UPSB v3
Advanced Tricks / Flush Sonic
Originally created by Key3
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Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 14:17:36
Long time I wanted to show off this amazing trick that requires a pretty important finger dexterity.
It belongs to none of the sonic family I already know, (I may be wrong) but I haven't seen it before except in two of Key3's videos.
he's the creator of this trick.
It's a pretty strange trick but as it is done in one move, it's definitely a trick, not a combo.
For the moment, I don't do the reverse, very hard, the simple is just hard as well^^
and it's like the demon sonic it can only be done between a couple of fingers (34-12 for demon sonic)
here it's 23-23
so you start in 23, you lauch your pen like an inv sonic move but when the pen touch the 1 finger in the inv move
just drop your ring finger and let the pinky finger get the pen, in this position, the pen is in 14, ring finger is against
the hand and middle finger is bent.
then just push up the pen to go over the middle finger so as you can grab it with 23.
But anyway, videos are obvisouly clearer than words^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leeEye-94oY
just tell me what you think of it^^
edit: Click here to watch Flush-sonic-with-NX-MMT -
Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 14:25:57
very good,
the trick is 0.5 rotation right? you should have filmed with a single-cap mod to show the rotation more clearly! -
Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 14:35:57
yeah it's a 0.5 rotation trick
QUOTEvery good,
the trick is 0.5 rotation right? you should have filmed with a single-cap mod to show the rotation more clearly!
Here you are ^^
Click here to watch Flush-sonic-with-NX-MMT -
Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 15:13:50
Ah, I used to do a 34-23 variation of that before. It was hard to get it linked in a smooth way to other tricks though, so I stopped using it.
What I did was Sonic from 34 to 24, then raise 2 so the pen ends up in 14 and pass it to 23. I'll film both that and this "Flush Sonic" of yours to see if I'm doing it right once I get home. Oh, and when I talked to Eriror about what I did, he said he had done that before atleast. This was like 6-7 months ago if I remember correctly. -
Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 15:15:52
Just amazing oO
How can you do this in a combo ?
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Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 16:30:33QUOTE (Sandaime @ Nov 6 2007, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just amazing oO
How can you do this in a combo ?
Wel if you can do the trick itslef quite easy, just do some combo that leads to 23 then you do the trick and continue spinning out of 23, for example:
Rev. TA -> Demons Sonic 34-12 -> Pass 12-23 -> "Flush Sonic" 23-23 -> Twisted Sonic 23-12 -> Rev. Indexaround -> Backaround
I agree that it's a very nice trick, I've never seen it before, I'll try to learn it now. -
Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 16:49:51
Yeah actually I was doing this variation from 34 as well (Bonito did it too) a long time ago but I havent done the linking between the two tricks. Actually the move is similar in a way, but to make it start from 23 looks pretty different than from 34 (where it's really easier to do it)
My name was pretty a joke because I like to name tricks but I think that the way to catch something in 14 and then put in 23 is really new and has to be named and developped, don't know if "flush" is the right name for that ^^ but I think it deserve a name anyway -
Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 16:54:06
Here's how I do them anyway. Oh, and I find the 34-23 one easier, but that might just be cause I've been doing it longer.
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Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 17:44:06
Dude, this trick hurts my fingers <.<
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Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 18:26:00
to me it looks more like a pass with some extra stuff added before it...
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Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 18:46:46
That's basically what it is, some passes and charge motions. But what is a Twisted Sonic? It's also just a charge motion and a pass.
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Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 18:47:55
twisted sonic is misnamed, but we dont want to change it because everybody is used to it, but for new tricks, they shouldn't be misnamed.
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Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 19:00:38
If I'm looking at it right, it's seems to be...
Inverse Sonic 23-12[p][s 0.75] ~ Pass 14-12[s 0.5] ~ Pass 12-23[s 0.25][c]
I can get the motion, just not anywhere near smooth. My index and pinky fingers need more strength training in that position, need to practice Charge 14 for a while.
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Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 19:27:38
The pass in the end goes directly from 14 to 23. It's also weird to breakdown, 'cause after the Inv Sonic to 13 you kinda regrip the pen with 4 instead of 3.
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Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 19:35:28
Oh~~~ okay. So...
Inverse Sonic 23-12[p][s 0.75] ~ Pass 14-23[s 0.75][c]
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So you just let go of the pen from the 14 slot to the 23 slot without having a real transition? That's funky.
Grr. Im having trouble catching the pen in the 14 slot, everything else works before and after that part. -
Date: Tue, Nov 6 2007 23:53:28
Very nice trick... a little hard to notice in a combo though
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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 00:57:11
I shall learn this trick NOW!!!
