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Naming Committee / [topic][5.23] Fingercrossing Notation
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Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 14:55:01
This topic discusses a possible notation for Fingercrossing.
I think an idea could be to add a modifier after the fingerslots, which would indicate which fingers are crossed while executing a trick.
I thought about a modifier like the push one in the hybrid taps: "Halftap T1-T1 [p 2]", where the [p x] indicates which finger is executing the trick, independently of in which fingerslot is the pen.
So it could be something like this: [fc xy] , where "fc" stands for fingercross, and xy would be the fingers that are crossing. An easy example would be:
IndexMiddlearound 13-13 [fc 12] , where 2 is crossed over 1 before, during and after the trick.
But here comes the first point. What happens if you uncross 1 and 2 before catching the pen (after doing the around)?. You could uncross the fingers while doing the around and catch the pen in 13 with 2 stretched. Or you could start with the fingers uncrossed, then do the around, and cross the fingers while the pen is spinning, finally ending with 12 crossed.
So fingercrossing notation should describe if the fingers are crossed in all the trick or only at the beginning/middle/ending of it.
Second point. It's not the same to cross 2 over 1 than to cross 1 over 2. The notation should also cover this. For example with something like [fc 12] vs [fc 21].
Third point. There could be more than 2 fingers crossed at the same time. For example 2 over 1 at the same time 3 is over 2. Or 2 over 1 at the same time 3 is over 4.
4th point. We should differentiate a cross of a finger (1,2,3,4) with T of a cross with TF.
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I was confused about the topic number because the last ones are "[topic][1.24.1] Swivels" and "[topic][5.21] Spreads" , and the topic ""Tossed" ThumbAround" has no number, so I'll edit if I've done it wrong. -
Date: Mon, Apr 27 2009 15:21:14
fixed numbering
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Date: Wed, Apr 29 2009 06:07:10
Read Page 15 and 16 in this thread: http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=31&st=280
I got something very similar or the same thing but I never covered up these things:QUOTESecond point. It's not the same to cross 2 over 1 than to cross 1 over 2. The notation should also cover this. For example with something like [fc 12] vs [fc 21].
Third point. There could be more than 2 fingers crossed at the same time. For example 2 over 1 at the same time 3 is over 2. Or 2 over 1 at the same time 3 is over 4.
4th point. We should differentiate a cross of a finger (1,2,3,4) with T of a cross with TF.
We could just work on this.
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Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 23:42:05
Recovery:
We discussed this in SPSC and Kurotsuki found an interesting way to solve some points in the first post. He used the formal notation and mixed it with the fingercross one previously suggested.
But first, the other points:
We agreed on notating the finger crossed over the other first. For example, [fc 21] means that the middle finger is over the index, and [fc 12] that the index finger is over the middle.
For multiple fingercrossings, simply keep the order if they are in the same fingercross (example [fc 321] where the ring is over the middle, and the middle over the index, all at the same time) or in more (example [fc 21 34] where the middle is over the index and the ring over the pinky). Spaces could be used to show different fingercrossings.
We also agreed that is not the same a fingercross of a finger and TF (example [fc 3TF] ) than a finger with the thumb (examples [fc 1T] or [fc T4] ).
Also, the phalanx notation that are developing in the FPSB laboratoire could be used in fingercrossing (for example [fc 2y1y] vs [fc 2y1x] ), where the phalanxes notated show where the fingercross is done.
Here comes Kurotsuki’s point:
- We take the case of the IndexMiddlearound 13-13 with fingercross 21. If we have the fingercross during all the trick we can notate it as:
IndexMiddlearound 13-13 [fc 21]
- If we start the trick with fingercrossing and then we uncross the fingers during the around, and finally catch it in 12:
IndexMiddlearound 13-12 [p 3 fc 21] [c 12]
Notation the push with the fingercross shows that the second is done during the first, but not during the around nor in the catch.
- If we start the trick without fingercross and we cross the fingers after the push:
IndexMiddlearound 23-13 [p 3] [c 13 fc 21]
- The most difficult one: if we start without fingercrossing, we cross the fingers after the push but we uncross them before the catch:
IndexMiddlearound 23-23 [p 3] [fc 21] [c 23] -
Date: Mon, Nov 2 2009 01:09:36
Sorry for answering so late, but a fingercross notation was already made in FPSB's laboratory (something like... 6 months ago), a notation fratleym agreed with...
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Date: Mon, Nov 2 2009 21:46:28
So can you post a link to it / summary of the notation please?
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Date: Tue, Nov 3 2009 02:28:47