UPSB v3
Fundamental Tricks / Sonic Normal thread
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Date: Sun, Jul 1 2007 00:32:19
Use this thread to discuss the Sonic (note, Sonic Reverse has a different thread. I didn't feel that the harmonic needed a thread, but feel free to make one if needed).
Brief Description: The pen is held in a slot (if un-noted it is assumed to be 23) and a conical "charge" rotation is used to make the pen jump up to the above slot (by default 12). The charge motion may be generated with or without the use of the thumbflap. Newer PSers usually use the flap, but it is very hard to link in combo's like this and therefore they quickly begin to just initiate it with a charge motion (Note for more info please see the Charge thread). After the push the middle finger (in sonic 23-12) is bent down so as to allow the pen to rotate up to 12, and then unbent for the catch in 12.
Links:
UCPSB V2 Thread
Video Tutorial by Eso
UPSB V3 Article
Turtle Spin Article -
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 15:39:33
Hello all
Started learning the sonic about 6 days ago and would like some critique on my technique.
My main concern is that although I'm succesful in getting the pen to jump from 23 to 12, my finger positions isn't really what I've seen in the tutorial vids from Eso and the others. Specifically, although 2 is bent, 1 and 3 are not adopting the position of 'nearly touching/touching' that the authors of the vids seem to have perfected.
Do any experienced pen spinners know whether this is a matter of personal preference, or whether that truly is the most effective technique that will have repercussions on learning more advanced tricks?
I've attached a link to a youtube video in which I do the Sonic Normal with both the pressure method as well as thumbless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE3E1_Do0DE
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Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 16:35:22
As far as Sonic goes, having your fingers that far apart makes for a more choppy-looking Sonic. As for any other tricks, the Sonic Clip hybrid will be impossible to do with your fingers apart. Once you start learning Sonic Clip, your fingers will have to be together, then your Sonic will improve as your fingers will be able to be closer together for that trick.
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Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 17:35:06QUOTE (Xethrion @ Oct 21 2007, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hello all
Started learning the sonic about 6 days ago and would like some critique on my technique.
My main concern is that although I'm succesful in getting the pen to jump from 23 to 12, my finger positions isn't really what I've seen in the tutorial vids from Eso and the others. Specifically, although 2 is bent, 1 and 3 are not adopting the position of 'nearly touching/touching' that the authors of the vids seem to have perfected.
Do any experienced pen spinners know whether this is a matter of personal preference, or whether that truly is the most effective technique that will have repercussions on learning more advanced tricks?
I've attached a link to a youtube video in which I do the Sonic Normal with both the pressure method as well as thumbless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE3E1_Do0DE
Thank you to everyone who replies
If your fingers are more together then you have a Sonic that looks more circular and has one speed only..and I was about to say the thing with Sonic Clip but sketching got it first...If your fingers are nearer you have a higher success rate and more control...
example: try doing Sonic Normal with your hand pointing down without putting your fingers together...it's harder...try doing it with fingers together...it's easier...just like that -
Date: Sun, Oct 21 2007 20:34:53
@Xethrion: Dont practice using your thumbflap for sonic if you can do it without.
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Date: Mon, Oct 22 2007 07:23:34QUOTE (K4S @ Oct 22 2007, 04:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@Xethrion: Dont practice using your thumbflap for sonic if you can do it without.
I know mate, that was how I learnt it first. Gonna ditch it for the thumbless sonic, since I've already mastered the Charge
Thanks to all who have replied! Now gonna work on getting 1 and 3 closer together when I perform the sonic. I find using a heavier pen (just made the MonAmi Jp mod) helps me not cheat, since it's less forgiving of your fingers being apart. -
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 15:35:25
i have a slitght problem with my sonic, how much pressure are u supposed to use on the thumb flap before realeasing? and the pencil keepss on hitting my nuckles and messes it up. can anybody help me with this?
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Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 18:04:18
When using the thumb for pressure, the amount does not matter. What's more important is finding the correct finger position to allow the pen to bounce around the fingers in the correct way:
Side view - left hand...
Top view - left hand...
With the correct finger position, the pen will go where it needs to go all by itself, you only have to provide enough of a push to get it there. -
Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 23:51:21
I keep ending up with the Neo Sonic =/. Anyone know what im doing wrong? xD.
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Date: Mon, Nov 12 2007 00:11:40
Most likely, the Index finger is too far out and the pen is not bouncing off of it. The index finger should be right above the ring finger, if not slightly inward.
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Date: Mon, Nov 12 2007 00:20:27QUOTE (sketching @ Nov 11 2007, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Most likely, the Index finger is too far out and the pen is not bouncing off of it. The index finger should be right above the ring finger, if not slightly inward.
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Date: Mon, Nov 12 2007 01:35:08QUOTE (sketching @ Nov 11 2007, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Top view - left hand...
~dont quote pictures~
Mavolence, look at this picture of the top view and observe that the index finger is over the pen. The index finger should cross over the pen when you view from the top. This way, the finger will intercept the 'around' movement of the pen in NeoSonic and result in a Sonic instead. The pen will bump on the surface of the index finger. This should cause the pen to slide against the finger and into a conic spin of the Sonic.
At the beginning, try to keep your hand static after releasing your thumb flap to understand the movement of the pen during the trick. -
Date: Mon, Nov 12 2007 02:44:14QUOTE (yxTay @ Nov 11 2007, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Mavolence, look at this picture of the top view and observe that the index finger is over the pen. The index finger should cross over the pen when you view from the top. This way, the finger will intercept the 'around' movement of the pen in NeoSonic and result in a Sonic instead. The pen will bump on the surface of the index finger. This should cause the pen to slide against the finger and into a conic spin of the Sonic.
At the beginning, try to keep your hand static after releasing your thumb flap to understand the movement of the pen during the trick.
Mm thanks. Thats helps =].
Wow thanks yxTay im getting a lot of spins now. -
Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 20:47:19
okay i've been penspinning for a while and the second trick i learned was the sonic. however whenever i do it it hits my fingers and makes a "clicking sound"
it isn't a retractable pen
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Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 21:01:35
There was already a Sonic thread. Do not make new threads for the same topic. Duplicate thread merged.
If the pen is making a clicking sound, the pen's motion throughout the Sonic is not very smooth. The ink tube is bouncing off of the inside of the pen barrel. -
Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 21:27:02QUOTE (DespairFactor17 @ Nov 17 2007, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>okay i've been penspinning for a while and the second trick i learned was the sonic. however whenever i do it it hits my fingers and makes a "clicking sound"
it isn't a retractable pen
is this normal?
Thats the sound if the pen hitting your knuckles most likely -
Date: Sun, Nov 25 2007 23:47:35
My problem seems to be the fact that once the pen is loosed from the pocket, I can't control it enough to bring it around on top of middle finger the way it's supposed to be. I always end up with the outside part coming in or the pen just flying away. I have even tried going slow and trying to help the pen with my other hand just so I know how it should feel. Then i try to duplicate it, but I haven't had much success. If i can i'll try and get some pictures or a vid up so you can see what obviously i can't explain to well.
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Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 00:16:10QUOTE (zaflin @ Nov 25 2007, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>My problem seems to be the fact that once the pen is loosed from the pocket, I can't control it enough to bring it around on top of middle finger the way it's supposed to be. I always end up with the outside part coming in or the pen just flying away. I have even tried going slow and trying to help the pen with my other hand just so I know how it should feel. Then i try to duplicate it, but I haven't had much success. If i can i'll try and get some pictures or a vid up so you can see what obviously i can't explain to well.
Any tips on getting the pen over middle finger would be much appreciated.
I think ur problem might be speed. Try holding the pen tighter before u let go which should create more speed. Hope this helps. what type of pen are you using? -
Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 01:13:56
@zaflin: I'm going to need some clarifications first...
1. What pocket are you talking about? Do you mean from the Thumbflap, between the thumb and index finger?
2. When you say that the outside part is coming in? Are you talking about the front of the pen, the end that is farthest from the wrist? When you say that it is going inside, do you mean the inside of the index finger?
3. When the pen goes flying away, in what direction is it going? Is it flying to the left or right of the hand (I'm assuming that you are right-handed)?
4. The does not go over the middle finger, if you mean like a NeoSonic, the pen just passes over the outside of the middle finger as it hits the index finger and bounces off of that finger.
BTW, don't worry about questions about what pen you are using, it doesn't matter for Sonic, just use whatever you are comfortable with at this time. -
Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 04:12:36
Thank you all so much. I appreciate your suggestions. They were very helpful. I have actually figured out what i was doing wrong and have corrected those mistakes. I now pull the trick off perfectly 9 out of 10 times.
