UPSB v3

Presentation / smoothness or speed?

  1. FLASHzer007
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 00:33:50

    When I see pen spinning videos, they are either really fast and jerky, for slow and smooth, like my spinning. So what do you say? Smoothness or speed?

  2. NoobishPenspinner
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 00:36:38

    idk i think smoothness comes first

    cuz think about it.
    if u have a smooth combo, but slow one
    vs.
    if u have a jerky and bad linkage combo, yet speedy

    i would go for smoother but slower

  3. mhig
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 00:38:44

    completely personal reference however for me i like smooth combos.. when you say fast do you mean like.. controlled?

  4. AwonW
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 00:39:47

    Definitely smoothness. I don't really care for extremely high speeds.

  5. Baaron
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 00:42:37

    Smooth.
    Speed doesnt really matter much to me. Id rather see a well executed combo then one that is fast, jerky or unsmooth

  6. FLASHzer007
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 01:04:27

    QUOTE (mhig @ Apr 20 2009, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    completely personal reference however for me i like smooth combos.. when you say fast do you mean like.. controlled?


    When i say fast, I mean like crazy, with linkages between tricks very jerky.

  7. GSkyrunner
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 01:05:02

    Both.

    But smoothness is lots more important

  8. PillarsOfValhalla
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 01:07:12

    I prefer smoothness however you don't want a very slow combo.

  9. buhryan
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 01:19:38

    wouldn't it be awesome to be smooth and fast.

  10. Radiance
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 01:32:27

    its simple.

    achieve smoothness first, than slowly go faster with some practice.

  11. kenny158
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 03:20:30

    I prefer smooth, cause choppy looks bad if your going fast.

  12. PSArcher
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 12:21:57

    Smoothness is much more important.

    But smooth and speed is like icing on the cake.

  13. defect
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 16:36:45

    I prefer slower spinning since many spinners think its all about speed. Creativity and smoothness are more important than speed.


  14. G.lanz
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 19:41:50

    Smoothness +1. If you can spin fast, that speed can create the illusion of a smoother combo. What I'm really impressed by is when someone can spin slowly, and still retain smoothness, or change speeds without any choppiness.

  15. Awesome
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 20:23:44

    Smoothness, without smoothness combos aren't appealing, to me at least. You don't need to go fast to have a appealing combo, so for me the choice is pretty obvious.

  16. Shadowserpant
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 21:06:25

    QUOTE (Radiance @ Apr 20 2009, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    its simple.

    achieve smoothness first, than slowly go faster with some practice.

    Exactly.

  17. fusionnoble
    Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 21:50:53

    Speed.

    I've never really seen anyone that bad and fast at spinning.

  18. kenny158
    Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 01:16:56

    its not really a "seen it" type of thread its like a "what if" kind of thread..

  19. Joebob
    Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 02:11:30

    i would say smoothness comes first. personally, i prefer slow and smooth combos, but i have seen many great smooth and fast combos too.

  20. Kurteous&#33;
    Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 06:50:49

    smoothness > speed

  21. Dvoice-
    Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 11:43:05

    smoothness ~
    even u doing a simple combo , it's will look awesome ~ laugh.gif

  22. Wind
    Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 19:54:58

    QUOTE (fusionnoble @ Apr 21 2009, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Speed.

    I've never really seen anyone that bad and fast at spinning.

    Seen..? have you seen Darcy from TWPS spinning yet? (no offense to him though)

  23. Hope
    Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 21:48:06

    Smoothness is the foundation.
    Speed is the tree.

  24. kenny158
    Date: Thu, Apr 23 2009 01:08:17

    QUOTE (Hope @ Apr 22 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Smoothness is the foundation.
    Speed is the tree.

    dont you mean like, smoothness is the soil and seed, speed is the water?

  25. Hope
    Date: Thu, Apr 23 2009 01:19:11

    QUOTE (kenny158 @ Apr 22 2009, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    dont you mean like, smoothness is the soil and seed, speed is the water?

    That works.

  26. Corvin
    Date: Sun, Apr 26 2009 01:13:16

    Yeah smoothness comes first. Im practicing my combo to be smooth before trying to increase the speed.

  27. i.suk.at.everything
    Date: Sun, Apr 26 2009 07:58:48

    smoothness without speed can be good. e.g. bonkura, infinity200, dathroat, s777 (when he is spinning slowly) etc.

    but speed without smoothness usually makes tricks look worse.

