UPSB v3 Archive | Unwritable pen

WhiteFang

Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 02:36:21

should pens that you can't write with considered a pen? definition of a pen is "any of various instruments for writing or drawing with ink or a similar substance." (from dictionary.com)

if someone spin a pen that you can't write with.. would that be pen spinning?? or not?

yxTay

Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 03:29:34

So this has started again. Although I'm against unwritable pens, I've gotta say that dictionary.com has never taken the trend of pen spinning into consideration when coming out with the definition. If one feels that spinning a pen that writes is important to one's dignity, then, might as well spin a writable one. Otherwise, never mind. In other words, it's up to one's preference. There's not really a need to come up with a unanimous definition for the whole community.

This issue is always open to debate and there are convincing arguments on both sides. For one, I'm against the complete removal of the ink tube (or the ink dispensing part of the pen). To avoid problem of ink spillage (especially gel ink), an empty ink tube will do. It'd be good to try, as far as possible, to design and build pen mods around the ink tube.

Square

Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 03:30:08

Well... usually if you can't write with the pen, it's because it is a mod. A modded pen, by our definition, is still a pen whether it has been modded to include the writing ability or not. Thus, I conclude that spinning with any writing utensil, originating from or similar to an ink using writing instrument, would be considered a pen for our purposes; meaning that yes, it is still pen spinning.

sketching

Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 03:36:36

Unwritable pens...
If you make any modification to a pen, you've already changed it in a way that takes it from its original essence and purpose. You now have a "pen modification" as a tool to help you to more easily perform pen spinning tricks. As soon as you make any alteration away from what the pen was originally made to be like, you've already crossed a line. You may as well as far from that line as you personally please.

I used to be firmly rooted in the thought that a pen mod should still be able to write and still be a pen. Now, I really don't care. As soon as you mod the original pen, it becomes a "pen modification" as a seperate object from the pen that it started out to be. As soon as it becomes a "pen modification" instead of just a "pen", you can do whatever you want as long as you're happy with the result. Does it need to write? No. It's now a tool to perform pen spinning tricks with.

If you spin something that cannot write, then it's on your shoulders to deal with any ridiule from anyone who sees you spinning a "stick" or whatever. As long as you can realize how other people may be viewing you, do whatever you want.

Pen spinner...
I still say that a "pen" should write. A "pen modification" can still be a "pen" and write, but it doesn't have to. It's just a tool to allow you to more easily perform pen spinning tricks. Unless you cannot do a single trick with a "pen" of some kind, then you are a pen spinner. I doubt that there is anyone who strictly uses something like a Ballsign mod who cannot do most of the same tricks with even an unmodded pen, let alone a less severe pen mod that is also a pen. They may be done badly, but they can still be done. In this case, you are still practicing tricks that can be done with a pen, choose not to normally use a pen, but can use a pen if you have to prove that you are a "pen" spinner.

WhiteFang

Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 03:42:40

QUOTE

So this has started again.

was there thread about this before??

Tim

Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 03:46:47

Several have been started before, I remember there was a big one made by Strat not too long ago. Also this argument comes into every single thread about KT's and heavy pens which are similar. This is the first thread that has been started on UPSB (I think ) although it's quite similar to the "Who's a penspinner" thread. Most people are getting quite tired of voicing their opinion on this subject.

Sfsr

Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 12:19:46

This discussion has been around since the beginning of penspinning afaik

Anyways, I use my pen modifications for spinning only, so I don't need any ink in them. But are they still pens? Ofcourse they are, I'm fricking penspinning, which means I'm spinning a pen. We have always spun pens without ink and called it penspinning, that's as much penspinning as spinning a pen with ink. Penspinning is so much more then just spinning a pen.

If you want to write with the same pen you spin with, then you would need ink (NO WAI?). But other then that, it's useless imo.

I don't even have ink in my MXes really, it so fucking useless...

yxTay

Date: Sun, Nov 18 2007 06:48:17

QUOTE (WhiteFang @ Nov 17 2007, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

was there thread about this before??

