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Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 03:32:24
Welcome back UPSB!
In an attempt to make a positive out of a painful negative, this thread has been created to bring all discussions about modrod into one place. That means this is the place to post (or repost) your entry for the 2009 "Mod the Rod" Contest.
Also, before the recent crash of the UPSB, there was an ongoing problem of lengthy modrod discussions on the SYOP thread that were taking it too far off topic. That was certainly not our intention, and regret that we were not able to answer everyone that make comment. For those that want to re-engage the topic, this is the place. We sincerely welcome, and enjoy all comments, questions, suggestions, debates, etc, and hope that you will now post them here so that we can run each discussion for as long as it has life.
Mod the Rod Contest Rules (thanks KAM!)
1. The modded pen must be a modrod Evo. It cannot be a knockoff.
2. Each person must post a photo of their modded Evo here on this thread.
3. Each person must include a parts list of the materials they used as well as where they acquired the parts and the cost of each part.
4. Each insert has to be done digitally, and cannot be done by hand. This insert must be posted here on this thread, with the understanding that by posting it here they are agreeing that modrod or anyone else can reproduce the image for private or commercial use forevermore.
5. Winner will be awarded $150 U.S. currency.
6. Winner will be determined by a poll of the UPSB members.
7. Results will be verfied by the moderators of the UPSB.
8. The modrod must still function as a retractable ball point pen.
9. Weight, length, and COG recommended.
10. There is no limit on how many different variations per contestant that can be submitted.
11. All entries have to be posted on this thread by the EOD December 17th, 2009.
12. "Mod the Rod" contest winner will be announced on January 1, 2010.
13. Friends, family, and owners of modrod are not allowed to win.
So there you have it. Feel free to cover the clicker as well if you can come up with a dependable way to do so. Remember that it still has to function as a retractable pen, and improvements other than grips or inserts will be examined to make sure they are not too shoddy.
Spoiler:
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May the best modder win.
Thanks and Happy Spinning!
cris
Contest Results:
eVo Contest | Round Two
In your honest opinion, which one of these three eVo's is most deserving of the the $150 prize?
Neptune's eVo in post #143 [ 13 ] [30.95%]
Colins' eVo in post #3 [ 11 ] [26.19%]
BloorA's eVo number 6 in post #105 [ 18 ] [42.86%]
Total Votes: 49 -
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 04:39:14
indeed, welcome back and for those who didn't see it this is our modrod eVo | blueprint
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Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 04:41:13QUOTE (Barrett316 @ Oct 15 2009, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>indeed, welcome back and for those who didn't see it this is our modrod eVo | blueprint
Spoiler:
Still loving that color scheme.
Meh. Same old
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Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 05:51:31
Just got my modrod today. So far, I like it. Lengthy and at the right weight. It was shipped a bit late, but to make up for the tardiness, I had an extra bag of rings and inserts, so that was nice.
My only problem so far is that it has a slight rattle that I need to fix. Any ideas how to fix the rattle? -
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 15:25:00QUOTE (Charlie @ Oct 16 2009, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just got my modrod today. So far, I like it. Lengthy and at the right weight. It was shipped a bit late, but to make up for the tardiness, I had an extra bag of rings and inserts, so that was nice.
My only problem so far is that it has a slight rattle that I need to fix. Any ideas how to fix the rattle?
Hello Charile,
sorry again for the slight delay. Glad we could make it up to you. Also glad you like the eVo.
Regarding the slight rattle, it will rattle if it is spun with the tip out, as then clicker is loose. I just checked all the eVos I have here that are fully modded and none of them rattle whatsoever in the retracted position. The eVo is designed to be spun with an insert, and I believe that the insert will solve any rattle problem you may have, as it will hold the ink tighter, and provide a sound buffer from the lexan wall.
Hope that helps. Can't wait to see your eVo.
cris
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Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 18:34:39QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Oct 16 2009, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hello Charile,
sorry again for the slight delay. Glad we could make it up to you. Also glad you like the eVo.
Regarding the slight rattle, it will rattle if it is spun with the tip out, as then clicker is loose. I just checked all the eVos I have here that are fully modded and none of them rattle whatsoever in the retracted position. The eVo is designed to be spun with an insert, and I believe that the insert will solve any rattle problem you may have, as it will hold the ink tighter, and provide a sound buffer from the lexan wall.
Hope that helps. Can't wait to see your eVo.
cris
It rattles slightly in its retracted position. The insert helps, but I still notice it and any rattling annoys me. Tape didn't work, I'll probably try tissue later or something to cushion the inktube. -
Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 19:17:35QUOTE (Charlie @ Oct 16 2009, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It rattles slightly in its retracted position. The insert helps, but I still notice it and any rattling annoys me. Tape didn't work, I'll probably try tissue later or something to cushion the inktube.
