:31:29

QUOTE (SJ @ Mar 14 2009, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ok seriously...
i kinda think using youtube is a bad idea now.
maybe host it somewhere else?
all of the vid quality is horrendous.

actually its just their flash player that sucks

i tried download wcy's video in high quality mp4 using keepvid and it looks so much better...

so I suggest everybody rewatch the videos again when we get the download up.

or you can just download the mp4s yourself using KeepVid straight off youtube.

supawit127

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 04:34:21

Supawit127 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw6_3uF50NE

Dongza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njpj_uQXQOA

Peem vid will be on youtube soon he has a little ploblem XD

Youtube kill quality T_____________T

Zombo

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 04:34:55

Outsmash

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 07:13:45

Just Neater:
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Caras (KPSA) vs Erirornal Kraione (UPSB)
ChauTran (UPSB) vs Dongza (THPSC)
Stuhl (GPC) vs Minwoo (GPC)
Taeryong (KPSA) vs wcy (HKPSA)
Fratleym (FPSB) vs ssEno (PSH)
Answer (PSH) vs Skonix (FPSB)
s777 (FPSB) vs Spinnerpeem (THPSC)
Gollumsk8 (FPSB) vs Supawit127 (THPSC)

Charlie

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 08:19:52

QUOTE (Outsmash @ Mar 14 2009, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Just Neater:

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Caras (KPSA) vs Erirornal Kraione (UPSB)
ChauTran (UPSB) vs Dongza (THPSC)
Stuhl (GPC) vs Minwoo (GPC)
Taeryong (KPSA) vs wcy (HKPSA)
Fratleym (FPSB) vs ssEno (PSH)
Answer (PSH) vs Skonix (FPSB)
s777 (FPSB) vs Spinnerpeem (THPSC)
Gollumsk8 (FPSB) vs Supawit127 (THPSC)

hmm, good round, lots of tough decisions.

Caras vs Eriror (Hard to decide. I really enjoy watching Caras's vids. He really knows how to build a combo, great structure. Although I do prefer his 2 rounds over this one. Eriror's was also quite nice. Good 1p2h stuff going on. Left handed finisher was nice. Tough choice. Seems like both spinners are also running out of material.)
ChauTran vs Dongza
Stuhl vs Minwoo (I'm all for minwoo for this one. Stuhl put up a good fight, but he's going down again. 2 handed isolation was decent, but nothing special. Stuhl also had some good 2 handed tricks going on, but they're nothing compared to minwoo.)
Taeryong vs wcy (I'm pretty disappointed in Taeryong. I really expected better. wcy)
Fratleym vs ssEno (I enjoyed both vids. I appreciate ssEno's attempt at creativity, but it really didn't work for me. Fratleym's combo was great. The fingercross t3 was especially well done. He also had some strange, incomprehensible mini-combos, but that's expected from fratleym. Was cool.)
Answer vs Skonix (Answer. Skonix's was good, but quite plain.)
s777 vs Spinnerpeem (S777 is insane. I wanted more, but it was great. Can't wait for peem's! I expect some world-shaking combo from peem.)
Gollumsk8 vs Supawit127 (This was a great match. I loved watching both vids. I love gollumsk8's linkages. Out of the norm, and they look good. The Triangle Pass 123 was insanely good. Inspired me to practice on my own triangle passes. On the other hand, Supawit had badass cont tricks and high difficulty aerials. Really hard to pick between the two. Maybe supa for the difficulty, but gollumsk8 had an awesome combo. hard to say)

ChauTran

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 10:08:55

Uploading......

Here is my vid :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-o9u0ozKfU

Watch in HD , but not improve that much
Sorry for being so late
Congrat DongZa

P/S : Windows Movie Maker sucks T,T

AyySoLo

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 12:53:57

Caras vs Eriror: nice combo by Caras, but compare to Eriror's crazy left hand and even more crazier right hand, have to go with Eriror
ChauTran vs Dongza: Tough decision, ChauTran had a well structured combo, but Dongza's style is just too smooth and too perfect
Stuhl vs Minwoo:Minwoo agian put up quite a show, Stuhl really tried, but Minwoo left him no chance
Taeryong vs wcy: Again Taeryong did a short combo, gave me the feeling that the combo ended half way. And wcy is just ....psh...kicking pen, omfg
Fratlyem vs ssEno: I would have to go with Fratlyem for now, it's a tough decision thou. Eno really put up something much better than last two rounds, but Frat's creativity and well down fingercross plus almost perfect execution....but this also depends on the judge, if they prefer style over difficulty, then ssEno still have some chance
Answer vs Skonix: nothing to talk about, skonix's combo really disappointed me
s777 vs Spinnerpeem:have to wait for peem's combo, can't wait
Gollumsk8 vs Supawit127

JacobÃ¤

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 14:21:07

Spinnerpeem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0X9gK1RBFc...feature=channel

life

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 14:22:22

This's Peem's combo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0X9gK1RBFc

Trackstud

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 14:27:10

QUOTE (life @ Mar 15 2009, 07:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This's Peem's combo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0X9gK1RBFc

I'm a little bit worried for peem now. D:
s777 had a crazy combo

Santa

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 14:36:29

i bet peem i still saving a lot of material for the next rounds.

s777's combo is insane..

