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Serious Discussion / Sex vs. Violence
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Date: Thu, Apr 16 2009 14:27:51
This is not so much a retort to Mat's thread but a point that I would like to bring up that seems to require its own thread.
It seems to me that parents focus far too much on preventing their kids from viewing anything of a sexual nature, and far too little on preventing them from being desensitized from violence. Which one do you think is going to be more damaging to society? I'm not saying that parents should allow their kids to see NC-17 movies all of a sudden, but that they are replacing violence with sex too often. I know that it is said that violent video games do not cause a tendency in violence among children, but perhaps so for their general mindset? I just saw so much ignorance and blatant disregard for life of the Iraqi people whenever I discussed the war with my classmates, that I was at the point of losing faith in humanity..... -
Date: Thu, Apr 16 2009 15:46:21
I'm neutral.
I play heavily violent games and watch videos of super gore before middle school, but I don't do any killing and stuff, nor do I want to do it. But why do you think I'm not inspired to kill through these things? Because I was taught well that killing is, for many reasons, wrong.
I used to watch porn very often (now I don't), but am I inspired to rape someone? No. And why? Because I was taught well not to.
Some people go out of control and just do whatever they want, honestly, I don't know.
Sexual things depends too. If you watch some major Sadism Masochism hardcore violent sex movies when you aren't told anything, you might have a weird tastes with sex. If you watch softcore porns, you won't be astonished or affected much.
Even if parents keep children away from porn, children will somehow get porn. And I believe pornography suppresses the thoughts to go wild. You become excited when you watch porn, but after you are done with it, you feel all better. (Okay that totally sounds wrong).
anyhow, I believe parents should focus more about preventing kids from violent things rather than porn. But prior to that, parents should teach well to the kids not to kill anyone or rape anyone. That is everything I must say. Because if the parents don't teach kids that killing and raping is wrong, but prevents them from watching anything of those sort is like trying to sit on a chair with missing legs. -
Date: Thu, Apr 16 2009 20:48:30
I don't see the issue of preventing them from seeing either thing, its just a movie or show or whatever, the vast majority can tell the difference that entertainment isn't real. Its out there, they are going to see the material eventually; whats the point of delaying the inevitable?
I am neutral, since my views are more that this isn't an issue. -
Date: Thu, Apr 16 2009 21:01:50
I'm neutral as well. Often times when parents make an effort to remove those things from their kids the things being withheld become even more fascinating than if they were allowed. A forbidden fruit, if you will. Besides, in this day and age, almost nobody is capable of preventing their kids from seeing those things anyway.
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Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 22:01:57QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Apr 16 2009, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm neutral.
I play heavily violent games and watch videos of super gore before middle school, but I don't do any killing and stuff, nor do I want to do it. But why do you think I'm not inspired to kill through these things? Because I was taught well that killing is, for many reasons, wrong.
I used to watch porn very often (now I don't), but am I inspired to rape someone? No. And why? Because I was taught well not to.
Some people go out of control and just do whatever they want, honestly, I don't know.
Sexual things depends too. If you watch some major Sadism Masochism hardcore violent sex movies when you aren't told anything, you might have a weird tastes with sex. If you watch softcore porns, you won't be astonished or affected much.
Even if parents keep children away from porn, children will somehow get porn. And I believe pornography suppresses the thoughts to go wild. You become excited when you watch porn, but after you are done with it, you feel all better. (Okay that totally sounds wrong).
anyhow, I believe parents should focus more about preventing kids from violent things rather than porn. But prior to that, parents should teach well to the kids not to kill anyone or rape anyone. That is everything I must say. Because if the parents don't teach kids that killing and raping is wrong, but prevents them from watching anything of those sort is like trying to sit on a chair with missing legs.
You basically ended the thread right there.
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Date: Tue, Oct 20 2009 00:31:50QUOTE (Nation @ Oct 19 2009, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You basically ended the thread right there.
You basically revived a dead thread for no reason.
