UPSB v3
Philosophy / JEB spinners VS. other spinners
is there an observable general unique style?
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Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 06:15:04
JEB members seem to have smooth, flowing combos compared to the more controlled and slower appearance to other presentations.
Opinions?
1. as Dark Angel- Rex and TEK (and others) says, JEB has different and distinct styles compared to other regions
2. PLZ PPL, the discussion is not racism and biased opinions
3. I've looked at a few more collabs from KPSA, JEB, Swespin, FPSB, and others. From those, I really can say that JEB collabs have smoother, faster, and flowing combos. I'm also able to say that other combos are more controlled and slower since other boards (swespin particularly) have combos that are a bit slower combined with tricks that require more control and concentration. -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 06:58:53
are you saying that nonJapanese people cant spin "smooth" or "flowing" ? Thats a very onesided, biased opinion youre making.
Youre saying the japanese people are jsut born better spinners? That they are naturally "better" than other nationalities?
And the other nationalities have "mechanical spinning" ? So they all look the same, have no individuality, do the same tricks, same styles? I havent seen that.
The styles of for example, Pyralux, are smooth and flowing yet he is not japanese which in your opinion is not possible. And his style is not "mechanical" neither is it a common one.
Shadow isnt japanese yet i think he has one of the smoothest styles. Answer isnt japanese either yet i love his style and the flow of his combos. Im not a Frat fan, but some people admire his unique style and concepts. Hes not japanese either.QUOTEOpinions?
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Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 09:11:09QUOTE (Baaron @ Mar 17 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>are you saying that nonJapanese people cant spin "smooth" or "flowing" ? Thats a very onesided, biased opinion youre making.
Youre saying the japanese people are jsut born better spinners? That they are naturally "better" than other nationalities?
And the other nationalities have "mechanical spinning" ? So they all look the same, have no individuality, do the same tricks, same styles? I havent seen that.
The styles of for example, Pyralux, are smooth and flowing yet he is not japanese which in your opinion is not possible. And his style is not "mechanical" neither is it a common one.
Shadow isnt japanese yet i think he has one of the smoothest styles. Answer isnt japanese either yet i love his style and the flow of his combos. Im not a Frat fan, but some people admire his unique style and concepts. Hes not japanese either.
Youre racist .___.
STOP ANTI THOSE JAPANESE ... if you think he is onesided as I read its you that onesided ._. , did he say that other countries suck ? no ? ... please .. just open your heart and listen to other opinions and don't try to mix things that other people say yourself , ask them first
As I can see , JEBs have their own way to learn and practice , which we don't know how
don't your notice that everyday , new & unknown spinners of JEB are just rising and getting famous ? what about us ? most of us already spinning over a year and they still better than us , most of us usually go to JEB and borrow their tactics right ?
but duh .. Japan is a really weird country and they got weird culture also. -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 09:29:50
maybe JEb actually cares about spinning more than upsb
-if i was onesided which side does it look like i stand on? -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 12:55:48QUOTE (GSkyrunner @ Mar 17 2009, 05:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>did he say that other countries suck ? no ? ...QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 17 2009, 02:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>JEB members seem to actually have smooth, flowing combos while all others seem to have a mechanical appearance to their presentation.
err.....
well....
he didn't say that the other countries "suck" but baaron wasn't proving that they didn't "suck" either... baaron was just proving the point that spinners from other countries can also have smooth, flowing combos
-by saying "JEB members seem to actually have smooth, flowing comes WHILE all others" implies that all others do not have smooth, flowing combos
-Baaron was just proving that those all others can still have smooth flowing combos, and aren't generically all the same (as implied by mechanical) as given by his examples -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 13:35:29
@op
i think you need to start watching more non-Japanese videos. seems like a opinion generated from limited experience.
in fact you don't have to look very far from Japan to be already proven wrong, go watch some Korean videos. -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 15:38:56QUOTE (GSkyrunner @ Mar 17 2009, 05:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>but duh .. Japan is a really weird country and they got weird culture also.
uh..?
anyways
@spindempens: i agree with zombo, go look up some korean guys. they have some of the best spinners out there. also thai spinners are pretty crazy, spinnerpeem, supawit127, tonnam, etc. now lets go to europe, eriror, pyralux, s777 (have you been watching the world tournament at all? o.O) blahblahblah the list will go on forever. -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 16:01:55
i agree with: JEB > all
I've the feeling JEB is the only community, where the style is less important than the skill.
Not all JEB Member can do mass Bust, TAS, Midbacks etc.,
but if you see Toro, Ayatori, Seven and so on, their spinning Style is so visiually appealing,
that you feel that it's just better than the Spinning from any participant of the WT.
There are also some Member from other Community with a great Style like BaoO, Skonix or Neophine,
but all in all the percentage of Spinners with a good Style is in JEB the highest. -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 16:28:05QUOTE (mhig @ Mar 17 2009, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>uh..?
I mean like most of japanese aren't friendly to foreigners at all .. only few do , I guess that because they hate English
Some of them like , I said "Hi[his name here], I'm your fanclub" and then BOOM !! HE BLOCKED ME
or maybe just "I'm very busy, really very very busy"
._. T_T
>,< Y_Y
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Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 16:35:54QUOTE (GSkyrunner @ Mar 17 2009, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I mean like most of japanese aren't friendly to foreigners at all .. only few do , I guess that because they hate English
Some of them like , I said "Hi[his name here], I'm your fanclub" and then BOOM !! HE BLOCKED ME
or maybe just "I'm very busy, really very very busy"
._. T_T >,< Y_Y
maybe he thought you were annoying, maybe he already has too many suck ups on msn,
you are over generalizing japanese people, thats stereotyping.
stop now, YOU open your heart and listen
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Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 16:41:22
well asians do have smooth hands so i think asians do have a better start but they also need to practice
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Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 16:43:20QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 17 2009, 02:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>JEB members seem to actually have smooth, flowing combos while all others seem to have a mechanical appearance to their presentation.
Opinions?
Are you talking about the general trend for JEB to pull out very stylized spinners, where as other communities focus more on technical difficulty of combos? -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 16:49:57QUOTE (Awesome @ Mar 17 2009, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Are you talking about the general trend for JEB to pull out very stylized spinners, where as other communities focus more on technical difficulty of combos?
maybe i should move to jeb...
i never really cared about difficulty...
