UPSB v3
Serious Discussion / Time Travel
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Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 21:13:10
If you could rewind time (once) to back when you were 6 years old but retain all your experiences, memories, skills and intelligence, would you do it? If 'yes', what would you do differently? What are some moral implications of time travel? What about selfishness and redefining fate or interfering with the natural course of events? What about paradoxes? Any other thoughts?
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Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 01:59:10
No way would I take it.
My life now looks as though it is going to turn out perfectly, I have a fun career lined up and the most beautiful woman I ever saw is now my love...
Even if it all went wrong, I would never want to take things back. You shouldn't play around with fate and such. Also, it probably would not work. After all, if you had all these memories, you would act differently, influencing the future and changing it in the process. -
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 02:04:44QUOTE (Mats @ Mar 22 2009, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No way would I take it.
My life now looks as though it is going to turn out perfectly, I have a fun career lined up and the most beautiful woman I ever saw is now my love...
Even if it all went wrong, I would never want to take things back. You shouldn't play around with fate and such. Also, it probably would not work. After all, if you had all these memories, you would act differently, influencing the future and changing it in the process.
^ cliche movie monologue
i wouldn't go back either, it would require effort and constant thinking to change everything i did, trying not to make mistakes
you learn from mistakes, i've had many, which i have learnt from... sometimes quite painfully.... both physically and emotionally... actually, mostly physically, like when i tried to jump off a moving pedal car....
^turned into a cliche teacher/mentorer speech -
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 03:13:49
im not sure, i agree w/ k-ryder though, if u dont make those same mistakes, u wont learn from them, so even if u re-did ur mistakes, u would probly meet them again in the future and u wouldnt kno what to do w/ it, since u have no past experience of it.
although i do have a lot of things in my past life that i really want to change, i wouldnt do it. -
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 03:39:57
I would. I don't really see anything wrong with it; who says my fate isn't to mess with fate?
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Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 10:17:20QUOTE (NoobishPenspinner @ Mar 22 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i agree w/ k-ryder though, if u dont make those same mistakes, u wont learn from them, so even if u re-did ur mistakes, u would probly meet them again in the future and u wouldnt kno what to do w/ it, since u have no past experience of it.
but making too much mistakes (serious ones, not those small whatever that your parents would yell at) like me would be a different story though. I want to redo my life if i can. -
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 11:43:47
I've actually thought about this alot more. I always thought if i go back 5~10 years. I could be a better person than right now. I also think it'd be funny if i had my memory, I could go back and go to UPSB, and be the 'GOD figure' knowing all the tricks and knowlegde about pen spinning.
Also, Have you guys ever wondered that YOU might living your life again. Just that your memory has been wiped out. That's why you keep having Deva. -
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 11:47:42
I am the way I am because of what heppened in my past. I would never go back. I would change as a person, change things around me, and things might get messed up. If you re-live your life, I guarentee something that you didn't want to happen would get messed up. And, your memories wouldn't help that much. If you act differently, things will happen differently (butterfly effect) so your future could be completely different. Just my 2 cents anyways
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Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 13:49:06
Seriously, why would you want to go back? I am currently safe, not poor, doing average at school and those things don't look as if they are changing in the near future. Why would I want to risk much worse circumstances or achieving less than I have now (which is very little anyway
) just to change a couple of things?
Maybe if I was much older, and my life was going in a more distinct direction, I would think about it. -
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 14:43:26
Why wouldn't you want to go back in time? You can correct whatever you did wrong in life and become a far better person and live a better life.
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Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 14:52:20
that'd be crazy because I would be so advanced for a 6 yo which means i would have a lot more time to do stuff, but life would be boring tho cuz at that age you're doing kid stuff and so if your brain is already mature you don't wanna do that but your body is too small to do anything else.