Since Nate in UPSB2: http://pentrix.com/upsb2/viewtopic.php?t=1282.

To aid those without a account, here's the exact quote:

QUOTE (Nate @ Feb 20 2004, 3:21 AM)

Hey guys, props to all of you who mod. But I'm going to adress something you all need to understand.

If it doesn't write, it's not a pen.

Penspinning is penspinning because it uses pens or pencils. You can spin and write with the same instrument. If you can't write with it, it's a stick. It might be a good stick for spinning, but it's still a stick.

Any pen I make, oil, metal tipped, flame, whatever else I'll do, it HAS to write. If it doesn't write, it's not a pen. I can't call it a pen-mod because it's not a pen anymore. It might have the plastic body of a pen, and it might look like a pen, but it's not a true pen mod.

Now, a practice tool doesn't have to write. You can modify a pen to not write, and that's fine and good. But it's not a pen any more.

So, make modifications all you like, but don't call it a pen-mod if it can't write.

Design your pens so they can still write, but make them good for spinning. THAT'S the challenge here.

Those oil pens, they are a pain in the backside to make look good, and still write with as well. For any pen, there's a challenge to making the pen tube the right length/size/whatever, and making the rest of the pen spinnable.

Pen Mod = Modification that writes

Anything Else = Stick

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Kam has this to say:

QUOTE (Kam @ Feb 21 2004, 4:18 AM)

Ok, so what defines a pen, and what defines a stick?

Looking up at Dictionary.com , here are the best definitions I found (there are a bunch of other meanings for the word 'pen').

"An instrument for writing or drawing with ink or similar fluid"
"An instrument for writing regarded as a means of expression"

So, in a sense,

1. A pen HAS to write, or it is not a pen.

Or does it? If you think about retractable pens, it can write or not, depending on what "mode" it is in. Let's say that it has a writing and a non-writing mode.

I would take the assumption that nobody here has a problem with the following:

2. A retractable pen is a pen regardless of whether it is in the writing mode or in the non-writing mode.

This means that statement 1 is false, if the example in statement 2 is true. But, if we take the opposite and say

3. A pen DOES NOT have to write in order to be a pen.

We also get in a problem, since clearly objects like a baton, drumstick, or a straw (closest size of a pen that I could think of) are clearly not a pen.

So, how about this statement:

4. A pen has to have the POTENTIAL for writing in order to be a pen.

This addresses the fact that rectratable pens are pens, and exclude sticks, umbrellas, batons, etc. from the definition. It also says that brand new pencils are pencils because they have the potential for writing.

But that's not a perfect definition, because as said before, eraser pens don't write. Highlighters are also not pens by this definition because they don't write, they highlight. In this case, a better definition would be

5. A pen has to have the potential for performing ITS function in order to be a pen.

So, by statement 5, everything from pens, eraser pens, pencils (new or not), are included, but so does batons, drumsticks, and everything else (because they all perform their function).

Ok, my last attempt.

6. A pen is an instrument that has the potential for performing writing related functions that is regarded as a means of expression.

So, pencils, rectractable pens, mechanical pencils with no lead, etc. are all considered "pens" in our sense, but drumsticks, batons, broomstick, etc. are not. A pen mod will only be considered a pen if it has the potential for writing. If it is somehow prevented from being able to write, then it should not be a pen (eg: you sealed your pen entirely for an oil & water mod, and you can't put the ink back).

Feel free to find any flaws in my argument.

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Now, discuss.

Tialys

Date: Mon, Nov 19 2007 21:36:43

I appreciate your fastidiousness with the periods after the quotes.

The problem with Kam's last statement is that it allows ink-dipped quills to be considered pens, which they obviously are not because they are feathers. One could also argue that broomsticks, batons, and drumsticks have the potential for writing if you stick them in paint.

