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Serious Discussion / Help me with religion
my mother
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Date: Wed, Apr 1 2009 16:33:01
My mother wants to force me to believe in Religion, but I'm an Atheist.
No matter how much I tell my mother that I don't believe in God in the MOST RESPECTFUL AND RATIONAL WAY, my mother says "God exist, you are wrong". When I ignore the topic, my mother also go mad.
What should I tell her to make her understand that I don't believe in God and she should respect that opinion?
I'm pretty serious on this. It has been going on for A WHILE, and I'm sick of it being calm and nice while my mother yell at me. -
Date: Wed, Apr 1 2009 17:28:27
Personally I would just say sorry and say I believe in god, even though I don't, its the simplest way to get them to shut up.
I figure if people are going to be like that, they don't really deserve the whole I am going to be honest no matter what thing, so just tell them what they want to hear and get it over with.
I don't know the relationship between you and your mother, so I can't really give advice =/ -
Date: Wed, Apr 1 2009 17:39:47QUOTE (Awesome @ Apr 1 2009, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Personally I would just say sorry and say I believe in god, even though I don't, its the simplest way to get them to shut up.
I figure if people are going to be like that, they don't really deserve the whole I am going to be honest no matter what thing, so just tell them what they want to hear and get it over with.
I don't know the relationship between you and your mother, so I can't really give advice =/
yea but maybe then he has to attend religious activities he doesnt care about -
Date: Wed, Apr 1 2009 18:03:51
Wow.... that sucks =\
Well, I think that if it's possible try just telling your mom that you believe in god just to finish the argument, like Awesome said, but like Zombo said, it might bring other religious activities...
have you asked your mother not to speak about this subject? I mean, tell her you don't wish to discuss it, because you see it hurts the relationship between the two of you- something which you don't want to happen...
...or something along these lines =\
I hope I've been helpful, and good luck >_< -
Date: Wed, Apr 1 2009 18:40:12
Personally I would say that you're agnostic, because it would seem less like an "attack" than if you claimed to be Atheist. There is really little difference between the two, but more often Atheists are seen to be disliking the idea of god while agnostics are simply neutral to the subject. Don't argue with her, it will only cause more tension between the both of you; you should just try and approach all of her claims with mentioning its possible (not sarcastically....), but you don't want to talk about it. Your mother appears to be someone who is not about to change her opinion, and I think it would be more wise to preserve your relationship than make attempts at changing her religious views.
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Date: Wed, Apr 1 2009 22:31:04
well im pretty religious. my religiousness is all (for lack of better word) volentary (sp check please).
remind her that there is no point in accepting a religion if your heart is not into it. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 00:06:38
ehhhh sounds like my mama...
Yeah just say you do believe in god but dont believe in church or anything of the sort. Gets your mom off your back and avoids all the religious stuff. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 01:04:22
thanx guys, I think Sadistic's comment has pretty good points.
Yea Atheism might sound like attacking religious people (even though not), tell her I'm Agnostic is a better way. Neutrality owns. I'll try that one. If it still don't work (Resonance, I unfortunately tried that), then i'll just do as some of you say
The irony is that my mother believes in God so much that she takes her pride with it, but she's not religious or anything and she doesn't do much religious activities. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 04:09:39
well at least its your mom rex...
at school my atheist 'friends' try so hard to proove Christianity and God to be false it actually is brining me to the point where i want to hit them. I mean one of the guys trys reaaalllly hard to piss me off by saying a whole bunch of stuff.gif)
grr... -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 04:18:21
Yar....after living in the city with the 2nd most churches-per-capita my whole life and maintaining atheism, ive learned to deal with religious zealots....
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Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 05:02:08QUOTE (Sadistic @ Apr 1 2009, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yar....after living in the city with the 2nd most churches-per-capita my whole life and maintaining atheism, ive learned to deal with religious zealots....
i've gotta learn how to do the opposite (in a sense)
i got a question for you athiest/agnostic people. does it bother you if a Christian person evangalizes to you? -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 07:12:53
Ehhh I like to have fun with them, so far its pretty easy to have them question their religion.
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Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 07:21:47QUOTE (UEDan @ Apr 1 2009, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ehhh I like to have fun with them, so far its pretty easy to have them question their religion.
i think alot of people just bandwagon themselves with their parents and friends and such...
they dont really identify with what they truly believe -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 09:00:57QUOTE (000zero0000 @ Apr 2 2009, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i've gotta learn how to do the opposite (in a sense)
i got a question for you athiest/agnostic people. does it bother you if a Christian person evangalizes to you?
yes. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 11:37:46
as a japanese, you should probably accept Shinto, because it's more cultural
other religions you can choose. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 12:05:08QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 1 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yea but maybe then he has to attend religious activities he doesnt care about
yeah, thos is what i do....huh.....I really don't beleive but my parents will get mad at me. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 13:08:54QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 2 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>as a japanese, you should probably accept Shinto, because it's more cultural
other religions you can choose.