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Date: Tue, Nov 27 2007 04:15:31
How about telling us what you were doing wrong and how you corrected it?
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Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 00:07:54
hey any tips on doing the sonic in the pinky and the ring ringer (4 5)????
my pen like goes flying towards my index finger or just gets stuck between my fingers!! -
Date: Fri, Nov 30 2007 07:29:23
It's good if you can do a sonic 23-12 without the use of the thumb before learning it in 34-23. Once you learn it without the thumb, you will understand how sonic works a lot better, and it should be easier to do it in 34.
Otherwise, you could just ignore that and keep trying the things you did to learn sonic 23-12 (assuming that you have learnt it. -
Date: Tue, Dec 4 2007 20:42:41
Hello,
I have been trying to learn the sonic lately and it does indeed travel from 23 to 12. I use the thumb-flap method. The problem is, is that I don't seem to be getting the full rotation, so to speak.
After I release it from the thumbflap, it makes the minimum possible rotation before jumping to the 12, and I can't think of anything to try to make this not the case. I have looked at many tutorials, and nobody seems to address this. It gets there, and it isn't even choppy, it just isn't at all pretty to look at it because the rotation is very asymmetrical. Any input would be appreciated. -
Date: Tue, Dec 4 2007 20:53:41
that happens when I do it with my left hand... not sure how to fix it though.. movingthe middle finger further in for more space mayb... or just practising it more... you might be applying to much downward pressure with your first finger to quickly for the catch......
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Date: Thu, Dec 13 2007 18:47:10
While Ive been learning the sonic Ive encountered a problem when I end the trick. My middle finger doesnt move back up fast enough to move into position of a good catch. This stops any way to link to other tricks easily. Is there anyway to improve upon this?
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Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 18:07:30
hi everybody.This is my first post.My English isn't so good.Is there a tutorial video (include text) ?
For example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6uayNXRIiA
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Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 20:10:01
Go read the first post of the thread.
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Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 21:54:45QUOTE (CiZiK @ Dec 16 2007, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hi everybody.This is my first post.My English isn't so good.Is there a tutorial video (include text) ?
For example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6uayNXRIiA
Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS5f6AA8hS4 -
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 18:50:58
No no.You don't understand me.I know there are a lot of video about sonic.But I want a video with (or include
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Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 19:27:56
subtitle in turkish???
I don't think there are any... -
Date: Mon, Dec 17 2007 19:37:57QUOTE (Zombo @ Dec 17 2007, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>subtitle in turkish???
I don't think there are any...
not turkish.English.I can't speak but i can read
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Date: Tue, Dec 18 2007 14:41:30
Hey. OK, so im a juggler, but im new to penspinning, so any tips on how i can learn the sonic?
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Date: Tue, Dec 18 2007 14:52:52
@cizik
read the wiki, it has a written tutorial.
@balloonman
just go to the video link posted above... -
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 15:06:31
im having a very weird problem with my sonic. it seems that i have to kind of throw thepen with my hsnd, otherwise it ends up a charge, or my 1 and 3 fingers end up really awkward. but it seems that im kinda spinning the pen itself with my 2 finger to get it up. normal, weird, or otherwise?
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Date: Mon, Dec 24 2007 03:29:31
I am trying to do sonic as vid and tutorials shows but the pen instead of spinning is shooting from my fingers.
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Date: Thu, Dec 27 2007 16:19:46
At what point does the pen fly away? Does the pen ever bounce off of the index finger?
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Date: Sun, Dec 30 2007 02:52:58QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 27 2007, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>At what point does the pen fly away? Does the pen ever bounce off of the index finger?
it does it when I am trying to connect index finger with third one -
Date: Wed, Jan 2 2008 03:08:43
I am not very sure about my Sonic. Here is how i do it:
I start the trick with my pen in between my ring and middle finger. I hold the pen at about its center of gravity.
I perform the motion for the trick. The pen does a half rotation in between my ring and middle fingers. My middle finger goes down and then my ring and index finger catch/hold the pen above my middle finger while the pen spins in place while my ring and index fingers hold it there. My ring and index finger do not touch the pen at their ends but in the middle of the last section of the 2 fingers.( By this they hold the pen above the last "lines" on my fingers) After it is done rotating, it stops at the same position I began the trick at except it is now in between my middle and index finger.
Does this sound like how it should look like? I found a video on youtube where a guy is doing a sonic normal. I think that the way he does it looks most like the way I do it.
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Date: Wed, Jan 2 2008 03:31:07
i dont' completely understand what you mean, but if it starts and ends at the same position (so tip out if you started tip out) but just in a different slot, then that sounds just about right
although eventually, it should go closer to teh tips of your fingers since the closer it is to the tips the better, cause that way you get more a bigger rotation
but for now, what you explained as your sonic sounds right
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Date: Sat, Feb 2 2008 04:29:54
Hi, I know a guy from Korea, and he taught me this trick today. It kinda resembles a Sonic, I was thinking, but I'm not sure. Is it part of a trick or not a trick at all? Here's the link.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IpTwceNwIl4
And all I know is that thing, Charge, and Thumbaround. So don't expect to see any 1337 skillz.
And yes, there is a dinosaur sticker on my desk. -
Date: Sat, Feb 2 2008 04:56:29
this is a twisted sonic.
next time use the thread called "What am i doing" in the advanced trick section.
you can find more information abotu this trick (-- technically it is a combo/hybrid) on the UPSB wiki. -
Date: Sat, Feb 2 2008 05:32:06QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 2 2008, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>this is a twisted sonic.
next time use the thread called "What am i doing" in the advanced trick section.
you can find more information abotu this trick (-- technically it is a combo/hybrid) on the UPSB wiki.
Okay, thanks, sorry. Didn't know what trick it was, so I thought it went here, my bad!
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Date: Fri, Feb 8 2008 22:50:54
Yes I just got the sonic a few days ago, took me forever. It is allways like that with tricks you think about how hard it is but once you get it you realize how easy it is to do it.
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Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 12:58:53
if you guys can take a look at me heres a vid of me doing the sonic normal and reverse i did not know you use the thumb flap to do it so i use momentum instead
Me doing Sonic normal and Reverse -
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 21:36:24
i did my first realy good sonic today. normaly they're all ugly looking and uneven. today i've done a couple in a row that looked realy nice. i'm so happy ^^
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Date: Thu, Feb 28 2008 06:07:19QUOTE (4dP @ Feb 25 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if you guys can take a look at me heres a vid of me doing the sonic normal and reverse i did not know you use the thumb flap to do it so i use momentum instead
Me doing Sonic normal and Reverse
i dont see there anything ... just some hand and pen...you should buy better cam.... -
Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 06:47:45
hmmm.. does the weight of the pen affect the sonic?
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Date: Sun, Mar 2 2008 08:57:47
It depends on what your used and to and find comfortable.
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Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:29:07
Hey everyone,
I can follow on a Sonic from 34 to 12 on my left hand pretty well, but I've seen people who can make it spin without pausing from 34 to 12.
I'd just like some advice on how to make it spin without pausing.
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Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 20:50:17
hey, when im doing the sonic, the index finger makes contact with the pen. i do this to get the pen to jump fingers (from 23 to 12). is this right?
with all the movies ive seen, it isnt conclusive whether they do this or not -
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 20:57:55
the pen is supposed to come in contact with the index finger, but by the way you're saying it it sounds like it's doing it wrong.
exactly how does in come in contact? -
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 21:39:48QUOTE (lvlarky @ Mar 17 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hey, when im doing the sonic, the index finger makes contact with the pen. i do this to get the pen to jump fingers (from 23 to 12). is this right?
with all the movies ive seen, it isnt conclusive whether they do this or not
Hey,
The way I do it, the index finger stays completely still and I just use my thumb to build up the tension, or just move my ring finger back.
My index is just used to catch the pen, but otherwise it's not use to initiate the spin.
But the way you're describing it sounds absolutely fine, as long at it works for you.