Zombo

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 14:38:08

QUOTE (Santa @ Mar 15 2009, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

i bet peem i still saving a lot of material for the next rounds.

s777's combo is insane..

what's the point of doing that when s777 is possibly the strongest opponent you'll ever face...

Rafik

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 14:42:00

this is a moment when i must post my opinion about fight spinnerppem vs s777
mai opinion: spinnerpeem r soooooo fkin awesome fk fk fk fk he won.
but s777 with his left hand 1.5 bakfallz r awesome 2 ;0

balls

down: ty

Minwoo

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 14:43:09

DL-Link of mine:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=183bacf...04e75f6e8ebb871

AyySoLo

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 14:51:30

for some reason....i feel both peem and s777 are saving......but not sure wut r they waiting for, they already bumpped into the strongest opponent they can face

JacobÃ¤

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 14:57:15

Caras vs Eriror: Both spinners had very nice combos, but i think eriror's transitions between hands plus his smoothness with hard linkages have won this match.

ChauTran vs Dongza: Chautran did really well and continued showing his proficiency with bakfall combos. But dongza has one of the fastest spinning skills in the world and mixed it with pretty hard linkages and relentless smoothness.

Stuhl vs Minwoo: Minwoo's style is really unique and his combo was both difficult and creative. I really believe the key match of this tournament (maybe the final) is going to be minwwo vs a thaispinner.

Taeryong vs wcy: Taeryong combo was very simple and short. wcy combo looked liked a very improved version of KTH's 2nd round combo last year. I believe that this new kind of pen spinning is win for wcy.

Fratlyem vs ssEno: One of the hardest matches to judge. ssEno came up with a very appealingl combo and a innovative concept (2 arms roll), but fratleym really returned with his amazing hybrids in a very smooth and well structured combo.

Answer vs Skonix: In the words of AyySolo: "nothing to talk about, skonix's combo really disappointed me"

s777 vs Spinnerpeem: I really expected combos that would turn the pen spinning world upside down. I guess i was waiting for silly bakfalls by s777 and crazy hai tua/bust combos by peem. Nonetheless both did really well and i believe this is the closest match so far. s777 combined two handed skills with his perfect smoothness in a combo that closely remembers me of bonkura. Peem continued with his unique consistency with busts and tried some new linkages but i think his combos aren't considered good because he does some T3 tricks. Considering that i wished peem had put more insane and visual appealing tricks (because that's what he's good at) like his hai tua and ipba based finishers. I can't decide right now, but i believe s777 has a small edge on this one.

Gollumsk8 vs Supawit127: When i watched gollum's combo i thought: "omg, this is gonna be really hard for supawit". But supawit continued with his perfect smoothness during completely insane tricks. In my opinion he not only won the match, but is probably going to be in the finals.

Zombo

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 15:04:56

prediction game thread up: http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=18432

Wind

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 15:16:09

I love wcy's combo. It was like I was seeing another PS-728.
You can do it wcy!

longhorn

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 15:39:21

Peem's endling remind me like SEVEN

Anti-Climax ;p

anyway I still prefer to spinnerpeem about over looked combo but hybrid tricks of s777 is f**king crazy!!

Zombo

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 16:00:22

ATTENTION: YOUTUBE KILLED THE QUALITY OF ALL THE VIDEOS. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU DOWNLOAD THE VIDEOS AND REWATCH THEM.
DOWNLOAD LINK: http://upsb.info/WT09/R3/WT09R3.zip
About ChauTran's video: the poor quality of his video is NOT due to Youtube, it's a problem with the video itself. So unless ChauTran fixes the problem himself, we can only watch in low quality. Sorry!

Edor

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 16:06:24

my computer cant open zip files T_T

octan3

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 16:26:01

damn s777... hybrids...
why do i get the feeling that Thailand's combo is all continuous endings put together...?

~L~

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 16:42:50

peem and s777 battle, I expected more of both, mainly peem..
s777 did that insane bf 1.5 with left hand and his perfect smooth as the usual..
but peem had nothing really new, his combo is awesome, but I expected more =/
Im my eyes s777 won..

Charlie

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 17:52:17

Peem's combo was a let down. Seems like he's holding back. Why would he do that against s777?

SJ

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 18:14:35

wow wtf
peem just got his ass kicked sleep(1).gif
that was...a disappointment. sigh.