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Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 16:50:49
i thought we were tlaking about the comparison between JEB spinners and other spinners.
Not if they block you on msn or not.... -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 19:27:55QUOTE (Awesome @ Mar 17 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Are you talking about the general trend for JEB to pull out very stylized spinners, where as other communities focus more on technical difficulty of combos?
nao theres a better response...
Im trying to talk about how JEB styles have combos that have tricks they can easily control while others can replicate the same combo but with a slower, less controlled appearance.
@zombo & mhig: I've seen them b4, but their control over their spinning is a little slower and their combos, though varied, is not as wild as JEB combos -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 19:46:28QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 17 2009, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>nao theres a better response...
Im trying to talk about how JEB styles have combos that have tricks they can easily control while others can do the same but with a slower, less controlled appearance.
@zombo & mhig: I've seen them b4, but their control over their spinning is a little slower and their combos, though varied, is not as wild as JEB combos
but thats how they want to spin. everyone has their own choice of spinning, what you see is only the positive aspects of jeb spinning.
being wild doesn't give them better style. having better control doesn't give them better style. it only appears that way depending on how you look at it. some people, like me, like combos with less hand movement, clearly not jeb. and imo their combos are better controlled. of course this is all personal preference but you should just try and see the positive aspects of psers other then jeb ppl. -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 19:59:47QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 17 2009, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>nao theres a better response...
Im trying to talk about how JEB styles have combos that have tricks they can easily control while others can do the same but with a slower, less controlled appearance.
@zombo & mhig: I've seen them b4, but their control over their spinning is a little slower and their combos, though varied, is not as wild as JEB combos
hmm your choice of word is so poor I can't understand what you're talking about
first of all, what does it mean for control to be slower? speed can be slower, not control. so I guess you mean japanese people have better control???
then you say JEB combos are wild??? wild means no control. -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 22:54:52
my 2 cents:
Korean style spinners are smoother than the Japanese style spinners, people just admire Japanese spinners 'cuz they produced people like Bonkura, Kuzu, SEVEN, etc.
I mean, all 7 spinners from JEB got eliminated in the first 2 rounds of WT09...
I sound retarded. -
Date: Tue, Mar 17 2009 23:18:35
this thread is whack
everything in it
and ty baaron ^^ -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 00:35:14QUOTE (ZeRo @ Mar 17 2009, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i agree with: JEB > all
I've the feeling JEB is the only community, where the style is less important than the skill.
Not all JEB Member can do mass Bust, TAS, Midbacks etc.,
but if you see Toro, Ayatori, Seven and so on, their spinning Style is so visiually appealing,
that you feel that it's just better than the Spinning from any participant of the WT.
There are also some Member from other Community with a great Style like BaoO, Skonix or Neophine,
but all in all the percentage of Spinners with a good Style is in JEB the highest.
u got that backwards
anyway, this thread is really whack...
jeb spinners do focus alot on style in a way
more than other communities id say
but that doesnt mean they lack difficulty or skill
and it depends on the individuals also
some prefer more style
some prefer more difficulty -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 02:06:24
jeb focuses on style, but as u can c in the WT, style isnt everything
jeb ppl have too much time on their hands (they take spinning alot more seriously then alot of ppl do anyways)
have you ever watched any old school korean(cheukii, nagi, and others)? they are way smoother imo -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 02:07:50
The reason JEB is out in WT is they didn't send any of their pros, its not that JEB isn't a competitive board.
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Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 02:58:23QUOTE (octan3 @ Mar 17 2009, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>jeb focuses on style, but as u can c in the WT, style isnt everything
jeb ppl have too much time on their hands (they take spinning alot more seriously then alot of ppl do anyways)
have you ever watched any old school korean(cheukii, nagi, and others)? they are way smoother imo
1 as awesome said... they shouldve sent the better spinners
2 generalization... maybe they use time more efficiently?
3 meh.. that depends. there are smooth jeb spinners
another generalization -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 03:05:11QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 17 2009, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hmm your choice of word is so poor I can't understand what you're talking about
first of all, what does it mean for control to be slower? speed can be slower, not control. so I guess you mean japanese people have better control???
then you say JEB combos are wild??? wild means no control.
... ok well I say slower since some other spinners can replicate the same combos, but have slower response times to link the next trick,
I say JEB spinners have faster combos, which looks like they have better control of their combos,
& I say wild since their combos look like pens flying in a hurricane or tornado or whatever u want to compare it to -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 03:29:19QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 17 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>... ok well I say slower since some other spinners can replicate the same combos, but have slower response times to link the next trick,
I say JEB spinners have faster combos, which looks like they have better control of their combos,
& I say wild since their combos look like pens flying in a hurricane or tornado or whatever u want to compare it to
dude. seriously. not every jeb spinner spins the same.
thats just generalization
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Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 03:32:24
who cares... jeb has their own style, if its smoother then others and cooler looking then fine
im still trying to figure out... are you saying JEB is better then other communities? -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 04:01:42QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 17 2009, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I say JEB spinners have faster combos, which looks like they have better control of their combos,
& I say wild since their combos look like pens flying in a hurricane or tornado or whatever u want to compare it to
You need to look at those korean vids more carefully obviously. Kentai is the only JEB spinner I know that spins fast enough that their pen "looks like a hurricane", or however you want to call it. -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 04:41:13
Im sorry if I really offended anyone. All I'm trying to say is that jeb spinners have a unique style generally
I am not saying that JEB is better than other communities. The opinion im trying to ask about is: what is the general, unique style of JEB spinners.
Boy, when does the day come when everyone accepts everyone else and their opinions?... (never)
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Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 04:52:54QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 18 2009, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Im sorry if I really offended anyone. All I'm trying to say is that jeb spinners have a unique style generally
I am not saying that JEB is better than other communities. The opinion im trying to ask about is: what is the general, unique style of JEB spinners.