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Date: Tue, Mar 18 2008 00:16:27
thx for the opinions minimazza and teddytemptation,
heres a video of me using my index finger to complete the cycle:
http://rapidshare.com/files/100350467/Sonic.avi.html
sorry, the program im using to convert to swf keeps freezing up when i try to convert it
it doesnt look that nice... if u can do it without needin the index finger then u can do sonic 12 and have it land on top of ur index finger?
edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bQBRME72Vs
u should be able to make it out with the annoying ad at the front -
Date: Tue, Mar 18 2008 23:32:19
imo you shouldn't build up pressure with yor thumb you should just do the same thing but without the pressure it looks a lot smoother
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Date: Tue, Mar 18 2008 23:51:50QUOTE (cluu1 @ Mar 18 2008, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>imo you shouldn't build up pressure with yor thumb you should just do the same thing but without the pressure it looks a lot smoother
ya building pressure usually makes the pen fly out of your hand -
Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 00:30:38
thx guys, im actually learning to do it without the thumb flap.
the point was that my index finger makes contact with the pen to help with completing to cycle for the sonic. Thats how its meant to be done right? -
Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 18:52:27
for me, the 2 non-adjacent fingers usually make contact for a short time. I think it helps to do it that way instead of "jumping" it over because it makes it easier to do tricks like sonic clip.
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Date: Sat, Mar 22 2008 12:53:51
Hi everyone, i've beeen trying the sonic since 2-3 days and i just can't get it ! I watched eso's tut, other youtubers's tuts but i'm still making my pen jumping out of my hand. I'm trying to do it with the thumbflap pressure method.
Could someone post a picture or a fast vid of the motion in slow mo with multiple angles please? I would appreciate.
Thank you
Edit : Got it for the first time now.. I'l pratice -
Date: Sat, Mar 22 2008 17:42:59
dude, sonic is a very simple trick...the secret is to do the presure method and the only thing i can help you with is that you MUST join your index and ring finger in the back of midle finger...do the pressure holding the pen betwen the midle finger and the ring finger and when you let the pen go, join the index finger and the ring finger in the back and it just goes on its own...with practice you'll get there...^^
and you'll get it smooth in no time
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Date: Sat, Mar 22 2008 18:03:11QUOTE (pen_MAKer @ Mar 22 2008, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>dude, sonic is a very simple trick...the secret is to do the presure method and the only thing i can help you with is that you MUST join your index and ring finger in the back of midle finger...do the pressure holding the pen betwen the midle finger and the ring finger and when you let the pen go, join the index finger and the ring finger in the back and it just goes on its own...with practice you'll get there...^^
and you'll get it smooth in no time
Yeah i tryed it with lef hand (im right handed) and i got it first shot lol... I just need pratice now, it's weird how you ask yourself about the "motion" and everything and when you have it for the first time you are like " wtf, is that it? that simple ?
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Date: Sat, Mar 22 2008 21:24:52
I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong here.
I do the normal sonic (3 to 1 jumping over middle finger) just like all the tutorials and stuff. I now am doing it 4 to 2. But I don't stick my pinky and middle finger together and 'grab' it like I do with 3 and 1. I just push it up there with my pinky. Am I doing something wrong? -
Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 00:10:39QUOTE (BalticAvenue @ Mar 22 2008, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong here.
I do the normal sonic (3 to 1 jumping over middle finger) just like all the tutorials and stuff. I now am doing it 4 to 2. But I don't stick my pinky and middle finger together and 'grab' it like I do with 3 and 1. I just push it up there with my pinky. Am I doing something wrong?
Yes!! I have it 9 times out 10 !
I'm getting better hehe !
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Date: Mon, Mar 24 2008 11:27:53
see?not that hard is it?when ppl actually know where it goes and how the movement is they go like : WTF?that's so weird...i'm not gonna do that ever!
and actually the trick is very easy to spin^^
until you don't get it 100 out of 100 don't you talk to me
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Date: Tue, Mar 25 2008 05:20:18
sonic took a while to perfect, but once you get it it's easy. i just practised slow motion (spinning it through my right hand with my left) to see what i was doing wrong
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Date: Tue, Mar 25 2008 13:36:04
When I do sonic, it gets stuck between 3 and 2. It doesn't go all the way back to the thumbflap. Also, how low shoul the middle finger go down?
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Date: Tue, Mar 25 2008 18:22:01
The ironic thing is, I taught my friend how to do charge but instead he kept on doing sonic so what the heck, he knows how to do sonic now
I got sonic after i watched witeshadou's vid about it. the trick is knowing how it spin and how it lands. -
Date: Tue, Mar 25 2008 19:16:54QUOTE (Duckiee @ Mar 25 2008, 08:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When I do sonic, it gets stuck between 3 and 2. It doesn't go all the way back to the thumbflap. Also, how low shoul the middle finger go down?
Huh? What do you mean by "going all the way back to the thumbflap"? You bend the finger as much as you need to to move the pen over. Once you get better at sonic you won't have to move it as much, but try bending it a lot more for now. -
Date: Wed, Mar 26 2008 22:42:19QUOTE (someone09 @ Mar 25 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Huh? What do you mean by "going all the way back to the thumbflap"? You bend the finger as much as you need to to move the pen over. Once you get better at sonic you won't have to move it as much, but try bending it a lot more for now.
i think he means twhen you stop at 12-T
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Date: Thu, Mar 27 2008 05:38:06
here's a question - why is it called the sonic? i mean, it's a cool name, but the others are named after the fingers or movements
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Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 06:11:54
i think maybe cause its quick.
i did the same thing as jabss to learn it, by spinning it through my fingers with my other hand.
now i can pretty much do it every time. -
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 10:11:03
hey!! goodie! you're finally on the foru. and yes i think it's cos it's quick.
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Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 11:56:02
its sonic as in sonic the hedgehog :>
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Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 18:44:53
is there a sonic that starts off in 12 and ends with the pen in your thumb?
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Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 18:54:55
yeah, it's called neosonic and you can do it from other finger slots as well
it's in the wiki -
Date: Sat, Mar 29 2008 01:09:16
it's also worth learning the sonic without using the thumb, for the sonic rise and later combos and stuff...
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Date: Tue, Apr 1 2008 08:21:50
i've been doing the sonic for about a week now and i could use some pointers. could anyone tell me how i might improve my sonic?
http://youtube.com/user/tommy101010
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Date: Tue, Apr 1 2008 18:50:02
practice more w/out using the thumbflap
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Date: Wed, Apr 2 2008 01:00:41QUOTE (Learning2spin @ Apr 1 2008, 02:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i've been doing the sonic for about a week now and i could use some pointers. could anyone tell me how i might improve my sonic?
http://youtube.com/user/tommy101010
thanks a bunch for any constructive criticism or tips.
Try doing it without your thumbflap like the poster above me mentioned; it`ll help get your sonic a lot smoother and it`ll help you learn reverse sonic as well. Your sonic right now is a bit choppy; try slowing down a bit it`ll look better. Sonic takes 3 fingers; the finger in the middle bends down while the other two support the pen and transfer slots.
After you`ve learned sonic 23-12 without your thumbflap I`d recommend learning sonic 34-23. Try learning it without your thumbflap; if you can`t do it without then use your thumbflap for now. After learning it you should be able to do sonic rise after awhile with a bit of modification; that`ll help you get it much smoother. Learning sonic rise was easier for me than learning to sonic 34-23 without my thumbflap x_x. -
Date: Wed, Apr 2 2008 11:43:13
hey. Im having trouble doing the sonik 34-23 without my thumb, and i keep doing a double sonik instead. If anyone has any advice on how to do the sonic 34-23, id apreaciate to hear it. (i can do the the sonik 23-12 already without thumb) Thanks!
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Date: Wed, Apr 2 2008 19:07:32
try focusing on moving the middle finger back so it's harder for the pen to go into the wrong slot
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Date: Wed, Apr 2 2008 21:29:52
@someone09: keep the middle finger and index finger together as you do the Sonic 34 and keep the middle finger sticking out where the pen goes so that the pen will hit the middle finger. After getting it down, you should be able to then aim the pen towards just the middle finger and let the index do whatever it wants.
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Date: Tue, Apr 15 2008 23:14:10
Hey i have a question about sonic. my friend says that in order to be a real sonic, it has to make a circle when it jumps hands. I disagree. as long as the pen goes from fingers to fingers, its a sonic right? it doesnt matter how the transition looks. plz tell me if i am right.