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Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 20:00:04QUOTE (IAmTheMrGuy @ Mar 22 2009, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I am the way I am because of what heppened in my past. I would never go back. I would change as a person, change things around me, and things might get messed up. If you re-live your life, I guarentee something that you didn't want to happen would get messed up. And, your memories wouldn't help that much. If you act differently, things will happen differently (butterfly effect) so your future could be completely different. Just my 2 cents anyways
You can't know which future would've been more desirable. -
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 06:32:29QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 22 2009, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that'd be crazy because I would be so advanced for a 6 yo which means i would have a lot more time to do stuff, but life would be boring tho cuz at that age you're doing kid stuff and so if your brain is already mature you don't wanna do that but your body is too small to do anything else.
my thoughts exactly, it'll be fun to be super advanced in something, but boring too.gif)
scenerio 1) Your super smart for you age and you get moved up several grades to match your 'intelligence'. unfortunately your 6 years old so nobody wants to hang out with you.
scenerio 2) you just put enough effort to pass by as just inteligent. unfortunately you have to hang out with kids 'your age' and they act/think just like 6 year olds while you act/think like a (your age here)
i dunno, seems like a lose lose situation. at first this idea seemed really nice, but... -
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 06:47:11QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 22 2009, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that'd be crazy because I would be so advanced for a 6 yo which means i would have a lot more time to do stuff, but life would be boring tho cuz at that age you're doing kid stuff and so if your brain is already mature you don't wanna do that but your body is too small to do anything else.
haha! then be like detective conan!
I don't think going back is such a good idea, like them I'm happy on what I am right now, because changing something in my past might lead to not meeting my love of my life -
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 06:52:53
i'd want to go back....so i'd get like 100 in school exams, but hold back so i won't get accelerated at school
and learning pen spinning and other things a lot earlier means higher skill level now, so it's worth it. (from first impressions anyway)
(ok i've oversimplified everything, but then it's impossible to fully consider the implications of past actions anyway) -
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 07:39:55
i dont really see the point...
maybe if your question was to go back and live in a body of a 6 yr old WITHOUT the memories/experiences...
that would make alot more sense
but with the memories/experiences
it might be a bit boring since youll be abnormal and know much more alot more mature
alot smarter etc
i dont think itd be fun... -
Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 11:48:27
I would with out a doubt, sure it might be boring at first, but you would have a big advantage once you start getting into your teens and adult hood, you could develop mad PSing skills and pwn for example, since 6 year olds don't have that much else to do. You could take any skill you enjoy doing and develop it from a young age. You would also be so far ahead of your peers at school you should be able to get really good grades even in highschool. Your social life might suck until you get to your teens though >_<
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Date: Mon, Mar 23 2009 12:03:10
My life sucks right now. And i guess it sucked backed then too but I wouldn't want to go back because it would be very hard to have a mature brain in a six year old body.
Pros: Get 100 marks in every test
Pwn at everything
Get out of trouble just by looking cute
You get nap times in school
Cons: Social life will suck. -
Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 09:39:29QUOTE (000zero0000 @ Mar 23 2009, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>scenerio 2) you just put enough effort to pass by as just inteligent. unfortunately you have to hang out with kids 'your age' and they act/think just like 6 year olds while you act/think like a (your age here)
if they love the lion king like i do, its fine wiht meQUOTE (krouls @ Mar 23 2009, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>haha! then be like detective conan!
i love conan
but then there's his weird feelings for ran... which is a bit weird....
anyway, wouldn't there be some kind of paradox or something?
you go back in to your own mind, and then you live ur life to teh point where you choose to go back.... and you dont... is that a paradox and the universe will explode?... or hence be a continous loop to where you only live from 6 to x?
maybe i'm thinking way too much into the logistics part of this.... -
Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 01:13:35
Broadened the topic and rephrased the first post. Btw, blog-like posts (just saying what you, personally, would do differently in this case) are considered off-topic, which means I have to delete them, because they don't stimulate discussion. I'll let the ones up to now slide because the initial questions on their own were more off-topic than SD.
