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Serious Discussion / School Shootings

  1. BSGfanatic
    Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 01:36:56

    Next Monday is April 20th the tenth anniversary of the Columbine massacre. In case you don't know about Columbine it was in 1999 when two students Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 13 people and injured 24 at Columbine high school in Colorado.
    Two days from today is the second anniversary of the Virginia Tech Massacre when in 2007 Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people ani injured 23 at Virginia Tech.

    The perpatrators of these two shootings are often said to have similer motives for the killings. It is known that Harris, and Klebold were outcasts in their school, and their writing often speaks of their hatred of the ones who were son hatefull to them, but what made them decide that they should die? Who is realy to blame for these shootings while it was ultimatly their decision to take people's lives was it somewhat the other people at the school's fault for treating these people so badly? Could these incidents have been avoided?

  2. SJ
    Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 02:42:19

    first of all... fix your spelling
    pretty annoying to read

    killing is never the answer.
    and the problem is that they took down the innocent ones.
    if you really have to kill people, kill those that messed with you. not the ones that had nothing to do with it.
    and if they were outcasts, it doesnt mean that people hated them
    it just means they werent social
    and why let out your anger to a group of people that had nothing to do with you
    just cope with it yourself. find a friend. even committing a suicide is better than killing innocent ones
    instead of going on a rampage and killing random people

  3. kenny158
    Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 02:46:41

    QUOTE (SJ @ Apr 14 2009, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    first of all... fix your spelling
    pretty annoying to read

    killing is never the answer.
    and the problem is that they took down the innocent ones.
    if you really have to kill people, kill those that messed with you. not the ones that had nothing to do with it.
    and if they were outcasts, it doesnt mean that people hated them
    it just means they werent social
    and why let out your anger to a group of people that had nothing to do with you
    just cope with it yourself. find a friend. even committing a suicide is better than killing innocent ones
    instead of going on a rampage and killing random people

    clap.gif Nice, It pretty much sums every thing up here.
    Yeah i also think that it is wrong for killing people for no reason, or the reason for the person being alone. Its not their fault, its theirs for not growing the balls to make a friend once in a while

  4. 000zero0000
    Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 03:45:48

    @SJ stop criticizing everyone for every single spelling error they make.

    and fix your own errors before criticizing.

  5. Zombo
    Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 04:23:24

    QUOTE (SJ @ Apr 14 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    killing is never the answer.
    and the problem is that they took down the innocent ones.
    if you really have to kill people, kill those that messed with you. not the ones that had nothing to do with it.
    and if they were outcasts, it doesnt mean that people hated them
    it just means they werent social
    and why let out your anger to a group of people that had nothing to do with you
    just cope with it yourself. find a friend. even committing a suicide is better than killing innocent ones
    instead of going on a rampage and killing random people


    well if they killed their own schoolmates, in their eyes those ppl are not innocent, they're the ones that bullied them righ?

    and they'd have to kill their parents too, cuz im pretty sure most of these ppl had bad parents.

  6. 000zero0000
    Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 04:26:31

    QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 14 2009, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    well if they killed their own schoolmates, in their eyes those ppl are not innocent, they're the ones that bullied them righ?

    and they'd have to kill their parents too, cuz im pretty sure most of these ppl had bad parents.


    ....then your saying: kill the members of the school board because they let kids bully other kids and they're not doing anything about it (or enough). While your there, you might as well as have to kill the members of local government for not helping out here. Then you can go far enough to kill every person that had any influence on the shooter and the bully >.>

  7. Dark Angel-REX
    Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 09:11:58


    @000zero0000

    I think you are twisting Zombo's words too much. You are being a little extreme.

    There is no accounting for human mind. I think you know that. There are several people in this world that think a little too far, maybe persecution complex, and they end up feeling strong hatred for another.
    Of course you think the way you do and I'm sure most people do. I do too. But the very minority don't. So that shooter was these "not normal" people who just wants to kill people when they are bullied.

  8. Tim
    Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 13:49:13

    When you think about it, everyone has thoughts like these when they are young. Maybe not "I'm going to go and kill innocent people", but there are certainly times when we all get incredibly angry to a point where we might want to kill another or we want to do ourselves in.

    Maybe these people are the ones with the 'balls'/personality to actually go through with it. Everyone has a breaking point, and they were obviously pushed way past it.

    Just a different perspective on things.

    Heard about the Columbine shooting in a doco about video games (because Doom was in there, and apparently they played a lot of it dry.gif).

  9. BSGfanatic
    Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 18:52:08

    QUOTE (Tim @ Apr 15 2009, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Heard about the Columbine shooting in a doco about video games (because Doom was in there, and apparently they played a lot of it dry.gif).

    After the shooting people wanted blame everything for it. The two most common were video games, and music (even though they blamed artists that the kids didn't even listen to)

  10. Zombo
    Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 19:21:15

    QUOTE (000zero0000 @ Apr 15 2009, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    ....then your saying: kill the members of the school board because they let kids bully other kids and they're not doing anything about it (or enough). While your there, you might as well as have to kill the members of local government for not helping out here. Then you can go far enough to kill every person that had any influence on the shooter and the bully >.>


    im talking in the mind of th killers.

    cuz SJ seemed to be saying the killers were killing with no motive.

