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General Discussion / Heavy Pens vs Light Pens
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Date: Tue, Jun 9 2009 17:59:50
I started spinning a light pen at first then I switched to a much heavier pen for like a month which i prefered so much more, i'm able to spin so much better with it
But now i can't spin light pens at all besides do a sonic or something......
Now im wondering should i stick to using lighter pens or should i continue using a heavy pen? -
Date: Tue, Jun 9 2009 18:36:00QUOTE (Muyonaise @ Jun 9 2009, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I started spinning a light pen at first then I switched to a much heavier pen for like a month which i prefered so much more, i'm able to spin so much better with it
But now i can't spin light pens at all besides do a sonic or something......
Now im wondering should i stick to using lighter pens or should i continue using a heavy pen?
i say stick with the heavy pen. whats the points of using the light on when your never going to back to it? -
Date: Tue, Jun 9 2009 18:52:14
I have that exact same problem... I think I'm gonna make a mod that's heavier than the lighter ones but like lighter than my current heavy one... That way maybe it'll be better and I'll be able to spin both types... Just maybe.
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Date: Tue, Jun 9 2009 19:03:07QUOTE (Vecayse @ Jun 9 2009, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have that exact same problem... I think I'm gonna make a mod that's heavier than the lighter ones but like lighter than my current heavy one... That way maybe it'll be better and I'll be able to spin both types... Just maybe.
yeah thats a good idea. maybe making a medium weighted pen would be on the safe side. then you could easily transition from pen to pen.
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Date: Tue, Jun 9 2009 20:50:13
Use whatever you want. If you like heavier pens better than lighter ones, then use Heavy pens.
It's up to you.
Though I'd recommend trying some medium weight pens.
Personally, I have both heavy and light pens, and switching isn't that hard. -
Date: Tue, Jun 9 2009 20:56:35
From personal experience, it just takes a few days to get used to a light from a heavy. Just stop spinning the heavy for a day or so and then start spinning the light. At first, it's hard, but as you progress along, it gets easier and easier.
Heavy Pens
Pros: -easy to spin
Cons: -slow rotation
Light Pens
Pros: -Non-noob
-fast rotation
Cons: -harder to spin (less busts, harder bakfall, more drops)
IMO, I would stick to medium weighted mods, but could switch to lights and heavies every once in a while for a variety of spinning types. -
Date: Tue, Jun 9 2009 21:05:13QUOTE (Null @ Jun 9 2009, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>From personal experience, it just takes a few days to get used to a light from a heavy. Just stop spinning the heavy for a day or so and then start spinning the light. At first, it's hard, but as you progress along, it gets easier and easier.
Heavy Pens
Pros: -easy to spin
Cons: -slow rotation
Light Pens
Pros: -Non-noob
-fast rotation
Cons: -harder to spin (less busts, harder bakfall, more drops)
IMO, I would stick to medium weighted mods, but could switch to lights and heavies every once in a while for a variety of spinning types.
For some reason, your pros and cons bother me.
With heavy pens, its not always easier to spin. I can easily double bust with an MX, but not with a "heavier" like my cheat comssa. Its all personal preference. Also, there are spinners out there that spin fast with a heavy mod, just because a pen is heavy it doesnt mean that the rotation is slow. supawit used a buster cyl in the WT, yet his spinning is really fast.
With regarding light pens, the "non noob" thing really bothers me. How does spinning a lighter pen not make you a noob? The winner of World Tournament 09 is spinnerpeem, and i dont see how he is a noob at all if lighter pens supposedly are non noobish. with the fast rotation, its like the same thing as i said before. there are spinners that can spin fast with a heavy pen. Finally, a lighter pen doesnt always mean its harder to spin. I already stated that in the last paragraph.
Basically, pros and cons tend to be too subjective IMO. It's all personal preference. If you like heavy pens > light pens, then spin heavy pens if you want. If not then go with lighter pens. -
Date: Tue, Jun 9 2009 21:08:01QUOTE (Null @ Jun 9 2009, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>From personal experience, it just takes a few days to get used to a light from a heavy. Just stop spinning the heavy for a day or so and then start spinning the light. At first, it's hard, but as you progress along, it gets easier and easier.
Heavy Pens
Pros: -easy to spin
Cons: -slow rotation
Light Pens
Pros: -Non-noob
-fast rotation
Cons: -harder to spin (less busts, harder bakfall, more drops)
IMO, I would stick to medium weighted mods, but could switch to lights and heavies every once in a while for a variety of spinning types.
Your pros and cons aren't the same for everyone. I spin much much worse and can do more tricks on a lighter pen then a heavy one ._.
on topic: I agree with Resonance, just spin what feels best for you
Edit: loanshark beat me to it :X -
Date: Tue, Jun 9 2009 21:59:41
I'm pretty sure there was a topic close to this, where (I think) Xero was talking about spinning dr. kt, and it ruined his spinning. This was however, a long time ago
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I only spin light mods, because there are no heavy mods that suits my hands. -
Date: Tue, Jun 9 2009 22:48:51
This argument has been around forever..even when I started spinning 3.5 years ago.