In my opinion, a better definition is:

A pencil or pen is an instrument that is capable of writing with self-contained lead (pencil) or ink (pen) and without having to alter the instrument in any way, shape, or form, with the exception of unsharpened pencils.

raelz

Date: Mon, Nov 19 2007 21:43:00

What about pens that ran out of ink? Not a pen anymore?

yxTay

Date: Tue, Nov 20 2007 06:50:35

I suppose there isn't a need to be so strict on that. It can do as long as it can be refilled with full ink tubes. I doubt the purpose of this thread is to come out with a definition of what a pen is or is not, but rather whether the potential for writing be important for a pen spinning tool.

QUOTE (Tialys @ Nov 20 2007, 05:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I appreciate your fastidiousness with the periods after the quotes.

Ahaha. 'Twas hoping someone would notice.

sp3ctum

Date: Tue, Nov 20 2007 07:34:17

I'd say a spinning instrument counts as a pen if it's been made from a pen... mostly. It's hard to draw a clear line
But then again, nobody wants to hear from a hundred more 'sports' like toothbrush spinning or cellphone spinning, and such. It's basically pen spinning all over again.
But should pen spinning be called pen spinning? Anyone who spins pens that picks up a drumstick can do a lot of the tricks with that, as well. So why limit it just to pens, if the tricks and the idea are the same?

It's a question of equipment, the sport being a constant. If one were to think of it like that, why should somebody use a pen, which usually are light and 'not optimal' for spinning?

Just a few thoughts. Please take no offense.

Tialys

Date: Tue, Nov 20 2007 16:19:59

QUOTE (raelz @ Nov 19 2007, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What about pens that ran out of ink? Not a pen anymore?

"with self-contained lead/ink" = "when it has lead/ink inside it"

QUOTE

But should pen spinning be called pen spinning?

Yes, because the art was named after the instrument, not the other way around. If you spin a drumstick, it's drumstick spinning. Anyone who spins with some object X would call it "X spinning" or "spinning with an X", not pen spinning. It'd be like racing on bicycles and calling it 'car racing'.

cyber penguin

Date: Sun, Nov 25 2007 17:47:39

This is a topic in which I feel technicality is irrelevant. Simply for the fact a pen can, when modified (still a pen) take on just about any weight and form. Therefore an object with the same weight and form, but no functionality could be spun equally well by a trained pen spinner. While in one case a person is spinning with a pen and the other not, he is still "spinning". Thus my conclusion is that it comes down to the functionality of the object and the nature of the activity. If the person is a "pen spinner" but does not (at the time) spin a pen, then he/she is still "pen spinning" If the person has never spun a pen but spins equally well with a like object, this person is simply a "spinner". I don't know if you can understand my distinction and I'm sure that other views expressed hold more validity, but for me it comes down to intuition and the nature of the activity. Ask a person "spinning" if they are a "pen spinner" and you have your answer.

DespairFactor17

Date: Thu, Nov 29 2007 22:34:42

my opinion is that there is a difference between "spinning a pen" and "penspinning"

spinning a pen applies to spinning a writing utensil

penspinning is spinning some sort of object that can easily glide through the fingers, using "tricks"

like bonkura's ballsign

Fasthands12

Date: Wed, Dec 5 2007 17:10:29

IM quoting a friend who thinks pen spinning is a joke "if it cant write its a stick"

shoeman6

Date: Wed, Dec 5 2007 21:12:23

a pen is something you can write with.... if youc an't write with it then geez thats hard... ITS NOTTA PEN if you had a baton and drilled a whole in it and put a ink tube in it guess wut... its a PEN 0.o crazy huh...

WhiteFang

Date: Thu, Dec 6 2007 04:17:06

QUOTE (Fasthands12 @ Dec 6 2007, 04:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

IM quoting a friend who thinks pen spinning is a joke "if it cant write its a stick"

then that would mean practically everything is the world a stick.. computers, phone, etc

Xenophobe

Date: Fri, Dec 21 2007 06:28:30

My friend calls my mods that can't write spinning sticks.

