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Serious Discussion / Year 2012
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Date: Fri, Apr 24 2009 10:47:26
There're many people saying that the world will end in 2012, below are some info about it. I don't know if anyone believes it but I'd like to hear opinions from you all.
Reason one: Mayan calendar
The first to predict 2012 as the end of the world were the Mayans, a bloodthirsty race that were good at two things -- building highly accurate astrological equipment out of stone and sacrificing virgins.
Thousands of years ago they managed to calculate the length of the lunar moon as 329.53020 days, only 34 seconds out. The Mayan calendar predicts that the earth will end on December 21, 2012. Given that they were pretty close to the mark with the lunar cycle, it’s likely they’ve got the end of the world right as well.
Reason two: Sun storms
Solar experts from around the world monitoring the sun have made a startling discovery. Our sun is in a bit of strife. The energy output of the sun is, like most things in nature, cyclic and it’s supposed to be in the middle of a period of relative stability. However, recent solar storms have been bombarding the earth with lot of radiation energy. It’s been knocking out power grids and destroying satellites. This activity is predicted to get worse and calculations suggest it’ll reach its deadly peak sometime in 2012.
Reason three: The atom smasher
Scientists in Europe have been building the world’s largest particle accelerator. Basically, its a 27 km tunnel designed to smash atoms together to find out what makes the universe tick. However, the mega-gadget has caused serious concern, with some scientists suggesting that it’s properly even a bad idea to turn it on in the first place. They’re predicting all manner of deadly results, including mini black holes. So when this machine is fired up for its first serious experiment in 2012, the world could be crushed into a super-dense blob the size of a basketball.
Reason four: The Bible says it
If having scientists warning us about the end of the world isn’t bad enough, religious folks are getting in on the act as well. Interpretations of the Christian Bible reveal that the date for Armageddon, the final battle between good an evil, has been set for 2012. The I Ching, also known as the Chinese Book of Changes, says the same thing, as do various sections of the Hindu teachings.
Reason five: Super volcano
Yellowstone National Park in United States is famous for its thermal springs and old faithful geyser. The reason for this is simple -- it’s sitting on top of the world’s biggest volcano and geological experts are beginning to get nervous sweats. The Yellowstone volcano has a pattern of erupting every 650,000 years or so, and we’re many years overdue for an explosion that will fill the atmosphere with ash, blocking the sun and plunging the earth into a frozen winter that could last up to 15,000 years. The pressure under the Yellowstone is building steadily, and geologists have set 2012 as a likely date for the big bang.
Reason six: The physicists
This one’s case of bog -- simple maths mathematics. Physicists at Berkely University have been crunching the numbers. They’ve determined that the earth is well overdue for a major catastrophic event. Even worse, they’re claiming that their calculations prove that we’re all going to die, very soon. They are also saying that their prediction comes with a certainty of 99 per cent; and 2012 just happens to be the best guess as to when it occurs.
Reason seven: Earth’s magnetic field
We all know the Earth is surrounded by a magnetic field that shields us from most of the sun’s radiation. What you might not know is that the magnetic poles we call North and South have a nasty habit of swapping places every 750,000 years or so -- and right now we’re about 30,000 years overdue. Scientists have noted that the poles are drifting apart roughly 20-30 kms each year, much faster than ever before, which points to a pole-shift being right around the corner. While the pole shift is under way, the magnetic field is disrupted and will eventually disappear, sometimes for up to 100 years. The result is enough UV outdoors to crisp your skin in seconds, killing everything it touches.
Information taken from: http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?title=...rticleID=139440 -
Date: Fri, Apr 24 2009 15:47:57
don't really care. if we all die, we all die. There's nothing much we have to care about after that.
And I don't have to live for another 50 years. Cuz i predict my life to be shit.
anyhow, 2012, i believe is also the year photon belt comes. -
Date: Fri, Apr 24 2009 16:10:21
the sun is actually at the trough of inactivity. There has beenvery little solar activity and almost no sunspots.
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Date: Fri, Apr 24 2009 16:25:55
If none of those will happen, nothing will happen and everything will be alright.
If one of those does happen, we won't have something to do to prevent it anyway, and so we'll die anyway.
No need to worry.
Oh, and if the earth will be destroyed by the particle accelerator in Europe, It'll be funny as hell, biggest fail ever lqtm. -
Date: Fri, Apr 24 2009 17:10:43
what about the four horsemen?
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Date: Fri, Apr 24 2009 17:21:31
hmm most reasons are like "well nothing happened for a long time so it's BOUND to happen someday" and somehow they make them all fit the same year, when they could be spread out over a number of years, kinda stupid.
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Date: Fri, Apr 24 2009 18:03:18
And that earth magnetivity thing is entirely incorrect.
it it happens every once in a while, and it kills everything on the earth then, wouldnt it have killed everything last time it happened 750,000 years ago?
No, it didnt.
And reason six is like saying, I havent won the lottery jackpot in 30 years, im bound to win it within the next 3 years!! ....
