UPSB v3
Advanced Tricks / Shadow
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Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 02:30:42
I still can't get a shadow after 2 months. I made a video to show you to see if you can tell me what I am doing wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCV5GsNZFpg
I'm sorry if there is a shadow topic already but I didn't see it.
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Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 02:34:52
You're trying to go way too fast, slow it down.
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Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 02:35:33
Well heres what i do.
Hold the pen under its Center of balance so the pen will be longer on your knuckle side and shorter inside your palm
Make a small movement to get it moving
Also what i did was trace the path of the shadow with my left hand...
I got it after 3 tries for me it was ezpz -
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 03:10:58
it looks like you're holding onto the pen for too long. you want a small charge motion to get the rotation then release it. also, the hand can give a small movement on the throw but generally should stay quite still, flat and upright. it didn't look like you were allowing much of a surface for the pen to spin on in the video, your hand was often sloping and moving too much.
here's an idea, do a palm down charge 12, nice and slowly with the COP of the pen on the outside of your hand. do a few rotations like this then, at the point where the index finger would raise up(/middle finger lower), dont. leave your index down and let the pen go where it wants to. at this point you don't even need to try to catch it just get a feeling for letting the pen go at the right moment to make the pen spin on your hand.
hope this helps. i like shadows. -
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 06:20:40
i had problems with shadow too, try holding the pen with the heavy side towrd your body. Start with lifting your middle finger slightly(keeping your hand flat)startinga charge motion. Then, notice your middle finger is slightly higher than your pointer finger. This space between your middle and pointer finger is to let the pen slide out of the slot so it doesn't get stuck. Still keeping your palm flat make your fingers realign so that they are also flat. Don't worry about how the pen will spin, after some more practice you'll get it. once it spins .5 lift your pointer finger up, leaving the other fingers and palm flat. Then the pen will spin or slide into the slot you created. Don't make the slo to big or small, this is to allow it to spin .5 more times into shadow position again.
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Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 06:27:22
I dunno, I started to learn the shadow the way on Hantricks, by building up pressure with the thumflap first.
Then, when I got that down, I did it without the Thumb by moving my hand toward the right(for right handed) while keeping the wrist still. I'd jerk my hand to the left to start the motion.
By then I had the motion down, so learning the "proper" shadow was easy. -
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 06:29:42
not using your thumb will help in combos
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Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 23:09:57
Well now I've successfully done it about 4 times hahaha, it's a start. I noticed for me it's a lot easier when I hold the back of the pen right before the cap (on a RSVP MX Dual Caps)
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Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 00:16:22
perserveerence [lol i cant spell] is key!
shadows are a rily easy trick once yu get the hand motion. It took me less than a day to get them and try to learn them without
the thumbflap cos it is actually easier to just use hand motion
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Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 00:57:21QUOTE (11Thrasher11 @ Nov 10 2007, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well now I've successfully done it about 4 times hahaha, it's a start. I noticed for me it's a lot easier when I hold the back of the pen right before the cap (on a RSVP MX Dual Caps)
Don't double cap a RSVP MX! That ruins its aesthetic appeal. PSing is about beauty. Use a signo tip instead to balance the RSVP MX or inserting something under the grip.
I don't like shadows too much as they've never liked me. I'm reaching about 6 months of PSing and I still drop my shadows a lot. I say you learn backarounds or fingerarounds instead.
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Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 01:28:28
I just didn't have any HGG pens so I tried dual capped because it was all I could do. You can use Signos instead of HGGs?
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Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 02:51:11QUOTE (11Thrasher11 @ Nov 10 2007, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I just didn't have any HGG pens so I tried dual capped because it was all I could do. You can use Signos instead of HGGs?
Use a G2 for the grip and a signo for the tip.
Don't forget to use a light pen/pencil for shadowing. -
Date: Fri, Nov 23 2007 08:57:37
I found it helpful not to think of a "release" as such, but rather to think about the pen slipping away. Keep testing different finger positions, and you'll find the one that works for you every time.
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Date: Sun, Nov 25 2007 17:55:16
The trick for me was realizing that it's not a massive whip of a motion. Once you understand how the pen actually travels, try it slowly and modify you movements until you get it right.
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Date: Tue, Dec 25 2007 00:59:04
Most of the time I can get the pencil to the release part. With my middle slightly over my pointer. Then sometimes the pen will spin but it either spins to much on my knuckles and goes towards my index and pinky and flies off. Or the pen barely spins and just kind of rolls downwards down pointer and middle finger.
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Date: Tue, Dec 25 2007 16:07:33
@emblem: Sounds like you're doing Shadow 12-23 and 12-34, you're on the right track. Just keep your hand a little more balanced so it spins on top of your fingers without rolling into other slots.
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Date: Sun, Dec 30 2007 22:19:38
I'm having some trouble getting the shadow 12-23 down, it keeps doing a shadow still instead of going down. and if i tilt my hand too muich it just falls off.
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Date: Sun, Dec 30 2007 22:35:14QUOTE (Clam @ Dec 30 2007, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm having some trouble getting the shadow 12-23 down, it keeps doing a shadow still instead of going down. and if i tilt my hand too muich it just falls off.
any hints specifically for 12-23?
hold the pen with the cop further out
this way, more of the pen can spin on your hand and land further down on your hand (so into the 23 slot)
and then to do the shadow 12-34, hold it even further out
but don't hold it out so much that it looks too awkward or if it's too hard to get the momentum to swing it to the back of your hand
when doing a shadow still, i hold the pen at the center...sometimes a bit more on the outside
and then shadow 12-23, 3/5 of the pen is on the outside and 2/5 on the inside
you probably dont' need to go any further than this or else i'd probably look kinda awkward, so then the diff. between doing a shadow 12-23 and a shadow 12-34 is just which slot you open up and allow for the pen to fall through -
Date: Mon, Dec 31 2007 02:03:12
Additionally, after the push for the Shadow, keep you middle finger above the plane of the other fingers. This way, the pen will hit against the middle finger and enter 23 for the catch. Of course, do what -JC- said about the COP (i.e. holding the pen with the COP further out).
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Date: Mon, Dec 31 2007 02:05:41
you know, what's odd for me is that i can't do a shadow with my hand completely horizontal with the table/floor/other surface that i'm doing the trick on
i have to do my shadow with my hand at a 45 degree angle tilt towards teh right (i'm right handed)
that's teh only way it works for me, and i have no idea why...
i should probably try to break out of this habit
edit: my hand starts out completely flat, but after the initial push, it jsut tilts... -
Date: Mon, Dec 31 2007 03:09:39QUOTE (-JC- @ Dec 30 2007, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>you know, what's odd for me is that i can't do a shadow with my hand completely horizontal with the table/floor/other surface that i'm doing the trick on
i have to do my shadow with my hand at a 45 degree angle tilt towards teh right (i'm right handed)
that's teh only way it works for me, and i have no idea why...
i should probably try to break out of this habit
edit: my hand starts out completely flat, but after the initial push, it jsut tilts...
You're putting too much force in the initial .5 charge rotation, so you have to bend your hand 45 degrees to keep it from flying. -
Date: Mon, Dec 31 2007 03:20:14
hmm..i think you may be right
i'm putting less force now, but i think that the tilt may just be a habitual problem
i'll keep on using this much lighter amount of force
i've learned it by using a lot of force, so i guess i just kept on doing it that way -
Date: Mon, Dec 31 2007 21:02:32
Whenever I do a shadow, and it's not that great cause I just started practising it, it usually goes from 12 to 34.