Buddhism is more common in Japan though today. even though religious people are minorities. -
Date: Thu, Apr 2 2009 22:59:58
religious ppl in japan have 2 major religions: shinto and buddhism.
shinto is compatible with other religions so people follow both reglision.
it is often said that shintoism is the religion to help people live their life, and buddishm is the religion to help people prepare for their death. -
Date: Fri, Apr 3 2009 01:34:00
I can relate. I've dug myself a big hole. My family used to go to church when ever we felt like it. Now, it has gotten to a point that we MUST attend church every Sunday. Even if we are on vacation. At first, I thought going along with them would be fine. I was wrong. It dug a deeper hole. My pastor asked if a youth group would be a good idea. In my mind I thought, "No, my brother and I are the only ones that will be going." In reality I wasn't able to reply with a no. So, now every Friday we have a youth group meeting. Each of these meetings spoil my Fridays and my brothers and I are the only youth that attend. I was also elected as a Commitee Member of our church. I can't get out. Basically, I have to wait until I'm 18 to get out of the cemetery I dug myself in. I believe I'm an Aethiest, or I've gone to church unwillingly so many times, I refuse to belive there is a God.
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Date: Fri, Apr 3 2009 05:18:26QUOTE (Aries @ Apr 2 2009, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can relate. I've dug myself a big hole. My family used to go to church when ever we felt like it. Now, it has gotten to a point that we MUST attend church every Sunday. Even if we are on vacation. At first, I thought going along with them would be fine. I was wrong. It dug a deeper hole. My pastor asked if a youth group would be a good idea. In my mind I thought, "No, my brother and I are the only ones that will be going." In reality I wasn't able to reply with a no. So, now every Friday we have a youth group meeting. Each of these meetings spoil my Fridays and my brothers and I are the only youth that attend. I was also elected as a Commitee Member of our church. I can't get out. Basically, I have to wait until I'm 18 to get out of the cemetery I dug myself in. I believe I'm an Aethiest, or I've gone to church unwillingly so many times, I refuse to belive there is a God.
Have you talked to your parents at all? Does your youth group ever have discussions about religion where you can express your views? If not I could see how that would suck. Arguing can be a blast if done right. -
Date: Fri, Apr 3 2009 05:30:01
I'm afraid of the consquences. My parents will probably take away priveleges and much more. Not to mention how the other people in the church would feel about me, lying to them this whole time.
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Date: Fri, Apr 3 2009 05:46:10
Well shoot man you're pretty screwed. Maybe make some new atheist friends to balance the time?
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Date: Fri, Apr 3 2009 06:56:42
you should try on those religous activities, even you do not like it, no harm right?
you must be a serious thinker to not like a religion. set yourself free, you are the one who take control on your own life, nobody should decide what religion you are in. -
Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 03:21:24
@Aries why don't you just tell your parents that for a while you were having doubts about your religion, and over time you just stoped believing, They might understand that, and besides whats the point in going to church activities when you get nothing out of them.
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Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 03:57:33
The thing is, that I know they will probably get angry with me becuase I've lied my whole church life.
My grandpa is also a high ranking member of the Methodist thing. Like top 4 in the world. -
Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 04:11:02
but if you dont act now, itll be harder later on
its hard but take a risk or regret for the rest of your life -
Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 04:26:21
well i believe in god. Aries doesn't. its kinda funny
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Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 21:17:45QUOTE (Aries @ Apr 4 2009, 05:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The thing is, that I know they will probably get angry with me becuase I've lied my whole church life.
My grandpa is also a high ranking member of the Methodist thing. Like top 4 in the world.
Can't you tell them that your doubts started just lately? so they won't know you didn't believe in god in the first place...
I don't really know the situation, so... -
Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 21:55:03
I guess, but I'll tell them when my grandparents leave from their visit.
But, I doubt I will be able to do it. -
Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 22:08:03QUOTE (Aries @ Apr 3 2009, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The thing is, that I know they will probably get angry with me becuase I've lied my whole church life.
My grandpa is also a high ranking member of the Methodist thing. Like top 4 in the world.
Don't say your atheist or agnostic....from the previous posts you have used to describe your parents, they will flip the fuck out lolz.....just tell them you have been doing some research and have had a "revelation" to go to buddhism. If you claim yourself to be a buddhist, your parents are far less likely to try and convert you back, because they hopefully wouldn't go so far as to reach religious intolerance.....If you act offended the second they say anything to disprove buddhism, and don't (never ever in your situation) attack their religion, you should be able to get out of this situation pretty fast..... -
Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 23:50:27
@sadistic, i don't know how well the conversion to buddhism will work. I think the better approach will be for aries to tell them he's going on a 'break' from religion.
and ya, attacking your parents faith will make them almost not be able to tolerate you in some ways (horrible for you)