No, thats not how probability works. -
Date: Fri, Apr 24 2009 20:04:29QUOTE (Metalm3 @ Apr 24 2009, 05:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>There're many people saying that the world will end in 2012, below are some info about it. I don't know if anyone believes it but I'd like to hear opinions from you all.
Reason one: Mayan calendar
The first to predict 2012 as the end of the world were the Mayans, a bloodthirsty race that were good at two things -- building highly accurate astrological equipment out of stone and sacrificing virgins.
Thousands of years ago they managed to calculate the length of the lunar moon as 329.53020 days, only 34 seconds out. The Mayan calendar predicts that the earth will end on December 21, 2012. Given that they were pretty close to the mark with the lunar cycle, it’s likely they’ve got the end of the world right as well.
Reason two: Sun storms
Solar experts from around the world monitoring the sun have made a startling discovery. Our sun is in a bit of strife. The energy output of the sun is, like most things in nature, cyclic and it’s supposed to be in the middle of a period of relative stability. However, recent solar storms have been bombarding the earth with lot of radiation energy. It’s been knocking out power grids and destroying satellites. This activity is predicted to get worse and calculations suggest it’ll reach its deadly peak sometime in 2012.
Reason three: The atom smasher
Scientists in Europe have been building the world’s largest particle accelerator. Basically, its a 27 km tunnel designed to smash atoms together to find out what makes the universe tick. However, the mega-gadget has caused serious concern, with some scientists suggesting that it’s properly even a bad idea to turn it on in the first place. They’re predicting all manner of deadly results, including mini black holes. So when this machine is fired up for its first serious experiment in 2012, the world could be crushed into a super-dense blob the size of a basketball.
Reason four: The Bible says it
If having scientists warning us about the end of the world isn’t bad enough, religious folks are getting in on the act as well. Interpretations of the Christian Bible reveal that the date for Armageddon, the final battle between good an evil, has been set for 2012. The I Ching, also known as the Chinese Book of Changes, says the same thing, as do various sections of the Hindu teachings.
Reason five: Super volcano
Yellowstone National Park in United States is famous for its thermal springs and old faithful geyser. The reason for this is simple -- it’s sitting on top of the world’s biggest volcano and geological experts are beginning to get nervous sweats. The Yellowstone volcano has a pattern of erupting every 650,000 years or so, and we’re many years overdue for an explosion that will fill the atmosphere with ash, blocking the sun and plunging the earth into a frozen winter that could last up to 15,000 years. The pressure under the Yellowstone is building steadily, and geologists have set 2012 as a likely date for the big bang.
Reason six: The physicists
This one’s case of bog -- simple maths mathematics. Physicists at Berkely University have been crunching the numbers. They’ve determined that the earth is well overdue for a major catastrophic event. Even worse, they’re claiming that their calculations prove that we’re all going to die, very soon. They are also saying that their prediction comes with a certainty of 99 per cent; and 2012 just happens to be the best guess as to when it occurs.
Reason seven: Earth’s magnetic field
We all know the Earth is surrounded by a magnetic field that shields us from most of the sun’s radiation. What you might not know is that the magnetic poles we call North and South have a nasty habit of swapping places every 750,000 years or so -- and right now we’re about 30,000 years overdue. Scientists have noted that the poles are drifting apart roughly 20-30 kms each year, much faster than ever before, which points to a pole-shift being right around the corner. While the pole shift is under way, the magnetic field is disrupted and will eventually disappear, sometimes for up to 100 years. The result is enough UV outdoors to crisp your skin in seconds, killing everything it touches.
Information taken from: http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?title=...rticleID=139440
Let's hit these one at a time and then i'll provide my personal opinion.
1. The Mayan calender says nothing about the world ending it is just the end of their cycle (like the wend of our year) Just because it's the last day of December doesn't mean the worlds going to end, The fact that the the calender ends is just pointing out the obvious fact that there are no more Mayans around to continue it...
2. Solar Flares, There ARE predictions of this, but as you stated yourself, it has been happening frequently. That's why the grids are equipped with circuit breakers and all sorts of monitoring equipment.If you're really worried about this, you can invest in a personal generator or something encase something like that ever happens. If the fail safes failed it'd just be like any blackout or power outage... While the most plausible it really isn't that drastic...
3.The Atom Collider. Cmon, REALLY? Theirs a higher chance that a terrorist organization will develop a nuclear weapon or some teenager will develop a nuclear weapon and destroy the world than that. Sure there is a chance that they could create a mini black hole before colliding, but it would be nothing like the black holes we know... The smartest scientists in the world have proven it to be safe... Theirs a greater risk of you getting in a car accident today and dieing than the collider causing anything disastrous.
4. These predictions in the Bible are based off of crossword style "code" said to be found within the bible. Which is based on complete randomosity and the fact that the bible has so many letters that it is bound to show something. The same code was used on the book, Moby Dick, and several other texts with a high word count, providing similar results (even some more in-depth predictions) that the Bible. The interpretation of the Bible which foretells 2012 as the end of the world also states the Jesus is the Devil and various other anti-christ messages...