The introduction of heavier and heavier pens has just been a natural evolution with the hobby.
Think about it. Here's a small Progression table of major mods that had been coming out.
(The times are not meant to be completely time accurate..only so much I can do here
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Pencil mods --> RSVP MX / Bictory --> Comssas --> Dr. KT --> Onset of Grip/Tip Stack mods (G3 mods for example) --> BusterCYL
The entire point of making pens heavier is to allow for new tricks/styles to be developed. There simply hits a certain point to where that will level off and where weight will become an issue for the fingers. People will spin whatever pen makes them feel as if they are better in a short-term. Think about it.
Example:
A new pen-spinner just started learning his fundamentals with a pencil. Since the idea of how much practice is really necessary to learn tricks hasn't set in yet, he feels unsuccessful that he believes a heavier pen will automatically make him better. He gets a Dr. KT all of a sudden. He begins trying to do a thumb-around with a pencil, he just can't do it. He picks up the Dr. KT and then does a Thumb-around with less finger-movement(because of momentum) and then he performs the trick successfully. Now that mindset sets in, The heavier pen I have, the better I can spin in the immediate future.
The Controversy:
Does it Take more SKILL to spin a light pen? and does it take LESS skill to spin a heavy pen?
The Answer is yes. It's called Gravity.
With a light-pen, there is less weight for gravity to push down, which causes less momentum. The less momentum, the more finger-dexterity it takes to move the pen from point A to point B in the hand.
With a Heavy-pen, there is more weight for gravity to push down on, which causes MORE momentum. The more momentum, the less finger-dexterity required to move the pen from point A to point B in the hand.
The opposing:
The ones who generally try to defend it will say, "It takes more energy to move a heavy pen, therefore being harder and being more work, thus more skill needed."
Let me put it this way. You have a sock with a wiffle-ball in a long sock and a Tennis-ball in a sock. What will go farther with the same amount of energy exerted while winding up and throwing across a field. The Tennis-ball will because the heavier the weight causes higher amounts of momentum to propel the sock farther. It would take more work and energy to throw the sock with the wiffle-ball to the length of where the tennis-sock would go.
The ones who will do nothing else but wanting to oppose me will probably say that, "what about a weight-lifter, don't they take more energy to move 400lbs than 200lbs?"
This is about SPINNING, not simply picking up. If you can find a weight-lifter than can do an indexpinkybak rev 2.0 with a 400lb or 200lb dumbell, I will retract all of my statements.
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I could care less about people using a heavy pen. It has benefits, but I think people should stop having to be RELIANT on these mods to feel successful. With each of these new heavy mods, I can see people starting to spin the same. You tend to see a bit more variety with various weight pens instead of the high-end HEAVY-weights. Not to mention peoples wanting of INSTANT GRATIFICATION. Spinners these days want INSTANT gratification on all tricks they do, if they can't do it with a light pen, they switch to an even heavier to pen to feel successful, that is my opinion
Long story short: "Spin different kinds, don't dedicate yourself to just one pen, even if it does take a bit more practice." -
Date: Wed, Jun 10 2009 00:42:49
Your points are quite valid iMatt, they make sense. I guess I'll be taking your advice and be spinning a variety of different pens. I'll start with my lighter mods so I can get used to them again.
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Date: Wed, Jun 10 2009 01:38:51
i usually have 2 pens in my pocket
also, the heaviest pen i have atm is a signo tipped ballsign (note: it had gripmatics over the signo once, but it was way too heavy)
but i alternate between heavy/light/medium/single sided/double sided/triple sided....
the occasional straight up dr grip shaker
so basically, i can do the most common mini combo i do with any mod
switch a couple of times a day if you can
note: dont try and switch immediately from the heavy mod to lighter mod in the space of 30 seconds -
Date: Wed, Jun 10 2009 02:06:18QUOTE (iMatt @ Jun 9 2009, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The Controversy:
Does it Take more SKILL to spin a light pen and does it take LESS skill to spin a heavy pen?
The Answer is yes. It's called Gravity.
That's not a yes or no question
I think you made great points, which I personally agree with. -
Date: Wed, Jun 10 2009 09:03:15
ok then be that the case that i should switch between mods
could anyone suggest to me some medium weighted double sided mods? -
Date: Wed, Jun 10 2009 09:07:28QUOTE (Muyonaise @ Jun 10 2009, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ok then be that the case that i should switch between mods
could anyone suggest to me some medium weighted double sided mods?
metallic comssa
you could have all comssas for ur light/med/heavy mods
-straight comssa
-metalic comssa
-dr. comssa (or buster with comssa body)
XD