UPSB v3
Ladder: Archive / [ladder-x] Fratleym v Scott Shaputis
Scott Shaputis wins
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Date: Fri, Nov 16 2007 21:40:48
no time limit
due date dec. 1?
accept?
Scott Shaputis
http://www.dailymotion.com/Scott_Shaputis/...b_vs-frat_flirt
FratleymメFS
download: http://pds54.cafe.daum.net/original/6/cafe...327640&.wmv
streaming: http://www.dailymotion.com/pouetah/video/6019317
VOTE!
poll to run for 7 days -
Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 22:35:46
Sure, I'd never refused a battle.
I will do my best, I'm not expecting less from you ^^ -
Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 22:47:35
i'm definitely going to try as hard as i can.
i'm looking forward to a great battle ;] -
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 19:16:31
http://www.dailymotion.com/Scott_Shaputis/...b_vs-frat_flirt
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Date: Sun, Nov 25 2007 19:20:07
http://pds54.cafe.daum.net/original/6/cafe...327640&.wmv
to dl
http://www.dailymotion.com/pouetah/video/6019317
to look (as soon as it will be up)
have voted for you, I really like all the efforts you did on the creativity.
Even if it's not perfectly smooth, it was definetely creative. I think that you have understand how to win a battle on this board.. -
Date: Sun, Nov 25 2007 19:36:06
Thank you very much, I appreciate it a lot.
Your video was very good, although I expected you to do something more crazy.
I just wanted to try out some new stuff, and I knew if I was going to stand even the slightest chance against you, I knew I had to do something people haven't really seen before.
most ridiculous thing i've ever seen in my entire life, I can't believe this isn't a joke. -
Date: Sun, Nov 25 2007 22:22:28
I liked the little bits of creativity in your vid, Scott. You got my vote. :] Work on smoothness and you're gonna rock.
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Date: Sun, Nov 25 2007 23:04:09
o snap.. couldn't decide lol. i nulled.
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Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 00:00:13
i never expected to have a battle this close with frat
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Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 01:55:08
frat got my votes..
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Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 02:26:55
Scott got my vote, though choppy with mistakes. improve your bakriser finish!!
i expected frat to have something more complex.. sort of disappointed.
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Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 03:48:16
Scott was amazing but his mistakes kinda ruined the moment. I still REALLY RESPECT him for his epic talent.
Frat could've done better, but my vote goes to him for his "flawless" combo -
Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 05:45:22
scott's combo was pretty cool, and that thing were you flicked the pen onto that board thingy....awesome.
but there were a few mistakes and inconsistencies, and seriously guys, transfers need to be as smooth as everything else.
voted for fratleym for sheer brilliance....plus consistent, smooth, and in that creative style of his. -
Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 21:10:20
k
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Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 21:15:05
haha scott you're basically my hero.
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Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 21:29:56
Scott's combo was crazy creative, but I had to go with Frat because of the mistake-free combo.
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Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 21:40:51
that's not a legit reason to vote for someone... frat's was great, there's lots of reasons to vote for him... but because it was mistake-free really isn't one of them ... i could to thumbaround mistake-free, and that doesn't really matter... i guess if you meant it was mistake-free juxtaposed with the difficulty of the combo, then it'd be legit...
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Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 21:45:52
I personally believe that there is a time when difficulty and creativity can over come smoothness, when the combo with the more creative and difficult aspects is presented in a reasonable manner with a decent amount of smoothness, although there might be some rough points I thought that I performed the tricks in a decent enough fashion to the point that saying the other combo is just more smooth than mine, just wouldn't be enough to beat mine. I guess everyone can't be alike though.
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Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 07:04:09
Anyway I was pretty sure I would lose if I was doing a "normal" combo (to me it's me it's not but well).