Any tips on how to NOT do that? -
Date: Mon, Dec 31 2007 21:27:06
first off, check the positioning of your pen by reading my previous post on the previous page
after doing that, if it still doesn't happen to fall into the 12 slot (do this suggestion next--i did this too when i was trying to learn it), then try your best to hold your 34 slot together and resist opening it, use tape if necessary
this way, you'll get the feel for landing it into teh 12 slot once your hand is forced to do so
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Date: Sat, Jan 12 2008 21:27:27
Any tips on releasing the "charge"?
For some odd reason I just can't seem to release it.
Maybe my form is bad ._.
Edit: Nevermind. Yeah my form was bad. My index finger was too straight when I was charging. >_>
Edit2 : WOOT I DID IT! -
Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 09:49:20
Shadow is a lot about being able to release the pen, and well... the only way to learn to do that is by actually releasing it :/
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Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 03:33:40
eew my shadow looks all weird
my wrist keep curling bak whenever i do it... is that like ... normal? 'cause it looks mad weird -
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 10:41:49QUOTE (mhig @ Jan 19 2008, 05:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>eew my shadow looks all weird
my wrist keep curling bak whenever i do it... is that like ... normal? 'cause it looks mad weird
I did that seldom when I did the shadow, its just a matter of practice of the skill until you do it the way you want it and overcoming reflexes. -
Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 09:14:23
shadow is a very smooth trick...you must slow down...i've been penspinning for bout 2 months (almost) and got it after like 1 monthshadow is a very smooth trick...you must slow down...i've been penspinning for bout 2 months (almost) and got it after like 1 month (EDIT: i didn't learn it after one month...i started to learning it when i was spinning for 1 month)...practice..got it in 2 days
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Date: Sun, Feb 3 2008 20:46:10
I was with some problems with shadow too, but i got it yesterday and today i woke up doing shadow fall
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Date: Wed, Feb 20 2008 04:43:24
When I go to do shadow 13 I'm not really sure how
get it to reposition back into 13. Like I'm not sure
how to get it to roll over the 2nd finger it just
doesnt catch and rolls off.Any tips? -
Date: Thu, Feb 21 2008 00:40:42QUOTE (tylt @ Feb 19 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When I go to do shadow 13 I'm not really sure how
get it to reposition back into 13. Like I'm not sure
how to get it to roll over the 2nd finger it just
doesnt catch and rolls off.Any tips?
Hmm...Practice? I learned the shadow 13-13 after learning the devil's around.
I think you need more momentum. Try performing this hybrid: Inverse Sonic 23-12 ~ Shadow 13-13. Or do it from Shadow 13-12 until you get the hang of it and try Shadow 13-13. -
Date: Sun, Feb 24 2008 10:43:55
for me it was how i let go, i used to open 12 and drop 1 down completely... obviously the pen had nowhere to go but the thumb flap or the floor
i learned eventually (6 months or so
) just to drop the index finger a little at the 2nd knuckle and a lot at the 3rd (closest to the fingertip)
or you could try shadow rise 23-12, helps get the motion right, its like blocking a sonic by not opening the 12 slot until the pen has spun more
now i can do cont shadow stills 12-12, no hand movement -
Date: Sun, Feb 24 2008 11:30:41
Any tips how to do the shadow T1-12? @_@
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Date: Sun, Feb 24 2008 12:59:33
afterplace, try and learn charge t1 first
rigth now i still need hand motion to do teh shadow t1-12 and the charge t1 as well too (dunno if there is suppose to be hand motion or not) and i can't seem to break out of it
for shadow 12 still, it's easy for me now to do it without any hand motion, but shadow t1-12 seems to depend heavily on that slight flick of a wrist
so try and learn charge t1 first which you can basically do by kinda throwing the pen's weight around so it can get enough momentum for the charge like motion
then it's just a matter of releasing it and landing it into the 12 slot
i can't seem to do shadow t1-t1 though
well, i can sorta do it, but it's a lot tougher than the shadow t1-12 and it always comes out choppy (whenever i get it at all -__-'') -
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 01:22:12
Trying to link shadows together, I can do Shadow Stills fine, (1-2, 2-3, 3-4) and transfer from 1-2 to 2-3. I understand that to get this, I lift up finger 2 so it creates a gap for it to fall into 2-3. This causes the pen to go RIGHT. If I try to do 3-4 to 1-2, it just falls off, how can I get it to travel LEFT along the hand? 3-4 ->
2-3 is just about doable but distance from 3-4 to 1-2 is too much. Do I throw the weight further to the left when I jerk the hand or something? Tips, etc, please.
If this is in the wrong forum, apologies. Please move accordingly. -
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 01:59:28QUOTEDo I throw the weight further to the left when I jerk the hand or something?
That's pretty much what i do when with 'shadow 34-12'.
When you do something like shadow still 34-34 you keep the charge motion between 34 as long as possible and release the pen at the latest point in order to keep it spinning in the same spot so you can catch it in 34 again. When you're doing something like shadow 34-12 you want the pen to move left as much as possible so the charge motion between 34 is cut short and you release the pen a little earlier when the momentum is going left. That's how i rationalize it all anyway :shrug: -
Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 09:46:19
just do a charge motion, palm down, and when you do half a charge just put your midle fingedr a bit up so the pen can go through
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Date: Mon, Mar 31 2008 21:52:11QUOTE (-JC- @ Dec 31 2007, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>try your best to hold your 34 slot together and resist opening it, use tape if necessary
This is a great idea. I wish i thought to do this when i first learned the trick. The Shadow was one of the first tricks i learned and i personally(although not a pro) would consider this one of the most important tricks to learn after getting down the fundamentals. One thing i learned really quickly was to do anything possible to get out of the habit of snapping the pen off of your thumbflap. This is a really bad habit because later on, your tricks can start looking very choppy. Try holding the pen loose, hold it here:
======x==COP=========
when you spin it, it should be held between the big knuckle and the little knuckle. Hold it between 12, push down with 1 and pivot off of 2. The motion is more like doing a sonic, than a charge IMHO. The pen should spin Counter Clockwise on top of your first two fingers and it will land in the exact same spot you started. The hardest part is feeling comfortable NOT holding the pen while it is spinning on the top of your hand. Once you get over that part, its not too tough. These are easy to link continuously if you do them slow enough. This trick is much easier to learn when using a skinny evenly shaped pen like a bictory rather than with the odd/uneven shape of an RSVP MX -
Date: Wed, Apr 2 2008 08:33:15
Any tips doing shadow from 23-34? I keep doing 23-12 instead
Tape won't work coz i need my middle finger to start the shadow? -
Date: Wed, Apr 2 2008 10:10:21
Try holding onto the pen longer before letting go to help direct the pen over the ring finger.
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Date: Wed, Apr 2 2008 19:09:00
Taping shouldn't be a problem because you can still move your middle finger, just the index will move with it too.
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Date: Wed, Apr 2 2008 23:39:30QUOTE (Crusader @ Apr 2 2008, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Any tips doing shadow from 23-34? I keep doing 23-12 instead Tape won't work coz i need my middle finger to start the shadow?