Boy, when does the day come when everyone accepts everyone else and their opinions?... (never)
Well.... after your mention of JEB spinners, you used the word "while" which implies that other spinners from other communities don't have smooth flowing combos, that they don't have unique styles
well... if you're going to ask what the general, unique style that JEB members have (as if other communities don't have unique combos that are smooth and are flowing o.0...), then you chose a really poor choice of words in your first post.gif)
well...of course that'll never happen, everyone's different, do you want that to happen or something? differing opinions allows each of us to see different views, different perspectives, and spur discussion
-differing opinions is a good thing, i dunno why you're saying it as if not accepting another person's opinions is a bad thing... it helps create talk and constructive arguments that everyone can learn from
what you were saying though, was hardly an opinion, since there is clear evidence to show that not only JEB members have smooth flowing combos + unique styles.... and from your choice of words, this may have not been what you meant, but this is what your words turned out sounding like by saying that... Jeb members have this and this WHILE all other spinners don't have this and this (in this case, smooth, flowing, unique combos) -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 05:03:36QUOTE (JC @ Mar 17 2009, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well.... after your mention of JEB spinners, you used the word "while" which implies that other spinners from other communities don't have smooth flowing combos, that they don't have unique styles
well... if you're going to ask what the general, unique style that JEB members have (as if other communities don't have unique combos that are smooth and are flowing o.0...), then you chose a really poor choice of words in your first post
well...of course that'll never happen, everyone's different, do you want that to happen or something? differing opinions allows each of us to see different views, different perspectives, and spur discussion
-differing opinions is a good thing, i dunno why you're saying it as if not accepting another person's opinions is a bad thing... it helps create talk and constructive arguments that everyone can learn from
what you were saying though, was hardly an opinion, since there is clear evidence to show that not only JEB members have smooth flowing combos + unique styles.... and from your choice of words, this may have not been what you meant, but this is what your words turned out sounding like by saying that... Jeb members have this and this WHILE all other spinners don't have this and this (in this case, smooth, flowing, unique combos)
I can't believe I failed once again... its been so many tries and I fail again.
I thought I could ask a simple question with simple wording, but no I had to make my posts unclear and have flamers at my tail all the time. I guess I failed the online life... I don't have many friends, many simply push meh away, and nothing really goes well after that...
anyways, I didn't really say I did not want ppl accepting opinions, alot r just flaming mine... -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 09:15:43
i think JEB spinners have a very strong sense of style, combos that appeal very tight and flash, and it encourages the community to evolve in this direction.
Perhaps that is what you were thinking,
i think every community has a uniqueness. For example, FPSB seems to focus on originality (IMO), and THPSC focuses on strong and rapid busts and arounds. These "spinner types"
multiply as each board shares those ideas to each other, giving each board a certain image.
UPSB is probably and logically in the middle, but we haven't had a collab like FPSB 3rd of JaPen 4th to show that off. -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 10:22:47
Guys, chill out. It's good you guys stand up and prove people wrong, but SpinDemPens probably meant that generally, people from JEB has more smoother flowing style. I don't think he really meant "ALL" others sucked or all others aren't smooth. He was just adding words like "EVERYONE" to prove his point. I don't think he actually mean it. Besides, you guys can tell that his English ain't that good.
And like he says, he's not pushing his opinion on us. He's just stating his opinions.
I think there are many styles. We all have different brains, so we all come up with something different.
@GSkyrunner
The comment about how you talked about how Japanese don't like foreigners, are pretty much stereotypical and lame. I'm Japanese. If I don't like foreigners, why would I be here?
I don't think it's that Japanese don't LIKE foreigners. I think it's more like a wall of language and they don't know how to interact with foreigners because they have been living in Japan for too long. Well people might say "well just talk to them", but I guess it isn't as easy as people say to communicate with a person from completely different culture without offending them.
@SpinDemPens
Lol. Online life? Don't worry man. Online life is merely for people sitting on front of a PC who don't have much friends.
Just kidding.
Don't worry. People are just taking your opinion the bad way. Not having so many friends aren't much of a problem. You just have to make few VERY GOOD friends.
Good luck! -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 13:07:23
i think , every style have each positive side and negative side , if u say that only JEB had the unique style ,u R totally wrong.
maybe because they have a fast and smooth movement , but it doesn't mean that they R the one most unique spinners right ?
don't u see eriror , kam , minwoo ?
they R fast and smooth 2 , but they have different style with JEB.
so think once again about every unique specialities from every PS board. =) -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 13:15:47QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Mar 18 2009, 06:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Guys, chill out. It's good you guys stand up and prove people wrong, but SpinDemPens probably meant that generally, people from JEB has more smoother flowing style.
/disagreeQUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Mar 18 2009, 06:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And like he says, he's not pushing his opinion on us. He's just stating his opinions.
As am I.
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Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 13:52:17
Obviously his english isn't as strong as the native speakers here, we shiuldn't try to point out how his english sucks thuogh, not everyone is a native speaker.
Obviously when he mentions an identity like JEB its a generalization, if you look at organizations made out of individuals and you are talking about the organization itself, you have to look at the general trends. So I don't see why people are so adamant in trying to prove the opener wrong because so and so from there has style. From what I've seen JEB focuses a lot on style, more so then other boards, so spindempens has a point. You guys should stop being so hard on him, espcially when he implied a generality by saying JEB.
I find it to be rather interesting how certain boards tend to focus more on certain elements of spinning, I wonder if it has anything to do with the culture considering most boards are nationality base e.g. FPSB is french. -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 15:32:24
It's not that i have bad english, I can't really express anything correctly on this forum w/ out anyone giving comments about how im not clear.
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Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 15:51:52QUOTE (Awesome @ Mar 18 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>From what I've seen JEB focuses a lot on style, more so then other boards, so spindempens has a point.
Orly..
QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 18 2009, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's not that i have bad english, I can't really express anything correctly on this forum w/ out anyone giving comments about how im not clear.
Be more clear then
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Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 18:39:19QUOTE (Awesome @ Mar 18 2009, 05:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I find it to be rather interesting how certain boards tend to focus more on certain elements of spinning, I wonder if it has anything to do with the culture considering most boards are nationality base e.g. FPSB is french.
You bring up an interesting point, Awesome.
JEB's main focus is indeed, style.
THSPC, I've noticed, appears to be influenced by Peem(?). A lot of their combos contain heavy hitting cont tricks.
SweSpin is practically the only board that uses shadows commonly. Very interesting.
A lot of Old School Koreans were style and smoothness, but I'm not sure where the new Koreans are heading, really.
No idea what FPSB focuses on.
Same with UPSB. I, myself, used to focus a lot on creativity and difficulty. To me, style was superficial, but I've come to understand how necessary style is. If you don't look good, then you're no good. Of course, I only represent a very small portion of upsb's spinning. I say, we're still a growing community.