If anyone does something totally crazy creative, in this board, he surely has the point.QUOTEthat's not a legit reason to vote for someone... frat's was great, there's lots of reasons to vote for him... but because it was mistake-free really isn't one of them ... i could to thumbaround mistake-free, and that doesn't really matter... i guess if you meant it was mistake-free juxtaposed with the difficulty of the combo, then it'd be legit...
doing a whole combo mistake free is not like doing a TA mistake free. My combo was pretty difficult whatever you can think and doing it mistake free is even more difficult. If I wanted to be creative I could have done it as well but this time I wanted to do kinda perfect combo even if it's not as creative as you would have liked it to be.QUOTEI personally believe that there is a time when difficulty and creativity can over come smoothness, when the combo with the more creative and difficult aspects is presented in a reasonable manner with a decent amount of smoothness, although there might be some rough points I thought that I performed the tricks in a decent enough fashion to the point that saying the other combo is just more smooth than mine, just wouldn't be enough to beat mine. I guess everyone can't be alike though.
That's what i thought during a long time but a lot of people told me that my creativity was screwed up by my lack of smoothness. that's why I'm working on smoothness now, but please don't think that this combo is not creative, really.
Creativity is not just throwing a pen somewhere. Just take some time to breakdown both combos and you will see which one is really creative.
Scott your combo was good anyway but your 2nd pen transfer has a big break and your cont aerial bak at the end lagged totally, and your final ending is really easy.
but well I was knowing that doing some kinda flashy tricks will get the point over here.
I really don't care about losing but please, for the coming videos, take a look at both breakdowns before saying one is creative and the other not.
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Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 07:12:24
i expected to lose this battle from the start seriously #3 in the world, dude you are a god i've looked up to you for such a long time.
and i told you even
i am going to battle you for fun
so i did what i said
i made a combo that i thought was fun and i wanted to think outside the box so that maybe other people could too, i am bored with people just doing the same old things when there are so many unexplored aspects of pen-spinning that i feel people should branch out into
and by battling you
one of the best in the fucking world
i figured it would draw attention to the battle and more people would see my video and hopefully i could inspire someone else to "take pen-spinning to the next level"
those are just my thoughts -
Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 13:12:49QUOTEi expected to lose this battle from the start seriously #3 in the world, dude you are a god i've looked up to you for such a long time.
and i told you even
i am going to battle you for fun
so i did what i said
i made a combo that i thought was fun and i wanted to think outside the box so that maybe other people could too, i am bored with people just doing the same old things when there are so many unexplored aspects of pen-spinning that i feel people should branch out into
and by battling you
one of the best in the fucking world
i figured it would draw attention to the battle and more people would see my video and hopefully i could inspire someone else to "take pen-spinning to the next level"
those are just my thoughts
It's ok you know, it's no problem to me^^
you have made a great video -
Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 16:13:26QUOTE (FratleymメFS @ Nov 27 2007, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That's what i thought during a long time but a lot of people told me that my creativity was screwed up by my lack of smoothness. that's why I'm working on smoothness now, but please don't think that this combo is not creative, really.
I don't think that you need to listen to those people. -
Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 18:47:19
i voted for frat and the reason is simple, scott fluked this one but didn't react well. Normally when you fluke something, you have to act as if it was planned and continue without losing focus. In this case, scott made the fluke aerial but was surprised by his own move and had to stop to wonder what to do next.
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Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 21:05:48
I tied it
now I feel bad... -
Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 21:11:10
frat, i think you misunderstood my point ... i was just saying that because its mistake-free isnt a reason to vote for someone. but that YOUR difficult combo was mistake free, that is a reason to vote for someone
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Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 22:10:50QUOTEfrat, i think you misunderstood my point ... i was just saying that because its mistake-free isnt a reason to vote for someone. but that YOUR difficult combo was mistake free, that is a reason to vote for someone
ok I agree, I must have misunderstood that, sorry -
Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 23:37:48QUOTE (strat1227 @ Nov 26 2007, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that's not a legit reason to vote for someone... frat's was great, there's lots of reasons to vote for him... but because it was mistake-free really isn't one of them ... i could to thumbaround mistake-free, and that doesn't really matter... i guess if you meant it was mistake-free juxtaposed with the difficulty of the combo, then it'd be legit...