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Date: Tue, Apr 15 2008 23:19:53QUOTE (B3ndythumbs @ Apr 15 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hey i have a question about sonic. my friend says that in order to be a real sonic, it has to make a circle when it jumps hands. I disagree. as long as the pen goes from fingers to fingers, its a sonic right? it doesnt matter how the transition looks. plz tell me if i am right.
not nesesarally i mean look at a finger pass it goes from finger to finger and its not called a sonic.... a sonic is where the pen getts pushed up between two other fuingers and lands above or below! i dont know if that helped? but i tried my hardeset! -
Date: Tue, Apr 15 2008 23:35:24
as long as it travels through the non-adjacent finger slot and makes one revolution it is probably a sonic
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Date: Wed, Apr 16 2008 05:04:48
a sonic traves in a side ways 'u' motion
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Date: Wed, Apr 16 2008 23:52:08QUOTE (Angel of death1 @ Apr 15 2008, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>not nesesarally i mean look at a finger pass it goes from finger to finger and its not called a sonic.... a sonic is where the pen getts pushed up between two other fuingers and lands above or below! i dont know if that helped? but i tried my hardeset!
angel u r wrong. a Pass is passed from 2 fingers...as in when the pen moves the pen is flipped a.k.a. if the tip of the pen was facing you, after one pass it should be facing away from you. in a sonic if u start with the tip of the pen towards you, i will always stay towards you.
someone and asian pen, thx for the help. i got me answer!
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Date: Sun, Apr 27 2008 23:10:37
How would you do the sonic without the thumb flap. I can do it with the flap but not without. Please help.
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Date: Sun, Apr 27 2008 23:17:32
Try doing a charge first to build up momentum.
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Date: Wed, May 28 2008 15:21:50
I learnt it by making a wrong charge 23...the pen went back and stopped between my index and thumb....only after I realized I did a sonic
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Date: Fri, Jun 6 2008 19:43:08
When I go to do my sonic it always tries to spin around 2 even though I have it down, which ends in it doing more of a half revolution, and my pencil hitting 1 or T when I want it to just kinda, slide to between 12 like Eso showed in his tutorial. d:
Suggestions anyone?
EDIT:
Never mind, I got it, I had to fix my finger positioning.
I bent 2 around the COG a little and that seemed to help.
Also, what helped me was I tried doing a Sonic 34-23 (ended up doing 34-12 XD) a couple times then moved back to a sonic 23-12 -
Date: Fri, Jun 6 2008 20:22:38
Try without pressure or apply less; it seems you're using too much force and it flies off. Sonic requires a lot less force than it looks like you're using.
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Date: Fri, Jun 6 2008 21:06:47
Another problem I'm having is that when I do it my pencil slides forward a lot, anyway to fix this besides practice?
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Date: Fri, Jun 6 2008 21:40:01
That's natural, you should eventually gain more control of where you're holding the pen through practice and time.
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Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 01:45:36
I absolutely cannot do a sonic without my thumb. I tried building up momentum with a charge, but I can't get the revolution motion, and the pen flies out of my hand. Is there:
a) Any trick to doing a thumbless sonic?
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Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 01:48:38QUOTE (falseparadox @ Jun 14 2008, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I absolutely cannot do a sonic without my thumb. I tried building up momentum with a charge, but I can't get the revolution motion, and the pen flies out of my hand. Is there:
a) Any trick to doing a thumbless sonic? Any pen especially good for a thumbless sonic?
c) Any hope for me?
keep doing the regular sonic a bunch, and try to do them quickly one after another. This will make you use less and less pressure because your going quicker. Oh, and good pens for trying this? something with good momentum on the ends -
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 03:31:41QUOTE (IAmTheMrGuy @ Jun 14 2008, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>keep doing the regular sonic a bunch, and try to do them quickly one after another. This will make you use less and less pressure because your going quicker. Oh, and good pens for trying this? something with good momentum on the ends
Thanks, man; that sounds like it would work. I'm tempted to use my MSXA, but its too long to get my fingers along the COG. Maybe I can uber-grip a Comssa. Or a bictory.
EDIT: Awesome, it works. I pulled off my first THUMBLESS SONIC!
Just need time to perfect it.
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Date: Mon, Jun 16 2008 04:11:26
I guess learning charge 23 would help in doing sonic thumbflapless
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Date: Mon, Jul 28 2008 21:30:00
I'm so confused about this sonic thing.
I just started penspinning yesterday. I watched some tutorials on doing this. Sometimes I just randomly do this really fast that I didn't even expect it. Sometimes the pen won't spinning at all, something it just flies off, sometimes it turns into a charge or fingerpass. I think my starting position isn't right and I'm not applying the force correctly? Could anyone provide a clear video or picture? -
Date: Tue, Jul 29 2008 03:36:15
http://www.upsb.info/wiki/index.php/Sonic
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Date: Wed, Jul 30 2008 04:21:05QUOTE (falseparadox @ Jun 14 2008, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I absolutely cannot do a sonic without my thumb. I tried building up momentum with a charge, but I can't get the revolution motion, and the pen flies out of my hand. Is there:
a) Any trick to doing a thumbless sonic? Any pen especially good for a thumbless sonic?
c) Any hope for me?
I was actually a 3 month spinner when I learned non-pressure sonic...
It took me very long. And I first did it with a tombow mod....the mod has a very thick barrel....and is not slippery and is veyr long.
I was just doing some charge 23s and I made it hit my index finger and it transferred over.. I tried it again and I failed...but the rest of that day I kept trying and within an hour I got it....just don't think about it too much...just sit on the floor and play with your pen.
If you need a video of it in slow motion of the exact movements it makes I can do it for you.
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Date: Wed, Aug 13 2008 02:46:10
everytime I do attempt to do the sonic, I end up doing a charge
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Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 10:53:43
It took me almost 2 week non-stop using sonic without any thumb support
(mostly at school until my teacher was very annoyed with the endless pen drop sound )
but then it really ~pays-off~ when you can do it smoothly^_^
well I had stopped practicing more tricks for a year when I can get the sonic harmonic smoothly(pretty lazy back then) -
Date: Wed, Aug 20 2008 22:01:14
I need help...
I thought that I had perfected the sonic long ago.
But recently when i started doing combos, I noticed that my pen often hits my knuckle and stops when I do a sonic.
This is frustrating like heck cuz I'm doing this combo nicely and all of a sudden, I mess up because my pen hit my middle knuckle during a SONIC!
So, has this happened to any of you before?
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Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 01:57:03
I'm trying to do sonic, but even watching esos vid and kams vid in slow motion, I dont exactly understand what is going on. Does anyone know of a very in dept explanation?
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Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 02:02:13QUOTE (HallucinoGent @ Aug 24 2008, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm trying to do sonic, but even watching esos vid and kams vid in slow motion, I dont exactly understand what is going on. Does anyone know of a very in dept explanation?
try this:
i learned sonic from this: http://www.wikihow.com/Spin-a-Pencil-Aroun...r-Middle-Finger -
Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 02:32:38
To put it simply, a Sonic is performed like a Charge, but very soon after beginning the rotation you bend in the middle finger (assuming you're doing sonic 23-12) enough so that the pen "slips" behind the middle finger and lands in the desired slot. I don't suggest using a lot of pressure - it's best to start the charge without using the thumbflap. I got my Sonic from beginning charges but bending in my middle finger right away until I could get it consistent.
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Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 03:18:41QUOTE (NaDa @ Aug 24 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>To put it simply, a Sonic is performed like a Charge, but very soon after beginning the rotation you bend in the middle finger (assuming you're doing sonic 23-12) enough so that the pen "slips" behind the middle finger and lands in the desired slot. I don't suggest using a lot of pressure - it's best to start the charge without using the thumbflap. I got my Sonic from beginning charges but bending in my middle finger right away until I could get it consistent.
Unfortunately, I don't know how to do a charge either...
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Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 13:46:36
Maybe learn that first
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Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 14:20:18QUOTE (Skittles @ Aug 20 2008, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I need help...
I thought that I had perfected the sonic long ago.
But recently when i started doing combos, I noticed that my pen often hits my knuckle and stops when I do a sonic.
This is frustrating like heck cuz I'm doing this combo nicely and all of a sudden, I mess up because my pen hit my middle knuckle during a SONIC!
So, has this happened to any of you before?
Any suggestions?
Can you describe further how the pen stops, as in hits the middle knuckle?
Not sure exactly what you are getting at.
But maybe you need to do the sonic more towards the fingertips
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Date: Mon, Aug 25 2008 18:11:37QUOTE (SuperRegular @ Aug 25 2008, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Can you describe further how the pen stops, as in hits the middle knuckle?
Not sure exactly what you are getting at.
But maybe you need to do the sonic more towards the fingertips
That might help I hope
ya do it towards fingertips
and try doing them ur palm facedown and faceup
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Date: Fri, Sep 12 2008 21:55:51
when i watch all the tut vids it seems like its a really bige cricle, i can do it but, the end of the pen make more of a side ways 'V'
< = pen movment
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Date: Fri, Sep 12 2008 22:06:13
It will look better with practice. At least it's not going straight back and forth.
p.s. you might want to change your name - "psubernub" won't be a good name once you get good -
Date: Fri, Sep 12 2008 22:56:45
yup... itll be more connecting and flowing, less jumping and chopping...
