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Date: Mon, Apr 6 2009 15:49:43
Project name : FPSB's laboratory
Project leader : lindor
I often think of posting some descriptions of tricks and concepts developed in FPSB's laboratory, but I do not have any time for that, so I think a simple topic with links and little descriptions of what we are doing (or what we were doing) in FPSB's laboratory could be useful.
First, I want to present swivels tricks. That is a project I developed months ago. This was a new notation to describe easily tricks with the pen passing from palm to backhand (or from backhand to palm), using one finger to pass. For example, during a twisted cobra bite, the pen go from the backhand to the palm and pass on the pinky.
A complete notation was developed, but it has not been translated in english for the moment. If some can read french, here is two links to understand this notation :
http://thefpsb.penspinning.fr/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=2006 , article written on FPSB
http://wiki.penspinning.fr/index.php5?title=Swivel , article in FPSB's wiki
Swivel tricks are really useful; a lot have been used during the WT (for example, at the end of eriror's combo, R4). Because of this new notation, others swivels were discovered. You can see some of them in this video I made 2 months ago :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI19-gmxHiM
Now, here is some new tricks developed in FPSB's laboratory :
bend tap, from Smile :
article : http://thefpsb.penspinning.fr/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=2008
video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=FR&hl=...p;v=108ulXmffXU
flick thumbaround, from Zoda :
article : http://thefpsb.penspinning.fr/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=2015
video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI8FIrbVp1w...f=67&t=1578
soft tap, from Lindor :
article : no article for the moment
video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZjHAnwmzE
(an other version of this trick, invented by Fratleym, is bringing the mod between two fingers like 1-3 or 2-4, and using the finger between the others (2 or 3) to make the pen turn; you can see something like that in the video which does present the sidespin, at 1:00, named side wiper).
Some fist tricks and spinder tricks, from Lindor :
article : no article for the moment
video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=FR&hl=...p;v=BePOlPmKedY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=FR&hl=...p;v=kQp6EzkjCFs
these video are really old, I developed a better notation for these tricks, I will maybe post it in the future.
Finaly, I ask for the permission to create a similar topic in "advanced tricks and combo", because I think others pen spinners could find some things useful... -
Date: Mon, Apr 6 2009 15:51:57
I was just writing this
Here's my version anyways:
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Project Name - FPSB's laboratory (Swivel Tricks)
Project Leader - lindor
Project Description - First, I want to present swivels tricks. That is a project I developed months ago. This was a new notation to describe easily tricks with the pen passing from palm to backhand (or from backhand to palm), using one finger to pass. For example, during a twisted cobra bite, the pen go from the backhand to the palm and pass on the pinky.
Why - Swivel tricks are really useful; a lot have been used during the WT (for example, at the end of eriror's combo, R4). Because of this new notation, others swivels were discovered.
OTHER INFORMATION:
Swivel Tricks: Article in FPSB and Article in FPSB Wiki.
Tricks:
Some Swivel Tricks (by lindor): Video
Bend Tap (by Smile): Article and Video.
Flick ThumbAround (by Zoda): Article and Video.
Soft Tap (by lindor): Article and Video.
Some fist tricks and spiner tricks (by lindor): Article, Video #1 and Video #2 -
Date: Mon, Apr 6 2009 16:20:41
i cant watch these videos yet because im at school, but i wanted to say that ive actually gotten used to simply using formal notation for swivels
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Date: Mon, Apr 6 2009 17:49:57
Hm, swivels to me just look like a FL PA done palm down... And it seems like lindor did an IPBA Rev into a spiderspin and called it a swivel. Another swivel was just a handaround rev. Are swivel's basically handarounds?
And lindor's fistspin was just a spiderspin.
Also, lindor's soft tap is just a half-tap 12-12. Which I figured out how to do months ago. I believe I posted a vid in Questions/Problems for the NC. -
Date: Mon, Apr 6 2009 19:22:01
You're wrong, some swivels reverse could be breakdowned as handbackarounds, but for example, the twisted cobra bite (swivel 12-P reverse), the pinkyswivel P-12 and a lot of others are'nt arounds...
Spider spin is not a good name imo, because it means the position of spiderman's hand in the film "spiderman", and this is just 23 folded, 1 and 4 unfolded... So others possibility (1234 folded, 123 folded and 4 unfolded...) should be names "fist spins" more than "spider spins". Also, if you think we should kept the name "spider", so others tricks are spider taps and stalls, as you prefer =)
Finaly, You should saw an other time the video of the soft tap, it is not an half tap. I know what is an half tap =) -
Date: Mon, Apr 6 2009 22:41:06
i disagree with your spiderspin point (as we've discussed before)
the spiderspin was not named so for its spiderman pose, because the spiderman pose was actually named "hellspin", by le0n
there really would be no reason to change the name of the trick simply based on the position of unused fingers, and as everyone already uses spiderspin, there's no reason to change that
okay i downloaded, slow motioned, and zoomed the soft tap video, and i'm fairly certain... it's a charge rev 0.5 -
Date: Tue, Apr 7 2009 02:46:46QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Apr 6 2009, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i disagree with your spiderspin point (as we've discussed before)
the spiderspin was not named so for its spiderman pose, because the spiderman pose was actually named "hellspin", by le0n
there really would be no reason to change the name of the trick simply based on the position of unused fingers, and as everyone already uses spiderspin, there's no reason to change that
okay i downloaded, slow motioned, and zoomed the soft tap video, and i'm fairly certain... it's a charge rev 0.5
I agree. The spiderspin can be done with the spiderman pose or without it. It doesn't matter. I've been doing spiderspins without the spider pose for a while now. And I never once thought to call it my trick simply because I did it without the spider pose.