Well, I believe it's legit, but it's just my preferance. Of course there's people who'll oppose me.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 00:00:37QUOTE (Zombo @ Nov 27 2007, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i voted for frat and the reason is simple, scott fluked this one but didn't react well. Normally when you fluke something, you have to act as if it was planned and continue without losing focus. In this case, scott made the fluke aerial but was surprised by his own move and had to stop to wonder what to do next.
no i didn't
http://www.dailymotion.com/Scott_Shaputis/...3l0_movie_flirt
that was 1 try before i actually did it
it wasnt a 100% planned combo but i had things that i knew i wanted to include
don't believe me if you don't want, but i could prove it cause right after i got that try where i dropped it i went and sent it to people
then like 4 seconds later i was like
OMG OMG OMG I GOT IT
LOLQUOTE (Fratleym)you have made a great video
you don't have to say what you don't mean
because basically what i got out of your post on the first page was: you're just throwing the pen around, you are gimmicky, that was easy, and you were just doing that to win
and just so you know that hurt me really bad -
Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 01:46:23
ok maybe you did plan to have an aerial, but I'm pretty sure u didnt plan it to fly off this exact way and that made the landing difficult.
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Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 02:36:57
i did plan for it to go to my left
but for some reason it was my natural reaction to go for it with my right
i knew this would come up too :/
i know i did the aerial specifically cause right when it rolled off the deck and did a snap flip i remember cause it was hurting my hand to do it -
Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 03:48:27
how was the voting tied b4 my vote, frat's was clearly better, using both hands for the sake of using both hands doesnt make u pro IMO, at least frat had a smooth routine
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Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 03:52:39
why don't you read the posts
and if you judge only on smoothness, then i am sorry but that is just a load of shit.
not surprised you've only been spinning for a few months
obviously smoothness is an important factor
but people really need to grow out of
smoothness is the only factor. -
Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 04:02:13
hey Scott relax man.
i usually find that creativity without a certain level of smoothness is quite ridiculous. it'll look like wild flailing.
but i reason why i voted for you was because i felt that you had this one was because you managed to hit that level of smoothness, though with certain breaks.
smoothness is not the only factor, but it is important as it makes the combo look good on face value and is crucial for entertainment.
so actually every combo needs some level of smoothness at least IMO. -
Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 04:09:32QUOTE (DaThroat @ Nov 27 2007, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hey Scott relax man.
i usually find that creativity without a certain level of smoothness is quite ridiculous. it'll look like wild flailing.
but i reason why i voted for you was because i felt that you had this one was because you managed to hit that level of smoothness, though with certain breaks.
smoothness is not the only factor, but it is important as it makes the combo look good on face value and is crucial for entertainment. so actually every combo needs some level of smoothness at least IMO.
Dathroat speaks truth. :]
Although, scott's transfers did need work... To be blunt, they were pretty crappy. -
Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 04:16:19
i know my transfers were shit
and i even said in my other post smoothness is an important factor to every combo
i guess
fair warning to everyone
don't try something new until you have it 100% smooth
or you are just a gimmicky piece of shit
well
im sorry
but im done. -
Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 07:03:16QUOTEyou don't have to say what you don't mean
because basically what i got out of your post on the first page was: you're just throwing the pen around, you are gimmicky, that was easy, and you were just doing that to win
and just so you know that hurt me really bad
Don't think that, I was serious about your having a great combo.
I really underestimated you and I wasn't thinking you were able to do that.
All I say is that on this board, some flashy creativity is said to be better than everything else. If you don't think that way, it's cool but the votes are like that, we can't really change it.QUOTEknow my transfers were shit
and i even said in my other post smoothness is an important factor to every combo
i guess
fair warning to everyone
don't try something new until you have it 100% smooth
or you are just a gimmicky piece of shit
well
im sorry
but im done.
it makes me laugh a bit, sorry about that, it's just because I was like that a while ago. I really thought that crezativity was the main thing and I do still think it's the main thing but basically you're talking about something you don't even tried.