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Date: Sat, Sep 13 2008 01:20:14
off-topic: would i need to make a new profile? idrk anyway though, its just a name.
on-topic: yea i tried doing it a bit slower and I got a more circular shape, only problem is that the circle is perpendicular to my hand. -
Date: Sun, Sep 14 2008 01:52:33
PRACTICE! =]
AFter a week, if you still ahve trouble come back here, and there is a name change thread,
http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?showt...mp;#entry155497 -
Date: Sun, Sep 14 2008 22:18:13
to do sonic successfully, do i actually have to learn to do charge with 34 first?
because when i do it, my middle finger pushes the pen to the left and then it just runs to the right...
like zigzaggy.. not circular.. >__> -
Date: Sun, Sep 14 2008 22:34:45QUOTE (FurBelz~ @ Sep 15 2008, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>to do sonic successfully, do i actually have to learn to do charge with 34 first?
because when i do it, my middle finger pushes the pen to the left and then it just runs to the right...
like zigzaggy.. not circular.. >__>
No, you don't have to do the Charge or have to learn it to do a successful Sonic.
I don't really understand what you meant by "my middle finger pushes the pen to the left and then it just runs to the right...
like zigzaggy.. not circular.. >__>" But remember, practice, practice, practice.
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Date: Sun, Sep 14 2008 22:54:16
Nope= ] I reccomend learning the sonic first, because it has like the begining motion of the charge, and many times whilst trying to learn the sonic you will do a charge, and be like whoahhhh xD x]
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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 07:17:54QUOTE (Spidey @ Sep 15 2008, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No, you don't have to do the Charge or have to learn it to do a successful Sonic.
I don't really understand what you meant by "my middle finger pushes the pen to the left and then it just runs to the right...
like zigzaggy.. not circular.. >__>" But remember, practice, practice, practice.
Also, watch the tutorials again, it could help.
well... in the normal sonic, the pen should move in a circle way... but when i push it with my middle finger, it moves in a straight like and backwards.. get it? @@QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 15 2008, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Nope= ] I reccomend learning the sonic first, because it has like the begining motion of the charge, and many times whilst trying to learn the sonic you will do a charge, and be like whoahhhh xD x]
i actually know how to do charge, just not that good with 34.. -
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 12:18:14
Very much, dont, smack the pen back in forth, rather try to move it in a cricular direction? like a spiral, it jsut takes practice and hard work...
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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 12:28:50
This trick is easy to learn with the pressure method.
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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 20:29:20
Yes, but sometimes beggienrs aply more pressure than needed or it gets stuck;D
So learning it while doing a sonic where you HAVE to release elps iMHO -
Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 21:58:24
When I first learned the trick I didn't look closely at the vids/instructions and ended up practising the neosonic instead (I think, still not sure about what it is xD).
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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 22:23:54
hmm neo sonics a neat trick too ;D, personally Id rather watch a neosonic rise compared to asonic, but sonics a naice traveling trick, like if your to lazy to pick up a pen xD
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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 23:08:43QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 15 2008, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Very much, dont, smack the pen back in forth, rather try to move it in a cricular direction? like a spiral, it jsut takes practice and hard work...
should i tilt the pen in this way \ (yeh... weird xD)... so that the middle finger pushes the lower part making it easier to do the circular direction?QUOTE (riverboy @ Sep 15 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This trick is easy to learn with the pressure method.
what is the pressure method? =.=QUOTE (yani @ Sep 16 2008, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When I first learned the trick I didn't look closely at the vids/instructions and ended up practising the neosonic instead (I think, still not sure about what it is xD).
but ye, sonic is a nice trick
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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 23:33:02
its harder for me to do palm down than palm up, i can also do it sideways. Is that ok? as in will it be harder to do combos
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Date: Tue, Sep 16 2008 04:25:05
The pressure method is using your thumb flap to apply and build up pressure, I didnt get your slash... sorry... xD
@ psuber nub
Thats fine for now, of course palm down is harder because of gravity ;D after a couple more weeks it wont be as hard. -
Date: Tue, Sep 16 2008 12:07:38QUOTE (FurBelz~ @ Sep 16 2008, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>should i tilt the pen in this way \ (yeh... weird xD)... so that the middle finger pushes the lower part making it easier to do the circular direction?
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Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 14:00:34
learned sonic jus today...quite fun...although i cannot really control my middle finger well yet....i m jus a newbie...any advice when doing sonic?
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Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 15:57:08QUOTE (Heva @ Sep 17 2008, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>learned sonic jus today...quite fun...although i cannot really control my middle finger well yet....i m jus a newbie...any advice when doing sonic?
The part most people fail to understand is to do the exact finger motion as required. Bend in you middle finger and bring in the other two fingers really close. As you becom fluent, you will notice that your middle finger does not bend that much (you can control it) and your fingers dont really come close to each other. So for now i guess you should stick to the first method. You will gradually learn more tricks and this will become really fluent. Good Luck!
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Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 20:40:15
I think that this way is more helpful, instewad of what all those tutorials say, think of it as half a charge, and when the pen is like alligned straight wihth your fingers move you middle figner out of the way, so that the pen si kind of hop/clamped between your first and second fingers and then raise the middle figner again to finish the sonic = |
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Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 21:34:02
I never thought palm down charges were harder at first because of gravity... I found it was just the positioning felt awkward.
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Date: Thu, Sep 18 2008 03:30:51QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 18 2008, 06:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think that this way is more helpful, instewad of what all those tutorials say, think of it as half a charge, and when the pen is like alligned straight wihth your fingers move you middle figner out of the way, so that the pen si kind of hop/clamped between your first and second fingers and then raise the middle figner again to finish the sonic = |
if i do that, i end up doing a charge... HAHA xD -
Date: Thu, Sep 18 2008 04:34:28
Yah but practicing it that way will help with future tricks, new psners tend to do a sonic as a conic hop, whileit shud be connected to your figners throughout the whole spin, it adds to control and pathes the way for future hybrids =]
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Date: Thu, Sep 18 2008 12:25:03QUOTE (nada @ Sep 18 2008, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I never thought palm down charges were harder at first because of gravity... I found it was just the positioning felt awkward.
I learnt this trick in like 2 mins. i dont get it i just tried it once in physics class and i did it, bit dodgy but after that i just made it smooth. -
Date: Thu, Sep 18 2008 20:43:54
Well its harder fer some people...
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Date: Fri, Sep 19 2008 11:15:48
yay....today i was bored so try out sonic wif left hand....now i 70% can do le
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Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 00:57:23
ive been spinning since 06 (even though im a new member, just decided to join recently) and i dont get the concept of the sonic. if some one could make a tutorial for someone as slow as me, that would be great. or even just have a slow motion sonic on an infinite loop would be nice.
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Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 01:32:36
Search a video form youtube and jsut watch it over and over again..
Basiclly its the start of a charge, but then your middle figner goes downa nd the charge kind of spins inbetween your first and forth figner and finishes up in the first and second figner slot. -
Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 04:13:06
I have a problem with sonic 34. I can do the charge but the thing is that i can't get my pinky close enough to my middle finger and my pen just falls.
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Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 04:24:57
P:INKY EXERCISES!
Okay, this is what I did when learning sonic clip 1-3 which is pretty much the middle of the sonic.
take your index finger (3) and try to press it to the center of your palm while keeping all your oher figners straight out, if you can do this than good start=]
If you cant press down with your other ahnd unless it REALLY REALLY hurts...
Keep presseing periodicly over several days, your hand may get sore but after a while you will be able to.
the next step is pressing your fourth finger and middle figner together with your index finger down pres them as far together as you can, if you cant use the other hand and OVER stretch it so they cross a bit, if it hurts MAAZINGLY then stop, keep doing this,.
Practice bringing down your index figner (3rd figner) and pressing the other two fingers together over the gap after a while youll get it ;D -
Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 19:12:10
i still dont get exactly how it works.
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Date: Sun, Oct 5 2008 21:07:20
okay, so basiccly the pen, "pivots" arround your middle finger pinched between your first and index finger.... ?
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Date: Mon, Oct 6 2008 12:12:17QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Oct 1 2008, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>P:INKY EXERCISES!
