UPSB v3

Advanced Tricks / Backaround Normal

  1. darkeh
    Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 14:40:51

    I think I have only done one successfully ever and when it was on this. I'm not sure what I do wrong. The one I might have done right is the one right before when I lay my hand flat palm up.
    EDIT: I'm so stupid...I forgot to link the vid...--->Here

  2. sketching
    Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 18:12:46

    The video link does not work, so I can't see what you are doing.

    Edit: the link works for me now.

    Changed the thread title, this will be the official Backaround Normal thread, the Backaround linking thread never fit.

  3. darkeh
    Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 21:19:34

    Works for me :/ But it played really fast but it might jsut be my winamp.

  4. sketching
    Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 21:27:22

    It looks like you're trying to do an Indexaround Reverse and using your middle finger to push.

    Take a look at this video:


    I'm using hand movement to push the pen around the finger past the base knuckle. No finger push is used.

    You should also read through Backaround article on the UPSB Wiki.

  5. darkeh
    Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 22:14:21

    I'd read that but not in awhile, I was doing it completely wrong ^^

  6. afterplace
    Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 06:30:24

    I am having a hard time doing backarounds. Question: In weis bak, where should the COP rotate on? At the back of the hand, or the knuckle of the index finger? I can't get it to consistently rotate on my hand because the COP position keeps on changing ohmy.gif

    Re korean bak: Does it really look like a index around that lands on T1 (near TF), or I am just doing it wrong?

    Thanks!

  7. sketching
    Date: Sat, Feb 9 2008 08:15:42

    For Backaround, the pen should pass over the back of the hand, this includes the base knuckle.

    "Korean" Backaround (Fingerless Fingeraround Reverse) does not need to end in the T1(2) slot.

  8. minimazza
    Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 12:10:00

    Hey everyone,

    I've done all of the fundamentals and I've decided to move onto the more advanced tricks.

    Can anyone tell me if the Backaround (Korean/Weis) requires any tricks to help me to learn it?

    I can only get the pen to turn 180 degrees and after that the pen gets stuck and won't move. I'm also a lefty.

    Does anyone have any suggestions?

  9. Mightyboy
    Date: Sat, Jul 5 2008 18:05:32

    I have difficulty doin the ring and pinky bak.

    I have a rather short pinky. The rest of my fingers are long. The distance between my ring finger and pinky is about the length of the ENTER key by the bottom right corner of the keyboard. Does that matter?

  10. deoxygenated
    Date: Tue, Sep 16 2008 20:53:24

    Sorry if this has been posted before, but I looked for it and couldn't find anything on it.

    Is the Weis Backaround only for 12-T1? or are there ways to do 23-12 or 23-T1, etc?
    Cause i think a Weis Backaround Fall would look pretty cool =D

  11. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Tue, Sep 16 2008 21:57:19

    Yes, and yes you can do a weis bakfall.

    I might post a vid later if I feel like it...

    Here ya go:

    Video -> Full View • Download


    These are all weis baks with a fl ta rev done at the end of it. Breakdown is baically: bak > FL TA rev > midbak > FL TA Rev > ring bak > FL TA rev. I like this better than an actual weis bakfall.

  12. deoxygenated
    Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 00:45:42

    o.o. Thx and nice!

  13. Zombo
    Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 04:10:19

    QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Sep 16 2008, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    These are all weis baks with a fl ta rev done at the end of it. Breakdown is baically: bak > FL TA rev > midbak > FL TA Rev > ring bak > FL TA rev. I like this better than an actual weis bakfall.


    it's also much, much, much easier to do.

  14. Look Into the Sun
    Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 04:26:04

    QUOTE (Zombo @ Sep 16 2008, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    it's also much, much, much easier to do.


    Which is why i like it better. Not odd hand jerking like when I try to a do a weis bakfall.

  15. Ogarathe
    Date: Wed, Oct 8 2008 11:01:11

    Can anyone give me a video link for a proper Weis Bakfall?

    ~ Thanks in advance.

  16. Noob
    Date: Wed, Oct 8 2008 12:11:47

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ULw6qGBzpA

    i think thats proper?

  17. Scandiacus
    Date: Wed, Oct 8 2008 13:37:37

    Uh guys, kindly enlighten me on "Weissian Bak".

    I know that Bak Normal = goes around base of finger and Korean Bak = FL IA Rev.

    Or am I wrong? ohmy.gif

  18. Ogarathe
    Date: Thu, Oct 9 2008 04:53:56

    QUOTE (Noob @ Oct 8 2008, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ULw6qGBzpA

    i think thats proper?


    I meant Weis Bak"fall"


    QUOTE (Scandiacus @ Oct 9 2008, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Uh guys, kindly enlighten me on "Weissian Bak".

    I know that Bak Normal = goes around base of finger and Korean Bak = FL IA Rev.

    Or am I wrong? ohmy.gif


    Uhm, your idea of bak normal is a Weis bak I think.

  19. G.lanz
    Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 17:02:41

    I don't think this question was answered, but I really need to know.