Sorry I got off-topic. :] -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 19:25:47QUOTE (JC @ Mar 18 2009, 09:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Be more clear then
... dats easy for u to say... u have flamers all the time?QUOTE (Charlie @ Mar 18 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sorry I got off-topic. :]
your not very far off... I thought that was a good explanation
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Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 19:40:12
We're not flaming you, we're sharing our opinions. It just happens to be that our opinions differ from yours. It happens. That's what discussions are for. I don't happen to believe that JEB is superior when it comes to style and control. But others seem to think otherwise. It's just a point of view.
FPSB seems to have the widest arsenal of spinners, by the way. Some focus on style, some focus on overall difficulty, and you have a couple of cont persons. However, no Shadows, sadly. -
Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 01:17:18QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 18 2009, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>... dats easy for u to say... u have flamers all the time?
i've had quite a few flaming me when i was just starting off and during my earlier days on upsb..... not anymore though, i just decided to kinda change myself one day =\
sorry for getting off topic ><
but if i'm gonna make a generalization about a certain board having spinners who make really smooth flowing combos, i'd think kpsa > jeb on that.... jeb has a wider variety of styles, but i feel like kpsa spinners are generally more smoother, at least the older korean spinners.... like charlie said, i dunno where the new koreans are headed
but i dont' really think there's any one community that generally has smoother,flowing combos than all the other communities, i'm just saying IF i was to make a generalization, i could see kpsa as a more, i guess, realistic choice over jeb -
Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 03:41:50QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ Mar 19 2009, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We're not flaming you, we're sharing our opinions.
Well true. no one is really flaming him. It's just that SOME people tend to add "Are you retarded or something?" tone to their posts, and it makes SpinDemPens mad I guess, so he considers it a flame. And the thread started like that. I don't deny SpinDemPens for that.
Yea true. I don't really know where Korean went with their spinning. Many guys on there used to be like putting same tricks again and again, if I were to say it with music, like Dragonforce's songs. I'm not using the right words, but they lacked in "creativity". But now, I don't know. Variety of people.
JEB, well they focus a lot on styles. That's very true. And some of them are really really hardcore. maybe that's what SpinDemPens meant by "smooth" and "Flowing". I mean styles of PSing can't really be expressed with words unless you have like the whole Webster Dictionary in your head.
UPSB is very international. People all around the world come here, so all of them have like different styles as you can see them in Collabs organized here.
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Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 06:41:08
hmm
i dont know if countries have to head toward a certain direction
i guess they have trends but spinners are spinners...
hence we have many different spinners on board
some go for style
some go for skill/difficulty
some go for smoothness
etc...
i feel like im repeating my post...
its just that some communities have more of one of those than the others -
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 23:40:12QUOTE (Ever @ Mar 17 2009, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You need to look at those korean vids more carefully obviously.
hmmm
since someone brought up PDS/koreans, what about TWPS? I thought they're trying really hard to be a clone of JEB
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Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 23:43:41QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 22 2009, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hmmm since someone brought up PDS/koreans, what about TWPS? I thought they're trying really hard to be a clone of JEB
only a minority.... -
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 03:34:59QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 22 2009, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hmmm since someone brought up PDS/koreans, what about TWPS? I thought they're trying really hard to be a clone of JEB
wtf? TWPS is not trying to be a clone of JEB. Do some research before you make a hasty assumption. -
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 22:01:19QUOTE (Eric @ Mar 22 2009, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>wtf? TWPS is not trying to be a clone of JEB. Do some research before you make a hasty assumption.
1. I can't really read taiwanese/ traditional chinese characters yet
2. the styles look kind of related -
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 22:36:14QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 23 2009, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>1. I can't really read taiwanese/ traditional chinese characters yet
2. the styles look kind of related
lol no one said u hav to go to twps and experience the board...
u just have to watch their videos -
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 22:45:35
I still say the styles look similar o.O
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Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 02:36:39
just because 2 boards have the same sort of style doesnt mean one is trying to copy the other...
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Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 22:09:40
Anyways, back to the topic....
OK some of u are right that JEB is not the only place for great spinners, but its reputation is more known,QUOTE (JC @ Mar 18 2009, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>but i dont' really think there's any one community that generally has smoother,flowing combos than all the other communities, i'm just saying IF i was to make a generalization, i could see kpsa as a more, i guess, realistic choice over jeb
though JC says that "kpsa" is a better choice than jeb, I have never heard of kpsa while i've heard of JEB when I first started PSing -
Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 22:19:15QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 24 2009, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>though JC says that "kpsa" is a better choice than jeb, I have never heard of kpsa while i've heard of JEB when I first started PSing
lol...are you kidding? it has always been the koreans and japanese leading the scene of penspinning... dunno how you've never heard of kpsa ... (of course nowadays, there are tons more communities that are also around their skill level such as gpc, fpsb, etc...)
-perhaps JEB just makes more collabs? that may be why you heard of jeb when you started psing, but quantity does not mean quality
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Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 00:22:20QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 17 2009, 02:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>JEB members seem to have smooth, flowing combos compared to the more controlled and slower appearance to other presentations.
Opinions?
overall i just think they spin really differently from most communities. otherwise i dont think the majority of us would really love them anymore than others. considering jeb mods are probably the most demanded mods, and their collabs usually get the most replies.
i usually consider their spinning to be less straight forward meaning, they usually dont use the typical linkings/hybrids/direction changes that most of us do. Over that, a lot of them have their own distinguishable style that makes their spinning look different.
as for the cloning/copying...ya japanese spinners are super cool, ya they have weird crazy styles, ya they make a lot of really nice collabs...who wouldn't want to spin like them lol. but thats only individuals. you cant really say a WHOLE community is copying another. but i do kinda see what you are saying, when i first started spinning, i couldn't even tell the difference between kpsa and jeb...after learning more and watching a lot more videos, i could definitely tell who's who. -
Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 01:38:44
well
one thing i want to say
JEB does make ALOT of collabs compared to other communities (not that its bad or anything)
so more spinners are known to people
but kpsa rarely makes collabs so alot of the spinners are just left in the dark
same goes with other communities
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Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 03:43:12
SpinDemPens, just shut up and stop, please.
By making this thread, you just proved how racist you are.
Japanese spinners from JEB all have different goals and work on different things: style, smoothness, difficulty etc.
Yes, there are some spinners who work on the same thing but not the majority just magically start focusing on the same thing.
I also read that you think TWPS is trying to copy JEB.