Okay, this is what I did when learning sonic clip 1-3 which is pretty much the middle of the sonic.
take your index finger (3) and try to press it to the center of your palm while keeping all your oher figners straight out, if you can do this than good start=]
If you cant press down with your other ahnd unless it REALLY REALLY hurts...
Keep presseing periodicly over several days, your hand may get sore but after a while you will be able to.
the next step is pressing your fourth finger and middle figner together with your index finger down pres them as far together as you can, if you cant use the other hand and OVER stretch it so they cross a bit, if it hurts MAAZINGLY then stop, keep doing this,.
Practice bringing down your index figner (3rd figner) and pressing the other two fingers together over the gap after a while youll get it ;D
I don't get the 2nd and 3rd one. Isn't the index finger 1, middle finger 2, ring finger 3 and pinky 4?
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Date: Mon, Oct 27 2008 08:05:53
I fing the thumbflap method works better for me than the charge method...
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Date: Mon, Oct 27 2008 22:26:27QUOTE (Rai289 @ Oct 27 2008, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I fing the thumbflap method works better for me than the charge method...
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Date: Tue, Oct 28 2008 12:54:07
is it normal ,especially during the beginner stage, that doing a sonic 23-12 palm up:
the pen slides a little when it reaches the index? thx -
Date: Sat, Nov 1 2008 01:29:58
I just started learning this trick using the thumbflap. but when i do it i catch it with the thumbflap? wth? how do i catch it with the ring and middle?
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Date: Sat, Nov 1 2008 02:00:47QUOTE (bxjm @ Oct 31 2008, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I just started learning this trick using the thumbflap. but when i do it i catch it with the thumbflap? wth? how do i catch it with the ring and middle?
You don't catch it with your thumbflap. Assuming you start at ring(3) and middle(2), you should catch it with middle(2) and index(1)
To catch it with the ring(3) and middle(2), you need to start the sonic from your pinkie(4) and ring(3).
But you should do this after you can do the sonic from ring(3) and middle(2).
If you catch it with the thumbflap, you might be doing the neosonic which is a different trick from the sonic.
Here is neosonic wiki link: http://www.upsb.info/wiki/index.php/Neosonic
You can also look at videos and tutorials of tricks on youtube
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Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 05:13:50
I stilldon't get it
i don't have the finger dexterity to do it... so HELP? -
Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 05:22:49QUOTE (titan @ Nov 1 2008, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I stilldon't get it
i don't have the finger dexterity to do it... so HELP?
Sonic doesn't require finger dexterity at all. Sonic clip(which you will learn later) does.
Just build pressure and try to let the pen "jump" to the next slot.
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Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 22:07:27
he already did... frozenice... he gave up watching after half a minute...
his problem is he's too used to twisted sonic
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Date: Sun, Nov 2 2008 22:21:40QUOTE (hoiboy909 @ Nov 2 2008, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>or learn it palm down like a shadow
NO. Don't do that. It's a pain to learn it with your hand upright.
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Date: Mon, Nov 3 2008 00:55:26
i just practiced it without actually spinning...like doing it in slow motion.
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Date: Tue, Dec 2 2008 12:41:42
i have a lot of trouble with this one....it took me a lot of time learn this trick and it still doesnt look as good..it keeps hiting my knuckles, i cant do it from a charge.
any suggestions on how to improve this
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Date: Tue, Dec 2 2008 20:11:56QUOTE (nightkill @ Dec 2 2008, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i have a lot of trouble with this one....it took me a lot of time learn this trick and it still doesnt look as good..it keeps hiting my knuckles, i cant do it from a charge.
any suggestions on how to improve this
Try performing the trick more towards the end of your fingers. Also practicing always helps.
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Date: Wed, Dec 3 2008 01:19:27
If you're learning frrom the pressure method, don't put too much pressure or else the pen will either hit your knuckles or fly outta your hand.
It's best you know charge because the starting motion of the sonic is a charge, except that after the charge goes for 0.5 rev, you substitute your middle finger with your index finger, therefore making the pen go behind your middle finger, and completing the charge motion 1.0 rev, except you catch it between the middle and index. -
Date: Wed, Dec 3 2008 15:36:54QUOTE (Soulreaper @ Dec 3 2008, 07:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If you're learning frrom the pressure method, don't put too much pressure or else the pen will either hit your knuckles or fly outta your hand.
It's best you know charge because the starting motion of the sonic is a charge, except that after the charge goes for 0.5 rev, you substitute your middle finger with your index finger, therefore making the pen go behind your middle finger, and completing the charge motion 1.0 rev, except you catch it between the middle and index.
i actually learnt charge while attempting to do this so i was able to do charge before sonic..when i get the whole charge cycle going its very hard for me to bent the middle finger....i can do sonic from the intial push of the charge but not the charge and i mostly use the thumbflap method..im still working on improving it. -
Date: Wed, Dec 3 2008 15:56:35QUOTE (JSH @ Dec 3 2008, 02:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Try performing the trick more towards the end of your fingers. Also practicing always helps.
It might not seem smooth at first, but if you keep practicing, it will get better.
it worked i apllied as little preesure as possible and ithe quality of my sonic was better.....i also noticed something that i can only perform sonic if the pen is above my thumb when i start the charge motion like in thumbflap or touching index finger.is this normal? -
Date: Thu, Dec 4 2008 21:10:45QUOTE (nightkill @ Dec 3 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it worked i apllied as little preesure as possible and ithe quality of my sonic was better.....i also noticed something that i can only perform sonic if the pen is above my thumb when i start the charge motion like in thumbflap or touching index finger.is this normal?
Glad it helped
I think it is normal. You just start above the thumb to get some momentum so your sonic is smoother.
The very beginning of the sonic is like the first part of a charge.
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Date: Mon, Dec 8 2008 20:06:01
thanks for the move.
so... If you can see something, am I doing the Sonic right? -
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 15:07:05
why my pinky & middle finger won't able to make "the wall" for sonic , it's cannot touch each other..
helpp.. if this problem not sholve , i can't do a sonic 43-32 -
Date: Sat, Dec 13 2008 18:58:45QUOTE (babypotter- @ Dec 13 2008, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>why my pinky & middle finger won't able to make "the wall" for sonic , it's cannot touch each other..
helpp.. if this problem not sholve , i can't do a sonic 43-32
Learn the pressure method for the Sonic if you haven't already.
If you have learned it already, try bending down your ring finger and making your pinky and middle finger touch. Do this several times a day, and eventually, your pinky and middle will be flexible enough to touch each other. -
Date: Wed, Dec 17 2008 01:22:16QUOTE (Balloonman @ Dec 18 2007, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hey. OK, so im a juggler, but im new to penspinning, so any tips on how i can learn the sonic?
I started learning it by using my other hand to guide the pen, just so I could get the finger motions down. Hope that helps you! -
Date: Wed, Dec 31 2008 10:22:57
Here's my problem with Sonic, I really want to learn it, but this is getting in the way.
Whenever i try to do it, I have to force my fingers to touch and my middle finger to bend, so i really can't form "the wall".
The closest I can get to actually doing it is when i do a half charge, bend my middle finger slightly, and just bring my index close enough to just toss it over my middle and bounce off my index and catch with 12. Which isn't really appealing.
Mind you, I have chubby fingers, but they are somewhat long (middle finger is 10cm).
Anyone have any tips? Sorry for not searching >.<
Wasn't sure what to search and considering the many topics which would have probably popped up.
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Date: Wed, Dec 31 2008 11:12:27QUOTE (Asterisk* @ Dec 31 2008, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Here's my problem with Sonic, I really want to learn it, but this is getting in the way.
Whenever i try to do it, I have to force my fingers to touch and my middle finger to bend, so i really can't form "the wall".
The closest I can get to actually doing it is when i do a half charge, bend my middle finger slightly, and just bring my index close enough to just toss it over my middle and bounce off my index and catch with 12. Which isn't really appealing.
Mind you, I have chubby fingers, but they are somewhat long (middle finger is 10cm).
Anyone have any tips? Sorry for not searching >.<
Wasn't sure what to search and considering the many topics which would have probably popped up.
Thanks.
Hmm...how much do you need to force your hand? If you really feel tired or feel like some pain in your fingers after doing the Sonic for over 20 times, then your fingers are not flexible enough yet, and trying to do the Sonic will continue to hurt your fingers.
Suggestion: Try to flex your Index and Ring finger together, like an exercise everyday. Keep putting them together, and return to normal, put them together, return to normal...etc. In no time, you should be able to bring 1 and 3 together without much effort.