    What is a backaround normal anyway??? And what do those different names mean? (aka. Weis, Korean)

    or could someone point me to a non-video tutorial?

    EDIT: Sorry for reviving such an old thread XD

  20. ycag3db1rd
    Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 12:45:07

    As far as I remember Weissan(sp?lol) backaround was the norm, and when they "discovered" the "other" back, they just used the name to distinguish the two. I'm not really sure as to why it's called "Korean" backaround.

    Although I did find this in the wiki rolleyes.gif

    QUOTE
    Korean Backaround

    A Fingerless Fingeraround Reverse done at the tip of the fingers. Whereas Fingerarounds are generally thought to be done with a completely vertical motion of the pen around a finger, "Korean Backarounds" have a diagonal or almost completely horizontal motion. This came about as there was confusion about the specifics of the Backaround invented by David Weis when the trick was spread to the PenDolSa (PDS) pen spinning community.


    this should also explain as to how or why the korean back/bak now seems to be the norm.

    QUOTE
    Debate on the path of the Backaround

    The original Backaround seems to have needed to end, or at least travel through, the T1 slot at the end of the trick. As spinners started to do more Backarounds through finger slots other than the 12 slot, and use of the "Korean Backaround" gained ground, spinners started to conclude that Backarounds were little more than horizontal Fingerless Fingeraround Reverse variations that only need to travel around a finger. The need to pass through the T1 slot has since been almost completely dropped in normal practice.


    Hope that made you understand =).

    EDIT: Well afaik, I did hear a mod/admin say that reviving threads are ok as long as they are constructive. (and not like idk a year old? 6 months old?)

  21. hobbs
    Date: Tue, Feb 10 2009 08:49:02

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i cant see the video...

  22. Jtrophy
    Date: Thu, Feb 12 2009 03:51:00

    i need help. what are some good ways to link into bak? cause i can only think of doing bust or IA, and then bak around. or rev. ta and then back around. but i cant think of anything else.

    please help.

    thanks

  23. Scandiacus
    Date: Thu, Feb 12 2009 08:23:06

    QUOTE (Jtrophy @ Feb 12 2009, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    i need help. what are some good ways to link into bak? cause i can only think of doing bust or IA, and then bak around. or rev. ta and then back around. but i cant think of anything else.

    please help.

    thanks

    I can do Wiper Reverse -> Bak Rev...and now I'm learning Wiper Normal -> Bak Normal

  24. perrako
    Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 11:35:51

    Out of curiosity, since this is a backaround thread, what do you guys do to link them in combos? Both the bak and the backaround seem difficult to get in a combo for me... The bak, because of the position of the fingers below the spinning finger, and the backaround because of how far in the pen is in the crotch of the finger pair. Suggestions?

  25. Scandiacus
    Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 16:50:08

    QUOTE (perrako @ Feb 16 2009, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Out of curiosity, since this is a backaround thread, what do you guys do to link them in combos? Both the bak and the backaround seem difficult to get in a combo for me... The bak, because of the position of the fingers below the spinning finger, and the backaround because of how far in the pen is in the crotch of the finger pair. Suggestions?

    NeoSonic -> FL TA Rev -> Bak/Bakfall

  26. G.lanz
    Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 17:03:52

    So now I can do a normal background (I think). what's the difference between IA rev and backaround?

  27. Metalm3
    Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 10:30:00

    QUOTE (G.lanz @ Feb 25 2009, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    So now I can do a normal background (I think). what's the difference between IA rev and backaround?


    IA rev uses your middle finger to push the finger up and the momemtum will get the pen down in a circular motion(correct me if I'm wrong) while Backaround(aka Fingerless (Finger)around) uses your wrists to get the circular motion.

  28. Sian_ing
    Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 11:45:55

    i can do a "fingered" bak lol. looks nice to me

    and inv shadow ~ bak is nice

  29. duckfun
    Date: Fri, Jun 19 2009 03:35:11

    does your hand absolutely HAVE to be palm down in part of this trick to be a backaround?

  30. Charlie
    Date: Fri, Jun 19 2009 03:52:07

    QUOTE (duckfun @ Jun 18 2009, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    does your hand absolutely HAVE to be palm down in part of this trick to be a backaround?

    No. You can do a bak palm up or palm side or whatever you want. It's stilll just a bak.

  31. yuleeter
    Date: Wed, Mar 10 2010 04:42:53

    hey, i'd appreciate if you could please give me some advice on catching the normal backaround (not korean one)

  32. happy_happy
    Date: Thu, Mar 11 2010 02:20:21

    QUOTE (Jtrophy @ Feb 11 2009, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    i need help. what are some good ways to link into bak? cause i can only think of doing bust or IA, and then bak around. or rev. ta and then back around. but i cant think of anything else.

    please help.

    thanks


    I like doin inverse sonic 23-12 > bak for my combos

  33. Ryd3n
    Date: Sat, Jun 12 2010 22:28:51

    is it still a back around if you bend your fingers other than your index to your palm. like kind of a fist shape with your index pointing.