Try tilting your hand down a bit (tip your pinky down); that`ll help the pen move towards 34. After you get it you can always stop tilting your hand as it isn`t as visually appealing=P. -
Date: Thu, Apr 3 2008 08:22:08QUOTE (Crusader @ Apr 2 2008, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Any tips doing shadow from 23-34? I keep doing 23-12 instead Tape won't work coz i need my middle finger to start the shadow?
well...shadow is a trick that takes practice, practice and more practice...it's not complicated but you just need to practice...try, when doing it, to twist your hand a bit to the right (if you're right handed, cause if you're left handed twist to left) about 45º ...maybe not that much...practice^^
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Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 08:28:08
can a shadow go from, 12-12. cept that sounds more like an indexaround.
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Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 08:35:29
Yes it can. It doesn't go around the index finger though. It spins above it.
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Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 23:39:54
ahh yeah i ment spin on top, ha.
thanks, anyways that sounds harder than catching it in 34. -
Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 23:47:39
many people find it harder to catch in 34 because they aren't very flexible with their pinky.
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Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 00:19:57
meh, some people might find it easier cause its easier to spin it over the hand than over one finger
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Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 00:23:24
nah it actually spins over 12 when i do it
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Date: Sun, Apr 27 2008 03:12:58
I wish my pinky were just as long as the rest of my fingers. imo that would be really weird, but i have a higher drop rate when I start doing shadow from 34 finger slot, like 34-12 or 34-23... I can do it 80 percent of the time, while I never drop 12-23 12-12, 23-12, etc. Pinkies are annoying, from playing to the violin, to penspinning...
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Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 04:16:34
well said, but why do u think they invented chainsaws.
when u do the shadow do u have to move ur whole hand to get the pen moving or even a wrist motion. i still cant do the charge very well and i imagine strating with a charge would be easier. -
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 05:40:20
You can always use some hand movement if it helps. Eventually, there should be no need to use the entire hand, just the Charge rotation to start should be enough.
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Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 07:23:26
I was wondering as for shadows, are they still called shadows if they spin mostly above the index finger for shadow 12-12? Cause most of the videos I see have their pen on middle finger for the top spin during shadow.
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Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 07:52:33
Yes, they're still shadows. My shadows from 12-12 only spin on my index, I don't see how it would spin on your middle.
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Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 09:00:40QUOTE (Rorix @ Apr 27 2008, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes, they're still shadows. My shadows from 12-12 only spin on my index, I don't see how it would spin on your middle.
It just depends. Mine spin
on my middle finger. Sometimes
they'll go a bit crazy and go on top
of my index but most of the time when
its controlled its on top of the middle.
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Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 20:29:43
yeh, my shadows 12-12 spin almost in my index alone, barely thouching the middle...
btw,im now trying to learn shadows starting on 23, i mean 23-12, 23-23, 23-34. my problem is that i confuse with the devils sonic... any tips so that i let it spin on 23?? its all about practice i suppose but... thnx
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Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 20:53:30
My shadow still 12s spin on both fingers. O.o
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Date: Tue, Apr 29 2008 15:17:14
I can't get the shadow to even start up. How do you even get it to move?
If someone could put a video in slo-mo to help, that would be great! -
Date: Tue, Apr 29 2008 15:21:39
It starts off like a Charge.
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Date: Tue, Apr 29 2008 16:44:45QUOTE (sketching @ Apr 29 2008, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It starts off like a Charge.
I can do the charge in all fingers so I am good there. -
Date: Wed, Apr 30 2008 14:23:25
Then you're doing something wrong. If you can charge, you can start it. You just need to keep practicing, that's all. Practice allows you to get the feel of what it's supposed to do... and what it's not supposed to do.
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Date: Wed, Apr 30 2008 15:10:17
@KarBea: where does the pen travel when you let go of it? You should be letting go a little before 1/2 a Charge rotation.
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Date: Wed, Apr 30 2008 16:37:08QUOTE (KarBea @ Apr 29 2008, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can do the charge in all fingers so I am good there.
charge motion then throw it around the finger! -
Date: Wed, Apr 30 2008 16:47:07
ok, so you start in between the index and middle fingers? Where do you catch it? I just can't get it to move!!!
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Date: Wed, Apr 30 2008 17:08:54
@KarBea: do 1/2 a Charge rotation (palm-down), let go of the pen and let it spin another 1/2 rotation on top of the fingers, catch the pen with another 1/2 Charge rotation. Have you watched any videos of Shadow? Answer my question from before so that I know what the pen is doing. If you are starting the Charge rotation, how is the pen not moving?
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Date: Thu, May 1 2008 02:37:10
I can get the charge motion and can catch it when it works.
My problem is to get the pen passing between 1-2 and getting to the top of the hand. I can do the charge motion but when i release the pen, my index finger unfolds instantly and block the pen' s passage. Am I doing something wrong?
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Date: Thu, May 1 2008 02:41:44QUOTE (Jacobä @ Apr 30 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can get the charge motion and can catch it when it works.
My problem is to get the pen passing between 1-2 and getting to the top of the hand. I can do the charge motion but when i release the pen, my index finger unfolds instantly and block the pen' s passage. Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks
This was my world of pain for quite awhile too. It just comes with practice is all I can say. See if you can learn the Devil's Around because I learned Shadows based off that trick. -
Date: Thu, May 1 2008 11:23:04
Hello, I have a few questions about Shadow and I've practiced it for a bit at school.
How do i make the pen go in the slot i want to?
When I release the pen, should my fingers(1-4) all be connected to each other?
Also, is the pen supposed to spin on my index finger? cuz it always spins on my index =S -
Date: Thu, May 1 2008 14:53:10
@Jacobä: if the index finger is not staying bent and out of the way, then that's what you need to practice: keeping the index finger bent until the pen goes up onto the backs of the fingers.
@Noob: I assume you're doing a Shadow 12-12, correct? If so, the pen can spin on just the index finger. To get the pen going down the hand, you should be holding onto the pen a bit longer before releasing. -
Date: Thu, May 1 2008 14:56:24
I have a bad problem with catching...Everytime it starts to spin on my hand I get excited and drop it instead
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Date: Thu, May 1 2008 15:22:01QUOTE (sketching @ Apr 30 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@KarBea: do 1/2 a Charge rotation (palm-down), let go of the pen and let it spin another 1/2 rotation on top of the fingers, catch the pen with another 1/2 Charge rotation. Have you watched any videos of Shadow? Answer my question from before so that I know what the pen is doing. If you are starting the Charge rotation, how is the pen not moving?
Well it moves towards my arm and not on top of my fingers. I have watched some videos -
Date: Thu, May 1 2008 16:54:28
wouldnt shadows be under fundementals???
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Date: Thu, May 1 2008 17:56:15
No, because Shadow is not a Fundamental.
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Date: Thu, May 1 2008 22:53:32
ok, I can get it sometimes, but I mostly catch it in the wrong finger than what I want. any suggestions?
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Date: Thu, May 1 2008 23:01:50QUOTE (KarBea @ May 1 2008, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ok, I can get it sometimes, but I mostly catch it in the wrong finger than what I want. any suggestions?
Try to keep you hand as flat as possible and once you can
get it with a pretty good completion rate 12-12 then you can
work on the other fingers. just try and keep your hand flat and
control the movement from the throw of the pen out of the slot -
Date: Fri, May 2 2008 09:39:23
i didn't read what you wrote, so sorry if i will repeat someone.