The I-ching is based off of a pattern of numerical s which all "correspond" to 2012, If you look at any number long enough like the I-ching which has been feverishly studied and dedicated to by many people for life times you are bound to find a correspondence. 2012 is just a related number between many numbers... It's based off of the fact that the world is a changing place and if you picked any number of years from the worlds history you could find a correspondence. The 2012 fits the pattern, that's cool?
5. It has been well known for many years about the risk of the volcano. The volcano is closely monitored and is still considered "green" and normal, if some disaster were to potentially happen (doesn't have to be 2012) you would have plenty of warning. There are absolutely NO signs that the volcano is planning on erupting soon. Just like you said the eruption is 650000 years overdue, it could be thousands of years before it even makes a slight hint of eruption...
6. Again, the disaster would be place specific, not earth/life changing unless you live in that area, this is pretty much obvious, they're are always catastrophic events, every year. We don't need scientists to tell us that 2012 will be no different..
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7. Like Stevie said, the whole idea is bassicly some people searching for any event happening in 2012 and trying to think of a doomsday scenario, Or taking possible scenarios and trying to place them in 2012.
My opinion, There always have been people through history predicting the end of the world. And I believe there is a risk A GREAT RISK. And it isn't any of those you mentioned, it's us. Humans it has nothing to do with 2012 but what the human race is doing. We have already built enough weapons to obliterate the world in a second. We could all be gone tomorow, and everything the world particles floating through space. Because of our arrogance and because we think we can "control" things when we can't. Nuclear missiles have no other job but to fall and cause damage. We have done enough research to show that it would be devastating to the world due to nuclear fall out and many other things yet we continue to develop new technology. Soon there will be weapons far deadlier than any nuclear missile, Humans are just on a track, where if they keep going we will bring our own destruction upon ourselves...
The people who lived through the cold war probably had a higher chance of the world being destroyed than us in 2012, there is a greater chance of the world ending tomorow than there was yesterday, but humans have proven themselves superior to natural disasters in the fact that they continue to thrive. If you don't beleive me, look outside at all the roads and houses and everything created. But now the greatest risk is ourselves. -
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 02:04:18QUOTE (Resonance @ Apr 25 2009, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No need to worry.
Oh, and if the earth will be destroyed by the particle accelerator in Europe, It'll be funny as hell, biggest fail ever lqtm.
I know, that thing is so fail.
and shoeman6,
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Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 02:18:42
The Bible thing can't happen. Armageddon is supposedly 7 years after the Antichrist signs a treaty with Israel. And I'm not seeing anything right now that was described in Revelation.
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Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 02:37:01
the volcano thing... is total fail. it's over a huge thermal convection current, yes. it's due for eruption pretty soon, yes. it's will block out the sun and pollute the atmosphere for 15,000 years, no. most likely if it does erupt it'll PARTIALLY cover a small part of the atmosphere, doing pretty much no harm. if we do assume it would cover the atmosphere. the area of yellowstone is large enough to block out the sun for at most a few days. things will get cold but homo erectus and cro-magnon survived the ice age of their times, so what's stopping homo sapien's from surviving a week of dark coldness?
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Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 02:40:10
oowww.... 2012? can't they extend it 2 years longer???
2Pac is supposed to come back to life in 2014!
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Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 02:41:18
Midnight, an eruption as large as the one in yellowstone would have global climate impacts, not just for a week but for years... An eruption of tat scale would be the biggest Human kind has ever seen, While it could potentially kill millions of people, like I said before, they have 24/7 monitoring, and they really don't know WHEN it's going to erupt, jsut that it's not any time soon...(as they would see signs) You can visit their website for more information bout the volcano + Discovery made a good article about it.
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Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 02:43:54
Hey guys, I hope y'all are not directing everything at me. I'm just posting this because it seems that everyone's talking about it. I'd like to say that I've never once said I believe/don't believe this thing is true. I added in the 7 reasons so the first post isn't that empty and to make myself clearer on what topic I am on.
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Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 02:50:37
I'd like to see these "experts" the site cites...
I'm sure humans are adaptable enough to avoid or recover from anything that happens in 2012, or any year for that matter. -
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 03:07:49
Hmm.. thatd suck if it did, cause december 21 is my birthday :(
Still i think its fake.
And if anyone wants to bet ill bet $100. :)..
Smart people will find the trick in that last sentence. -
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 03:14:10
Oh haha I get it, you're not old enough to bet yet!
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Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 03:20:57
@shoeman dude sorry if i was inaccurate, that's what my biology teacher told me a few months ago when the topic came up. He's a real science head so yeah of course i believed him.
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Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 03:21:40QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Apr 24 2009, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Oh haha I get it, you're not old enough to bet yet!
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Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 03:35:47QUOTE (midnight_xhris @ Apr 24 2009, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@shoeman dude sorry if i was inaccurate, that's what my biology teacher told me a few months ago when the topic came up. He's a real science head so yeah of course i believed him.