    IMO, the killers had a motive and the motive was that they think the other students made their life miserable.

  11. SJ
    Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 20:16:53

    QUOTE (000zero0000 @ Apr 14 2009, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    @SJ stop criticizing everyone for every single spelling error they make.
    and fix your own errors before criticizing.

    uh why not? those spelling errors couldve been avoided easily
    even using ff couldve helped
    and what errors are you talking about... not adding apostrophes? dry.gif

    QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 15 2009, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    im talking in the mind of th killers.

    cuz SJ seemed to be saying the killers were killing with no motive.

    IMO, the killers had a motive and the motive was that they think the other students made their life miserable.

    ic.. i think it sounded that way cuz i was talking about outcasts
    but if there were students that bothered the killers, they should go after them not the innocent ones
    and its not like every single kid at the school made his life miserable
    just a handful
    but i see what youre saying... like the environment and such? how the overall atmosphere was not welcoming to some?

  12. 000zero0000
    Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 23:30:48

    @Sj


    QUOTE (SJ @ Apr 14 2009, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    first of all... fix your spelling
    pretty annoying to read

    killing is never the answer.
    and the problem is that they took down the innocent ones.
    if you really have to kill people, kill those that messed with you. not the ones that had nothing to do with it.
    and if they were outcasts, it doesnt mean that people hated them
    it just means they werent social
    and why let out your anger to a group of people that had nothing to do with you
    just cope with it yourself. find a friend. even committing a suicide is better than killing innocent ones
    instead of going on a rampage and killing random people

  13. SJ
    Date: Thu, Apr 16 2009 02:55:54

    QUOTE (SJ @ Apr 15 2009, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    uh why not? those spelling errors couldve been avoided easily
    even using ff couldve helped
    and what errors are you talking about... not adding apostrophes? dry.gif

    oh im sorry

    on a serious note, im just being lazy.
    at least i know the difference between your and you're.
    unlike someone

  14. Dark Angel-REX
    Date: Thu, Apr 16 2009 08:18:10

    let's just say FORGETT ABOUT TEH GLAMMER MISSTAKES and keep on topic. smile.gif



    anyhow. Yea, I knew what Zombo was trying to say. Minds can't be read, so it happens. We can only TRY prevent it, only if parents could watch their children more and find out something is wrong.

  15. Zombo
    Date: Thu, Apr 16 2009 12:56:37

    QUOTE (SJ @ Apr 15 2009, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    uh why not? those spelling errors couldve been avoided easily
    even using ff couldve helped
    and what errors are you talking about... not adding apostrophes? dry.gif


    ic.. i think it sounded that way cuz i was talking about outcasts
    but if there were students that bothered the killers, they should go after them not the innocent ones
    and its not like every single kid at the school made his life miserable
    just a handful
    but i see what youre saying... like the environment and such? how the overall atmosphere was not welcoming to some?


    yea maybe they have poor self-esteem and they think ppl make fun of them or dont like them (like for example nobody wants to pair up with them in group works)

    but the other option si that they really got bullied by most ppl in their classroom... i know in my class there was t his dude who was weird and nobody liked him so they made fun of him.

  16. shoeman6
    Date: Thu, Apr 16 2009 13:31:47

    QUOTE (SJ @ Apr 14 2009, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    first of all... fix your spelling
    pretty annoying to read

    killing is never the answer.
    and the problem is that they took down the innocent ones.
    if you really have to kill people, kill those that messed with you. not the ones that had nothing to do with it.
    and if they were outcasts, it doesnt mean that people hated them
    it just means they werent social
    and why let out your anger to a group of people that had nothing to do with you
    just cope with it yourself. find a friend. even committing a suicide is better than killing innocent ones
    instead of going on a rampage and killing random people


    but the people who pull off these acts feel as if EVERYBODY is against them, I don't think it has anything to do with being social, The people who pulled these off were differen't, yes but theys till had freinds and family. To them no one is innocent, and in a sense it's true.

    My next point to make.
    you say :
    killing is never the answer
    But then you say
    you shud kill those that messed with you rather than "innocent people"
    as if it would be any less horrible.
    No one is innocent, everyone belongs to society and to the killer everybody is there enemy, People only go on these rampages to get revenge and stuff, if they weren't "social" they would most likely just commit suicide, but these people are MAD at others, so in my opinion it really comes down to intervention.
    Realizing someone has a problem (normal people even if the whole world was mad at them and amde fun of them wouldn't go on a masacre...) and fixing the problems within soceity where we tend to exile differen't people and feed off of other peoples misery.
    =\

    (edit)
    I don't think telling these people to "get freinds" or be "social" would help them in any way, they feel as if theyve been betrayed by everybody and it would probably make situations worse...aka i'm gonna kill your freinds now see who should get a freind....

    (I would also argue that as humans we have a want for these things to occur to make ourselves feel more human and secure with ourselves...)