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Pen Modifications / All the famous pen mods
Do we need them?
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Date: Mon, Nov 19 2007 17:04:53
Ok, I told myself - wait, don't post it yet, wait like half a year until you become good so that people can believe your opinion..
But no, I just have to say it (dno if this is right section, might be for general discussion though)
Anyways. All those pen mods that people sell trough ebays, so newbie can get the best pen for the best prices and be the best penspinner... I think they are useless.
But wait, I am newbie too, so I should not be so offensive. So this was my opinion, but just skip commenting it and tell me: what else can I possibly need than a perfectly balanced hollow marker (so I can adjust it's weight) with covers on both sides + grips at the end for infinity.
What else can I possibly need.
Now, what is my point - these things I just written down can be found in almost everyone's house. Not everyone is so lucky that he has such grips as I do (advertising pens of one company.. god bless them), but many grips I found at home can be used aswell. Everybody has them, you don't have to buy it (and if you don't they cost few bugs).
The only reason to buy some mod is to make pen that can write aswell, so you for example can spin with pen which your teacher can't take away from you. Thats really just the only reason.
Don't tell me "have you ever been holding rvsp/xxxx in hand", just answer me, what else can I need other than things I have said in third paragraph. What does rvsp have and classic marker don't.
And sorry guys.. I hope this isn't(and from what I've seen it isn't) flaming community. Please tell me, I am newbie, I reall might be wrong, I just can't imagine any argument other then pen that is able to write or that markers are usually ugly.. -
Date: Mon, Nov 19 2007 17:09:54
They make the mods for weight, balance, etc... which a regular marker does not have.
EDIT- And even by adding covers, grips, etc. to the crayola marker, it still isn't heavy enough, as the marker is very lightweight -
Date: Mon, Nov 19 2007 17:14:03QUOTE (NoRice4U @ Nov 19 2007, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>They make the mods for weight, balance, etc... which a regular marker does not have.
Why should it not have balance, mine does and I can balance it anyhow I want to by filling it with paper/anything else.
And weight is also adjustable, I can also just fill it with paper, or for example put sticky tape on it, if you do it right it makes no difference with the feeling/handling of the pen, or it might even be better
reply to your edit
well, you CAN get the weight, but that would be alot of modding yeah, so you're right. Still you can get it pretty heavy easy way, too bad I don't have weight to measure what can I get out of my pen (maybe tell me how much does your pen weight, would be nice 
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Date: Mon, Nov 19 2007 17:16:53
well yes in a way you're right, you should become good first before trying out better mods. There's no point for a newbie to start buying a lot of fancy mods if you don't have the skill to use them yet. Stick with what you have for now until you realize you need something more.
however I guarantee you that once you become good, you feel a difference when you're using a different mod that can help or hurt you, it might all look the same to you, but they're not. -
Date: Mon, Nov 19 2007 17:17:18QUOTE (raelz @ Nov 19 2007, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Why should it not have balance, mine does and I can balance it anyhow I want to by filling it with paper/anything else.
And weight is also adjustable, I can also just fill it with paper, or for example put sticky tape on it, if you do it right it makes no difference with the feeling/handling of the pen, or it might even be better
Filling it with paper doesn't give it enough weight, to give it better momentum(for people with weaker fingers.
Balance is helpful for tricks. -
Date: Mon, Nov 19 2007 17:21:35QUOTE (Zombo @ Nov 19 2007, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>however I guarantee you that once you become good, you feel a difference when you're using a different mod that can help or hurt you, it might all look the same to you, but they're not.
Oh yes, you're right. Now, I don't believe any of you, but well, what can I say..
You will see this topic again (and maybe not) in 6-∞ months
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Date: Mon, Nov 19 2007 17:52:45
Like you said you do not need a popular mod to have a good spinning pen.
But as you spin more I think that you will enjoy trying different pens. Each one has different characteristics. -
Date: Mon, Nov 19 2007 18:50:01
Blah, blah, blah. Use whatever you want to use and don't worry about what other people are using.
If newbs want to spend money and spin famous mods (they're famous because they have been proven to work well), that's their business. -
Date: Tue, Nov 20 2007 04:49:53
no offense dude, but i honestly don't think this is worth a whole'nother topic. Spin what ya want, but don't criticize people objectively for spinning other pens.
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Date: Tue, Nov 20 2007 05:19:56
About needing something other than a balanced pen...