Anyway, the problem is more complex than merely the effects it has on your own life. Firstly, you can tamper with the fates of others. For example, if your mother was killed recently in a car accident, what happens if you go back in time and eventually intervene to save her life on that fateful day? Now, all of a sudden, she has a different future. You still remember sadness from when she 'died', before travelling back in time, but now she's alive. What do you feel then? What if, in saving her, the person driving behind her was killed in her place? Also, would it be morally acceptable to make money or be regarded as a hero for predicting or preventing future undesirable events?
Secondly, there are incongruencies with the knowledge you already have gained. Let's say you become the most amazing spinner before travelling back in time. But as a six-year-old you are too uncoordinated or your fingers are too small to PS. Since you retain experiences, you should know how to spin expertly. In your "second" life, this is how it would appear: all of a sudden you can spin like a pro without any prior practice. It's like if you learn a second language, travel back in time and speak it before you had even begun to learn it. It's inconsistent with how things occur in reality.
What if two people want to turn the clock back at the same time, to a different time?
These are some points to get a discussion going, but you can add your own. -
Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 02:00:37QUOTE (Awesome @ Mar 23 2009, 04:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I would with out a doubt, sure it might be boring at first, but you would have a big advantage once you start getting into your teens and adult hood, you could develop mad PSing skills and pwn for example, since 6 year olds don't have that much else to do. You could take any skill you enjoy doing and develop it from a young age. You would also be so far ahead of your peers at school you should be able to get really good grades even in highschool. Your social life might suck until you get to your teens though >_<
ya, i use to daydream in class, or when im walking, that I started psing when i was '6' years old. Then I could be the founder of modern psing (bwahahaha). and runescape, make sure i play when it was still new and get a whole bunch of rare items (eg. santa, party hat etc) while they were really common, then i would be the best rs player ever. same goes for starcraft and such.
ya, it all depends on your 'new' teen life.
i guess you could make sure you befriend as many people as you can while your in elementary/middle school, would help alot in high school.
btw: thxs Tialys (altho im not sure 'Time Travel' is the proper title for this) -
Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 07:38:40
The paradox is none-existant if time travel is not possible. Although physics hasn't yet ruled it out, I think it eventually will.
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Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 12:06:08
well we almost know for sure we can go to future. We don't know if we can go back to the past.
anyhow, think about butterfly effect tho -
Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 12:50:13
I'd make a website about PS and pen mods etc and claim it to be created by a mere 6 y/o genius like me
and I'll be the fastest learner lol as good as 1 yr pser but just started in less than 5 mins lol since I still have my memories... -
Date: Thu, Mar 26 2009 03:52:12QUOTE (Clyde @ Mar 25 2009, 05:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'd make a website about PS and pen mods etc and claim it to be created by a mere 6 y/o genius like me
and I'll be the fastest learner lol as good as 1 yr pser but just started in less than 5 mins lol since I still have my memories...
memories yes, but not physical abilities. wait, does physical aspects affect psing or mental? -
Date: Thu, Mar 26 2009 10:39:07QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Mar 25 2009, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>anyhow, think about butterfly effect tho
you mean like a butterfly flaps its wings in brazil and theres a hurricane in china?
i point that to coincidence
but i wonder if i change one small thing (like the colour of someone's cup) it sets off a chain of events which will end up with me being dead....QUOTE (000zero0000 @ Mar 26 2009, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>memories yes, but not physical abilities. wait, does physical aspects affect psing or mental?
both will affect psing
but:
if you lose physical skill, you still retain mental
if you lose mental, you will be able to perform them, except you dont know how -
Date: Thu, Mar 26 2009 23:10:19
basically, you remember how to do it, but your hands/finger/wrist doesn't know what to do
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Date: Fri, Mar 27 2009 00:04:59
+ You can correct mistakes.
+ We can save a life of someone whom we lost.
- You're not allowed to have mods with Dr. Grip Tips.