What causes the rattling ling is the sheer amount of inktube needed for the retractable mechanism. The only way to silence it is with tissue right near the spring and an insert with a little extra paper inside.
That should silence it.
Regards,
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Date: Fri, Oct 16 2009 22:19:44
hi cris, sorry for the inconvenience.
I found this on Google cache. Can you edit your first post to include the original rules? I'm sure some people would appreciate it.
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:d-20y...lient=firefox-a -
Date: Sat, Oct 17 2009 05:45:54QUOTE (iMatt @ Oct 16 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What causes the rattling ling is the sheer amount of inktube needed for the retractable mechanism. The only way to silence it is with tissue right near the spring and an insert with a little extra paper inside.
That should silence it.
Regards,
iMatt
Thank you. It worked. :] -
Date: Sat, Oct 17 2009 18:45:37QUOTE (Kam @ Oct 16 2009, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hi cris, sorry for the inconvenience.
I found this on Google cache. Can you edit your first post to include the original rules? I'm sure some people would appreciate it.
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:d-20y...lient=firefox-a
Wow, very nice work. Did not think that was possible with the total crash. Guess thatis why you are an ADMIN!
Just reposted the rules, and will include a couple of spoilers with the other info soon as I get some more time to work on it.
Thanks again.
cris -
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 03:29:51
Buhahahhahhaah!
The repost of the Modrods!
Modrod Evo Green
- x2 Pentel RSVP RT Grip
- x1 Pilot G2 Green Grip
Modrod Evo Red
- x1 Pilot G2 Red Grip
- x2 Pilot G2 Black Grips
- x6 Black Rings
Welcome Back BTW
Happy Spinning (Vote 4 me) -
Date: Sun, Oct 18 2009 06:46:00
repost of my modrod:
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Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 02:07:19QUOTE (Barrett316 @ Oct 15 2009, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>indeed, welcome back and for those who didn't see it this is our modrod eVo | blueprint
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Where can I get that insert? -
Date: Mon, Oct 19 2009 21:55:28QUOTE (M0nst4r @ Oct 18 2009, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Where can I get that insert?
as of right now the only way is to actually buy the pen from www.modrod.biz, in the future we may post an "insert pack" for the modrod eVo so you can download a few different styles to put in your pen. -
Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 01:12:31
Not yet complete, but I like it so far. I think I'll make this my first entry:
The caps are the same ones used in my IntroVert Mod. I could probably use other caps, but these are easier to work with and really cheap. It's a buck fifty for about a 10 pack. So 2 caps are around $0.30
The metal rings are from a dr. grip and an airfit. So... ~$10.00
I like the modrod, good length (although too long for the average spinner), the momentum is above average -- and best of all, it's retractable. I do have a few qualms though, such as the slippery body and the spinning room (there's just too much). Too much spinning room along with the slippery barrel results in a pen that's a little harder to spin with than one would like. The use of the caps limits the spinning room (same spinning room as an SX) and makes the modrod a lot easier to spin.
I'll be posting a second entry once I get dr. grip grips and a custom insert. -
Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 01:38:36QUOTE (Charlie @ Oct 21 2009, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not yet complete, but I like it so far. I think I'll make this my first entry:
Spoiler:
The caps are the same ones used in my IntroVert Mod. I could probably use other caps, but these are easier to work with and really cheap. It's a buck fifty for about a 10 pack. So 2 caps are around $0.30
The metal rings are from a dr. grip and an airfit. So... ~$10.00
I like the modrod, good length (although too long for the average spinner), the momentum is above average -- and best of all, it's retractable. I do have a few qualms though, such as the slippery body and the spinning room (there's just too much). Too much spinning room along with the slippery barrel results in a pen that's a little harder to spin with than one would like. The use of the caps limits the spinning room (same spinning room as an SX) and makes the modrod a lot easier to spin.
I'll be posting a second entry once I get dr. grip grips and a custom insert.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shit.
Thats sexy. Cant the cap cover the lip? D: -
Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 03:50:17QUOTE (Ilvdrftng @ Oct 21 2009, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shit.
Thats sexy. Cant the cap cover the lip? D:
Thanks. :]
Yeah of course, I just like it like that. -
Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 03:53:48
nice work charlie.
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Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 06:12:16
We have scaled back the eVos that we now offer on the modrod website.
www.modrod.biz
Also shipping is now FREE to anywhere in the world if the order is greater than or equal to $25.00.
We will be expanding our eVo line as we go. Here is a list of eVos that we will be offering. This list does not include eVos that will be selected as a result of the "Mod the Rod" contest.