I learn shadow with screwdriver (like third from right in picture http://www.global-b2b-network.com/direct/d...crewdriver.jpg). Easy to control, and to learn shadow at all. Try it! (well, don't know, maybe it just worked for me xd)
Edit: you have to hold it on heavy side. -
Date: Fri, May 2 2008 09:44:48
I don't get how attempting a shadow with a screwdriver is easier than shadow with a pen.
This is pen spinning after all. -
Date: Fri, May 2 2008 09:51:01
well, it's easier to get screwdriver off of your fingers, because it's heavy. Anyway, i just do shadow with a pen like 4/5, and with screwdriver - 19/20
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Date: Sat, May 3 2008 02:31:58
Now that i can get the pen moving to the top of my hand with a good success rate another problem seemed to appear.
The pen is constantly falling to the T1 slot rather than staying in 12. In this case what can be wrong? -
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 02:44:04QUOTE (Jacobä @ May 3 2008, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Now that i can get the pen moving to the top of my hand with a good success rate another problem seemed to appear.
The pen is constantly falling to the T1 slot rather than staying in 12. In this case what can be wrong?
I have the same problem D= -
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 03:23:25
just keep practicing and you'll control the pen path better
i used to have the same problem -
Date: Sat, May 3 2008 07:07:52
Yes, keep practicing, but till that time i would offer shadow 12-T1 --> TA extend. After that you will get same position, just a bit cooler
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Date: Mon, May 5 2008 16:54:03QUOTE (Jacobä @ May 2 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Now that i can get the pen moving to the top of my hand with a good success rate another problem seemed to appear.
The pen is constantly falling to the T1 slot rather than staying in 12. In this case what can be wrong?
Yeah mine falls to either the 23 or 34. I don't know how to stop it from doing that.QUOTE (tylt @ May 1 2008, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Try to keep you hand as flat as possible and once you can
get it with a pretty good completion rate 12-12 then you can
work on the other fingers. just try and keep your hand flat and
control the movement from the throw of the pen out of the slot
It keeps falling to the 23 or 34. I only got it once to where I felt like it was supposed to do that. -
Date: Wed, May 7 2008 22:44:54
Do you recommend starting off slow when learning the shadow or what? Also, is it better to learn a tricks with one hand then learn the same tricks with the other, or learn one trick with both hands then move onto the next trick?
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 05:31:45
I don't know if this has been answered or not but how is a shadow continous possible? I can do a regular shadow but I'm having trouble doing continous. I've seen eso's video and when he does it and I don't see how you can end the shadow then go into another shadow. The shadow ends in a position different from when you originally start it.
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Date: Sun, May 18 2008 05:36:28
The pen ends up backwards from when it started, but I start slightly below the COG/COP and usually end up there too. If I happen to start off a bit higher than that than a slight finger movement takes care of it quickly.
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Date: Fri, May 23 2008 08:14:07
i dont think starting slow would help. it might.
but i couldnt get the throw down, the catch was easier for me.
if u were the opposite though, maybe starting slow would help.
something just clicked and know i can do it, and catch it in every slot. is it possible to start a shadow from a different slot eg. 23 insted of starting in 12 like normal. -
Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 17:54:51
anyone have any tips on controling the pen where to go?
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Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 18:52:31
I've found that if you hold the charge longer before releasing it goes to other slots more easily.
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Date: Wed, Jun 4 2008 18:53:00QUOTE (tensa77 @ Jun 4 2008, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>anyone have any tips on controling the pen where to go?
It's a feelling that comes with practice. -
Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 08:59:44
only thing we can help you with is to tell you to practice, since it's a trick that only with practice can be one....i doesn't have much theory...
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Date: Fri, Jun 20 2008 10:01:20QUOTE (Noob @ May 2 2008, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have the same problem D=
i had the same prob once. the most likely cause is that u r charging 2 hard. shadow doesnt require a hard charge motion. -
Date: Fri, Jun 20 2008 11:32:30
hey,
spin the pen just on the index finger or also on the middle finger?(shadow 12-12)
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Date: Fri, Jun 20 2008 11:34:02
Either or both; it doesn't matter.
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Date: Sat, Jun 21 2008 15:30:42
shadows arent too hard. I watched eso's tutorial and practiced for about a week i think.its hard at first but once u have it down, its easy
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Date: Sat, Jun 21 2008 17:58:04
eso tutorial i could make it at all
i watch xero's tut
and woot i made it
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Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 00:32:16QUOTE (someone @ Jun 20 2008, 06:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Either or both; it doesn't matter.
if u r doin shadow still 12, it should be on both or middle finger, not on the index. if its on index, u wont b able to catch it.
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Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 17:22:22
You can still catch the pen if it is on the index finger, tilt your hand to make the pen fall into the 12 slot.
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Date: Sun, Jun 22 2008 17:26:24
yea it's whatever you want. i can do a shadow still 2.0 on the index, looks pretty cool
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Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 07:47:31
lol, my friend thought shadow was 2 revs, so it took him forever to learn it. only after spending weeks on it did he realize it wuz 1.5. MAN, u should seen his face...
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Date: Mon, Jun 23 2008 22:00:20
i can't control wether its gonna land on 12 or 23 so hard..
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Date: Thu, Jun 26 2008 12:22:35
okay this is what you do. Focus REALL HARD on the position you want it to fall in
JK alright, I was testing my shadows because I can do them kinda good, and I noticed, if you do a shadow, and you open the slot you want the pen to fall, you can catch it there..Or you can tilt your hand, LIKE ONLY A LITTLE! LIKE VERY unnoticeable to the human eye, and it should move to that slot. -
Date: Fri, Jun 27 2008 01:10:50
I have the same problem for 23/34.
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Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 05:50:28
i cant do shadows between 34 or make the pen land in 34. rest is easy
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Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 17:52:59
practice time for me
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Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 23:55:02
I don't know if I'm doing a shadow right but here's what I think I'm doing: (i'm trying to do shadow still 12)
I do half a charge but don't raise the index finger and let the pen stop on top of it.
Then I do a baktap but let the pen slip under the index finger.
The problem with this is that I have to stop the charge to do a baktap. I was under the impression that the momentum from the charge makes it spin on top of the hand but when I don't stop the charge, the pen almost always falls into T1. -
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 00:13:42
Just keep practicing; I used to have the falling into T1 problem. Don't do a baktap.
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Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 01:36:18QUOTE (NaDa @ Jun 29 2008, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just keep practicing; I used to have the falling into T1 problem. Don't do a baktap.
i have that... what do i do?!!! :*( i have no shadow!! -
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 06:35:31
i learnt to do shadow with alot of hand movement rather than a charge.
by like flicking it out to one side and bringing it back to make it spin.
maybe try not aiming for the 12 slot if its falling into T1,
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Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 14:34:52
@xonon: if the pen is falling into the T1 slot, you are not holding onto the long enough during the Charge motion to direct the pen up and onto the back of the fingers.
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Date: Tue, Aug 5 2008 15:26:18
I'm able to do the shadow but I have no idea how to even do continous. The pen ends up in a different position than it was when it starts.
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Date: Thu, Aug 7 2008 16:35:45QUOTE (emblem @ Aug 5 2008, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm able to do the shadow but I have no idea how to even do continous. The pen ends up in a different position than it was when it starts.