Well, he isn't completely wrong. there could be a small minor eruption which wouldn't do much and is due. but the eruption currently talked about is one that happened millions of years ago that was pretty much the biggest one ever recorded. It would have been 2 times as big as the one that caused the iceage. -
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 06:53:38
@Kenny158, I guarantee you that you don't need to be 'smart' to know that you won't have to pay them if they win, the only trick there is that, using that reasoning, you're an idiot for only betting $100.
Ever since the world has existed it's always been changing, so you can't say 'we are long overdue for a catastrophic event' because the earth isn't constant, it has no pattern (that we can see). -
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 07:27:44
1) Christian bible says the second coming is unknown to all but God himself. i doubt 2012 >_>
2) collider, if a blackhole forms, wont it be super small and short lived to do any real damage? -
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 10:36:45
Malayan calendar= bullshit...
I believe non of this predictions that the world's gonna end at 2012. In the bible code it says that an asteroids gonna hit earth...in the Malayan calendar it says there will be war among nations...idk which is true so who knows if this is real -.- let's just enjoy life -
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 11:49:08
enjoy life while we can>
lets just live it as meaningfully as possible.
anyway on the bright side, no one will die alone. -
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 13:37:57QUOTEThe Mesoamerican Long Count calendar forms the basis for a New Age belief, first forecast by José Argüelles, that a cataclysm will take place on or about December 21, 2012, a forecast that mainstream Mayanist scholars consider a misinterpretation, yet is commonly referenced in pop-culture media as the 2012 problem.
"For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble[12], executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies, Inc. in Crystal River, Florida. "To render December 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting", she says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in." -
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 14:10:17QUOTE (XternalメDGN @ Apr 25 2009, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>enjoy life while we can>
lets just live it as meaningfully as possible.
anyway on the bright side, no one will die alone.
people who are a year younger than you in our country will be thinking: "oh well, i'll just flunk my 'O' levels and die like that.." -
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 14:27:24QUOTE (Tim @ Apr 25 2009, 01:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@Kenny158, I guarantee you that you don't need to be 'smart' to know that you won't have to pay them if they win, the only trick there is that, using that reasoning, you're an idiot for only betting $100.
Ever since the world has existed it's always been changing, so you can't say 'we are long overdue for a catastrophic event' because the earth isn't constant, it has no pattern (that we can see).
However there are patterns in the earths climate, and "cycles" we can see. Meaning that sometime in the next million years we're probably in for a huge climate change. I doubt humans would be around for that anyways though....QUOTE (000zero0000 @ Apr 25 2009, 02:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>1) Christian bible says the second coming is unknown to all but God himself. i doubt 2012 >_>
2) collider, if a blackhole forms, wont it be super small and short lived to do any real damage?
The Christian Bible also states that when the second coming DOES accur, everybody is going to be so bible illiterate that they wont realize that it is happening...
2. Yes, the mini black holes would last less that a second and wouldn't do any damage.QUOTE (Clyde @ Apr 25 2009, 05:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Malayan calendar= bullshit...
I believe non of this predictions that the world's gonna end at 2012. In the bible code it says that an asteroids gonna hit earth...in the Malayan calendar it says there will be war among nations...idk which is true so who knows if this is real -.- let's just enjoy life
The mayan calender says NOTHING about the world ending. I says it's a period of changing times. Kind of like the end of a year. The start of a new cycle...
The bible code is complete bs. Bible code contains many anti-christ messages as well, and has been proven to be bs. If you apply the bible code to Moby Dick for instance you get many more IN -DEPTH predictions of the future. Bible code only works because of the large word count which make possibilities for strings like those to be formed... -
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 20:51:25
@shoeman6 about the bible comment, sorry i wasn't clear, i ment the TIME of the second coming is unknown.
and about the collider. if the black whole is gonna be so small, wuts all the worry about?
and the 'bible code' didja know what you can find the code "The code is a lie" in the book "the bible code" guys a moron -
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 22:13:37
Thats the point, there isn't any worry... It's just all hype and yellow journalism
Of course he's a moron... -
Date: Sun, Apr 26 2009 08:26:47QUOTE (Stevieboy7 @ Apr 25 2009, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And that earth magnetivity thing is entirely incorrect.
it it happens every once in a while, and it kills everything on the earth then, wouldnt it have killed everything last time it happened 750,000 years ago?
No, it didnt.
And reason six is like saying, I havent won the lottery jackpot in 30 years, im bound to win it within the next 3 years!! ....
No, thats not how probability works.
maybe that is hw dinosaurs died?
and the first post u forgot to include
nostradamus 
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Date: Sun, Apr 26 2009 12:00:07
I do not believe in the 2012 event.
Yea sure the scientists at LHC are smashing atoms and all but really, do you think they would still continue if they knew it's going to turn out with the world obliterated? They're the ones who knows best, that's why they're doing this and not some random scientist somewhere commenting on them..
And yes, i agree on what stevieboy said about the volcano thing.
The switch happens now and then yea sure but i doubt it'll destroy the world. It has happened many times already.