TheSpinner 3.5

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 18:15:22

aw man i think spinnerpeem could of done more and while s777's combo was amazing, it didn't "catch" me

Rarka

Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 18:59:20

Stuhl vs Minwoo - the best battle of this WT. I really enjoyed both vids, both are great spinners who use a lot of creativity and skills. I think Minwoo will win this one and go to the final. Stuhl - good job, thanks for your great videos (even they were over the time limit )

This round is... quite disappointing for me. I was expecting more from Spinnerpeem and s777. Okay, I know, they did really good combos, probably one of the best ever but... I have a feeling like they have used their best concepts in previus rounds (peem's epic finisher, s777's forearmaround and ta release ending).

Also good videos from Eriror and Fratleym, as usual very difficult and creative.

Thanks for uploading .mp4 files, really good quality.

Zombo

Date: Mon, Mar 16 2009 04:43:05

hehe

the analysis keep getting shorter... yet the decisions keep getting harder.

I think this round had some sensational spinning and we've seen some very nice spinning. Some of the judging decisions have to be extremely difficult because you basically have someone a master of his style against someone who's a master of his other style. Comparing styles is always controversial, but some styles favor smoothness, other difficulty, other creativity, so inevitably it will enter in the equation if the effectiveness is equal (meaning they're both using their own style perfectly = 10/10 for effectiveness). I guess what's frustrating in this situation is that there really is no way for the losing spinner to do any better cuz they already handed in a perfect video, in that style. But I think that what makes a spinner greater is that you're one defining your style and you don't let your style define you, in the sense that you can push yourself and push what your style is to a greater level. In other words, even if the limit, the ideal of a style is well defined, you can push that and go through another dimension.

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Caras vs Eriror: Caras' video is my least favourite of him of the three rounds. I think it is very much lacking in content. I think the execution is good but when you watch the video, by the middle of the video you already feel like it's dragging. It's really nothing outstanding. On the other hand, I like Eriror's video a lot more, it packs more punch. It shows very beautiful technique on the left hand, the transition doesn't feel tacky at all and the combo flows really well. Very nice ending too. It's a shame for the error at :09 though. -> Eriror, without too much trouble.

ChauTran vs Dongza: I hate to say this, but the quality of the video is going to kill Chau. There is basically absolutely no way to determine how smooth he is and if he makes any error in his video, because small glitches could occur in between the choppy frames. That means you can only evaluate his speed, structure, difficulty and choice of tricks. Unfortunately, there's pretty much nothing that Chau does that Dongza doesn't do. Their combos are actually very comparable. Chau did an extra bakfall, but that's hardly a game breaker. So logically... -> Dongza, similar combos, better quality.

Stuhl vs Minwoo: Great battle. I like Stuhl's ideas in this combo, especially the isolation t.pass and the 2-handed catch. But to me Minwoo is on another level in terms of difficulty and linkage. I'm a big fan of spin transfers and Minwoo shows us he is a master at them. My main criticism of Minwoo in past rounds was his sloppy execution. This is not the case here and I think that's because he slightly toned down his difficulty and 2-handed passages to allow better execution. This makes his combo look better. I also liked the hand gesture at :07. It's as if he's pinching the pen to go downward, which it does. It's like he's pulling a string. To me that introduces the concept of "off-pen spinning": "what to do with your non-spinning hand that can enhance the effect of the combo, without even touching the pen". At :21 I'm not sure if his hand is actually any use though, because the rotation is stopped by the index of the right hand. Also I think it would have looked better if there was one more rotation when the pen is transfered to the palm of the left hand at :22 -> Minwoo.

Taeryong vs wcy: To be honest, I wasn't expected much from Taeryong and indeed he met my expectations. Taeryong never showed that he could shift his gear into another level when the situation demands for it: he spins at the same good level regardless. He's the master of a style that focus smoothness and beautiful linkages over difficulty, complex structure and creativity. wcy showed us something totally off-the-wall and I think it was a risky move. Considering that his opponent is very predictable, I think he should have gone with a more standard combo with great difficulty and creativity and that should have been enough to defeat Taeryong. Instead he chose to do some full body spinning with juggling elements, this is certainly a bold move. I can see how judges can fault him for using juggling though: since it is technically not pen spinning, they could choose to just ignore it and that wastes him precious seconds. However, I believe there is a way to look at it from a pen spinning perspective: think of each throw as an aerial trick and the juggling effect comes from the fact that you execute and catch those tricks with precise timing. The problem however is that you realize that as a trick, those simple throws have very little value. Therefore, it would have been more convincing if wcy actually used real pen spinning tricks to launch those pens in aerial while juggling them at the same time. That would certainly be a spectacular and difficult feat to perform. As for the combo itself, I think it was enjoyable, a couple of nice fullbody tricks (although they have been used in the past), didn't like the error at :16, the ending is kinda missed cuz he repositions his hands in front of him. So I think it's an average combo with one new element which is juggling, and I can see judges argue it's not pen spinning. -> I'm gonna give this one to wcy anyway, Taeryong just can't keep doing the same level at this point. He's gotta step up and he doesn't.