What I do is when the pen is do the shadow's motion before it gets to it's original position, to keep the momentum flowing. haha
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Date: Fri, Aug 8 2008 00:45:02
A shadow has 1.5 revolutions total. So if I performed a shadow with an extra revolution, would I call it a shadow 2.5 or a shadow 2.0?
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Date: Fri, Aug 8 2008 00:46:25
If it's a whole revolution, 2.5.
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Date: Fri, Aug 8 2008 00:51:46QUOTE (Mike @ Aug 7 2008, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If it's a whole revolution, 2.5.
If it's only half, 2.0.
Okay, so a shadow 2.5 is a shadow with a total of 2.5 revolutions. Just making sure, thanks mike. Just making sure what I'm doing is a shadow 2.5. It sucks when you're not sure what you're doing. -
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 06:03:47
How long did it take you people to learn a shadow and what pen should you use?
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Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 06:09:28QUOTE (InstantNoodles @ Oct 18 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How long did it take you people to learn a shadow and what pen should you use?
To perform a shadow, I used a light pen. A bictory or a pencil is good. It was harder with heavy pens.
And I don't remember how long it took me, maybe... 1-2 weeks? -
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 11:23:33
Any tips on doing Shadow from 34 to the rest of the fingers? Whenever I execute Shadow from 34, the pen usually flies off to the left side of my right hand.
Could it be due to be the force I'm flinging the pen during the charge-like motion?
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Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 19:04:43QUOTE (Scandiacus @ Oct 19 2008, 04:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Any tips on doing Shadow from 34 to the rest of the fingers? Whenever I execute Shadow from 34, the pen usually flies off to the left side of my right hand.
Could it be due to be the force I'm flinging the pen during the charge-like motion?
I can do Shadow 12-12, 12-23, 23-12 btw, but not from or into 34.
Practice, you're probably using too much force. Are you using a BICtory or a pencil? -
Date: Mon, Oct 20 2008 11:22:54QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Oct 20 2008, 03:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Practice, you're probably using too much force. Are you using a BICtory or a pencil?
Uhh nope. Just a zig marker with four grips.
Oh and, I can start to catch Shadow on 34 already, but not execute Shadow FROM 34. Damned >_> -
Date: Thu, Oct 30 2008 13:38:37
Well.i dunno whether anyone had this problem.
i can do Shadow With a Ballsign.but i cant do it with Mx,because the barrel is too dry.it cant seem to spin...
Prolly 50% is because i'm not really good.but will the barrel smoothness hinder your shadow? -
Date: Thu, Oct 30 2008 13:54:28
No..
I've done shadow at least twice on all my mods.. from a Bictory to a Black Bonkura KT. -
Date: Thu, Oct 30 2008 17:01:35
Actually, it does. As with all top spin tricks, the mod is subject to the friction between the hand and itself therefore the differing smoothness of the barrel can affect the amount of force needed to slide the pen onto the top of your fingers.
Although I can stick at least 40 Cont. Shadows on both mx and kt, one not so experienced can find a smoother, drier barrel easier to execute a shadow due to the lesser friction than one which is less smooth. -
Date: Thu, Nov 13 2008 19:42:48
I'm currently doing the Shadow 12-12 and I'm having a problem with the 1.5 revolution. As I catch the pen after 1 revolution, it just sits there and doesn't go the final .5 revolution to end the Shadow.
Eso addresses this in his video @ 6:35 but doesn't really explain how to fix it .
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Date: Thu, Nov 13 2008 19:47:28
Don't worry about that... if you're referring to the 0.5 charge afterward... it should be natural after catching the shadow, and it will come in time if it doesn't spin now.
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Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 04:19:06
I use a bit of wrist snapping to get my Shadow started, Is that ok?
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Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 04:45:15QUOTE (Eak @ Nov 21 2008, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I use a bit of wrist snapping to get my Shadow started, Is that ok?
Wrist snapping? Should be fine, since most people use a flick of the wrist to learn shadow. -
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 15:15:24QUOTEDon't worry about that... if you're referring to the 0.5 charge afterward... it should be natural after catching the shadow, and it will come in time if it doesn't spin now.
Yes! I finally got it work after just constantly practicing it for the last week. My problem was that I was using the thumbflap to do the Shadow. Once I got the motion down without using pressure, it just went through naturally. -
Date: Tue, Nov 25 2008 09:44:42
Any tips for Shadow Normal with multiple spins? I can do 2.0 revolution at most and 2.0 or more are just pure luck
Tips such as hand position/finger position/etc., thanks -
Date: Tue, Nov 25 2008 13:33:25QUOTE (Scandiacus @ Nov 25 2008, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Any tips for Shadow Normal with multiple spins? I can do 2.0 revolution at most and 2.0 or more are just pure luck
Tips such as hand position/finger position/etc., thanks
I dont know how to say it but bend down your phlanyx a little.. Then it will spin until it falls off or until it slows down.. w/e.
Well here's shadow 3.5 12-23 by me. Just watch it and you might get what I'm trying to say:
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Date: Wed, Nov 26 2008 14:12:38
That's the video you posted when I requested for it in the "Request a trick" thread
But, whenever I try to do Shadow, the pen spins and glides all over my hand instead of spinning in a fixed spot (over the middle finger for 12-12) -
Date: Wed, Nov 26 2008 15:20:21QUOTE (Scandiacus @ Nov 26 2008, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That's the video you posted when I requested for it in the "Request a trick" thread
But, whenever I try to do Shadow, the pen spins and glides all over my hand instead of spinning in a fixed spot (over the middle finger for 12-12)
Then make a gap between 12 and 3. Like: 12 3 4.
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Date: Thu, Nov 27 2008 09:30:37
Aye. Thanks for the tip. It spins better now
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 06:17:59
I still rely on a hand jerk to do a shadow
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Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 07:08:19QUOTE (Jiinn @ Dec 4 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I still rely on a hand jerk to do a shadow
It'll go with practice. If you master the the part where you go from the half charge to the back of the hand, you wouldn't need it. -
Date: Thu, Dec 11 2008 05:41:10
I have been trying to do a shadow for the past two days, and most of the time I stick it into a charge. When I do let the pen go, it usually spins way too fast or flys away in another direction. Sometimes I do get it, but the pen doesnt actually spin, more like flys in the air and I catch it
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Date: Fri, Dec 12 2008 07:54:48
Yeah, I'm learning this trick atm... I think i just need more practice though.. no major problems as of yet. I'd suggest looking at lots of examples of how its done.
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Date: Fri, Dec 12 2008 17:57:44
Somehow I couldn't seem to do Shadow from 34. My pinky tends to stick and point upwards resulting a Charge 0.5 34 ~> PinkyBak Rev 0.5 ~> Pen on floor
Any tips to help me?
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Date: Tue, Dec 16 2008 05:11:20
any tips on the starting charge because i can only do the devils around and devils sonic because of the twisted sonic motion helping but i cant seem to do it w/o the twisted sonic
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Date: Tue, Dec 16 2008 05:29:32QUOTE (DivineObsidian @ Dec 15 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>any tips on the starting charge because i can only do the devils around and devils sonic because of the twisted sonic motion helping but i cant seem to do it w/o the twisted sonic
First, make sure you can do a 1.0 revolution of charge palm-down consistently.
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Date: Sun, Dec 21 2008 19:37:11
Umm...how do I do a Shadow Reverse?