  28. MatthewK206
    Date: Sun, Apr 26 2009 20:06:08

    Slow smooth spinning >fast smooth spinning > fast unsmooth spinning > slow un smooth spinning

  29. SJ
    Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 02:01:41

    QUOTE (MatthewK206 @ Apr 26 2009, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Slow smooth spinning >fast smooth spinning > fast unsmooth spinning > slow un smooth spinning

    /opinion

  30. Gforce
    Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 02:14:57

    I would always want to see a smooth but slow combo vs a fast and jerky one.

  31. JSH
    Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 02:23:01

    QUOTE (Gforce @ Apr 26 2009, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I would always want to see a smooth but slow combo vs a fast and jerky one.


    really fast, but not so smooth

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYiEjzyLuMo

    slow but really smooth

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oopuTD2kTyY...A23&index=3

  32. MatthewK206
    Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 04:43:23

    QUOTE (SJ @ Apr 26 2009, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    /fact


    Fix'd

  33. Charlie
    Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 07:12:18

    QUOTE (JSH @ Apr 26 2009, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    really fast, but not so smooth

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYiEjzyLuMo

    slow but really smooth

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oopuTD2kTyY...A23&index=3


    Darcy's spinning is terrible.

    Bad example. Use ayatori instead.

  34. Sian_ing
    Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 08:45:38

    QUOTE (i.suk.at.everything @ Apr 26 2009, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    smoothness without speed can be good. e.g. bonkura, infinity200, dathroat, s777 (when he is spinning slowly) etc.

    but speed without smoothness usually makes tricks look worse.

    omg where's raimo dude

  35. JSH
    Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 10:32:57

    QUOTE (Charlie @ Apr 27 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Darcy's spinning is terrible.

    Bad example. Use ayatori instead.


    I don't know why I didn't think of him dry.gif

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjiW3AK8HjI

    Ayatori's unoffical solo video

  36. XternalメDGN
    Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 11:30:13

    whats the point of going so fast if you're jerky?

  37. untitled name
    Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 11:35:07

    smooth come first but speed still important

    both of them are better

  38. SJ
    Date: Tue, Apr 28 2009 00:12:30

    QUOTE (MatthewK206 @ Apr 26 2009, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Fix'd

    the fact that you think slow smooth spinning>fast smooth spinning is an opinion dude
    some like fast smooth spinning better and vice versa
    facepalm.gif

  39. sathonmig
    Date: Tue, Apr 28 2009 00:31:13

    Aim for smoothness first, definitely.
    Speed is just a matter of taste, fast or slow. You could even mix it up, like slow mostly then speed up some tricks to make a statement or whatever, for example. But yeah, the jerky movement/pause could kill any combo.

  40. mhig
    Date: Tue, Apr 28 2009 03:12:43

    QUOTE (XternalメDGN @ Apr 27 2009, 07:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    whats the point of going so fast if you're jerky?

    well thats what makes ayatori's style so eye-catching. i personally like ayatori's fast style and all but not as much as smoother spinners.

  41. MatthewK206
    Date: Wed, Apr 29 2009 07:41:25

    QUOTE (SJ @ Apr 27 2009, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    the fact that you think slow smooth spinning>fast smooth spinning is an opinion dude
    some like fast smooth spinning better and vice versa
    facepalm.gif


    Nah it's a fact dude, trust me.

  42. SJ
    Date: Wed, Apr 29 2009 08:08:27

    QUOTE (MatthewK206 @ Apr 29 2009, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Nah it's a fact dude, trust me.

    prove it.

  43. Malch
    Date: Thu, Apr 30 2009 01:26:53

    You said it's a fact that he thinks that, and he does think it. Whether or not what he thinks is true is a matter of opinion, but whether or not he thinks it is not. wink.gif

    EDIT:
    I'd also like say I've noticed that a lot of fast and smooth spinners today were fast but choppy when they were less experienced (Dongza, Eriror) so I think it might actually be better to start with speed. I've always said smoothness > speed and that's the way I've practiced, but now I'm beginning to think it might be best to get to the speed you want to be at when you're really good, then work up smoothness from there.