About religion, yea sure.. I've never heard of any mention about the bible saying 2012 specifically. The comings have been predicted many times throughout history but they were all wrong. There're alot of things which must happen for the last coming and we're only a part of the way there. DOubt everything will happen within 3 years. Revelations is a tough book to understand.
Mayan calander, it just stopped at 2012. Doesnt mean anything. Maybe they just got bored.. or their race got wiped out before they could start on 2013.
Oh well, whatever happens happens. Im not going to do much on 2012. I'm just glad i'll be out of the army then. (if I take A-levels next year) -
Date: Sun, Apr 26 2009 16:12:07QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Apr 26 2009, 07:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I do not believe in the 2012 event.
Yea sure the scientists at LHC are smashing atoms and all but really, do you think they would still continue if they knew it's going to turn out with the world obliterated? They're the ones who knows best, that's why they're doing this and not some random scientist somewhere commenting on them..
And yes, i agree on what stevieboy said about the volcano thing.
The switch happens now and then yea sure but i doubt it'll destroy the world. It has happened many times already.
About religion, yea sure.. I've never heard of any mention about the bible saying 2012 specifically. The comings have been predicted many times throughout history but they were all wrong. There're alot of things which must happen for the last coming and we're only a part of the way there. DOubt everything will happen within 3 years. Revelations is a tough book to understand.
Mayan calander, it just stopped at 2012. Doesnt mean anything. Maybe they just got bored.. or their race got wiped out before they could start on 2013.
Oh well, whatever happens happens. Im not going to do much on 2012. I'm just glad i'll be out of the army then. (if I take A-levels next year)
I like what you said.
Its true. due to the LHC's size its actually LESS likely to create a doomsday scenario than the smaller ones around the world which actually have a greater risk of dstryoing the world everyday.
The LHC has so much radiation that anything created would destroy itself immediately... Other smaller smashers have less energy thus making them more seceptable to "theoretical" earth destroying matter.
The mayan calender is just a changing of a season or them. Like our decades. Its just the same as everyone getting hyped up about Y2k... Except on a different calender. -
Date: Sun, Apr 26 2009 17:49:30QUOTE (000zero0000 @ Apr 25 2009, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>1) Christian bible says the second coming is unknown to all but God himself. i doubt 2012 >_>
2) collider, if a blackhole forms, wont it be super small and short lived to do any real damage?
The smaller the black hole, the more gravity it has, so...it will do damage. If a black hole actually appears, it will be there for more than a few seconds. And, since it's sitting right on top of Earth, and it's super small, there is a chance that Earth would get sucked in in less than a second.
I hope it doesn't happen though.
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Date: Sun, Apr 26 2009 17:59:30QUOTE (IlbiStarz @ Apr 26 2009, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The smaller the black hole, the more gravity it has, so...it will do damage. If a black hole actually appears, it will be there for more than a few seconds. And, since it's sitting right on top of Earth, and it's super small, there is a chance that Earth would get sucked in in less than a second.
I hope it doesn't happen though.
Wow, xD Where'd you here that from...
You obviously don't know much about the topic of LHC
First of all, all basic theories and everything we know today say it's IMPOSSIBLE for a mini black hole to occur.
If extra dimensions are created by the collision then there is a POSSIBILITY for a micro black hole to appear. Which would immediately decay due to hawking radiation... -
Date: Tue, Apr 28 2009 05:19:53
i heard that if a blackhole the size of the tip of a ball point pen forms, it'll take a couple weeks to suck everything in?
anyone confirm this?
and can someone clearifly what the black hole has to be like for us to be in any real danger? i've heard at least 20 different theories, getting really annoying >_> -
Date: Tue, Apr 28 2009 11:15:53
answer to first question: it'll probably be gone by then. The black hole would've evaporated due to hawking radiation.
Dont know about the second question. -
Date: Wed, Apr 29 2009 01:28:34
Well according to all theories and science now it's impossible for any black hole to form (from LHC) and actually create any damage...
We don't know much about black holes in the first place so that may be why many answers you get are ambigouis. -
Date: Wed, Apr 29 2009 01:37:00
ok i like these kids of topics. i'm curious as to what hawking radiation is. can someone explain?
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Date: Wed, Apr 29 2009 11:25:29
Hawking radiation is radiation emitted by black holes. Thus, they are no longer totally invisible. It's themal energy of some sort and they are part of the black hole so the black hole will eventually evaporate.
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Date: Wed, Apr 29 2009 18:19:15QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Apr 26 2009, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wow, xD Where'd you here that from...
You obviously don't know much about the topic of LHC
First of all, all basic theories and everything we know today say it's IMPOSSIBLE for a mini black hole to occur.
If extra dimensions are created by the collision then there is a POSSIBILITY for a micro black hole to appear. Which would immediately decay due to hawking radiation...
lol.
The hawking radiation would last more than a few seconds.
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Date: Sun, May 3 2009 12:57:40
December 16 2012 is going to be a funny day. People are going to be running around like idiots only to find nothing will happen.