I think time travelling has more good effects... but:http://nocturnal-devil.deviantart.com/art/Why-NOT-to-time-travel-112474017 -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 12:14:30
Hm... if I go to the time when I was 6(7 years ago), it'd be quite ghay. (assuming I still hold back memories/experiences)
1) There wouldn't be the pen parts needed to make mods.
2) There wouldn't be PenWish.
3) I won't be able to spin as well because of my short fingers.
But there're good points.
1) I can create UPSB and I'd be Rockstar now.
2) I can say I'm the one who created the tricks that I know currently.
3) I can be the penspinning genius because I doubt PS is that developed 7 years ago.
4) I'd be very famous.
Crap, we're in Off-topic section and I'm talking about PSing?!! argh!!
Kay, so this(below) is not related to PSing.
Pros:
-I can be called a child prodigy who knows so many stuffs at the age of 6.
-I can slack/sleep/chit-chat during class time(although it already is pretty slacky in 6 years old class)
-I can be perfect cos I know what mistakes I'm gonna make so I will prevent myself from making the mistakes.
Cons: REALLY REALLY BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD social life. -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 21:20:37
like Awesome said, you won't have a great social life (acutally mabe you will, but you'll get bored of your friends cuz your mentally 14+ and their 6) you high school life is pretty well set to be really easy and fun
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Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 13:36:17QUOTE (000zero0000 @ Mar 26 2009, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>memories yes, but not physical abilities. wait, does physical aspects affect psing or mental?
err if in my memory, I remember how to do the tricks, then why not be able to to the tricks? -
Date: Mon, Mar 30 2009 22:10:04QUOTE (Clyde @ Mar 29 2009, 05:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>err if in my memory, I remember how to do the tricks, then why not be able to to the tricks?
it has to do with muscle memory(?) not the brain -
Date: Tue, Mar 31 2009 13:37:14
Ya, it either got to do with muscle memory or the fact that your fingers are much shorter and inflexible than how they're now.
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Date: Wed, Apr 8 2009 16:37:36
I've been thinking about this question a lot lately...
I disagree with the social life point. I for one would make interacting with more people a priority. Since I have acquired a large body of general knowledge and logical frame of mind, I would practice the rhetoric of arguing from character & emotion. The playground would be my training ground for social mobility in the grown-up world. -
Date: Thu, Apr 16 2009 11:09:40QUOTE (Tialys @ Mar 25 2009, 09:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Broadened the topic and rephrased the first post. Btw, blog-like posts (just saying what you, personally, would do differently in this case) are considered off-topic, which means I have to delete them, because they don't stimulate discussion. I'll let the ones up to now slide because the initial questions on their own were more off-topic than SD.
Anyway, the problem is more complex than merely the effects it has on your own life. Firstly, you can tamper with the fates of others. For example, if your mother was killed recently in a car accident, what happens if you go back in time and eventually intervene to save her life on that fateful day? Now, all of a sudden, she has a different future. You still remember sadness from when she 'died', before travelling back in time, but now she's alive. What do you feel then? What if, in saving her, the person driving behind her was killed in her place? Also, would it be morally acceptable to make money or be regarded as a hero for predicting or preventing future undesirable events?
Secondly, there are incongruencies with the knowledge you already have gained. Let's say you become the most amazing spinner before travelling back in time. But as a six-year-old you are too uncoordinated or your fingers are too small to PS. Since you retain experiences, you should know how to spin expertly. In your "second" life, this is how it would appear: all of a sudden you can spin like a pro without any prior practice. It's like if you learn a second language, travel back in time and speak it before you had even begun to learn it. It's inconsistent with how things occur in reality.
What if two people want to turn the clock back at the same time, to a different time?
These are some points to get a discussion going, but you can add your own.
This is where the 4th dimension comes into play, I supposed. And I'm pretty surprised no one mentioned about the 4th dimension - Time.