Barrel feel:
For some people, the feel of the pen can make a big difference. The texture, slickness, stickiness of the pen can matter much more than the balance. I used to love the RSVP-based mods for the amount of slickness to the barrel. Combined with a G2 barrel for the Momentum MX mod, it was great when I was just starting out performing top spins and could not push the pen as hard as I can now. Having a slicker barrel was quite useful at the time.
Balance:
As Kam has said, he personally (and others) like an unbalanced pen because it seems easier for them to perform tricks with that kind of setup. Just because you like a balanced pen doesn't mean that it is automatically the best choice, it is just the best choice for you, right now. That may change if you ever try something different. Until you try an unbalanced pen that is just enough out-of-balance, you can't say anything bad about other people's mods.
Overall Weight:
Adding bits of paper makes a very small amount of difference in overall weight. If you are double-capping a marker, then some paper will help to balance the mod, not to add significant weight to the pen as a whole. Certain pen mods are made to add extreme amounts of weight to the ends. Until you have tried different mods with dramaticaly different amounts of weight (very light-weight > very heavy) you can't say anything about other people's mods.
Weight distribution:
How the weight is distributed over the entire pen can make a big difference to most people. Most tend to like plenty of weight on the ends. Others may want more weight in the middle for a more solid feel to the mod. Having too much weight on the ends and not enough in the middle may give a distracting feeling to some. It depends on how much experience you have had with difference kinds of mods that have dramatically different weight distributions. A double-capped marker has fairly even weight overall, if you try a pen with significant weight on the ends, compared to the middle of the mod, you may like it more...maybe not. Until you try it yourself, you have no right to say anything about other people trying and using that kind of mod.
Visual aesthetics:
A double-capped marker is just plain boring. That's why the PDS Comssas sell so well. The latest versions have come with more options that just a plain barrel with colored grips on the ends. Many spinners (you can see from the "Show Your Pens" thread for proof) love to be able to personalize their pen mods. Many famous mods also have many more known options and examples of customization when it comes to colors and materials to make a famous mod your own. The RSVP MX and Momentum MX probably have the most amount of custom pen mods made by spinners. Lately, the MSXA and the MX^2 have been shown with many different takes on the basic mod as people try them out of customize them. Again, if you haven't taken the time to customize your own mod, then you have nothing to stand on when it comes to others trying famous pen mods for their wide variety of visual styles available to them.
Alternatives:
Many famous pen mods have numerous pen parts that can be replaced and added onto to further made the mod more comfortable to the individual pen spinner. The RSVP MX and the Dr.KT have plenty of known alternatives for people to be able to get a similar spinning experience, so they will try out these options to see how they feel. Others may want to add more to the pen mod to help with any of the above mentioned points and are willing to try something different in the process.
In conclusion, just because you are happy with a double-capped marker, there's no reason to question why someone else would want to experiment with a proven pen mod that many people have shown a liking and a comfort for. Until you can get around to experimenting yourself, you are only limiting yourself by keeping ignorant of alternatives that have had wide-spread approval by many different pen spinners from many different countries. -
Date: Tue, Nov 20 2007 05:41:09QUOTE (iMatt @ Nov 20 2007, 05:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>no offense dude, but i honestly don't think this is worth a whole'nother topic. Spin what ya want, but don't criticize people objectively for spinning other pens.
You, good spinners are okay, I don't understand pen spinnning, you do.
The thing thats weird is the number of newbies that buy those pens, because all of them (and I am sure of it) can do just double capped marker and spin with it until prety good level (since I don't see the problem with my marker while doing small combos I think I will continue in not seeing it for atleast another month).
It also shows their creativity, too bad they probably buy rvsp and stop penspinning after month without finding the buty of designing a pen.
As I said, I am not going to discuss with you how good or not is your pen, because I just can't. But since I wouldn't spin any better with famous pen mods (maybe like some kind of trick slightly better with some pens, but not all of them and for me the marker proved to be amazingly universal so far) I can say that all those people that buy them are simply without any imagination and cretiviness, lazy or just dull.
Another think why I can't argument about pen mods because penspinners are trying to find their style, also by having differently looking pens a you don't really get any beauty out of simple marker.