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Date: Sun, May 3 2009 13:26:43
Idk i think itll be very much like y2k
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Date: Mon, May 4 2009 11:51:34QUOTE (homesliceme @ May 3 2009, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>December 16 2012 is going to be a funny day. People are going to be running around like idiots only to find nothing will happen.
I know, I'm only getting people psyched up about my 19th birthday celebrations, nothing is actually going to happen. -
Date: Mon, May 4 2009 16:03:20QUOTE (homesliceme @ May 3 2009, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>December 16 2012 is going to be a funny day. People are going to be running around like idiots only to find nothing will happen.
lol now I'm excited for 2012 -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 02:58:20
i actual predict (at most) riots.
(least) some crazy people go mass murdering.
or.... im just a really pessimistic -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 03:01:59QUOTE (homesliceme @ May 3 2009, 05:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>December 16 2012 is going to be a funny day. People are going to be running around like idiots only to find nothing will happen.
i think its the 21st.. -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 03:11:57
you guys and the LHC are idiots. LHC won't do shit, anyone who thinks it will is an idiot.
Every reasonable scientific argument in the world has shown that any chance of the LHC doing ANY amount of measurable damage is laughable. End case. -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 03:29:21
Well.. another theory is that by expiramenting with dark matter it'll cause some gigantic explosion
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Date: Tue, May 5 2009 13:23:18
All sceince and previous coliders suggest NOTHING WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE LHC
If anything the small coliders have a greater chance of creating mass destruction than the large wun... -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 15:47:04
imo nuttin will happen.
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Date: Tue, May 5 2009 16:14:20
this is just an example of the nature of the human to exagerate and focus on negativity like sensationalism. they know people like freak out of negative stuff, so by talking about it, they ensure that they get the most attention which translates to money. you don't have to look every far to see other examples of sensationalism or pessimism.
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Date: Wed, May 6 2009 10:56:14QUOTE (Zombo @ May 6 2009, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>this is just an example of the nature of the human to exagerate and focus on negativity like sensationalism. they know people like freak out of negative stuff, so by talking about it, they ensure that they get the most attention which translates to money. you don't have to look every far to see other examples of sensationalism or pessimism.
Lol, reminds me of 'UCPSB is dying!'. -
Date: Sat, May 9 2009 14:40:28
I'm planning on making a few PANIC shirts to wear on that day, me and hopefully my friends as well...
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Date: Tue, Jun 2 2009 12:17:16
I think that something will happen... I don't know what but I dont think that the world will end ;D
I think that there will be a big change (of whatever)...
my greatgrandmother allways said: "there will be a time where you have to take three loaf of bread, 3 bottles of water and go into the forest"
would be funny if all people would go there... xD -
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 12:21:46
if it ends in 2012, then The Rapture should had have happened during at least 2005. >:( Not true for me. 2012 may be the time when The Rapture will happen. If you have struggles, please ask forgiveness and direct your life to Christ... (I'm still struggling...)
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Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 15:22:28
Ehhhh, saying 2012 could be when the rapture starts is as specific as saying the Rapture will start SOME day in the future...
The may makes the whole statement fall apartbecause for hundreds of years people have been predicting when it MIGHT happen and it never does. -
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 15:33:37
I think that will be the day Chuck Norris finally dies and the Robot nazi zombies will come out of hiding and destroy the earth. ... But thats just me
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Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 15:37:32
hmm mini black holes.. it happened already i think.
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Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 20:34:51
the thing with the calender is it will end on 2012, not the world the damn calender its as if they said "fuck it we're not gonna be here for this long so lets stop the calender and have our decedents piss thier pants while nothings going to happen, yeah that'll show them!"
anyone remember y2k. yeah i bet you still have some left over spam to eat don't cha? -
Date: Thu, Jun 18 2009 07:14:04
Quite frankly, people have predicted the end of the world over and over and over again in the past, and what's the chances of them being right this time? People are idiots, and like to sensationalize things. Blame the media: Doomsday theories are great money.
Also:QUOTEReason one: Mayan calendar
The first to predict 2012 as the end of the world were the Mayans, a bloodthirsty race that were good at two things -- building highly accurate astrological equipment out of stone and sacrificing virgins.
Thousands of years ago they managed to calculate the length of the lunar moon as 329.53020 days, only 34 seconds out. The Mayan calendar predicts that the earth will end on December 21, 2012. Given that they were pretty close to the mark with the lunar cycle, it’s likely they’ve got the end of the world right as well.
They didn't predict the end of the world: That was only the end of one baktun - a really long cycle of about 400 years.QUOTEReason three: The atom smasher
Scientists in Europe have been building the world’s largest particle accelerator. Basically, its a 27 km tunnel designed to smash atoms together to find out what makes the universe tick. However, the mega-gadget has caused serious concern, with some scientists suggesting that it’s properly even a bad idea to turn it on in the first place. They’re predicting all manner of deadly results, including mini black holes. So when this machine is fired up for its first serious experiment in 2012, the world could be crushed into a super-dense blob the size of a basketball.