Go to TWPS, and find me the topic or thread where the spinners are discussing "Let's be like JEB!".
TWPS is another board just like JEB and UPSB. They have their own spinners who think individually.
What I'm trying to get at is do not compare boards or races. If you want to compare smoothness and difficulty, compare it with individual spinnners. -
Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 22:00:00QUOTE (CaliMartinio @ Mar 24 2009, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>SpinDemPens, just shut up and stop, please.
By making this thread, you just proved how racist you are.
... ok if you really want a racist guy, go to south africa....
im not trying to be racist and I can't really read taiwanese / traditional chinese characters like some ppl do...
I'm only comparing on the general presentations I've seen, Twps has presentations that are similar to JEb presentations
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Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 22:10:25QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 25 2009, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm only comparing on the general presentations I've seen, Twps has presentations that are similar to JEb presentations
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Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 17:29:29QUOTE (CaliMartinio @ Mar 25 2009, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>SpinDemPens, just shut up and stop, please.
By making this thread, you just proved how racist you are.
Japanese spinners from JEB all have different goals and work on different things: style, smoothness, difficulty etc.
Yes, there are some spinners who work on the same thing but not the majority just magically start focusing on the same thing.
I also read that you think TWPS is trying to copy JEB.
Go to TWPS, and find me the topic or thread where the spinners are discussing "Let's be like JEB!".
TWPS is another board just like JEB and UPSB. They have their own spinners who think individually.
What I'm trying to get at is do not compare boards or races. If you want to compare smoothness and difficulty, compare it with individual spinnners.
CaliMartinio, just relax. Please. One step further and you are flaming.
He is not a racist. That is for certain. He might be stereotypical, but not racist.
and about JEB spinners. Really? I disagree with you on that one.
But do you know about being "inspired"? people in Japan will most likely join JEB because most of them only know Japanese. That means that they watch JEB collabs a lot, they talk about spinning a lot, and they learn those in JEB. That means many of them will be affected and inspired by the other JEB members. So there will be things that would become somewhat similar. Although, this is only a logical way to think, it's not really supported.
JEB makes a lot of minor collaboration videos, and I watched many of them. I used to be in JEB and I still am watching collabs. And if you have noticed, they do indeed have some sort of similarities. SpinDemPens, I believe, is talking about this. He's not saying that "they all look the same, all copies". He's saying there is certain similarities between most of the JEB members. And I don't deny it.
YES, of course there are people who have different approach like me (in the bad way though) or like Bonkura (in good way). But generally speaking, there are certain similarities.
For example, when I watch a JEB + Something board collaboration vid, I can tell which one is from JEB and which one is from another without being told. So there must be a certain similarity among the people of JEB. You get what I'm saying?
CaliMartino, I know what you are trying to say. Yes. Individual are different. It's impossible that everyone can be the same. I know you are trying to say that individual has its own styles, not just the board.
They way you talk to SpinDemPens looks like you are just looking at him like a retard, and sole reason why SpinDemPens feels he is being flamed. I'm not defending SpinDemPens, but I feel that your attitude toward him isn't really respectable.
Just chillax and then post okay? Cuz I don't want Cold War II here. -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 19:16:08
this thread is basically pointless now
its just opinion vs opinion
and dark angel rex
try to be more succinct
your posts are so long -
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 06:23:56QUOTE (TEK @ Mar 25 2009, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>when i first started spinning, i couldn't even tell the difference between kpsa and jeb...after learning more and watching a lot more videos, i could definitely tell who's who.
then who's who? o.0?., i just want to know more about kpsa and jeb.
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Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 16:16:47QUOTE (SJ @ Mar 28 2009, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>this thread is basically pointless now
its just opinion vs opinion
and dark angel rex
try to be more succinct
your posts are so long
Its hardly a wall of text post, and he was able to contribute thoughtfully to the conversation. It might be longer then the normal length post here, but it is a reasonable length. -
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 17:35:40QUOTE (PenMaster @ Mar 29 2009, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>then who's who? o.0?., i just want to know more about kpsa and jeb.
edit: sorry for going off-topic
there are plenty of ways you can between the two.
of course this list isn't 100% true.
-style of the spinner can indicate if they are Japanese or Korean
-if the spinner has a well known angle and background that you can identify easily.
-what pen they are using.
-obviously if the name of the spinner is in the combo and you know where their from.
-the tricks that they use (seems to me that some forums use more of a particular set of tricks ie. JEB with their air mid/ring around cont trick)
-if the combo vid has Haduri, its USUALLY Korean spinners (maybe not so much anymore lately)
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Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 20:32:53QUOTE (TEK @ Mar 29 2009, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>there are plenty of ways you can between the two.
of course this list isn't 100% true.
-style of the spinner can indicate if they are Japanese or Korean
-if the spinner has a well known angle and background that you can identify easily.
-what pen they are using.
-obviously if the name of the spinner is in the combo and you know where their from.
-the tricks that they use (seems to me that some forums use more of a particular set of tricks ie. JEB with their air mid/ring around cont trick)
-if the combo vid has Haduri, its USUALLY Korean spinners (maybe not so much anymore lately)
The cont air trick is a spread. And yeah, you really can tell if they're from JEB or KPSA from their spinning. JEB uses a lot of a thumb tricks which looks quite nice while KPSA, well..i can't tell where KPSA is going anymore with style actually.
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Date: Tue, Mar 31 2009 06:37:57
i'm sorry. I make things too complicated.
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Date: Tue, Mar 31 2009 15:12:17
a lot of JEB spins with the same style, its awesome but it doesnt mean no1 else can do it
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Date: Tue, Mar 31 2009 22:43:49QUOTE (Pen Ninja @ Mar 31 2009, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>but it doesnt mean no1 else can do it
I is not saying that, I say there is a distinct style, not that no one else can try to use the same style -
Date: Tue, Mar 31 2009 22:51:52QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 31 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I is not saying that, I say there is a distinct style, not that no one else can try to use the same style
good grammar please
Anyways, you've got this all backwards. JEB spinners get their influences from everywhere, and a lot of us are influenced by JEB. They are all unique in their style... like Bonkura is extreme finger dexterity, while Key3, Saizen, Ryo are all well rounded, creative (non-spammy) spinners, and not in the same way. -
Date: Wed, Apr 1 2009 01:04:31QUOTE (hoiboy @ Mar 31 2009, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>good grammar please
They are all unique in their style...