So thanks for your posts, thanks sketching that made me understand you a little more (I WOULD argue with him, but I WON'T since he is absolutely right in crucial things
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By the way, I have a vision of my next pen - its going to be same shaped piece of wood with same length and with the same grips (those grips are probably the best for infinities, I learned infinity in about 5-10 minutes and everyone in school is able to do it with my pen aswell), but It's going to be harder, because this marker is my 4th since they tend to brake (although never by my hand, someone always has to screw infinity badly...) -
Date: Fri, Nov 23 2007 21:56:43
Umm, they look cooler, get a better spinning affect, added weight, and makes u feel good to spin it. Also, people dont really make mods that are pencils so teachers cant take it away. I spin my ballsign in class all the time XD
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Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 02:23:44
my philosophy on choosing the perfect mod (or just some random unmodded pen) is pretty much the same as sketching's except simpler.
1) aesthetic appeal - who wants some boring stick?
2) personal spinning preference - as someone who spins the same pen for extended periods of time, i can tell you that your style of spinning adjusts to the pen you use. i started out spinning some random mod, then kt, and then dr grip tipped comssa. after about 4 months of spinning, i switched to a single sided mod. it was pretty balanced, so the shift wasn't that dramatic. However, after a couple other similar balanced single sided mods, i started spinning an mx (out of peer pressure, don't do this). Now until now most of my mods had been pretty long, balanced, heavy. the switch to mx killed me for a couple days, and i still can't do some of the tricks i could do over 8 months ago as well. Recently, i switched to a signo-tipped bictory. It felt weird for a while, but I finally got used to it after a week or so.
3) spin whatever the hell you want. -
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 16:37:42
Most people want a pen that not only looks incredibly sexy to spin, but they usually also want to be able to use it for its conventional use: writing.
This is why I don't like spinning a regular RSVP MX; You can't write with it. -
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 17:09:23
ya all the mods are different.
at first...i used a pencil to practice the basic trics.
then i added a eraser the the ther side of the pencil to make it more balenced cuz i learned i could spin it better that way.
then i found out...well adding more weight at each ends make it heavier and more momentum.
then after all of that...the barrol...i liked a bigger barrol to spin with...i started to use a pen.
it just changes and changes when you get better and better. -
Date: Sat, Nov 24 2007 18:40:40
for "newbies" like you they are useless. to practice the basics, etc. you can also spin a cucumber ^^
but if you're getting better you'll be looking for THE pen that suits you the most. (so that's also why many of the pros invented their one mod.)
and in in the end you'll be spinning about 3 mods and the rest is just lying around.
but I also want the chance to have many alternatives because when I spin just one mod all the time I get bored of it.
so my opinion is that you don't need them when you're starting, than you want them and then you don't need them anymore
/e: and of course it's easier and funnier to spin good mods. -
Date: Sun, Nov 25 2007 02:42:33QUOTE (Forte Escape @ Nov 24 2007, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Most people want a pen that not only looks incredibly sexy to spin, but they usually also want to be able to use it for its conventional use: writing.
This is why I don't like spinning a regular RSVP MX; You can't write with it.
are you on crack? of course you can write with an mx. -
Date: Sun, Nov 25 2007 02:46:29QUOTE (Forte Escape @ Nov 25 2007, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Most people want a pen that not only looks incredibly sexy to spin, but they usually also want to be able to use it for its conventional use: writing.
This is why I don't like spinning a regular RSVP MX; You can't write with it.
You do know what an MX is right? you make a hole in the backcap and put the ink through so that you can write, I have never seen a tutorial of the mx without this step. -
Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 04:40:27QUOTE (xshadowfire @ Nov 24 2007, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>are you on crack? of course you can write with an mx.
he probably means write and spin at the same time -
Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 05:09:03QUOTE (NoRice4U @ Nov 26 2007, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>he probably means write and spin at the same time
haha or not...
yea the mx does write fort -
Date: Mon, Nov 26 2007 07:13:05
People spin famous mods because they know that they are at least fairly good. People don't won't to wreck their pens so they buy mods that are well known and easy to make.
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Date: Thu, Nov 29 2007 08:18:25
I get ur idea raelz... but some people don't like to use a normal, cheap pen. Its kinda boring and your pen spinning looks alot cooler if you use a cool pen.
Meh, this is just your opinion, just spin whatever you want and if you get bored of it, try another one.
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Date: Thu, Nov 29 2007 20:46:06
I think some people don't realize how big the difference is between pens with different barrel feel and weight distrubution...