  44. SJ
    Date: Thu, Apr 30 2009 01:39:09

    QUOTE (Malch @ Apr 29 2009, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    You said it's a fact that he thinks that, and he does think it. Whether or not what he thinks is true is a matter of opinion, but whether or not he thinks it is not. wink.gif

    wrong.
    read the previous posts smart one

    and why would you want to spin fast if youre not even smooth?

  45. danduts
    Date: Thu, Apr 30 2009 14:10:10

    I prefer slow & smooth spinning rather than fast, even though it's still kinda important

  46. Edor
    Date: Thu, Apr 30 2009 14:13:05

    smooth ftw xD

    smooth and slow
    or smooth and fast doesnt matter me

  47. Nam Dang
    Date: Thu, Apr 30 2009 14:25:08

    Smooth and also Fast.....

  48. Malch
    Date: Fri, May 1 2009 03:28:01

    QUOTE (SJ @ Apr 29 2009, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    wrong.
    read the previous posts smart one

    and why would you want to spin fast if youre not even smooth?

    My point was that smooth spinning always looks better, but as far as people who think they will be pro in the long run, it might be better to start with speed.

  49. Simplex【ヾ(^へ^)】
    Date: Fri, May 1 2009 04:13:33

    QUOTE (Malch @ Apr 30 2009, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    My point was that smooth spinning always looks better, but as far as people who think they will be pro in the long run, it might be better to start with speed.


    who thinks they will be pro in the long run... most people don't really start out pen spinning saying "yup i'm gonna be pro" they might have that attitude but thinking you'll be pro is just kinda arrogant. but for speed to actually look good you have to have some degree of smoothness. i mean you can always build up speed after you have mastered the basics of smooth spinning.

  50. Sanozucke
    Date: Fri, May 1 2009 04:41:11

    When i'm alone, i prefer to do smooth BUT when i'm with my friends ( not spinners ), mother, father ... i prefer to do really fast cool.gif

  51. jiyo95
    Date: Fri, May 8 2009 15:13:15

    i prefer smooth over fast, like bonkura's style.
    if you can do tricks smoothly, i think you can do it fast as well, so yea.

  52. JC
    Date: Fri, May 8 2009 15:33:36

    QUOTE (jiyo95 @ May 8 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    i prefer smooth over fast, like bonkura's style.
    if you can do tricks smoothly, i think you can do it fast as well, so yea.

    If you can do tricks smoothly, that doesn't necessarily mean that you can do it fast. Ponkoto, David Weis, and other old school spinners can spin really smoothly, but that doesn't mean they can spin it fast and still maintain their smoothness.

    Smoothness is the most important aspect of a combo imo. Not whether it's fast or slow; if it's smooth, it's good either way. While watching fast smooth combos are appealing, watching slow smooth combos are just as enjoyable (for me, the latter may be even more appealing, but that's just me). Speed doesn't affect the appeal of a combo much if it's smooth.
    -the only advantage of have a fast combo that I can think of right now is to be able to stuff more tricks into it in a shorter time, to show off more of what you can do which may be better for battles (but lots of spam isn't good of course)
    -but appeal wise, watching less tricks in 20 seconds spun slowly and smoothly = watching more tricks in 20 seconds spun quickly and just as smoothly

  53. AuToMaTiC88
    Date: Tue, Nov 24 2009 06:33:33

    smoothness > speed

  54. Gr3gY
    Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 07:23:35

    definitely smooth
    i dont like spinning too fast
    it'll get all fuzzed up

  55. Hippo2626
    Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 11:17:45

    Definitely smooth spinning but I'm also learning fast pen spinning to achieve higher number of revolutions for top spin tricks but before getting to style I think that control is the most important.

  56. pheonix
    Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 19:17:27

    agreed ^
    having smooth tricks and stuff look 10x better than fast ones

  57. Nation
    Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 20:55:32

    Simplex style = Chyeah.

  58. Kirby
    Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 21:02:29

    smoothness is definently more appealing but I think being really fast is harder then being really smooth.

    I enjoy a super smooth combo even if its really slow. But when I watch Dongza my mouth just drops tongue.gif

  59. Raine
    Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 22:05:17

    I consider speed equal to smoothness, as you need both to make a combo look good.