Clam

Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 04:03:52

anything i ever spin with will need to write

except for TAs with water bottles, remotes, etc

ptz911

Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 19:05:25

IMO- If It Was A Writable Pen At One Time Or Another Then Its Considered A Pen

Mats

Date: Wed, Dec 26 2007 13:14:22

QUOTE (ptz911 @ Dec 24 2007, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

IMO- If It Was A Writable Pen At One Time Or Another Then Its Considered A Pen

Please Don't Place Capital Letters At The Start Of Every Word.

It's very annoying.

If I take a stick, hollow it out, and fill it with ink, is that stick now a pen?

QUOTE

A pencil or pen is an instrument that is capable of writing with self-contained lead (pencil) or ink (pen) and without having to alter the instrument in any way, shape, or form, with the exception of unsharpened pencils

If I inject my finger with ink, then cut next to where the ink is, I can write with my finger. Would that make me a pen? An ink cartridge is also a pen by this definition.

CrimsonV

Date: Thu, Aug 7 2008 18:23:48

Personally, i feel that a pen (modded or not) is not a mod unless it is able to write. I think that all pens used by spinners should be able to write or at the very least contain some sort of ink or lead (with the exception of Mech Pencil mods). I'm not saying that "pens" like the Ball Sign mod are useless, i feel that they are extremely useful mods to use for training purposes, i simply believe that these mods should not be allowed to be used in tournaments and such because they are not pens. Though these arguments can also be used against pencils, they at least are able to use written with with sharpened so are, in a sense, like capped pens.

Gelly Roll

Date: Fri, Aug 8 2008 17:10:45

Well would it be pencil spinning if it writes in mp?

dalj

Date: Sat, Aug 9 2008 17:24:49

i believe it has to be able to write for it to be called a pen

En-Nova

Date: Sun, Mar 8 2009 18:16:30

But hey, I'm with 8-ball. If a "Pen" writes in ink, would an MP mod still be pen-spinning if it uses graphite? Contemplate now.

HKspinner

Date: Wed, Mar 11 2009 11:04:37

If you have a stick, drill a hole and put a lead. Wala! A pencil!

PSArcher

Date: Wed, Mar 11 2009 14:24:34

I think you can consider them as a pen only if you modify it. As in the case of Ballsign...

G.lanz

Date: Wed, Mar 11 2009 21:16:45

My definition of a pen:

"A tool or instrument who's primary purpose is to write with ink, or a similar substance."

This definition excludes your finger, a broom etc. because it's primary purpose is not to write, but to grasp / sweep.

In my book, a modification that does not write is not a pen. Sure, It's a tool for practicing pen spinning, but pen spinning ultimately comes down to doing tricks with a pen.

IAmTheMrGuy

Date: Wed, Mar 11 2009 21:39:17

QUOTE (PSArcher @ Mar 11 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I think you can consider them as a pen only if you modify it. As in the case of Ballsign...

my ballsign writes

I think that although some mods can't write, they are still classified as "spinning pens" not as a regular pen, I try to make all of my mods write.

Pandubear

Date: Wed, Mar 11 2009 23:04:07

I think it's only a pen if it can or could write in ink, but it doesn't really matter what exactly a pen is, because you can do just as epic stuff with non-pens.

Fun fact: I tried to spin a chopstick once. It was too light, thin, and rectangular.

En-Nova

Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 02:28:44

QUOTE (Pandubear @ Mar 11 2009, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I think it's only a pen if it can or could write in ink, but it doesn't really matter what exactly a pen is, because you can do just as epic stuff with non-pens.

Fun fact: I tried to spin a chopstick once. It was too light, thin, and rectangular.

I spun a piece of balsa wood that was about 1 1/2 feet long.

I failed.

Miserably. >_>

Pandubear

Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 03:10:56

Haha.