Fratleym vs ssEno: Well I thought this was going to be a controversial battle, but I don't think it will, because Fratleym dominates here. The main problem with Fratleym was his smoothness and it's really good here. The only fault is at :18 but I think that if you were going to make a mistake, that's actually the best place to do it, so it minimizes its impact. It also gives his combo a rather humorous look, especially combined with the trick that follows at :18. The combo itself is great though, love the way it's structued, the fingercross, the hybrids... I didn't like the ending so much though, seems to be lacking power. ssEno could have really benefitted from making his video on-screen. It really hurts him that some of his key tricks are being cut and make them less noticeable. For example, take a look at the counter-swivel at :15. It's a thing of beauty but it's off-screen. The general impression I get when watching this video is that ssEno is too eager. It's like he's trying too hard. He knows his opponent very creative so that pulled ssEno out of hims comfort zone and made him do things he is not comfortable with. For example, the hand-waving motion at :11 looks terribly awkward. It looks like he stopped his combo and forgot what he's supposed to do, so he does this little thing to get back on track. The finger rolling is good, but again off-screen. -> Fratleym, very confident.

Answer vs Skonix: This isn't much of a battle as well, Answer wins this easily. I don't think he went full speed in this one though. Some sections feel a bit spammy. It seems like he decided to develop the "sword slashing" gestures he introduced in round 1 and that's fine, but at some point it gets a bit excessive. Love the ending though, and there's a mistake at :09 (uneven rotation). Skonix's combo is very plain IMO. The shaking cam is a minus, but not as much as being offscreen so it's not so bad. I kinda like the fast direction changes at the beginning and the wiper part until the end. But overall, it's not so memorable... -> Answer

s777 vs Spinnerpeem: Tough battle... I said before this battle that s777 had a greater potential than peem, but that it would take him more effort to get there, whereas peem can quickly raise his level, although his ceiling is lower. This battle proves me just that. Spinnerpeem makes a video which is basically an even better version of his two older videos, without introducting anything new. It's just even more busts and big power moves. You could even argue that this video is not as smooth as the others (noticeable error on :18). In fact this error kills his momentum a little bit and I don't think he managed to pull off the ending he would have liked. s777's video is the best he's done so far IMO. Great mastery of both hands, nice difficulty, nice linkage and insane finish. Now if you look at the finish carefully, it's actually not "that" hard, but it's just the way he moves his hand makes it really hot. The fact that he spins really slow before also helps. What I don't like about s777 however is the structure of his combo. It feels like the combo is disjointed, like he tried to jam two ideas that didn't fit. He starts off the bakfall on the left hand, but it seems totally isolated from what follows. My only explaination is that s777 might not be as proficient on the bakfall 1.5 as he wish, therefore he chose to put it at the beginning such that if he fails, he only has to redo the bakfall instead of the whole combo. This will dock him off effectiveness points. I think he needs to work making a combo that flows together. Nevertheless... > advantage to s777, huge combo but spinnerpeem winning is also likely.

gollumsk8 vs Supawit127: ahh, gollumsk8 has my favourite combo this round. Superb organization, each idea is linked to one another beautifully, the triangle pass 123 is just awesome, so is the counter sequence before it, and the triangle pass gives a lot of momentum for a nice finish. Great combo. Supawit127 also has a insane combo. IMO, he is the best thai spinner in this competition. Amazing difficulty, great power moves and some tricks that just seem physically impossible. However you can still argue that, like Spinnerpeem, all he's doing is perfecting a style without pushing it deeper... the question then is it enough to just content yourself to perfect the style... cuz it's a damn good one. > I give the edge to gollumsk8, love his combo, but supawit127 winning shouldn't come as a surprise.

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Heva

Date: Mon, Mar 16 2009 04:55:07

i re-read my predictions and yours and found out we have had the same predictions.....except for the last as it is quite tough to choose between 2

why i gave my choice to supawit is probably because of their colour themes....gollumsk's colour scheme does not appeal much...probably because of the pink..

SJ

Date: Mon, Mar 16 2009 05:30:08

QUOTE (Heva @ Mar 15 2009, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

i re-read my predictions and yours and found out we have had the same predictions.....except for the last as it is quite tough to choose between 2

why i gave my choice to supawit is probably because of their colour themes....gollumsk's colour scheme does not appeal much...probably because of the pink..

and just plain white & black appeals to you?
sleep(1).gif

Heva

Date: Mon, Mar 16 2009 05:47:58

QUOTE (SJ @ Mar 16 2009, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

and just plain white & black appeals to you?
sleep(1).gif

not really...but just that i felt his pink had blended into the background and make it a little hard to see...alright that is in my opinion..not to make any offences...if you felt offended i would erase it