  60. blahblahting
    Date: Sat, Jan 23 2010 02:36:03

    SMOOTH. definitely. i mean, look at shadow and mhig and s777 and whatnot. im not saying fast spinning is bad, it just looks terrible if it lacks smoothness :/

    interesting. i thought i posted here before

  61. pakspinner
    Date: Sat, Jan 23 2010 04:01:30

    what do u guys think?

  62. N00B Spinner
    Date: Sat, Jan 23 2010 06:28:32

    That wasnt super fast or very smooth......

  63. Nation
    Date: Sat, Jan 23 2010 14:38:31

    QUOTE (pakspinner @ Jan 22 2010, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    what do u guys think?


    Spoiler:

    kinda okay, but I think it should be smoother.
    TUT ON MOD PLZ?

  64. Raine
    Date: Sat, Jan 23 2010 17:28:26

    QUOTE (Nation @ Jan 23 2010, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    kinda okay, but I think it should be smoother.
    TUT ON MOD PLZ?



    Wouldn't it be better to ask what the mod is first? >_>

  65. pReTTysMooTh
    Date: Sat, Jan 23 2010 23:28:18

    smoothness.

  66. Margareth
    Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 04:25:54

    slow but smooth spinning.. but if you can do like peem's spinning.. ?? oh well

  67. Clyde
    Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 11:57:38

    speed

  68. Spinner4ever
    Date: Mon, Jan 25 2010 21:05:16

    QUOTE (Clyde @ Jan 24 2010, 06:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    speed


    yeah, but what if it has a bad presentation, why don't you do smooth, and keep working on it until you can get it really fast?

  69. HyuKan
    Date: Wed, Jan 27 2010 22:35:46

    Both

  70. Kaffatsum
    Date: Thu, Jan 28 2010 11:41:41

    Speed is nothing without smoothness
    but smoothness can look nice without speed.

    I like to see a combination of both
    Spinners such as Dongza and Superwit are good examples.
    A13x,Errior, and s777 are also good examples.

  71. MR.STAR
    Date: Fri, Jan 29 2010 09:15:51

    i like smooth because look very nice i like s777 slow but very smooth

  72. GSkyrunner
    Date: Fri, Jan 29 2010 17:24:57

    QUOTE (Spinner4ever @ Jan 26 2010, 04:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
    yeah, but what if it has a bad presentation, why don't you do smooth, and keep working on it until you can get it really fast?


    Clyde's spinning is as fast as hell, as far as I know. >_>

    Smoothness for me, no doubt. Speed doesn't make your spinning look good, really.

  73. SPRiNGFiELD
    Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 08:39:27

    dongza vs S777, you decide

  74. Sanbaen
    Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 15:06:09

    i think smoothness, because, like everyones said, you can be super fast but if youre not smooth itll look like crap..

    also because in general i think that minimal movement of the hand look really great, and speed usually forces your hand to move a lot.. ohmy.gif

  75. CaptainGolfBall
    Date: Sat, Mar 6 2010 04:22:44

    For UPSB's sake, I obviously work on smoothness. But if I am out in public showing off to nonPSers, I do speed and power tricks. Anyone else kinda like that?

  76. darkgenesis-spinnerxD
    Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 21:33:45

    I would prefer both, smoothness and speed, because you need speed in order to keep the audience intrigued with the next linkage of tricks, and smoothness so people can admire your style of linking it up ^^

  77. Miguel
    Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 07:27:00

    I'd go for smoothness
    Even though I'm not smooth at spinning
    lol XD

  78. King Kommander X
    Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 16:39:50

    is it too much to ask for both?

  79. tic
    Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 17:04:11

    smoothness ftw

  80. Pieniek
    Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 18:32:27



    do you like it?

  81. Kirby
    Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 23:44:13

    QUOTE (Pieniek @ Mar 25 2010, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

    Spoiler:


    do you like it?

    Now that vs. s777

    my opinion is that looked good and awesome to a non-pser but to a penspinner I would like normal speed and smooth.
    Although that was pretty awesome!! tongue.gif at first I thot youtube sped it up.

  82. Anderfreeb
    Date: Fri, Mar 26 2010 01:05:06

    Q: smoothness or speed?

    A: yes

  83. Enzo
    Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 07:55:04

    i will choose smoothness over speed and at the same time i'll choose speed over smoothness also! xD

    in other words.. both!!

  84. idk
    Date: Tue, Mar 30 2010 03:02:44

    smoothness is much better...just don't try to make it so smooth you're going super duper slow lol