I tried to spin a piece of beef jerky or something like that today.

I could do a Thumbaround easily enough, but anything else...

G.lanz

Date: Thu, Mar 19 2009 21:49:33

I spun a 7 inch metal spring made out of low-carbon sheet. I could sonics and TAs, but it was heavy as a buster CYL

Kari

Date: Fri, Mar 20 2009 14:51:39

Can't do any better than finding a stick and modding it.

Heva

Date: Fri, Mar 20 2009 16:38:29

My buster stills "writes"...on those kind of Magazines papers as like its metal stain on the paper...

Kari

Date: Fri, Mar 20 2009 17:52:47

I don't spin writable pens. I just don't like to.

Dark Angel-REX

Date: Fri, Mar 20 2009 18:06:13

QUOTE (WhiteFang @ Nov 17 2007, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

should pens that you can't write with considered a pen? definition of a pen is "any of various instruments for writing or drawing with ink or a similar substance." (from dictionary.com)

if someone spin a pen that you can't write with.. would that be pen spinning?? or not?

Well TBH, I don't really care if it could be considered a pen or not.

I consider them pens because they look like one. You know those toys in Toys-R-Us with pens that have some sort of secret in it so that Magic Tricks can be done. Kids still call them pens. I consider spinning those pen spinning.

If you don't consider these un-writable pen mods then you might as well as just call your spinning "stick spinning". I say anyone who considers un-writable pens as not pen and spin them should call their spinning stick spinning. But since I consider these un-writable pens as pen, I call my spinning "Pen Spinning".

I mean when you spin pencils, do you think people would call it "pencil spinning" instead of "pen spinning"? Do you think people would add those unnecessary "cil" when you can call it much more shorter?

I don't know. Pen SPinning is for fun. I do it for hobby. So as long as it's inside me as "fun" and "hobby", I can call pen spinning anyway I want.

IAmTheMrGuy

Date: Fri, Mar 20 2009 20:31:38

QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Mar 20 2009, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I mean when you spin pencils, do you think people would call it "pencil spinning" instead of "pen spinning"? Do you think people would add those unnecessary "cil" when you can call it more shorter?

actually, a lot of my friends call it pencil spinning instead of pen spinning XD

microman_32245

Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 21:57:22

i would say a pen is just a object with an ink tube in it. end of story.

im sure you can make almost all mods writable, if it cant write then it really isnt a pen imo, because it cant write.

Joebob

Date: Fri, Apr 3 2009 01:57:03

QUOTE (WhiteFang @ Nov 16 2007, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

should pens that you can't write with considered a pen? definition of a pen is "any of various instruments for writing or drawing with ink or a similar substance." (from dictionary.com)

if someone spin a pen that you can't write with.. would that be pen spinning?? or not?

It would still be pen spinning... people who spin pencils are called pen spinners, besides, a pen without an ink tube is still a pen. For instance, a pickle jar without any pickles is still a pickle jar, it's just an empty pickle jar

Lightmare

Date: Sun, Apr 5 2009 19:35:59

A pen's primary purpose is writing. A modded pen's primary purpose however, is mostly not writing, it's spinning. So IMO you spin a pen (wich has to write) or a modded pen (wich has to be made from at least one part of a pen, else it is not a modded PEN , it does not have to write however, since it's primary purpose is spinning)

Just my opinion.

teotoko

Date: Sun, Apr 5 2009 19:41:37

i would say even without ink, it is made of pens, so yes, it is a pen. if it is made without pens (such as tpl's k'nex "mod") is not a pen.

Chobi

Date: Mon, Apr 6 2009 07:19:24

Even if it doesn't write, pen mods are still made out of pens, hence the term pen mod. So IMO it's still considered a pen.

Dark Angel-REX

Date: Mon, Apr 6 2009 12:56:11

Chobi has a good point, and i agree

iMatt

Date: Mon, Apr 6 2009 13:44:34

This is the kind of thing which goes back to:

Just because you put an inktube in it does it become a pen?