I always end up doing Charge Reverse 12 -> Bak 12-12
I can't seem to figure out the release to let the pen spin on top of my fingers -
Date: Mon, Dec 22 2008 04:39:06QUOTE (Scandiacus @ Dec 22 2008, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Umm...how do I do a Shadow Reverse?
I always end up doing Charge Reverse 12 -> Bak 12-12
I can't seem to figure out the release to let the pen spin on top of my fingers
It's way easier if you learn NeoBak. For that; do a bak 1.5 and let it spin on both, 1 and 2. then, open 1 and 2 so that the pen fall in between. This is a FL shadow reverse. Do this for a while and you'll get it. -
Date: Mon, Dec 22 2008 07:34:06
I can only do NeoBak 23-12 though, just really couldn't figure out the release for Shadow Reverse.
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Date: Wed, Dec 24 2008 20:08:04
I can do every neobak and shadow, exept for those starting in 34
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Date: Thu, Dec 25 2008 04:59:29QUOTE (KhaDori @ Dec 25 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can do every neobak and shadow, exept for those starting in 34
Try to do a ringbak kinda thing.. like hold it between 123 and 4 and do a ringbak but close down all slots and make it go 0.5 more revolutions and open any slot to let down the pen. That would be a neobak 34-xx.
I'll get a video later since that description is not very "understandable".
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Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 14:09:55
I need help with inv shadow, I can't figure out how to let the pen slip out onto the palm, and should I go clockwise or counter clockwise?
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Date: Sat, Dec 27 2008 16:55:17QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Dec 27 2008, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I need help with inv shadow, I can't figure out how to let the pen slip out onto the palm, and should I go clockwise or counter clockwise?
Start out with a Charge, palm up and holding the pen near the tip with most of the pen on the fingers/palm. Do a complete Charge and do not catch the pen but instead bend your indexfinger DOWN towards the ground and the pen should spin on your fingers/palm/etc.
That's what I do though...and from watching SEVEN's videos too
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Date: Tue, Dec 30 2008 06:23:55
This is my new favorite trick, and tips on 23 Shadow Still and 23 > 34 Shadow?
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Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 22:46:23
I have a question about this too. I am trying to do a shadow 12-12 but when I release the pen, it either goes down to my pinky, OR it moves towards my thumb. I cannot keep it in one spot. Please help! and thank you.
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Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 23:29:55QUOTE (Tekkai @ Jan 13 2009, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have a question about this too. I am trying to do a shadow 12-12 but when I release the pen, it either goes down to my pinky, OR it moves towards my thumb. I cannot keep it in one spot. Please help! and thank you.
I think it happens a lot to people learning shadow, you pretty much have to practice keeping your hand level so the pen doesn't move either way. Also, if you're using a lot of force, maybe try cut down on it, makes it easier to control. -
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 17:00:18
this was probably asked already, but how many rotations does a shadow do? I heard somewhere about an initial '.5 charge roatation', please clarify! Also, what are the standard fingers used? T1-T1, or 12-12?
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Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 21:32:26QUOTE (G.lanz @ Feb 9 2009, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>this was probably asked already, but how many rotations does a shadow do? I heard somewhere about an initial '.5 charge roatation', please clarify! Also, what are the standard fingers used? T1-T1, or 12-12?
thanks in advance!
It end up being 1.5 rotations when the trick is finished, and it's the 12-12 slot if you're doing a shadow still in that slot. I'm familiar with any form of shadow that uses the thumb. -
Date: Mon, Mar 2 2009 20:07:41
In order to be a shadow should be 1.5 revolution in EXCEPTION of one shadow that does 1 revolution which is Shadow 12-T1 I think or TF
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Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 17:56:52
I'm having trouble with the Shadow's catch... when I catch the pen, it stops spinning. I'm guessing that 1) I'm catching too hard and 2) the nearly-momentumless non-weighted BICtory I'm using isn't helping. Does this just need more practice to catch more loosely, or is there something I'm missing?
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Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 21:04:24
i would just say catch it more loosely and definately not to rele squeeze the pen when catching it. Ive just been able to start doing shadow cont and i realized you cant squeeze the pen after every catch, but just when in the position of the catch, to just keep pushing the momentum rather than just catching it roughly. also i find using a Bictory mod for shadows is kinda difficult. i just use either a commsa or MXSA cuz they have better momentum
also would shadow rise and fall be shadow 34-23>shadow 23-12> shadow 12-12> shadow 12-23> shadow 23-34? -
Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 23:46:18QUOTE (Conneticarina @ Mar 19 2009, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i would just say catch it more loosely and definately not to rele squeeze the pen when catching it. Ive just been able to start doing sadow cont and i realized you cant squeeze the pen after every catch, but just when in the position of the catch, to just keep pushing the momentum rather than just catching it roughly. also i find using a Bictory mod for shadows is kinda difficult. i just use either a commsa or MXSA cuz they have better momentum
also would shadow rise and fall be shadow 34-23>shadow 23-12> shadow 12-12> shadow 12-23> shadow 23-34?
I believe a true Shadow Fall would be:
Shadow 12-13-23-24-34
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Date: Fri, Mar 20 2009 00:15:07
anyone got any tips for starting the shadow in T1-12?
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Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 20:07:17QUOTE (kenny158 @ Mar 20 2009, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>anyone got any tips for starting the shadow in T1-12?
Start it as if you would do a Fl Fake Rev, and don't be afraid to move your hand a little bit/a lot when trying to learn it. -
Date: Tue, Mar 31 2009 01:50:21
im still a noob but the first advanced tricked i learned was the shadow, i can do normal shadow, shadow reverse, and shadow still but my transition from a trick to shadow or from shadow to a new spin is pretty crappy, i can do it but its just not fluid enough. any tips?
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Date: Tue, Mar 31 2009 02:00:48QUOTE (shimshim91 @ Mar 30 2009, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im still a noob but the first advanced tricked i learned was the shadow, i can do normal shadow, shadow reverse, and shadow still but my transition from a trick to shadow or from shadow to a new spin is pretty crappy, i can do it but its just not fluid enough. any tips?
First, practice the trick that you use to link to shadow (e.g. if you are doing ThumbAround Extended T1-12 > Shadow Still 12-12, practice catching ThumbAround Extended in the position you use to start the Shadow Still)
Also, since the Shadow uses the Charge motion to start, you can throw in a a few Charges before performing the Shadow. This will help your hand be more familiar with the movement. Once you are comfortable with the movement, take out the Charges and do the Shadow right after your trick.
Hope this helped
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Date: Fri, Apr 3 2009 19:52:57QUOTE (Eric @ Mar 30 2009, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>First, practice the trick that you use to link to shadow (e.g. if you are doing ThumbAround Extended T1-12 > Shadow Still 12-12, practice catching ThumbAround Extended in the position you use to start the Shadow Still)
Also, since the Shadow uses the Charge motion to start, you can throw in a a few Charges before performing the Shadow. This will help your hand be more familiar with the movement. Once you are comfortable with the movement, take out the Charges and do the Shadow right after your trick.
Hope this helped
yeah thanks! hey also could you tell me how to do continous shadow? im pretty sure that its just shadow still 12-12 and again and again but im not completely positive -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 21:56:11
I dont get how you incorporate shadows into combos >_>
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Date: Tue, May 5 2009 22:00:16QUOTE (shimshim91 @ Mar 30 2009, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im still a noob but the first advanced tricked i learned was the shadow, i can do normal shadow, shadow reverse, and shadow still but my transition from a trick to shadow or from shadow to a new spin is pretty crappy, i can do it but its just not fluid enough. any tips?