Smoothness is something very hard and has not to be taken unseriously.
To me having a whole combo really smooth is much harder that doing a high technically combo.
I really thought the contrary too but I was thinking "let's do something clean now" I just saw it wasn't that easy.
if you want to talk about what I said on first page, I don't think you can opposite those two endings. on one hand you have an aerial catched with the whole hand so it's kinda impossible to miss it, on the other hand you have a twisted sonic bust 2.0 -> rev aerial bak
well it's always the same problem on UPSB, people don't change their mind easily... -
Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 14:46:46
this battle is very difficult to judge because scott's video has creativity but it suffers also from lack of smoothness and you have to decide if the creativity overcomes the smoothness, many people have noticed this but how big it affects their appreciation of the video is almost too subjective to decide.
fratleym, the judgment is not as clear as you say. also this is voted by the public, it's unreasonable to demand the public to get the voting accurately because some people may vote carelessly. Public works well only if the outcome of the battle is one-sided. If you want to complain, maybe it's better to do it in a battle that's regulated by judges. it seems to me that you never miss the chance to complain about the lack of technical analysis of this community. like I said before, it is better to positively teach them how to view combos rather than remark their ignorance.
also, please read my article and tell me what you think: http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showtopic=2287 -
Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 21:32:00
nah I never complained, it's just somethin obviously historical, UPSB has always been set as a like-the-creativity board.
I really like creativity too but well this kind of debate recall me all the endless debate I had with LB, dont want to argue anymore on it... -
Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 21:34:19QUOTE (FratleymメFS @ Nov 28 2007, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>nah I never complained, it's just somethin obviously historical, UPSB has always been set as a like-the-creativity board.
I really like creativity too but well this kind of debate recall me all the endless debate I had with LB, dont want to argue anymore on it...
then don't bring it up anymore lol
I think all you proved in this thread is that public voting is unreliable, and that you want this battle to be judged on technical merits, but the public vote in whatever way they please, meaning they could vote for the video they prefer which does not necessarily mean the BEST video.
and I don't think you can argue that UPSB people are WRONG to prefer a kind of pen spinning over another... that's just a matter of taste, you can't argue that. You can however say that a battle should not be voted by taste, in which case, this is just a problem of public voting, which you could have demanded for judge instead. -
Date: Thu, Nov 29 2007 20:38:03
Haha.
I just looked at the first post and the videos, liked Scotts pop on the skateboard (?) and voted for him. If I had read the whole thread first and known the seriousness of it I would've judged on skill and technical level instead and given my vote to Frat. -
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 07:11:39QUOTEthen don't bring it up anymore lol I think all you proved in this thread is that public voting is unreliable, and that you want this battle to be judged on technical merits, but the public vote in whatever way they please, meaning they could vote for the video they prefer which does not necessarily mean the BEST video.
and I don't think you can argue that UPSB people are WRONG to prefer a kind of pen spinning over another... that's just a matter of taste, you can't argue that. You can however say that a battle should not be voted by taste, in which case, this is just a problem of public voting, which you could have demanded for judge instead.
hey Zombo I haven't said it was bad to vote for some criterias or not. I just say that this board has some special votes for what she think is creativity. No more no less. I think it's cool to be judged in that way too. I so know what kind of video I will do in the coming battles^^ -
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 14:12:57QUOTE (FratleymメFS @ Nov 30 2007, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hey Zombo I haven't said it was bad to vote for some criterias or not. I just say that this board has some special votes for what she think is creativity. No more no less. I think it's cool to be judged in that way too. I so know what kind of video I will do in the coming battles^^
yeah ppl here like cool flashy new tricks, but that's just their taste, if you ask for videos to be judged on technical effort, then ppl will vote differentlt from their own tastes. -
Date: Mon, Dec 3 2007 00:04:11
game over?