The reason we mod pens in the first place is to make them spinnable, and in the process if the inktube cannot be used or fitted properly without the risk of spilling or breaking then we simply dispose of the inktube. Just about any pen right now can be fitted to accompany some sort of writing mechanism, but the question is there is how much are you willing to compromise ideal spinability for the sake of having it write.

as a side note, I generally always find myself switching over to my modded pens without ink over any retractables or mp's mods i may have.

BobbyCarrot

Date: Mon, Jun 22 2009 13:34:33

i don't think its a pen. Spinning, even making a pen mod is like an art to me, if it didn't write it would kill me inside.

microman_32245

Date: Mon, Jun 22 2009 15:31:41

QUOTE (Joebob @ Apr 2 2009, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It would still be pen spinning... people who spin pencils are called pen spinners, besides, a pen without an ink tube is still a pen. For instance, a pickle jar without any pickles is still a pickle jar, it's just an empty pickle jar

i like what joebob said.
what i think is, if it has the ability to write then it is a pen. i try to put an inktube in every pen mod, unless it makes the spinnability horrible. i even put inktubes in my r stic

Ktk

Date: Mon, Jun 22 2009 18:44:42

So if a normal pen runs out of ink, it's not a pen anymore?

IMO same principle goes for modded pens.

balsafresh

Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 23:44:53

QUOTE (Ktk @ Jun 22 2009, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So if a normal pen runs out of ink, it's not a pen anymore?

IMO same principle goes for modded pens.

The purpose of a pen, regardless of whether it works anymore, is to write. The same is not true of a modded pen. Therefore, not a pen.

strat1227

Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 23:56:22

Yeah, if you want to go by dictionary.com's definition, the key phrase is "FOR WRITING", so if you say it doesn't have ink then it's not a pen, you must also say if its main intent isn't 'for writing', then it isn't a pen.

Basically I try to go by laymen's ideas. If you can convince somebody on the street that it's a pen and not a miniature baton then I'm cool with it. For example, a bictory with ink tubes removed shouldn't count IMO, it's literally just a small baton, no tips, no ink, nothing that even resembles a pen.

Colin

Date: Fri, Dec 11 2009 00:47:55

Well..like teo said; its MADE of pens, and therefore IS a pen, just not a REGULAR pen.

I like to use EMPHASIS.

/unfunnyattempt

anyways, its still considered a pen because it uses pen parts, it just isnt a writable pen

k-ryder

Date: Fri, Dec 11 2009 01:25:02

well colin, if we go by your theory...
a cake is MADE by flour/eggs/etc. therefore it IS flour/eggs/etc, correct?
or a bike is MADE out of metal, therefore you ARE riding metal
just because its made of something, it doesn't mean we call it that
a bike is a bike, metal is metal

and probably came up many times in the thread, but pen=writable, what ever we spin that doesnt have inktubes in it=pen MOD
its a product made of pens, just a like bike/cake/etc.

ION

Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 00:56:06

QUOTE (k-ryder @ Dec 10 2009, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

well colin, if we go by your theory...
a cake is MADE by flour/eggs/etc. therefore it IS flour/eggs/etc, correct?
or a bike is MADE out of metal, therefore you ARE riding metal
just because its made of something, it doesn't mean we call it that
a bike is a bike, metal is metal

and probably came up many times in the thread, but pen=writable, what ever we spin that doesnt have inktubes in it=pen MOD
its a product made of pens, just a like bike/cake/etc.

No no no no no no.

Your examples take an ingredient, combine it with other ingredients and do some other process's to transform it into something COMPLETELY different.

Colin is saying, Pen + Pen = Pen. And you could also say Cake + Cake = Cake. like a chocolate cake + angel food cake is still a cake, a modified cake but still cake.

strat1227

Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 02:34:51

QUOTE (ION @ Dec 11 2009, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No no no no no no.