First of all u should just practice it alout. And second try to do easy tricks like a sonic in to a shadow or charge the shadow. hope it helps. -
Date: Fri, May 8 2009 16:12:50QUOTE (Success @ May 6 2009, 05:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I dont get how you incorporate shadows into combos >_>
The easiest (hybrid or w/e u call it): Sonic 23 - 12 ---> Shadow 12 - XX. It doesn't look bad when spammed
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Date: Sun, May 24 2009 15:47:51
For some reason, when I do the shadow it spins on the index finger instead. How do I make it so that it spins on the middle finger?
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Date: Mon, May 25 2009 12:14:43QUOTE (.s0cial @ May 24 2009, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>For some reason, when I do the shadow it spins on the index finger instead. How do I make it so that it spins on the middle finger?
As long as you can catch it, it means that you've got the feel. Try again with different levels of forces,perhaps tilting your hand a bit to make it fall or something like that. Practice makes perfect!!!
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Date: Mon, May 25 2009 12:50:45QUOTE (Success @ May 5 2009, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I dont get how you incorporate shadows into combos >_>
Twisted Sonic Bust 23-12, Shadow 12-23, Devils Sonic 23-12 -
Date: Tue, May 26 2009 00:48:13QUOTE (.s0cial @ May 24 2009, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>For some reason, when I do the shadow it spins on the index finger instead. How do I make it so that it spins on the middle finger?
You kinda "toss" the pen to spin on the middle finger...or tilt your hand and let the pen drift onto the middle finger then balancing it there. -
Date: Sat, May 30 2009 19:37:13
Its ok i learned it already
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Date: Sat, May 30 2009 20:05:21QUOTE (shimshim91 @ Mar 30 2009, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im still a noob but the first advanced tricked i learned was the shadow, i can do normal shadow, shadow reverse, and shadow still but my transition from a trick to shadow or from shadow to a new spin is pretty crappy, i can do it but its just not fluid enough. any tips?
well first make sure that the trick before or after the shadow is done palm down so u dont need to take the time to turn ur hand...second of all...it just takes practice as always...and imo shadows r difficult to get them smooth...like i did twisted sonic bust > shadow and i had to severely jerk my hand to get the shadow movement...as for shadow > something else...again make sure that trick after the shadow is palm down...such as shadow 12-23 > twisted sonic 23-12 > ta or something....just try to transition to and from the shadow with a trick that has a lot of momentum already so u dont have to put as much extra power to make the shadow complete its revolutions...also vid maybe so we can see more specifically? -
Date: Tue, Jun 2 2009 06:50:49QUOTE (Kuro @ May 31 2009, 03:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>*vid*
I failed at this trick for a full week Can anyone give me good advice to improve?
Try starting the trick with your hands slightly flat already.
Use less force. You're using too much cause the pen keeps flying way to the side. if you're using a backheavy mx or unmodded rsvp, start the trick with the pen facing in and the cap facing out.
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Date: Thu, Jun 4 2009 19:01:15
i was havin probz aswell nailin the shadow, but the "hold it down the pen" tip helped me, thanks guys
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Date: Thu, Jun 4 2009 20:45:21QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Jun 2 2009, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Try starting the trick with your hands slightly flat already.
Use less force. You're using too much cause the pen keeps flying way to the side. if you're using a backheavy mx or unmodded rsvp, start the trick with the pen facing in and the cap facing out.
If you can make another vid with a stationary camera. It's hard to see with the camera moving around like that.
Is it okay to flick the hand a little bit?
Or do I have to keep my hand still while doing a half charge?
Also, how do I make it so that the pen doesn't spin on my index finger? I get it on my middle (completely) about 40% of the time. -
Date: Wed, Jun 10 2009 23:46:24
when i do the shadow better yet when i attempt to do it, I perform a charge and i can't get used to letting the pen go but when i do let go it flies away.
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Date: Thu, Jun 11 2009 11:06:15QUOTE (.s0cial @ Jun 5 2009, 04:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is it okay to flick the hand a little bit?
Or do I have to keep my hand still while doing a half charge?
Also, how do I make it so that the pen doesn't spin on my index finger? I get it on my middle (completely) about 40% of the time.
Yea sure. If it helps you get the pen on the back of your hand then it's fine. With more practice you can do it with little or not hand movement. The charge motion alone can push the pen enough to do the trick completely.
Are you trying to do shadow 12-23? Why don't you want to get it to spin on your index?
If you're trying to do shadow 12-23, lift your middle finger higher after you release the pen from your index so the pen spins around your middle finger, something like a middle bak rev. After awhile, it should become natural.QUOTE (shimshim91 @ Apr 4 2009, 03:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yeah thanks! hey also could you tell me how to do continous shadow? im pretty sure that its just shadow still 12-12 and again and again but im not completely positive
Cont shadow 12-12 is shadow 12-12 again and again.
I don't think there's a tut for that and I doubt it can be taught easily. just practice so that when you catch the pen after doing a shadow, you're in a position to do it again.
A tip is to practice until you can do shadow anywhere below the pen's COG, whether it is just 1cm below the COG or it's near the tip of the pen, you can still execute the trick.
a longer mod will help too. Try letting the pen spin on top of the middle to lower joint of your finger. Release the pen with the tips of your fingers too. -
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 00:37:57QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Jun 11 2009, 07:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yea sure. If it helps you get the pen on the back of your hand then it's fine. With more practice you can do it with little or not hand movement. The charge motion alone can push the pen enough to do the trick completely.
Are you trying to do shadow 12-23? Why don't you want to get it to spin on your index?
If you're trying to do shadow 12-23, lift your middle finger higher after you release the pen from your index so the pen spins around your middle finger, something like a middle bak rev. After awhile, it should become natural.
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Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 02:39:20
Ok.
Then in that case, just push the pen a little harder when you release it to the top of your hand so that it moves towards the center. Either that or you can tilt your hand to the side. A mixture of practice and trial an error will work. -
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 01:01:51
Quick question- so if a shadow traditionally starts in slot 12 and ends in 12, then what would a shadow 23-12 be? my bad if my notation stuff is all screwed up, haha.
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Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 03:36:55QUOTE (Gnarspin @ Jun 12 2009, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Quick question- so if a shadow traditionally starts in slot 12 and ends in 12, then what would a shadow 23-12 be? my bad if my notation stuff is all screwed up, haha.
It would be a shadow 23-12
And yeah shadow 12-12 is called a shadow still
A shadow is a shadow, no matter what slot it starts/ends (assuming you did a shadow xD) -
Date: Tue, Feb 9 2010 02:41:36
im having trouble doing the Shadow (duh, thats why im posting this). i just cant seem to get it right. rather than try to explain it, i uploaded a video onto youtube. hopefully that can better show what my problems are since i barely know what i am doing wrong. here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0tFI3mpbyc
EDIT: i took the vid from my webcam, sorry for the cr@p quality. its my 1st vid on youtube btw -
Date: Tue, Feb 9 2010 20:57:52
I'm not the best to help, but I will try.