It's called the Large Hadron Collider. And it's unlikely that anything's going to happen. Even if it does produce mini black holes, they'll probably harmlessly evaporate.QUOTEReason four: The Bible says it
If having scientists warning us about the end of the world isn’t bad enough, religious folks are getting in on the act as well. Interpretations of the Christian Bible reveal that the date for Armageddon, the final battle between good an evil, has been set for 2012. The I Ching, also known as the Chinese Book of Changes, says the same thing, as do various sections of the Hindu teachings.
Tone it down, please. -
Date: Tue, Oct 20 2009 10:54:41
How can y2k kill the whole world?
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Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 05:41:23
Basic Premise:
When somebody wants to back up a belief they will search out things that verify that.
Every example that points to DD2012 is nothing more than people pulling examples of coincidence and rearranging them in a meaningful manner.
Time to debunk things.
1.) Mayan Calander
- precisely wrong.
- Verifies lunar calander. Mathematics win. That's it.
- Because one thing was right must mean the other is right. Flawed logic right there.
- Example: 2 + 2 = 4. Therefore 3 + 8 = 12
2.) Sun-storms.
- It doesn't take out electronics, It garbles electronic data through radiation.
- Humans are not effected by Sun-spots.
3.) Atom smasher
- You do understand in order to produce a black hole that would consume the earth you would need a particle accelerator that would produce a super-massive black hole. (Not possible with our current tech)
4.) Bible
-Religion is bullshit. You can take any passage from the bible and weave it into any kind of story-line, moral tale, or fear tale you want. People believe it because they're too dumb to realize that they're being controlled through the fear of the unknown and opt for the simple solution out.
5.) Super-Volcano
-The earth survived a meteor blast that separated the land-mass of Pangea across the entire globe.
-Over-exaggeration sells magazines and plugs Discovery t.v. shows
6.) Physicists
- Calculating random occurring events that of which we have no control over to only come to the conclusion that the earth is destined for disaster.
- They have no better guess than a local weatherman
7.) Pole-shifting
- Jumping to conclusions that get publicity without proven experimentation with conclusion.
- "Never waste a good crisis."
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Date: Fri, Oct 23 2009 00:58:35QUOTE (iMatt @ Oct 21 2009, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Spoiler:
iMatt makes TONS of sense.
Still, Im scared of it :\ I mean, after listening to iMatt's explanation, im starting to become VERY skeptacal of it. or however you spell it.
Anyway, like 99.999999999% of the people, the media (IE Discovery Channel, History Channel, etc) has affected my decision. I seriously dont want to go, by the time 12-21-2012 comes, Ill barely be 18 *sigh* what to do what to do..
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Date: Fri, Oct 23 2009 04:58:54
about the said Mayan Calendar ending on Dec. 21, 2012...
Dont people know that the reason why it ends on 2012 is because they got bored of carving hieroglyphics into a f---ing stone circle tablet. My hand would hurt to if I was the official chiseler.
LOL
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Date: Fri, Oct 23 2009 05:06:43
You guys are blind.
The only reason 2012 has gained so much attention is because History Channel, Nat Geo, Discovery, and Science channel plug it into EVERYTHING. It's just a way to make money. It's kind of like people that sell commemorative 9/11 coins. They're trying to make money off of a popular subject. -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 17:10:26QUOTE (Ilvdrftng @ Oct 23 2009, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>iMatt makes TONS of sense.
Still, Im scared of it :\ I mean, after listening to iMatt's explanation, im starting to become VERY skeptacal of it. or however you spell it.
Anyway, like 99.999999999% of the people, the media (IE Discovery Channel, History Channel, etc) has affected my decision. I seriously dont want to go, by the time 12-21-2012 comes, Ill barely be 18 *sigh* what to do what to do..
Enjoy life at the present moment.Spend all your money now.So if it is not doomsday yet,good luck.
People say that on that day,its the start of a new era.What do you think?
Edit:And planet x,also known as Nibiru,with the aliens called Zetas. -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 17:19:09
i hope jesus comes visit on that day
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Date: Mon, Nov 9 2009 21:01:40QUOTE (Ilvdrftng @ Oct 23 2009, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I seriously dont want to go, by the time 12-21-2012 comes, Ill barely be 18 *sigh* what to do what to do..
What to do? absolutely nothing. why should you do something? if it's going to end you'll die anyway, and you won't remember if you had more or less fun, or spent all your money.
If it isn't going to end, well, you just got another 70 something (probably) years to have fun and waste your money or w/e.
iMatt is pretty much right. no logical reason to fear this day. (besides idiots trying to create some chaos or something) -
Date: Tue, Nov 10 2009 04:47:40
i don't want to dieee!!!
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Date: Tue, Nov 10 2009 04:51:23
yeah i dont know why u believe in all in this mumbo jumbo.....god knows when the world will end, i dont know why people are trying to say these things.
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Date: Tue, Nov 10 2009 04:57:01
Anyway there's nothing we can do if something does happen.
Agree with iMatt logically but you never know. It's not like we've discovered everything and we know everything.