It looks pretty cool. The 'flush' concept intriuges me, but it defeats my logic on so many levels when I try to go from 13 to 14. -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 02:21:57
i've seen similar stuff like this before, but not the entire thing. a few months ago a friend of mine did this:
Sonic 34-24 ~> Inv Sonic 24-14 > Pass 14-23.
what this is missing is the Inv sonic part at the start.
Here it is
it's in the second combo. goes into slowmo too. before the baktap.
PS: lol i keep posting up this same thing, even though this dude has quit already. -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 02:24:25QUOTE (nDiZ @ Nov 6 2007, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Very nice trick... a little hard to notice in a combo though
Exactly what i was thinking. Neat trick though.
edit: is the final name seriously "flush" sonic? -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 02:42:59
gah, i can't bend my middle finger back far enough...stupid hands...
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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 03:31:24QUOTE (sketching @ Nov 7 2007, 03:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Oh~~~ okay. So...I see the trick as something like (insert relevant modifier) Sonic Normal 23-14 > Pass Normal 14-23. Why does everyone seems to see only the Inverse Sonic Normal 23-12? From my perspective, I see the first part as the hybrid of Inverse Sonic Normal 23-12 and Moonwalk Sonic Normal 23-34.
Inverse Sonic 23-12[p][s 0.75] ~ Pass 14-23[s 0.75][c]
I don't agree with the move as being a trick. It's definitely more than that. A rather complex hybrid move. -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 04:58:51
if u cant see it, itsn ot a sonic norm cuz it goes under 2.
edit: could i start with a twisted sonic motion? instead of inv sonic? -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 04:59:01
I see where you are going with that. For some reason, I tend to forget that Moonwalk Sonic exists.
So it can be said to be a hybrid of:
Inverse Sonic 23-12[p][s 0.75] ~ Moonwalk Sonic 13-34[s 0.5] ~ Pass 14-23[s 0.25][c] -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 05:10:31QUOTE (sketching @ Nov 6 2007, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So it can be said to be a hybrid of:
Inverse Sonic 23-12[p][s 0.75] ~ Moonwalk Sonic 13-34[s 0.5] ~ Pass 14-23[s 0.25][c]
I believe we have a winner!
However I will say that in this case, we NEED to give it an informal name (if it ever becomes popular) because the formal description is hard to understand. -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 05:13:14
I like the hybrid notation and it works out for best for simple hybrids but having to type Inverse Sonic 23-12[p][s 0.75] ~ Moonwalk Sonic 13-34[s 0.5] ~ Pass 14-23[s 0.25][c] is a bit much. When i see this hybrid im going to be notating it as flush sonic or whatever the final name is.
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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 05:23:59
Sonic Remix?????too lame.......... maybe Flush Sonic sounds good...
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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 05:25:58
Maybe an explaination of where the idea for "flush" came from would help it to make more sense.
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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 05:31:55
Flush probably came from the fact that you use all fingers...maybe or it could be some random name
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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 05:44:26QUOTE (K4S @ Nov 7 2007, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I like the hybrid notation and it works out for best for simple hybrids but having to type Inverse Sonic 23-12[p][s 0.75] ~ Moonwalk Sonic 13-34[s 0.5] ~ Pass 14-23[s 0.25][c] is a bit much. When i see this hybrid im going to be notating it as flush sonic or whatever the final name is.
that's the complete formal form.
the shortened version would be Inverse Sonic 23-12 ~ Moonwalk Sonic 13-34 ~ Pass 14-23.
But yes, the general theorem is that:
As the complexity of a hybrid tends towards infinity, the number of components of the hybrid tends towards infinity.
In other words, it takes more parts, each describing shorter and shorter sections. -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 07:09:05
For the name "flush" it was the word I was thinking about when i was doing the trick... it's really not official, please choose whatever you prefer ^^
QUOTEInverse Sonic 23-12[p][s 0.75] ~ Moonwalk Sonic 13-34[s 0.5] ~ Pass 14-23[s 0.25][c]
don't know everything of this syntax but it seems that it's correct to me^^ -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 17:53:02
[p] means that there is a push
[s] means that there is a spin
[c] means that there is a catch.
Using "~" instead of ">" means that the connecting tricks are incomplete somewhere (that there is something missing, every full trick should have some kind of [p], [s] and [c]).