Ok ill type w/ better grammar nao
unique, distinct: synonyms?
boy, they are synonyms according to the dictionary
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Date: Wed, Apr 1 2009 02:37:30QUOTE (hoiboy @ Apr 1 2009, 07:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>good grammar please
Anyways, you've got this all backwards. JEB spinners get their influences from everywhere, and a lot of us are influenced by JEB. They are all unique in their style... like Bonkura is extreme finger dexterity, while Key3, Saizen, Ryo are all well rounded, creative (non-spammy) spinners, and not in the same way.
I disagree.
JEB spinners get their infulences mainly from JEB. They first learn in JEB, and then they go to other places. The root is JEB, so there will be something that would be similar that people can tell if its JEB or other member. A lot of UPSB members are influenced from everywhere though.
Bonkura, yes indeed he is creative and does things we don't think of. But you are just bringing up the special people.
and hoiboy, he doesn't have good grammer. he already said. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 01:47:14QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Mar 31 2009, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>and hoiboy, he doesn't have good grammer. he already said.
LOL
I was just kidding about the bad grammar; I could type as well as I write, or type as good as a hobo on the streetz (what now hobos?)
And like Dark Angel said, their roots are based on JEB styles. If not, how else do most of them have similar mini combos in each presentation? -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 01:55:51
Fine...lets say JEB members do have a generally similar combo because it's true, similar to how there are "korean mini-combos", there are also some very japanese-styled tricks (such as how some JEB spinners do their TF charge rev > FL TA rev / FL TA rev)
but.... going back to the original statement made.....QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 17 2009, 02:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>JEB members seem to have smooth, flowing combos compared to the more controlled and slower appearance to other presentations.
Nothing you guys have said has made me feel that JEB members seem to have smooth, flowing combos COMPARED to the more controlled and slower appearance of other presentations
I still don't think you can make the statement that JEB members are generally more smoother/have more flowing combos. Just as much as you can't say that other spinners from other boards have a generally more controlled/slower combo (RAIMO?? haha) -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 02:03:51QUOTE (JC @ Apr 1 2009, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>but.... going back to the original statement made.....
Nothing you guys have said has made me feel that JEB members seem to have smooth, flowing combos COMPARED to the more controlled and slower appearance of other presentations
I still don't think you can make the statement that JEB members are generally more smoother/have more flowing combos. Just as much as you can't say that other spinners from other boards have a generally more controlled/slower combo (RAIMO?? haha)
I thought REX determined it was due to the difficulty of describing styles especially when you have less than perfect english skills that caused spindempens to incorrectly use the words to describe the style. The discussion is beyond the original statement at this point anyway, thats kind of the point of discussions I think; to develop your thoughts and ideas so they are more refined then what you previously had. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 02:08:52QUOTE (Awesome @ Apr 1 2009, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I thought REX determined it was due to the difficulty of describing styles especially when you have less than perfect english skills that caused spindempens to incorrectly use the words to describe the style. The discussion is beyond the original statement at this point anyway, thats kind of the point of discussions I think; to develop your thoughts and ideas so they are more refined then what you previously had.
Oh... I didn't exactly read through everything o.o... I kinda just skimmed most of it... but spindempens doesn't even have less perfect english skills (as he proves a couple posts above this)
and what's the discussion now then o.0...? cause if this drifts too far away from the original reason this thread was created, the first post needs to have some additions...or another thread should be made, and i'll close this one -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 02:16:34QUOTE (JC @ Apr 1 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Oh... I didn't exactly read through everything o.o... I kinda just skimmed most of it... but spindempens doesn't even have less perfect english skills (as he proves a couple posts above this)
and what's the discussion now then o.0...? cause if this drifts too far away from the original reason this thread was created, the first post needs to have some additions...or another thread should be made, and i'll close this one
Oh lol, I just kinda skimmed over the last few posts XD
IDK you kinda have to read the topic a bit and realize that no one is talking about how JEB is free flowing but more on the topic of how JEB gets a similar style in the board. Its on topic enough to be in this thread IMO. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 02:48:56QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 25 2009, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>... ok if you really want a racist guy, go to south africa....
im not trying to be racist and I can't really read taiwanese / traditional chinese characters like some ppl do...
I'm only comparing on the general presentations I've seen, Twps has presentations that are similar to JEb presentations
Oh yes you are. Racism is the act of judging races with your opinions. Because of the consensus, you have come to think that racism is always negative when truely, it isn't. You're judging Japanese people, therefore you ARE racist. Then you go on with people in South Africa, again another racist remark, point proven again.
@Rex, I don't think I'm flaming at all. And if saying "Shut up please" is being disrespectful then so be it, I'm disrespectful. And I know I'm not treating him like a retard, just as a person who doesn't understand the topic of comparing races.
If I wanted to flame, all I needed to do was just say "Dude, you're dumb as shit". Instead I made a semi-long post (semi-long in my opinion) to explain to him about races, don't see how I'm flaming excluding the "Shut up".
EDIT: Just a note, I have been to South Africa, and the people I made contact with don't judge me by my race. Again, you seem to be judging a whole race. Sorry for going off-topic. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 03:09:39
He not judging Japanese people, rather he is judging JEB, in terms of spinning, its like saying FPSB is a strong board, its not rasisim, its just simple anlysis and generalization.
Just because you are trying to judge a group based on their skill isn't racism. It just so happens JEB is composed of Japanese spinners, I don't see why you are trying to bring racism into this. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 03:20:19QUOTE (Awesome @ Apr 1 2009, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>He not judging Japanese people, rather he is judging JEB, in terms of spinning, its like saying FPSB is a strong board, its not rasisim, its just simple anlysis and generalization.
Just because you are trying to judge a group based on their skill isn't racism. It just so happens JEB is composed of Japanese spinners, I don't see why you are trying to bring racism into this.
I'm not trying to bring racism into this, it was already here when I first posted. Find out what JEB stands for. Unlike UPSB, JEB is a country-based board, therefore, race is involved.
You say it is a simple analysis, therefore it is a broad explanation, right? If so, then anyone can automatically assume he is talking about Japanese spinners not JEB, as in the board JEB.
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Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 03:56:56QUOTE (CaliMartinio @ Apr 1 2009, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm not trying to bring racism into this, it was already here when I first posted. Find out what JEB stands for. Unlike UPSB, JEB is a country-based board, therefore, race is involved.