bleh my phrasing and words are making no sense the more i read it..X(

Fratleymãƒ¡FS

Date: Mon, Mar 16 2009 08:00:52

QUOTE

Fratleym vs ssEno: Well I thought this was going to be a controversial battle, but I don't think it will, because Fratleym dominates here. The main problem with Fratleym was his smoothness and it's really good here. The only fault is at :18 but I think that if you were going to make a mistake, that's actually the best place to do it, so it minimizes its impact. It also gives his combo a rather humorous look, especially combined with the trick that follows at :18. The combo itself is great though, love the way it's structued, the fingercross, the hybrids... I didn't like the ending so much though, seems to be lacking power. ssEno could have really benefitted from making his video on-screen. It really hurts him that some of his key tricks are being cut and make them less noticeable. For example, take a look at the counter-swivel at :15. It's a thing of beauty but it's off-screen. The general impression I get when watching this video is that ssEno is too eager. It's like he's trying too hard. He knows his opponent very creative so that pulled ssEno out of hims comfort zone and made him do things he is not comfortable with. For example, the hand-waving motion at :11 looks terribly awkward. It looks like he stopped his combo and forgot what he's supposed to do, so he does this little thing to get back on track. The finger rolling is good, but again off-screen. -> Fratleym, very confident.

Thanks for the comment man, I'm not as sure as you of my winning but well.

I also wanted to say that I read your predictions and analysis with a lot of pleasure, you're definitely one of the only old spinner who can have this double point of view about old school style and new. you really manage to sort the best of the combos without misreading the worst.

good job

PS: I would like to say my predictions but as I'm one concerned, would be crap for sure ^^

i.suk.at.everything

Date: Mon, Mar 16 2009 08:19:21

tbh i expected something crazy/amazing from peem and s777. why they held back against each other i don't know...

when i first saw s777's vid i thought...oh peem can own him if he wants to >__>

if i'd seen peem's vid first i would've thought the same thing =="

leaning towards s777, will be a pretty close battle probably. doubt either one will get highest score this round, will probably be supawit this time.

chau's bad camera quality is likely to make him lose

predictions: Eriror, Dongza, Minwoo, wcy, Fratleym, Answer, s777 (least sure of this one), supawit127

pongpong

Date: Mon, Mar 16 2009 11:08:32

peem was filming from night till morning, by night i mean like 11 or so, he had some difficulty

i was a little disappointed with s777's combo, as i know he can do much more

JSH

Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 02:22:26

I was so disappointed at Taeryong vid...
12 seconds?!?!?
His last round videos were short as well, but I was really really expecting more

Zombo

Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 03:06:53

through my limited knowledge of him, i've never seen taeryong spin more than 20s... EVER

why would you expect anything more, he doesn't seem to have any killer instinct to step up when needed, he's just really consistent, for the better and the worse.

hoiboy

Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 03:18:39

Caras was really nothing special... standard Korean spinning... nothing flashy, like he used up all his energy in rounds 1 and 2 and running on empty right now...

Taeryong was also the same... just he seems to be performing at the same level, not stepping up his game.

Spinnerpeem was really disappointing. Just the same old busts, endings, and mini-combos.

Chautran: WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED WITH THE VIDEO?

wcy: I dunno... it seems like he ran out of stuff to show off so he resorts to stuff that doesn't really impress in a PEN SPINNING competition.

Fratleymãƒ¡FS

Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 07:28:05

QUOTE

through my limited knowledge of him, i've never seen taeryong spin more than 20s... EVER

why would you expect anything more, he doesn't seem to have any killer instinct to step up when needed, he's just really consistent, for the better and the worse.

would have been the same impression if Romain had participated... They both are master of the style they invented, what else could you to them. I mean thay have done so much, I understand your being disappointed but he brought so much to the notion of style in penspinning that I can't really blame him for doing what he's good for, even if it's not always surprising.

Zombo

Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 13:24:00

I'm not disappointed, this is exactly what I expected.

I also wrote in my analysis:

QUOTE

Some of the judging decisions have to be extremely difficult because you basically have someone a master of his style against someone who's a master of his other style. Comparing styles is always controversial, but some styles favor smoothness, other difficulty, other creativity, so inevitably it will enter in the equation if the effectiveness is equal (meaning they're both using their own style perfectly = 10/10 for effectiveness). I guess what's frustrating in this situation is that there really is no way for the losing spinner to do any better cuz they already handed in a perfect video, in that style. But I think that what makes a spinner greater is that you're one defining your style and you don't let your style define you, in the sense that you can push yourself and push what your style is to a greater level. In other words, even if the limit, the ideal of a style is well defined, you can push that and go through another dimension.

Fratleymãƒ¡FS

Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 13:28:59

ok I perfectly understand your point of view though

Raem

Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 12:42:38

QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 17 2009, 05:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

through my limited knowledge of him, i've never seen taeryong spin more than 20s... EVER

why would you expect anything more, he doesn't seem to have any killer instinct to step up when needed, he's just really consistent, for the better and the worse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsvhwTMNBF0
It's over 20s even if not counting that fl fake double spam in beginning

Erirornal Kraione

Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 19:31:49

QUOTE (Charlie @ Mar 15 2009, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Caras vs Eriror (Hard to decide. I really enjoy watching Caras's vids. He really knows how to build a combo, great structure. Although I do prefer his 2 rounds over this one. Eriror's was also quite nice. Good 1p2h stuff going on. Left handed finisher was nice. Tough choice. Seems like both spinners are also running out of material.)