Here's my vid against the soft-tap vid. It's just a half-tap 12 with a different catch.
sorry for the excess hand motions in my half-taps. I dont like half-taps and i suck at them. -
Date: Tue, Apr 7 2009 13:09:15
nah you haven't seen the fact that in the soft tap, the style you give is that the edge of the finger is making the pen turn.
It's not so easy to see but the idea is brilliant -
Date: Tue, Apr 7 2009 13:23:13
no
in softap the pen goes over the tip of the finger
look carefully
its different from half-tap. -
Date: Tue, Apr 7 2009 15:06:06
As Fratleym and Zombo said, you have not made any soft tap in your video; I'm sorry, my video may be bad...
Shadowserpant : The spider spin was first what I discribe, spin palm up on 23 folded. Hell spin was invented later, just because le0n did nit know the spider spin ( I remember when he posted his video, some things were new, but others were old : "hell spin" = "spider spin", "total sonic rise" = "sonic spirale" ...
So, spider spin can be the name for all these kind of spins if it is what the RD decided - I think fist spin would have been better, but don't matter =)
I said this video is really old... Some things in can be useless or wrong. I think that spider tap, spider gun and spider stall are new... -
Date: Tue, Apr 7 2009 17:46:18
Yeah, I suppose I didn't do it very well as that was the first time I tried it. But it still looks like a half-tap with a different catch...
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Date: Tue, Apr 7 2009 20:12:16
The trick you did at the end of your video is an half tap, but the soft tap is something different. I'll try to make a batter video later (I do not have any time this evening)
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Date: Wed, Apr 8 2009 14:10:14QUOTEYeah, I suppose I didn't do it very well as that was the first time I tried it. But it still looks like a half-tap with a different catch...
it's not that catch, it's the trick by itself which is different-> explication from zombo is clear enough... -
Date: Wed, Apr 8 2009 17:15:13QUOTE (FratleymメFS @ Apr 8 2009, 07:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it's not that catch, it's the trick by itself which is different-> explication from zombo is clear enough...
I just see a half-tap 12-12 where he moves his index finger out of the way so that it spins on the tip of the middle and then has a different catch from a half-tap 12-12. -
Date: Wed, Apr 8 2009 17:28:20
Different catch, different spin... That cannot be a half tap =)
And what said Zombo is the real definition; in softap the pen goes over the tip of the finger, in half tap the pen spin on two finger. That is totally different... -
Date: Wed, Apr 8 2009 17:30:01
halftap 12-12 would be :32 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqU0hKcgy-8
the axis of rotation of a half tap is parallel to the length of the pen ("X" axis)
the axis of rotation of the softtap is orthogonal to the length of the pen. ("Y" axis) -
Date: Wed, Apr 8 2009 17:38:31QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 8 2009, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>halftap 12-12 would be :32 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqU0hKcgy-8
the axis of rotation of a half tap is parallel to the length of the pen ("X" axis)
the axis of rotation of the softtap is orthogonal to the length of the pen. ("Y" axis)
Hm, at 00:32, the push is different from a half-tap. For a half-tap T12, the push is from the index. For the "dual pass", the push is from the opening and closing of 12. Doesn't look like a half-tap to me. A half-tap 12 would have a push from the middle finger.
And I guess there is a difference, but I don't know, it's just very slight. -
Date: Wed, Apr 8 2009 17:48:43
im not sure what trick you're referring exactly, because Half-Tap T12 is the regular half tap
and the regular half-tap works by opening and closing of the 12 slot
half-tap works by pushing two fingers together
soft-tap works by sliding the index finger under the pen
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Date: Wed, Apr 8 2009 23:38:40QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 8 2009, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im not sure what trick you're referring exactly, because Half-Tap T12 is the regular half tap
and the regular half-tap works by opening and closing of the 12 slot
half-tap works by pushing two fingers together
soft-tap works by sliding the index finger under the pen
edit:
You referred me to 00:32 of leons vid. It's not a half-tap that he's doing. Yes, what you are doing is a half-tap, but what leon is doing isn't. At 00:32, the pen does not start off between slots 12 like a half-tap should, but rather on the fingers near the knuckle perpendicular to the fingers. He closes and opens 12 to make the pen move. Obviously not a half-tap. It is, as he calls it, a dual pass.
And thanks for the vid, Zombo. I do see the difference now. I'm not sure what possibilities there are to this trick, but I'd love to see things expanded upon it. Right now, it seems a bit useless. No offense, lindor. -
Date: Wed, Apr 8 2009 23:57:15
leon was doing non fingerless baktaps from a different starting position
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Date: Thu, Apr 9 2009 02:25:42
the most obvious use for it is that it provides a transition from "in front of the hand" to "behind the hand", e.g. palm up to palm down.