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Date: Wed, Dec 31 2008 12:47:15QUOTE (xavator18 @ Dec 31 2008, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hmm...how much do you need to force your hand? If you really feel tired or feel like some pain in your fingers after doing the Sonic for over 20 times, then your fingers are not flexible enough yet, and trying to do the Sonic will continue to hurt your fingers.
Suggestion: Try to flex your Index and Ring finger together, like an exercise everyday. Keep putting them together, and return to normal, put them together, return to normal...etc. In no time, you should be able to bring 1 and 3 together without much effort.
To make my fingers touch I have to force my middle finger enough to where it's pretty much touching my thumb muscle or enough to where only the 1st segment is still standing upwards and its tilting towards my palm a little. Having my fingers in this position (middle finger is tilting towards thumb, the tips of 1 and 3 are touching) puts a strain to the lowest section (knuckle area) of my middle finger.QUOTEIf you really feel tired or feel like some pain in your fingers after doing the Sonic for over 20 times, then your fingers are not flexible enough yet, and trying to do the Sonic will continue to hurt your fingers.
Since I have to force my fingers too move into the correct spot, I don't have the time to move my middle finger far enough to form the "wall," so the pen just jumps from 3 and lands between 12.
I can only make my fingers form the wall if I force my hand to, without a pen or anything.
I'll try your suggestion, see if it turns out any better. If you do have any more suggestion, I'm open to all relevant suggestions. Thanks.
EDIT: If I practice putting my ring and index together, how should I have my middle finger? Should I have it to where it doesn't strain my middle finger (but my middle finger is just barely enough out of the way to where i can make the complete rotation) or should I have my middle finger all the way bent (where it strains, but my middle finger is COMPLETELY out of the way) and just get my fingers use to that to where it doesn't pain anymore? -
Date: Thu, Jan 8 2009 13:52:43
Although I've been pen-spinning for a while I just nailed Sonic a couple of days ago lol. The part that I'm having trouble with is it seems I need to put a lot of pressure on the thumb flap to make the pen able to do a charge then make an obstacle (middle finger) for my pen to get past.
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Date: Sun, Jan 11 2009 14:16:55
I'm having a problem with the sonic.
Whenever I release the pen, it gets stuck between 3-4.
Because of that I can't push my middle finger all the way down to form the wall
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Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 04:05:37QUOTE (Nilixen @ Jan 12 2009, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm having a problem with the sonic.
Whenever I release the pen, it gets stuck between 3-4.
Because of that I can't push my middle finger all the way down to form the wall
Does anyone have some tips to help me?
try this i don't no if it will really help but its how i got pass that problem.
of course start between 3-4 and rest the end of the pen on your thumb flap.
move you index finger slightly back behind your middle finger.
bend your middle finger IN (so if you left handed press right oppisite if your left) to apply pressure
to the pen when you think you have enough release it from the thumb flap *remember your index
must be behind your middle a little when you bend your middle finger*
if you did it right i think in time you will learn to move your index in to create the wall and your
middle finger in to create the obstacle you need pass. the reason i told you this is because i think when
you apply pressure to the pen using your middle finger you will already create the obstacle all you really
need to worry about is moving your index down and making that wall... try it out. -
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2009 06:30:16QUOTE (NoobiePenTrixx @ Jan 12 2009, 05:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>try this i don't no if it will really help but its how i got pass that problem.
of course start between 3-4 and rest the end of the pen on your thumb flap.
move you index finger slightly back behind your middle finger.
bend your middle finger IN (so if you left handed press right oppisite if your left) to apply pressure
to the pen when you think you have enough release it from the thumb flap *remember your index
must be behind your middle a little when you bend your middle finger*
if you did it right i think in time you will learn to move your index in to create the wall and your
middle finger in to create the obstacle you need pass. the reason i told you this is because i think when
you apply pressure to the pen using your middle finger you will already create the obstacle all you really
need to worry about is moving your index down and making that wall... try it out.
Thanks for the help
I kind of understand how the trick goes. Now I only have to make it more fluent and don't drop the pen that often. -
Date: Tue, Feb 10 2009 06:18:07
Can't do this palm down
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Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 12:49:24QUOTE (Mike @ Feb 10 2009, 08:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Can't do this palm down
Hmmm, I think that will be a problem in the future, because it will limit your variuos combos... (if you want to do a combo, where you make twist of your hand... You will need to make it palm down, too)...A combo which uses the twist of the hand is K4LC (and actually in the combo you do Sonic 34-23 palm down), so keep practising to learn doing Sonic palm down
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Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 07:52:46
The sonic more used in combos would be done palm down right? But is it possible to do a sonic normal with palm sideways to devils sonic? Ive been trying to do this for sumtime but the pen keep on flying away when i turn my palm face down.
Is it becuz i must do palm down sonic to devils sonic? My palm down sonic aint that gud.. -
Date: Tue, Feb 24 2009 17:24:45QUOTE (Corvin @ Feb 24 2009, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The sonic more used in combos would be done palm down right? But is it possible to do a sonic normal with palm sideways to devils sonic? Ive been trying to do this for sumtime but the pen keep on flying away when i turn my palm face down.
Is it becuz i must do palm down sonic to devils sonic? My palm down sonic aint that gud..
It doesn't have to be done palm down... I am saying that in some combos it would be an good idea to do it....And for the devil's sonic I think it's almost impossible to do it palm down.... Either you need to do sonic palm sideways and the do the twist of the hand extremely fast and then do the Shadow palm down, but then I think the twist will affect the Shadow, too, and then very likely the pen will fly off the palm. I don't think it's possible, but you can try to do the push to Shadow with much force, and hope that the pen will spin faster than the pen fall down from the palm because of the gravity... -
Date: Mon, Mar 16 2009 15:54:32
I need help doing sonic 34-23
I get the charge motion going, but when I move my 3rd finger in, the pen just bounces up like a tipped sonic, which is really unappealing. Can someone give me suggestions for improvement? -
Date: Mon, Mar 16 2009 23:52:47QUOTE (G.lanz @ Mar 16 2009, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I need help doing sonic 34-23
I get the charge motion going, but when I move my 3rd finger in, the pen just bounces up like a tipped sonic, which is really unappealing. Can someone give me suggestions for improvement?
I'd say if you get the sonic 34-23 and can do charge 34, the only way to make it smooth and conical would be to practice.
Try to keep practicing charge 34 and and sonic 34-23 until it is smooth.
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Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 09:37:35QUOTE (bry @ Oct 22 2007, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If your fingers are more together then you have a Sonic that looks more circular and has one speed only..and I was about to say the thing with Sonic Clip but sketching got it first...If your fingers are nearer you have a higher success rate and more control...
example: try doing Sonic Normal with your hand pointing down without putting your fingers together...it's harder...try doing it with fingers together...it's easier...just like that
will u hav a different feeling if ur hand is palm down and u do a normal sonic? -
Date: Sun, May 24 2009 17:16:09
Every time i do it (the sonic) i mess up. I can never move my middle finger in. I dont know why my fingers wont obey my thoughts to move foward because every time i do the pen falls out. I cant pull my index finger in to meet my ring finger. How do i train myself to do this? Any tips? Thanks.
Im pretty good with charges and the rest of the fundamentals. Cant get the darn sonic. -
Date: Sun, May 24 2009 18:01:11
Just practise touching index and ring behind your middle (without the pen at first if you wish). That's basicly all you need to do to do sonic, you don't need to bend your middle at all. I just tried it with my left hand (I can't spin it) and it works for me. Hope that helps.
Good luck. -
Date: Sun, May 24 2009 18:07:53
just keep trying
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Date: Sun, May 24 2009 18:28:39
when I first started I had the same problem, finger 2 would always go back up and do a charge. practice without the pen moving finger 2 down while moving finger 1 over. OR, start the trick with middle finger bent at the middle joint, and the pen in that middle joint. then, you only need to move your thumb(for pressure method) and move finger 1 over toward finger 3.
I learned it with that second method and it took me ~2 days of boring school to learn it =)
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Date: Sun, May 24 2009 19:06:13
The idea is that you need to move your ring and index together and your middle in, but you really don't need that much motion.
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Date: Mon, May 25 2009 09:55:31
put scotch tape to hold ur finger back LOL jus a way
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Date: Sun, Jun 7 2009 17:46:04
im having a hard time with the sonic and its variations
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Date: Sun, Jun 7 2009 18:34:31QUOTE (Falco45 @ Jun 7 2009, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im having a hard time with the sonic and its variations
just read through the thread.
lots of good advice on it.
btw, ur supposed to use this thread on sonic and sonic only.QUOTEUse this thread to discuss the Sonic (note, Sonic Reverse has a different thread. I didn't feel that the harmonic needed a thread, but feel free to make one if needed). -
Date: Mon, Jun 8 2009 20:05:36
this is a really good fundamental trick.