Pretty decent analysis overall, but why are you saying it seems we're running out of material? The only thing I actually copied from the last rounds was the NeoBak 2.0 Fall. And wait just a second. *watches video again* What makes you think that I'm running out of material, seriously? Sure, I use a couple of hybrids I used before [however, not in the WT], but I did a couple of new things too. Afraid I'm drying up that easily?

Dark Angel-REX

Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 03:47:01

wow wcy's spinning was really creative

Charlie

Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 04:06:53

QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ Mar 18 2009, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Pretty decent analysis overall, but why are you saying it seems we're running out of material? The only thing I actually copied from the last rounds was the NeoBak 2.0 Fall. And wait just a second. *watches video again* What makes you think that I'm running out of material, seriously? Sure, I use a couple of hybrids I used before [however, not in the WT], but I did a couple of new things too. Afraid I'm drying up that easily?

Haha, maybe it was because it seems like a lot of other spinners are running out of material. I notice a lot of repeats in other spinners.

We'll see what you've got next round, eh?

Dark Angel-REX

Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 04:34:01

QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ Mar 19 2009, 04:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Pretty decent analysis overall, but why are you saying it seems we're running out of material? The only thing I actually copied from the last rounds was the NeoBak 2.0 Fall. And wait just a second. *watches video again* What makes you think that I'm running out of material, seriously? Sure, I use a couple of hybrids I used before [however, not in the WT], but I did a couple of new things too. Afraid I'm drying up that easily?

It think it has to do with your styles. Yes, the only combo you copied was NeoBak 2.0s (and of course fingerarounds but as a necessity), but obviously the style is the same. Maybe that is why he said you look like you are doing the same thing.

The combo was sexy though. NJ. Like I can do any of those.

Charlie

Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 17:32:06

QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Mar 18 2009, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It think it has to do with your styles. Yes, the only combo you copied was NeoBak 2.0s (and of course fingerarounds but as a necessity), but obviously the style is the same. Maybe that is why he said you look like you are doing the same thing.

The combo was sexy though. NJ. Like I can do any of those.

Nah, I've just watched too many of Eri's vids, so I know what mini-combos he tends to use.

AyySoLo

Date: Fri, Mar 20 2009 00:11:09

can't wait to see the results

Sian_ing

Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 08:07:52

im surprised no one is making noise about the results -.-

Heva

Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 09:22:22

QUOTE (Sian_ing @ Mar 22 2009, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

im surprised no one is making noise about the results -.-

you are wrong...18 hours ago almost all were asking for the results and eriror "calmed" us down XD

Erirornal Kraione

Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 14:35:26

QUOTE (Sian_ing @ Mar 22 2009, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

im surprised no one is making noise about the results -.-

We're used to this by now. He might as well put on the website: "Results will be released Monday."

Sian_ing

Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 14:58:30

QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ Mar 22 2009, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

We're used to this by now. He might as well put on the website: "Results will be released Monday."

and you're sure they'll be out by then?

AyySoLo

Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 15:18:59

yeah, we are used to this now.....wut can we do, right?...

Eric

Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 16:47:00

IMO, s777's and spinnerpeem's battle was really anti-climatic.

to think about it, s777 combo isn't really that new or special, he did a 2p2h bakfall 1.5 in his wc08 r2 video (except for pinkybak, that was 1.0). There were the hybrids and visually appealing finisher, but that was all.

spinnerpeem's combo had the usual aerial busts, lots of fingerless fingerarounds, and I expected a really nice combo + finisher, but although it was difficult, it wasn't enough to *wow* me.

I think s777 might win this battle.

wcy's combo had too many TF charges. the juggling at the beginning seemed a bit out of place, and I think he should have stayed away from doing TF charge > FL TA rev after almost every aerial. I liked his r1 and r2 combos better. Taeryong's combo was fun to watch, it was short and simple. I don't know who's going to win that battle though...

Wind

Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 17:02:42

I say wcy will win his battle. reminds me of PS-728

ZiPH

Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 20:59:49

i dont think peem will win but i hope he does

shonenbatman

Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 21:07:54

QUOTE (Eric @ Mar 22 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

IMO, s777's and spinnerpeem's battle was really anti-climatic.

to think about it, s777 combo isn't really that new or special, he did a 2p2h bakfall 1.5 in his wc08 r2 video (except for pinkybak, that was 1.0). There were the hybrids and visually appealing finisher, but that was all.

spinnerpeem's combo had the usual aerial busts, lots of fingerless fingerarounds, and I expected a really nice combo + finisher, but although it was difficult, it wasn't enough to *wow* me.

I think s777 might win this battle.

QUOTE (shonenbatman @ Mar 13 2009, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ehhh i don't see why there this so much hype for the s777 and peem battle
"don't believe the hype"

/obliviouss

what did i say...