You say it is a simple analysis, therefore it is a broad explanation, right? If so, then anyone can automatically assume he is talking about Japanese spinners not JEB, as in the board JEB.
EDIT: fixed grammar.
The fact that they are all Japanese is irrelevant to his point, not all Japanese are part of JEB, if it was racism it would have to be every Japanese person has a "smooth flowing PS style" if it was racism his views would have to hold true for the entire race, but this is clearly not the intent, therefore its not racism.
You are following the general consensus that anything where one group is composed of one race any remark to that group is racism, this is not always the case however, as seen here.
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Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 04:07:04QUOTE (Awesome @ Apr 1 2009, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The fact that they are all Japanese is irrelevant to his point, not all Japanese are part of JEB, if it was racism it would have to be every Japanese person has a "smooth flowing PS style" if it was racism his views would have to hold true for the entire race, but this is clearly not the intent, therefore its not racism.
You are following the general consensus that anything where one group is composed of one race any remark to that group is racism, this is not always the case however, as seen here.
My last off-topic post, truely sorry
I see what you're trying to say, but even if he is referring to one group, he is still being racist. He says JEB, me assuming he is referring to Japanese spinners in JEB, can spin smoothly compared to other spinners. So, if I was Japanese, lived in Japan, used JEB as my pen spinning board, and just started pen spinning, I am automatically smoother than other spinners? This is what I'm referring to.
EDIT: Going to do a (reverse response?)
@Rex's response following this one(?)
I've always been meaning to emphasize that racism is not always bad from the every beginning of my first post. I've purposely had tried to express that being a racist isn't necassarily bad. Guess the message didn't really go through until later.
/calimartiniodone
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Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 07:16:01
Maybe this is a bit out there in terms of the subject matter, but I would say JEB spinners do have a distinctly different style than lets say GPC or FPSB.
I think about this from a modding perspective. The spinning style depends entirely on the pen being used, not always, but there are similarities among the area and the pens being primarily used which can contribute to that larger spin style.
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Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 10:46:25QUOTE (CaliMartinio @ Apr 2 2009, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@Rex, I don't think I'm flaming at all. And if saying "Shut up please" is being disrespectful then so be it, I'm disrespectful. And I know I'm not treating him like a retard, just as a person who doesn't understand the topic of comparing races.
If I wanted to flame, all I needed to do was just say "Dude, you're dumb as shit". Instead I made a semi-long post (semi-long in my opinion) to explain to him about races, don't see how I'm flaming excluding the "Shut up".
No you are misunderstanding me. I never said you are flaming. I said you were close to it. I was just saying that people can take your post as trying to make spindempens look like a retard.QUOTEOh yes you are. Racism is the act of judging races with your opinions. Because of the consensus, you have come to think that racism is always negative when truely, it isn't. You're judging Japanese people, therefore you ARE racist. Then you go on with people in South Africa, again another racist remark, point proven again.
he isn't necessarily comparing races neither. And you can tell from his post that he's not being a racist, and he says it himself. He said about JEB. I'm Japanese but I'm in UPSB, not JEB. So if we were to take his post precisely, he is not talking about me.
When he says JEB, he probably means people who is primarily in JEB, which majority is Japanese of course. JEB = Japen Board, so what you say about JEB is true. But minority are not Japanese. They might be people who can speak Japanese but not Japanese and is primarily in JEB. Well I can't prove that so let's not get into that.
I think you are being a little bit too sensitive about racism. Cuz I didn't take his post as judging Japanese people only, but rather JEB, and it was general statement, he didn't say "ALL". Okay you are right about racism not always meaning in a negative way as the Oxford Dictionary says, but the way you say on before posts suggest that you were referring to negative ones. Or have you changed your mind?
Either way, I suggested that people who primarily uses JEB are affected by JEB because they learn there, so many of them will have some sort of similarities between them. But not all.QUOTESo, if I was Japanese, lived in Japan, used JEB as my pen spinning board, and just started pen spinning, I am automatically smoother than other spinners?
He was making a generalization. so no, but maybe.
As I suggested before, I do not think taking "smooth" as Spindempens said literally is a good way. He just lacked in words that would efficiently describe them.
Yes, you said you were done with this racism topic, but you know, some people can take YOU as racist for being too caught up with "races". But Of course i know you aren't a racist, so that's not a problem.
As long as you don't cause any problems, no one has problems. I'm just saying that you MIGHT become part of what causes the problem. Okay I'm done with this too. WAY OFF TOPIC.
/REXisdone
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Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 18:27:33QUOTE (iMatt @ Apr 2 2009, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Maybe this is a bit out there in terms of the subject matter, but I would say JEB spinners do have a distinctly different style than lets say GPC or FPSB.
I think about this from a modding perspective. The spinning style depends entirely on the pen being used, not always, but there are similarities among the area and the pens being primarily used which can contribute to that larger spin style.
That's just a thought, not right always. but a thought.
I don't really get what "style" is, though.
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Date: Fri, Apr 3 2009 01:22:19
look, if I'm racist, everyone around meh irl would actually say that.
yes, like REX said, I'm only making generalizations.
I really looked into this whole thing on collabs. KPSA I guess is pretty good, but the general style is slower and uses tricks that require more control (same goes for Swespin and the other boards)
I'm srry if this whole topic was part racist (in some opinions) and I'm srry if this topic wasn't clear enough to be able to start arguments left and right and in all these other directions. I'll just stay away from this topic for a few days until the lingering off topic arguments wash away.
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Date: Thu, Jun 11 2009 11:32:20
well,i think this entire post to me is like soccer lols -.-
Brazil is very good in soccer,and if u mention brazil,they'll definitely say brazil is good in soccer,and as a general,brazillians are good in soccer,but they havent been winning world cups,have they???
they definitely have style,more control.=Japan
Italy=Thailand,good,yet people didnt think they would win,like how i lost $50 bucks when Italy won france lols
i dont think this is very related but this is just my opinion
Therefore,we shouldnt say brazillians are better,because they won the world cup 7years ago.
example:if u were to ask if brazil or italy is better,depending on fans,they would choose,however a neutralist would choose brazil due to records,but that does not mean italy is lousier.
lols,i dont think this helps,but just my opinion D: -
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 01:41:02
we're talking about style...
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Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 04:45:19
what kind of mini-combos would you consider JEB style?