And the conversation could continue but I don't feel an inclination to talk of these things on a pen spinning forum anymore now that I have a better forum for such things. -
Date: Tue, Oct 20 2009 00:36:29
well you know what they say... make love not war
but they should teach kids sex later
violence is important too however. do you see more kids getting pregnant at younger ages vs. kids killing other people? =/ -
Date: Tue, Oct 20 2009 10:52:12QUOTE (Sadistic @ Oct 20 2009, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You basically revived a dead thread for no reason.
And the conversation could continue but I don't feel an inclination to talk of these things on a pen spinning forum anymore now that I have a better forum for such things.
May I please know of this more appropriate venue? I am of wanting. -
Date: Wed, Oct 21 2009 05:51:13QUOTE (Jaybles @ Oct 20 2009, 05:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>May I please know of this more appropriate venue? I am of wanting.
I jump around different forums all the time but recently ive been on flatearthsociety lol. The guys are a funny group that can be serious if they try.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/ -
Date: Wed, Oct 21 2009 08:46:33
Well thread revival is sometimes allowed I think.
I mean think about it. If Nation made a new thread of the same topic, he's gonna get well flamed for making a same thread. I think it's a billion times better reviving a old thread than making the same thread, no? -
Date: Wed, Oct 21 2009 17:03:40QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Oct 21 2009, 04:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well thread revival is sometimes allowed I think.
I mean think about it. If Nation made a new thread of the same topic, he's gonna get well flamed for making a same thread. I think it's a billion times better reviving a old thread than making the same thread, no?
Thread revival is fine if he had something meaningful to add. Instead of just saying I agree, which he essentially did. -
Date: Wed, Oct 21 2009 17:53:59
ahh yes, the "+1" principle
I would like to add something but I'll just remain quiet. -
Date: Tue, Dec 8 2009 23:36:37
it depends on the kid. for me violence and sex exposure is ok. it doesnt bother me, scare me, addict me, etc. also because kids see violence in tv (Call Of Duty) doesnt mean were gonna start killing people. Sex is a little different kids may not want to instantly have sex but they might have weird, bad , nastey thots etc.
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Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 00:02:21
Null vote, neither, if not exposed to it then they will just go apeshit when they finally experience it, be it sex, violence, drugs, etc. Parents shouldn't censor them.
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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 10:45:00
Really children should not be stopped from seeing any of this, except in the very worst of cases. For example, you might not want to be showing children actually acts of genocide etc. It would be much better though, if parents would talk to children about this stuff, especially sex I think, as many people, especially young men, watch porn, which always is showing women to be objects. It's not good.
So, in summary, parents should focus mostly on open discussion of topics such as these with little bias (i.e. you cannot go into the discussion saying all sex is wrong, all drugs are bad etc). -
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 19:01:04QUOTE (Mats @ Dec 16 2009, 05:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Really children should not be stopped from seeing any of this, except in the very worst of cases. For example, you might not want to be showing children actually acts of genocide etc. It would be much better though, if parents would talk to children about this stuff, especially sex I think, as many people, especially young men, watch porn, which always is showing women to be objects. It's not good.
So, in summary, parents should focus mostly on open discussion of topics such as these with little bias (i.e. you cannot go into the discussion saying all sex is wrong, all drugs are bad etc).
Eh, unless that's what you believe. I don't personally, but I could understand if a parent were fully 100% anti-drug, that they wouldn't go into an open-minded discussion with their 5-year-old regarding drugs. -
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 19:02:38
What do you believe personally?
I really think a lack of open discussion with parents leads to so many problems.
(as does lack of open discussion of so many things, but that's a broader topic). -
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 19:05:44
On the topic of drugs? I'm not surprised they're illegal, I don't expect that to change any time soon, but I don't hold it against people who use them, their life their decision, it's not like I see someone doing drugs and immediately dislike them.
Honestly I probably would do them if I didn't have an addictive personality, but I know if I start I wouldn't be able to stop, and I don't like the idea of not having control over that.