Your examples take an ingredient, combine it with other ingredients and do some other process's to transform it into something COMPLETELY different.

Colin is saying, Pen + Pen = Pen. And you could also say Cake + Cake = Cake. like a chocolate cake + angel food cake is still a cake, a modified cake but still cake.

Well but more accurately it'd be if you use a shitload of different cakes and made a bed or something out of them, you're taking lots of the same thing (lots of different pens), and making something for a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT USE (spinning mod). Just putting two cakes together makes it still cake because you still plan on eating it, but that's not what's happening here.

That being said, I spin pens without ink all the time, I just don't fool myself, it's not the same thing.

Mats

Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 12:57:21

I asked my magic 8 ball about this question... It said "Concentrate and ask again."

So I did...

Then it said "My sources say no."

NitriX

Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 15:11:44

QUOTE (ION @ Dec 11 2009, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No no no no no no.

Your examples take an ingredient, combine it with other ingredients and do some other process's to transform it into something COMPLETELY different.

Colin is saying, Pen + Pen = Pen. And you could also say Cake + Cake = Cake. like a chocolate cake + angel food cake is still a cake, a modified cake but still cake.

yum i want a modded cake

shakenbake

Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 22:47:06

id say if it cant write or is not desinged to write (no inktube) it is not a pen although the parts are all pens not pencils it still doesnt write which defeats the purpose of a pen.

k-ryder

Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 04:55:05

QUOTE (strat1227 @ Dec 12 2009, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well but more accurately it'd be if you use a shitload of different cakes and made a bed or something out of them

tut plox XD

strat1227

Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 05:14:20

shakenbake

Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 09:39:47

haha wow that guy has skills.

but this has nothing to do with the topic

Poseidon

Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 20:46:10

If you take the back cap of a pen than it would be a PEN backcap So if you take a bunch of different thins from pens you would have a big collaboration of crap made from pens.
So basically pen part a+ pen part b= Pen mixture C

M0nst4r

Date: Wed, Dec 23 2009 22:06:36

Well, if you mod with a pen, isn't it still going to be a pen? How could it be a baton, or a stick? We're just changing a pen, therefore it's still a pen.
Is a baton made out of plastic, or a pen? No. Is a pen mod made out of plastic, or inktubes? Yes. If there is no ink, it probably is still a pen because you didn't use anything but pens to mod it.

Ktk

Date: Wed, Dec 23 2009 23:10:28

Say you have a GJH.

Is it a pencil still? It has all of the mechanics of a mechanical pencil, but it's balanced and extended for the purposes of spinning. Must this be a "pencil mod"?

[I don't make nonwritable pens so sue me.
besides, you can make a nonwritable pen writable pretty easily most of the time]

spinneraddiction

Date: Thu, Dec 24 2009 04:39:25

well a pen mod is still a pen because it was a pen orginally and then was turned into a mod with other pen parts soo

spinneraddiction

Date: Thu, Dec 24 2009 04:39:25

well a pen mod is still a pen because it was a pen orginally and then was turned into a mod with other pen parts soo

King Kommander X

Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 16:39:03

the hell is the point of a PEN if it doesn't write? perhaps it is a SPINNING only pen?

tic

Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 17:05:24

QUOTE (strat1227 @ Dec 12 2009, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Spoiler:

huh what is he doing?

darkrose

Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 20:07:50

injecting inching powder?

Anderfreeb

Date: Fri, Mar 26 2010 00:56:49

A pen that doesn't write is stupid, I think we're all in agreement about that (lol), but then again if a spinner would never write with a mod anyway why should they make it so their mods write. Putting an inktube in purely perfunctorily is also stupid. The solution: write with ur frakking pens.

exclusive

Date: Fri, Mar 26 2010 04:35:14

lol the old mans fingernail is bleeding

idk

Date: Tue, Mar 30 2010 06:28:02

it's not a pen its a pen "mod"

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