Eric

Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 21:25:16

QUOTE (shonenbatman @ Mar 22 2009, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

what did i say...

well, there both spinners that bring a lot of *wow*, so I'm sure many people expected a lot from them

CrAsH

Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 08:46:11

Hey Guys,

Sorry for this delay, just waiting on the last judge.

tobicaster

Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 16:25:24

And where is the judge? Just disappearing is kinda scary^^

Stuhl

Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 19:22:35

...
spinners have to be in time...

judges ALSO have to be in time...

so come on judge, a bit more discipline would be great.
this is the WT09 and not just a little mini tournament.

chaos

Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 19:26:49

Stuhls right if a spinner for the WT was 24+ hrs late it would he unacceptable

Gildor

Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 19:27:00

Totally agree with Stuhl. Stuhl +1.
Come on guys, this is irresponsible :/

AyySoLo

Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 19:37:45

we need more reliable judges

Gorgos

Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 21:27:58

why can't you decide, that results from judges are only valid before the defined date?

Stuhl

Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 21:33:07

hm
imo that would'nt be fair for the spinner.
maybe a judge who wasn't in time is the important last point for one spinner.
...

oh come on...

this one judge takes so much time... for the spinners the deadline gets shorter and shorter, because i think it will nevertheless be on next next saturday...

the main problem is, that no spinner can be sure wheter he has to keep on making a combo or can stop spinning for this WT...

edit: yeah, zombo, of course, you are right, it's never wasted time to work on a combo. but nevertheless it's useful to know the result before starting a new combo. the way you create your combo is just another way, when you know that you are in the next round.

Zombo

Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 21:36:27

crash checks his computer maybe 2 times per day.

I think the judge really should have at least turned his score this morning before crash checked his computer, but for now it doesn't matter whether the judge turned the results now or 10 hours ago, crash won't see it until he's back home OR tomorrow morning at around 9am in UK.

you should keep spinning regardless of results, if you didn't pass, then you can always use the combo for something else, it is never a waste to work on a combo.

melvenorc12

Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 21:49:15

who are the judges? just curious.

Zombo

Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 22:17:57

QUOTE (melvenorc12 @ Mar 23 2009, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

who are the judges? just curious.

only crash knows

JacobÃ¤

Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 01:05:45

QUOTE (Stuhl @ Mar 23 2009, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

hm
imo that would'nt be fair for the spinner.
maybe a judge who wasn't in time is the important last point for one spinner.
...

oh come on...

this one judge takes so much time... for the spinners the deadline gets shorter and shorter, because i think it will nevertheless be on next next saturday...

the main problem is, that no spinner can be sure wheter he has to keep on making a combo or can stop spinning for this WT...

edit: yeah, zombo, of course, you are right, it's never wasted time to work on a combo. but nevertheless it's useful to know the result before starting a new combo. the way you create your combo is just another way, when you know that you are in the next round.

I don't think the spinners actually use the given time well. I heard so many people saying "oh, i stayed overnight recording" or "i'm filming for 7 hours". If they used the 2 weeks properly i think they should record combos all the week, and then chose the best.
But unfortunately at least it seems this doesn't happen.

Zombo

Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 01:20:00

QUOTE (JacobÃ¤ @ Mar 23 2009, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't think the spinners actually use the given time well. I heard so many people saying "oh, i stayed overnight recording" or "i'm filming for 7 hours". If they used the 2 weeks properly i think they should record combos all the week, and then chose the best.
But unfortunately at least it seems this doesn't happen.

cuz ppl are busy during the week...

1st weekend: plan your combo, improve your combo, work on difficult parts, do some camera/angle tests...

2nd weekend: film the real thing.

TEK

Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 03:55:52

lol you would think....
minwoo actually filmed if i can remember...like 16 hours..something ridiculous like that.
he told me for his 3rd round, it ONLY took him 7 or so ..

Tatemichi

Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 04:43:24

lol it ONLY~~ took him 7 hours.

JC

Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 04:51:25

that's nothign compared to the 50-60 hours that eriror has spent filming during the WC08 sleep(1).gif

Stuhl

Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 08:56:41

QUOTE

I don't think the spinners actually use the given time well. I heard so many people saying "oh, i stayed overnight recording" or "i'm filming for 7 hours". If they used the 2 weeks properly i think they should record combos all the week, and then chose the best.
But unfortunately at least it seems this doesn't happen.

hm, well, maybe some doesn't...

but i do.

i mean, we are humans! i'm in my final year of school, i have a girlfriend, i have social contacts...

so, i have maybe some hours a day and nearly the whole sunday (but i think filming 10 hours at one step isn't very efficient, because you really get tired)
and if you wanna make a really good combo, you need to set your limit higher than you are. so, you maybe try to do tricks which you actually can't do (or maybe just 10% or 20%).
the costs you pay for this is time

so, i really need the time for a good combo.

it's not the case, that we have 24 hours every day... it's just a hobby

but let's stop this, and wait for the results =)

Huy

Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 09:15:03

QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 23 2009, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

crash checks his computer maybe 2 times per day.