It seems like that you generally use too much force at the push, not all the time but generally. Also your fingers are also pointing at a downwards angle sometimes. Try to hold them parallel to the ground and keep the index and middle-finger together when the pen is spinning on the top.
Are you able to do the Charge 12? It seems to me that you have a hard time doing the Charge 12 palm-down. Just speculating though...
Hand movements is good for starting out, but not too much rough movements or you will lose control of the pen.
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Date: Tue, Feb 9 2010 21:25:33
thanks, i'm going to try to fix it.
i figured i was pointing my hand down too much, its a bit of a habit and hard to stop for me.
i can sort of do a charge 12 with my palm down, but not effectively since the pen starts sliding down after 2 or 3 spins
EDIT: i'm still having problems with keeping my hand pointed up more. any tips for keeping it up? -
Date: Sat, Feb 20 2010 00:06:31QUOTE (jwGary @ Feb 9 2010, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>thanks, i'm going to try to fix it.
i figured i was pointing my hand down too much, its a bit of a habit and hard to stop for me.
i can sort of do a charge 12 with my palm down, but not effectively since the pen starts sliding down after 2 or 3 spins
EDIT: i'm still having problems with keeping my hand pointed up more. any tips for keeping it up?
I found the easiest way to be: practice the motion for the launch (letting it slip out of your finger) and keep your hand as still as possible after that. Don't tilt it if you want a Shadow Still. As for keeping the hand down, I'd suggest you put your hand flat on a table, then lift it up and put the pen into the start position. Thats what I did. Also, it looks like you are starting with your pen in the thumb flap. It helps to keep it parallel to the fingers in the beginning. -
Date: Wed, Feb 24 2010 05:59:45QUOTE (Inheritance @ Feb 19 2010, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I found the easiest way to be: practice the motion for the launch (letting it slip out of your finger) and keep your hand as still as possible after that. Don't tilt it if you want a Shadow Still. As for keeping the hand down, I'd suggest you put your hand flat on a table, then lift it up and put the pen into the start position. Thats what I did. Also, it looks like you are starting with your pen in the thumb flap. It helps to keep it parallel to the fingers in the beginning.
just need some clarification, in the "launch motion," does the middle finger go over the index finger, or is it that they stay where they are positioned and just move up/down? hmmm never noticed i have it at my thumb flap, something to keep note of when i'm practicing this -
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 00:59:52QUOTE (jwGary @ Feb 23 2010, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>just need some clarification, in the "launch motion," does the middle finger go over the index finger, or is it that they stay where they are positioned and just move up/down? hmmm never noticed i have it at my thumb flap, something to keep note of when i'm practicing this
It can be done either way, but the middle going over index increases the momentum. Id suggest the middle going over index, mainly because its easier. And a slight jerk of the hand also helps with momentum, -
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 01:11:40
Everybody i've just discovered something that definetily helps getting the shadow to work. When you start your initial movement with your index, that's if your pen is in 12. try not to lower your whole finger but lower it from the first knuckle of that finger, almost if you were going to pull a trigger. you just have to lower your finger a littlebit though. I can get it to spin on my hand almost everytime now.
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Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 01:53:22
basicly it just like doing sonic palmdown but with more charge movement
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Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 08:08:55QUOTE (sarugio1 @ Feb 27 2010, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>basicly it just like doing sonic palmdown but with more charge movement
kinda. Its more like doing a sonic with more then 1 revolutions on top of your hand, palm down. -
Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 02:18:45
Hey guys it's shaolinpen, but on new account. what i said before about the trigger pull i've gotten so much better try it out.
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Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 03:25:22
don't give up it took more a few months to do it and now that I learned it its my favorite trick and I can do it in every slot =D
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Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 14:41:21
My steps were.
Practice moving the fingers upwards and downwards in the shadow motion.
Just get it to slip out of finger.
Make it spin.
Make it fall through finger slot by any means possible( make fingers stretch far apart.)
Catch it in finger slot.
Catch it in finger slot and finish the last .5 rotation.
Do it smooth continuously.
As for getting shadow on all slots i practiced doing shadow on 12-other slots to get just the catching motion down.
Next i started the shadow in 23 or 34 and caught it in 12 to get the beginning of the rotation down.
Then i did shadow stills on 23 and 34. So all i had to do then was put catching and launching together.
If you can't do that you can also try catching it by the palm or TF. Charge should be mastered. -
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 00:07:19QUOTE (jwGary @ Feb 24 2010, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>just need some clarification, in the "launch motion," does the middle finger go over the index finger, or is it that they stay where they are positioned and just move up/down? hmmm never noticed i have it at my thumb flap, something to keep note of when i'm practicing this
Well from looking at your video, you dont do a charge but instead you just flick the pen. Also, try to use a balanced pen for a shadow. Lastly, you're letting the pen fly off your hand when you flick, just go nice and smooth and about 3/4 of the way of the charge just flatten your fingers and let the pen spin freely on your hand.
also don't forget to lift the finger you are catching with. -
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 00:32:40
A good amount of the time, a can get the launch and the top spin, but when i catch it, it ends pointing straight down rather than back in the starting position. Is there any specific tips you have, or does this just get corrected with time and practice?
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Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 02:49:22QUOTE (Anderfreeb @ Apr 6 2010, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>A good amount of the time, a can get the launch and the top spin, but when i catch it, it ends pointing straight down rather than back in the starting position. Is there any specific tips you have, or does this just get corrected with time and practice?
one way to fix this is to be good at charge and be able to smoothly charge once you catch it to get it back into starting position
another way is to just wait longer before the catch and gravity should make it come back down, but then it's harder to smoothly go into another trick -
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 14:23:35
i did this shadow move that was
shadow 23-23->semmetrical pass (to 12)
what is it called?
your video was REMOVED..... -
Date: Sun, May 2 2010 19:51:39
ok i can do 1/3 of the shadow by flicking my wrist to do a charge like motion, but when it comes time to let go it just wont come out. . . any help? or tips?
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Date: Mon, May 3 2010 00:18:33
Looks like your relying on the rist movement to much rather than the charge to launch the pen. Also you need to lift up your pointer during the spin so you catch it before it slides off.
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Date: Tue, May 25 2010 02:33:56
Can anyone help me with this? I finally managed to not do a charge and release the pen, but the pen doesnt spin on top of my hand, it ends up going and falling below or to the sid eof my hand
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Date: Tue, May 25 2010 04:50:38QUOTE (Karnier @ May 24 2010, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Can anyone help me with this? I finally managed to not do a charge and release the pen, but the pen doesnt spin on top of my hand, it ends up going and falling below or to the sid eof my hand
Bring your middle finger down once the pen is released ( I suppose you doing Shadow 12-xx)
Try to keep you hand leveled while the pen spins on the back of your fingers for 0.5 revolutions, then open whatever slot you want it to fall into. -
Date: Fri, May 28 2010 15:27:36
shadow Not too difficult trick
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Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 19:54:55
whenever i do my shadows i always get my pen caught up in my middle finger... any tips on how to make the transfer?
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Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 20:06:07
get less tense. the tenser you are, the more likely your middle finger's going to catch the pen
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Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 08:33:18
i'm trying to do bust after do shadow
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Date: Mon, Jun 14 2010 02:52:43
raising up my index finger to catch the pen helped me a lot.
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Date: Wed, Jun 23 2010 00:36:40
yeah relax and remember you have to let go of the pen