I couldnt do it at first, but then i started to put my third finger up much more than usual and the pen kinda just flipped arund my third finger.
All you need to do is practice, and then make sure you can do it without the thumbfalp -
Date: Wed, Jun 10 2009 12:12:04QUOTE (Chief_Snake @ May 24 2009, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>when I first started I had the same problem, finger 2 would always go back up and do a charge. practice without the pen moving finger 2 down while moving finger 1 over. OR, start the trick with middle finger bent at the middle joint, and the pen in that middle joint. then, you only need to move your thumb(for pressure method) and move finger 1 over toward finger 3.
I learned it with that second method and it took me ~2 days of boring school to learn it =)
-I would wish you luck, but then there would be less for me
I have that very same problem, and I'm stuck on this trick, as I can a do little combo and another advanced tricks, I just can't do the simple Sonic.
I really have to try that... -
Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 19:53:25
For some reason I find it easier to do sonic 34-23 than 23-12
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Date: Wed, Nov 25 2009 22:59:48
When I do a 4-3 sonic, I usually get it to work when I don't it goes into the ending position of a regular sonic.
What I want to know is if that's a "trick" in pen spinning.
So if anyone can help me out thanks. -
Date: Wed, Nov 25 2009 23:50:19
make more sense:
first off, we usually notate slots like this: 34
why? because the "-" represents a transfer, like sonic 23-12 (starts in 23 and goes to 12)
and by convention we write it smallest to greatest 12, 34, 14, 13,24, T3
secondly, when you say "it goes into the ending position of a regular sonic" does that mean 12?
if yes, then you are doing a sonic 34-12
good luck, and try to give some more details -
Date: Wed, Nov 25 2009 23:58:02QUOTE (Zasranets @ Nov 25 2009, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When I do a 4-3 sonic, I usually get it to work when I don't it goes into the ending position of a regular sonic.
What I want to know is if that's a "trick" in pen spinning.
So if anyone can help me out thanks.
When you say 4-3 sonic, what are you talking about a sonic from 34-23 please explain? -
Date: Thu, Nov 26 2009 17:43:53
Sorry that I wasn't specific, I just started spinning about 2 weeks ago.
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Date: Fri, Nov 27 2009 06:03:26QUOTE (Zasranets @ Nov 25 2009, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When I do a 4-3 sonic, I usually get it to work when I don't it goes into the ending position of a regular sonic.
What I want to know is if that's a "trick" in pen spinning.
So if anyone can help me out thanks.
Sonic 34-12? -
Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 04:16:42
How do you sonic without using pressure? i keep on trying but i and up doing a charge... or it falls....
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Date: Mon, Jan 11 2010 01:45:35QUOTE (Teh_Ma§ta @ Jan 9 2010, 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How do you sonic without using pressure? i keep on trying but i and up doing a charge... or it falls....
first of all, can you do a sonic with pressure? if yes, then do the charge motion, just pull your middle finger back and bring 1 and 3 together, should rotate through. other than that, its mostly practice -
Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 17:00:26QUOTE (Teh_Ma§ta @ Jan 10 2010, 04:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How do you sonic without using pressure? i keep on trying but i and up doing a charge... or it falls....
you do apply pressure, but just a tiny bit -
Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 22:07:33
Apply pressure really confused me when I first started, if you know the charge try to start from a charge however you do it, it's the same starting moltion ;] *pressure* really isnt the right word, and you dont need that much force at all the to make the pen move. Pressure sounds like yah, I would d isregard it = |
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Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 14:09:22
my golden tip is:
try it palm-down!
that's how i got it really smooth:) -
Date: Wed, Feb 3 2010 15:40:35QUOTE (timoke6 @ Jan 31 2010, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>my golden tip is:
try it palm-down!
that's how i got it really smooth:)
tahts a good tip.
when i first learned sonic is with my thumb than i got better and i do sonic with out my thumb -
Date: Tue, Apr 20 2010 04:04:31
Sooo.....
I just learned my Sonic about a day ago. I can do it maybe 8/10 times without dropping it but whenever I do it, it feels really "clunky" and not smooth. When I spin it around, I can hear it knocking against my knuckles and it doesn't look as smooth as when I see other people do it in videos. Is it just because I just learned the Sonic and I just need to practice or am I doing something wrong?
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Date: Tue, Apr 20 2010 05:09:52
yes you need to practice charge to take your sonic to the next level
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Date: Tue, Apr 20 2010 14:19:25QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 19 2010, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yes you need to practice charge to take your sonic to the next level
Well, I can't do charge with my 23, only 12 so I guess I need to learn that first, right? -
Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 22:24:05
Ughhh i've been tryin the sonic for sooo long. Still can't get it. I learned the charge in like a day but the sonic is givin me loads of problems. My middle won't seem to go down properly and my ring and index won't connect resulting in a epic fail lol. Most of the time I end up doing a charge instead of a sonic.
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Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 16:37:32
well heres an idea for all of you having problems.
First, try to get off the strategy of holding it in your thumbflap and releasing it because thats very unsmooth.
try with your thumb to get the charge in 23.
once you get the charge decently down, practice bringing your index and ring finger together and lowering your middle finger. practice this many times in the day until the muscles in your fingers become used to the motion.
Then, put it all together. have a charge in 23 and then simply do that muscle memory you developed bringing index and ring together and the motion of the trick will come natural.
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Date: Sat, May 1 2010 09:16:16
I've been practicing sonic for about two weeks and now I'm pretty good at it. I can do a normal sonic, a sonic from your pinky to your middle finger, and from pinky to index finger. Do these sonics have different names, or are they just a bit different revs?
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Date: Wed, May 12 2010 22:49:11QUOTE (Uzeeh @ May 1 2010, 05:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've been practicing sonic for about two weeks and now I'm pretty good at it. I can do a normal sonic, a sonic from your pinky to your middle finger, and from pinky to index finger. Do these sonics have different names, or are they just a bit different revs?
Strictly speaking, a normal sonic doesn't mean it goes from between the ring and middle finger to the middle and index finger, it refers to the direction of rotation. But anyway, naming goes like this: index is 1 middle is 2 ring is 3 pinky is 4 thumb is T. What you call I normal sonic is a sonic 23-12. The 23 refers to the two fingers the pen started in and the 12 to the fingers the pen ended in. The name for pinky to middle would be sonic 34-23. From pinky to index is 34-12 or sometimes called a sonicx2. I hope this helped, though i dont know what you mean by "just a bit different revs." Also, take a look at this http://www.upsb.info/wiki/index.php?title=Finger_slot and http://www.upsb.info/wiki/index.php?title=Sonic -
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 12:44:51
i dont know what to do..
i just cantt under stand this trick!
its too demn hard I cant understand the movment of this trick
and i watched like 50 times movies -
Date: Fri, Jun 11 2010 16:07:46
Don't worry it's hard to understand even if you see it in person. If you know the charge just think of it as a charge in between your indx and ringfinger with the middle finger folded down try touching them together without a pen if you know the charge it's bassicly a charge normal start bringingthe middle out of the way so it can do a littlehalf circle in between yur rin and index finger. Try watching a video in slow motion that helps a lot. You think it's harderthan it really is and you shouldn't have to use THAT much force to do a sonic gl
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Date: Sat, Jun 12 2010 04:50:59
Well here's a really easy way to learn this trick without having to learn the charge,
First, you have to get used to the muscle memory of bringing your index and ring finger together while folding your middle finger down. just really practice going from a normal hand then bring your ring and index finger together while folding your middle finger down until you can do it with a pen in your hand.
Hold the pen in the 23 slot between middle and ring finger while the pen is held in your thumbflap, let the pen slide off your thumbflap to create the 1 circular charge motion.
As this happens, do that muscle memory you just learned of bringing your index and ring finger together and let the pen continue the motion through your fingers and it will land in the 12 slot as it lands back into your thumbflap and you bring your middle finger back up.
All i have to say is practice and practice and I hope this helps -
Date: Sun, Jun 13 2010 05:51:02
Isnt sonic just the best its simple and it looks gud
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Date: Tue, Jun 15 2010 20:50:07
WELL I FELT LIKE THIS
WHEN i didnt get it but just keep praticing... then youll be like