I think the judge really should have at least turned his score this morning before crash checked his computer, but for now it doesn't matter whether the judge turned the results now or 10 hours ago, crash won't see it until he's back home OR tomorrow morning at around 9am in UK.

Crash just checked his computer a couple of minutes ago and he told me that he still didn't get the last results.
I understand that participants are very discontent because of this delay but what if the last judge got seriously injured or so?

~Huy

Stuhl

Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 10:21:08

hm, but then he could say something to crash or inform us.

i don't really think that he got so seriously injured that he isn't able to write some words to crash.

Zombo

Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 14:03:28

arghhhhhh

well I just hope there wasn't any mail delivery problem or that Crash didn't see an email cuz that has happened a lot in the past, that's the worst cuz then the judge will think he already sent.

P@sc@l

Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 14:10:18

If I would be crash, I would handle it as he also handles it with the spinners at wt:

The spinner who doesn't give a clip to crash looses the match, and the judge who doesn't give up his results becomes unimportant for this round. So we do not have to wait for the results -.-

Raem

Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 15:36:55

hmm... unimportant? Dude, this is world tournament. Winners can't be based on one mans opinion. There must be another sulution...

gollumsk8

Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 17:14:43

sure, : for exemple, if i loose this round, i'll say or think, "arrg, if the last judge had sent the result, maybe i'll win..." ect

we must wait the judge for this round, but after this round, maybe we can change this judge, because it's the 2nd time that he is late (if it's the same judge who was late at the 1st round of course^^).

this round took me 6min to make my vid on videox) of course more time to think of "what trick i'll use?" ^^

round 2 = 4-6 hours, don't remember, this round was pain >___<

r1 : 30min

Fratleymãƒ¡FS

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 07:30:53

there's only 5 judges this time so each of them is pretty important
We need him

pongpong

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 08:59:09

where i live its wednesday, LOL

CNstar

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 09:31:18

crash should find more judges in next year

Sian_ing

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 11:29:07

QUOTE (CNstar @ Mar 25 2009, 04:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

crash should find more judges in next year

more judges = more chances of delay??

Stuhl

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 11:52:35

hm
we need not more judges,
we need more responsible judges...

and if there was really an email problem... hm, why doesn't the judge recognize that?!? is it really someone who never checks UPSB?

Awesome

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 12:50:38

QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 24 2009, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

arghhhhhh

well I just hope there wasn't any mail delivery problem or that Crash didn't see an email cuz that has happened a lot in the past, that's the worst cuz then the judge will think he already sent.

Shouldn't crash be nagging the last judge at this point?

Zombo

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 13:54:57

we haven't been able to contact the last judge for the last few days, the guy either is super busy / on vacation / internet down...

so we're gonna look for another judge now.

Resonance

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 14:00:19

QUOTE (Stuhl @ Mar 25 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

and if there was really an email problem... hm, why doesn't the judge recognize that?!? is it really someone who never checks UPSB?

I gotta agree about that... even if he doesn't visit UPSB, he probably visits his own board, and they're probably talking about that as well...

pongpong

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 14:21:18

QUOTE (Resonance @ Mar 25 2009, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I gotta agree about that... even if he doesn't visit UPSB, he probably visits his own board, and they're probably talking about that as well...

yea, but we still don't know if he is a pser or just a street guy, lol

i think that, if he's not like an adult and still in school, there's a good chance of him like being grounded

LOL

ps. these are crazy ideas of mine, the make no sense whatsoever

Erirornal Kraione

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 14:30:39

I'll be the replacement judge.

Haha, well.. I really hope this gets settled soon, I make my combos with my opponent in mind, so I need to know who it is in order to have a certain chance.

pongpong

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 14:46:34

QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ Mar 25 2009, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'll be the replacement judge.

Haha, well.. I really hope this gets settled soon, I make my combos with my opponent in mind, so I need to know who it is in order to have a certain chance.

R u still in school? lol if ur the replacement won't u be partial to UPSB? nvm i'm sure u r a fair judge

but! did crash approve yet, or you just said that on a whim hoping that u might actually get it xD

Sian_ing

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 15:01:47

a competitor being a judge is so freaking unrealistic

Zombo

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 15:03:47

QUOTE (pongpong @ Mar 25 2009, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

R u still in school? lol if ur the replacement won't u be partial to UPSB? nvm i'm sure u r a fair judge

but! did crash approve yet, or you just said that on a whim hoping that u might actually get it xD

...

it was obviously a joke.

PSArcher

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 15:10:05

There should be some unfairness in judging system.

Since all judges are penspinners(arent they?), they gotta belong to some board or used to belong to some board. They will give more preference to the spinners from their board.

Outsmash

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 15:35:52

QUOTE (PSArcher @ Mar 25 2009, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

There should be some unfairness in judging system.

Since all judges are penspinners(arent they?), they gotta belong to some board or used to belong to some board. They will give more preference to the spinners from their board.

..Which is why they pick only 5 judges out of the thousands that spin pens.

UPSB v3

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