This Research Department article explains the notation in more detail. -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 20:14:18
Twisted Charge, or some other name with charge, sounds better imo. After all, it's barely anything like a sonic. It's more of a weird charge that changes slots but still remains in the same place.
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Date: Thu, Nov 8 2007 07:14:08
Actually, it doesn't make much of a difference. The fundamental difference between Charge and Sonic is that Charge doesn't involve the transfer of the pen to other finger positions. Sonic is, in essence, Charge Transfer, if that's appropriate.
QUOTE (sketching @ Nov 7 2007, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So it can be said to be a hybrid of:More accurately, it should be Inverse Sonic 23-13[p][s 0.75] ~ Moonwalk Sonic 13-34[s 0.5] ~ Pass 14-23[s 0.25][c], as the pen never really went close to the 12 position. Do note that the Inverse Sonic and Moonwalk Sonic are executed together in one (1) single spin, although the notation seems to suggest otherwise.
Inverse Sonic 23-12[p][s 0.75] ~ Moonwalk Sonic 13-34[s 0.5] ~ Pass 14-23[s 0.25][c]
The move does require lots of finger dexterity, especially so if it is performed continuously (that'll be a little crazy though). -
Date: Thu, Nov 8 2007 12:16:17
the bit i'm struglling with is bending 3 down to the palm with 2 out-stretched. reminds me of first learning a sonic clip, i'm thinking "how the hell am i supposed to get those fingers out of the way?"
anyway. it's an excellent trick and i quite like 'sonic flush' -
Date: Thu, Nov 8 2007 17:00:36
O__O
I LOVE THIS KIND OF BARBARIAN TRICKS
I will learn it for sure !! but I have to perform my charge 14 before
Thanks for posting it Frat ! -
Date: Thu, Nov 8 2007 23:50:35
The 14 charge is very hard, but just like the 13 and 24 charge, it can be learned.
...Just give me about 3+ weeks and I'll have it down.
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Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 20:43:27
I was able to perform it, I just gotta make it smoother.
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Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 21:14:31
its like trick of the week or somethin.
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Date: Thu, Jan 3 2008 19:46:49
Oh I love this trick
But when I do it, the pens gets stuck on the middle finger so I can't do the pass. How can I solve that problem? -
Date: Thu, Jan 3 2008 20:59:53
Learn to stretch your middlefinger back more, and do the 14 charge motion more forward.
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Date: Thu, Jan 3 2008 21:17:24
omg, this trick hurts my fingers so much
i can get it into position, but i can't do anything after that >.<
how many rotations does this trick have in total? 2.0? -
Date: Fri, Jan 4 2008 01:11:52
1.5 rotations.
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Date: Fri, Jan 4 2008 01:24:33
'' could someone please do something like what kam did in this video (how he holds his pen and guides it through the trick slowly, and pointing out where the pen should be at points-instead of just putting somethign in slow motion)
http://pentrix.com/videos/video_solo.php?v...Sonic_combo.swf
sorry to be a bother, but i really want to learn this trick, but there are just so few resources on it, and i'm a slow learner and i'm really bad at learnign tricks just through watching a slow motioned video
without my friend showign me hwo to do it all the time in school, i dont' think i could learn most of the tricks that i know now''
unfortunately, he doens't know this trick >.< -
Date: Sun, Jan 6 2008 02:52:40
You need to search more... Eso has a tutorial for the Devil's sonic if that's what you're looking for.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llLB2zvFsmA
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Date: Sun, Jan 6 2008 03:35:10
no
'', not the demon's sonic, the flush sonic
the trick that is on the first page -
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 16:42:21
I'm having trouble with flush sonic and have some questions.
1:Is it ok to use my thumb to hold the fingers together?
2:The pen sometimes gets stuck between my ring and middle finger while doing moonwalk sonic 14. -
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 18:10:21
You hold your fingers together with your thumb..? Well, my thumb presses against the side of my index when i do flush sonics sometimes.
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Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 17:47:37
i learne the 34-23 but 23-23 still have promblem, it always stuck after it reaches 14
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Date: Tue, Jul 1 2008 06:07:43
i need the same thing as -jc-...
there are no tutorials just people doing it, then the same thing in slowmotion. the one time i found something it was a horrible angle and i couldnt figure it out. -
Date: Tue, Jul 1 2008 07:34:51
Xero's Flush Sonic Tutorial
Here you guys go.
Y'all better appreciate this, because this shit hurt to make. ): -
Date: Tue, Jul 1 2008 09:51:19
ahh finally an explanation. thanks xero.
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Date: Tue, Jul 1 2008 18:36:41
yaY, a better tut