However, I did read a news article that disproves the Mayan theory (can't remember how) but yeah they interviewed specialists and stuff and they said the media has blown it all out of perspective from what they originally concluded about the Mayan carvings.
Nostradomus thing: not sure. I think ppl r just making connections everywhere they can just to try to scare us?
Bible: again agree with iMatt that you can take many of the passages and weave it around this thing...
My opinion: again we can't do anything if it does happen but I really do not think it will. Don't waste all of your money before 2012 cuz ur screwed if nothing happens. I'm very skeptical but I do not completely disagree that something may happen... -
Date: Thu, Nov 12 2009 09:27:00QUOTE (zuolin @ Nov 10 2009, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i don't want to dieee!!!
2012 can't come soon enough ...=.=
my (slightly sarcastic) point to add is:
if the mayans did predict the end of the world, wouldn't they have put a little stone post-it note on the date that said "end of the world, dont bother to buy milk"
i think in general, humans are a bunch of drama queens
we've seen it with y2k
the atom collider thing (what the hell is that meant to do anyway?)
every apocalypse movie
speaking of which, that 2012 movie will be hilarious
and how is the world going to end?
strictly speaking, if there were that mayan guy who made the calendar were still alive, what would he respond?
according to the 2012 movie trailers, a whole bunch of so-cliche-apocalypse stuff is going to happen
my honest theory is that the universe is god's video game and god gets bored in 2012 and turns off the universe without saving and corrupts the memory card....
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Date: Thu, Nov 12 2009 11:03:45
But seriously,how can y2k kill the whole world.Its only computers.
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Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 02:30:16
y2k....
problems occuring with eff'd up computers:
1. planes run on computer things, eff'd up, they'll die.
2. every business transaction will be eff'd up, therefore no food/goods can be delivered/sold (properly)
3. which would lead to mass looting, effing up the city
4. internet eff's up, every nerd goes on mass homocide
5. every person living in the country will be safe.... meaning country music will flourish, spawning multiple taylor swifts and keith urbans, everyone commits suicide
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Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 05:48:16QUOTE (k-ryder @ Nov 12 2009, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>y2k....
problems occuring with eff'd up computers:
1. planes run on computer things, eff'd up, they'll die.
2. every business transaction will be eff'd up, therefore no food/goods can be delivered/sold (properly)
3. which would lead to mass looting, effing up the city
4. internet eff's up, every nerd goes on mass homocide
5. every person living in the country will be safe.... meaning country music will flourish, spawning multiple taylor swifts and keith urbans, everyone commits suicide
and that's how y2k could have killed the world
lulz at #5
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Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 13:05:14
Film 2012 is out. I saw it last night. Very good, it ivnolves yellowstone park ^^. who else has seen it?
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Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 13:26:53
To my understanding, the bible doesn't really say it'll end on 2012.
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Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 19:23:08
I think it is bullshit. Humans LOVE to see movies that involve their worst fears come to life.
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Date: Wed, Dec 23 2009 01:24:32QUOTE (k-ryder @ Nov 12 2009, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>my honest theory is that the universe is god's video game and god gets bored in 2012 and turns off the universe without saving and corrupts the memory card....
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Date: Wed, Dec 23 2009 11:51:23QUOTE (000zero0000 @ Apr 25 2009, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>1) Christian bible says the second coming is unknown to all but God himself. i doubt 2012 >_>
2) collider, if a blackhole forms, wont it be super small and short lived to do any real damage?
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Date: Wed, Dec 23 2009 11:52:48QUOTE (Prince @ Nov 22 2009, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Film 2012 is out. I saw it last night. Very good, it ivnolves yellowstone park ^^. who else has seen it?
Maybe everyone who posted here?
Lol
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Date: Thu, Dec 24 2009 01:08:17
After watching the shit movie 2012, i don't believe it will happen anymore.
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Date: Thu, Dec 24 2009 04:55:40
mayan= lazy people who where to lazy to finish the stupid calendar
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Date: Thu, Dec 24 2009 05:35:30
i'm pretty sure the mayans are gonna make another calender before 2012, and sell it at shopping malls
i hope its a calender with those little stone-carved puppies
i leik puppies
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Date: Tue, Dec 29 2009 10:27:41
we are going to die in abt 2years time
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Date: Tue, Dec 29 2009 11:46:20
2 years? someone needs to go learn some more math
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Date: Wed, Dec 30 2009 00:30:16
What do you mean?...
We could all die tomorow... doesnt mean Sh@t = \ -
Date: Wed, Dec 30 2009 02:37:02
I heard about this all the time and I am sick of it
seriously, the only one that knows when the end of the world will happen is GOD. Many won't agree with it, but think about it, this is their 4th prediction that the END OF THE WORLD will come. So they messed up already a couple times, I did not even read the description of this thread but I know what this is about.
If you did not read what my myspace title said some years ago, here it is "Live your life every single second and take advantage of it"
and seriously enjoy it. The world would end some day but some pieces of wood won't certainly and truly tell us when is this going to happen 
. Some people respect that, so I do, but when it comes to predict the END OF THE WORLD, only the one that is 
UP knows.