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Date: Mon, Jun 22 2009 13:18:39QUOTE (Toshihiko @ Jun 11 2009, 06:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>example:if u were to ask if brazil or italy is better,depending on fans,they would choose,however a neutralist would choose brazil due to records,but that does not mean italy is lousier.
lols,i dont think this helps,but just my opinion D:
I agree, it depends on what you like better, and most people can't have both. If you want style, your going to probably have to give up on difficult moves and go for the moves that look cool, but don't exactly have a spot up in the tree (wow cheezzzy) -
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 16:51:54
Ok SJ I took your advice and looked up other spinners from other communities and here's what I got so far:
KPSA and other Korean spinners generally have better shadows and arounds.
JEB and other Japanese spinners generally have one of the best passes, sonics, arounds, and infinities.
THPSC and other Thai spinners generally have great aerials and kinda crazy mini-combos.
UPSB..... i guess we got some skillz, but we're too varied. -
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 18:31:31
uh... different communities' spinners have diff styles, ya kno
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Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 19:10:59QUOTE (octan3 @ Oct 18 2009, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>uh... different communities' spinners have diff styles, ya kno
And i'm sayin that JEB has a very distinct style, thank you for proving my point. -
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 19:12:08QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Oct 18 2009, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And i'm sayin that JEB has a very distinct style, thank you for proving my point.
im saying, spinners inside a community, as in like
HAL and G-Ryzer don't have similar styles, something like that. -
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 19:16:15QUOTE (octan3 @ Oct 18 2009, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im saying, spinners inside a community, as in like
HAL and G-Ryzer don't have similar styles, something like that.
But they have a general thing like in KPSA, they usually have good passes mixed in to link their fantastic arounds and a few aerials here and there. -
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 19:21:55QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Oct 18 2009, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>But they have a general thing like in KPSA, they usually have good passes mixed in to link their fantastic arounds and a few aerials here and there.
why do u generalize spinners by community? they have outside influences, they all have diff opinions on what looks nice and bad.
on upsb, not everyone wants to have exactly the same styles like eriror, chautran, or vicgotgame =/
influences in my spinning does not usually come from spinners in upsb, but spinners from all over the world.
limiting spinners by community is kinda weird. there is no gene saying if you are from one community, there is a way u have to spin.
basically what im trying to say is, when you think of a spinner, disregard their community.
sorry if i sound mean, just trying to reason. -
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 20:54:09
Why are you generalizing by community? Okay, say JEB has good infinities.
Having good infinities makes you from JEB.
Clearly the converse is flawed.
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Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 21:06:50QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Mar 17 2009, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>JEB members seem to have smooth, flowing combos compared to the more controlled and slower appearance to other presentations.
Opinions?
1. as Dark Angel- Rex and TEK (and others) says, JEB has different and distinct styles compared to other regions
2. PLZ PPL, the discussion is not racism and biased opinions
3. I've looked at a few more collabs from KPSA, JEB, Swespin, FPSB, and others. From those, I really can say that JEB collabs have smoother, faster, and flowing combos. I'm also able to say that other combos are more controlled and slower since other boards (swespin particularly) have combos that are a bit slower combined with tricks that require more control and concentration.
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Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 21:43:38
i thought this thread was done with...
why are we still arguing...
sigh...
theres no need to generalize so much -
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 00:45:30QUOTE (Ktk @ Oct 18 2009, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why are you generalizing by community? Okay, say JEB has good infinities.
Having good infinities makes you from JEB.
Clearly the converse is flawed.
And why does it matter?
.... no...
Most members of JEB usually have good infinities, passes, sonics, and arounds O_O
and it doesn't really matter.... XDD I just like identifyin -
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 04:12:41QUOTE (SpinDemPens @ Oct 18 2009, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>.... no...
Most members of JEB usually have good infinities, passes, sonics, and arounds O_O
and it doesn't really matter.... XDD I just like identifyin
.... no...
Most good pen spinners usually have good infinities, passes, sonics, and arounds O_O
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Date: Tue, Oct 20 2009 16:08:43
nothing is wrong with generalizing. its GENERALLY true, its not a fact that will of course apply to all spinners of that board.
for example i can say that in general asian food uses rice. wow. is something wrong with that? no.
I can say a food has a japanese flavour to it. it doesnt meant its necessarily made or from japan but perhaps very much influenced from the japanese way of preparing food.
bc no matter how you look it at, spinners from the same board will influence each other with similar styles, speed and tricks. its obvious that people like peem have influenced supawit, and perhaps peem was originally influenced by dongza, which have led to people like astro, the legend etc . so its easy to state that THPSC have taken a strong hold on this type of fast style. so i completely agree
-- that -- in -- general --
thai spinners are usually fast and flash, with cont tricks.
korean spinners were originally more fluent in stable flawless looking style, but have changed direction recently.
jeb style has a much more varied combo orientated approach. usually with a single point or climax in their combos which is unique, or greatly catches the eye perhaps an assist trick or awkard linkage.
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and of course spinners from these boards will vary, take inf200 from THPSC, or in JEB take makin seems much more...yes i will say it
"thai" style. whether this changes in the future is up to the board, if you dont like staying thai for some reason then u can say "fast, flash, and cont" or "peem like" or "tw sonic bust style" but its much easier for me and seems more natural to say "thai" style.
in places like UPSB of course we are universal, so we are lucky to have influences from all directions. so i dont know whats so wrong with generalizing in pen spinnning, perhaps if its too much then yeah its annoying, but it makes perfect sense within the context of pen spinning styles. -
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 12:00:13
Anybody can spin like the japs do theres nothing wrong with it
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Date: Sat, Oct 31 2009 19:32:35QUOTE (Jamie Enns @ Oct 18 2009, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>.... no...
Most good pen spinners usually have good infinities, passes, sonics, and arounds O_O
... no...
Most good pen spinners usually have good infinities, passes, sonics, arounds and top spins O_O -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 20:31:38
I dont want to read this whole thread but I will say typically when I watch a JEB collab they are consistently awesome, maybe more often then just a random collab. I think maybe the JEB guys are proud of their name/style/represent their board, so they put quality and work into it. This is a good thing and in general Japan has a high reputation for quality, whatever it is they are doing. I would say this is similar to German culture, typically you find extra attention to quality in something coming from there. Of course that doesnt mean other countries/cultures arent as good, but just that when I see a JEB collab, its usually REALLY good.