Blueprint eVo
Dreamscape eVo
Vintage Jade eVo
Vintage Rasta eVo
Trinity eVo with multicolored glow-in-the-dark rings
Base model eVo with white insert
Thanks and Happy Spinning.
cris -
Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 07:01:37
repost:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a12/jim666/Mods/modrod.png
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Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 22:16:45
Can anyone guess who this is?
cris -
Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 22:17:29
its tek, what do i win?
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Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 22:41:24
lol is tek your new spokesperson/show boy/model?
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Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 22:53:33QUOTE (Winterlocke @ Oct 22 2009, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol is tek your new spokesperson/show boy/model?
LMAO. That modrod sticking out does NOT look right -
Date: Thu, Oct 22 2009 23:08:46QUOTE (Winterlocke @ Oct 22 2009, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol is tek your new spokesperson/show boy/model?
@ Winterlocke,
not sure that TEK would appreciate you calling him a "boy". Don't see how modeling a shirt makes him less of a man.
Looks like he's got another modrod eVo to post up.
cris -
Date: Tue, Oct 27 2009 20:34:05
just wanted to let everyone know that the blueprint eVo is on sale and we have a few new inserts and mods coming soon
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Date: Wed, Oct 28 2009 02:20:57QUOTE (Winterlocke @ Oct 22 2009, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol is tek your new spokesperson/show boy/model?
u can go and dis on an asain
much less an vietnamese!
jk
(vote 4 me)
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Date: Wed, Oct 28 2009 04:36:36
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Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 04:18:51
Here is a new eVo that I used decoupage for the insert. Not sure if anyone has ever applied it to spin pens before, but it's very easy, and opens up a whole world of possibilies. I took a drawing out of a Hulk comic book because I really liked the eyes, and the green and red. See what you think.
The picture is actually "She-Hulk".
If there is much interest in the decoupage technique I will do a tutorial.
cris
Here is another eVo made with the decoupage technique. This is a photo of an actual tattoo. Came out of a Rebel Ink magazine. If you look closely you can see one of the eyes of a frog (near the tip) looking up at some mouse in a castle. No idea what it means, but I liked the colors.
cris -
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 04:29:19QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Oct 29 2009, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Here is a new eVo that I used decoupage for the insert. Not sure if anyone has ever applied it to spin pens before, but it's very easy, and opens up a whole world of possibilies. I took a drawing out of a Hulk comic book because I really liked the eyes, and the green and red. See what you think.
Spoiler:
The picture is actually "She-Hulk".
If there is much interest in the decoupage technique I will do a tutorial.
cris
LOLWUT?
Its funny..but I would totally buy this. Great scheme :]
Although I think that the back looks like it has too much grip for a "single sided" look -
Date: Sun, Nov 1 2009 18:53:10
I think you need to stop using those white grips cris. Look at the other styles
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Date: Mon, Nov 2 2009 04:24:45
lol, your mod looks like there is not enough grip to do tricks on the ends... but who an i to say wat.
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Date: Mon, Nov 2 2009 17:54:15
I had to re-register after UPSB went down , used to be Trashmanf.
just wanted to review my new "Blueprint". I have been buying Cris' Modrods since he started his company, and its really interesting to watch your guys feedback go into his future versions. I f'in SUCK at spinning but heres my review from the standpoint of a modding enthusiast.
Pros:
The overall color scheme matches great, the insert and the blue grips + translucent dr. grip works for me.
New one-piece barrel is MUCH easier to spin then the Rasta/Jade style, C.o.G. is closer to center as well
Combination of O-rings, grip cuts and dr grip cone-style catches fingers well on bak-fall tyle moves, and O-ring protrustion makes a nice pivot point for wipers/infinitys etc
The retractable mechanism is robust and precise. Have dropped it plenty and it doesn't rattle or jam.
Cons:
Some of the construction doesn't stand up well to close inspection - for example the "M" on the crown of the back of the pen is an incredibly cool idea, but looks a bit hacked up close. Maybe rather than carving those out of the existing clips, sand it down to flat, then find a "M" you can stick-on?
Also, some of the grip cuts have minor defects in them - basically it looks like I did it
not that bad, it just doesn't look as precise as if the right tool did it. I don't know if it's unreasonable to expect better, I've ordered lots of pens from Pendolsa Science and they have similar problems, same as getting pre-made mods from PenWish, stuff like an Airfit grip isn't cut *exactly* clean, theres a little nub here and there...
The insert, while really cool design-wise, isn't the same quality as the Rasta/Jade prints. Those were glossy, with deep darks and bright colors; the blueprint looks fine from 3 feet away but up close the insert looks a bit worse, the shading colors on rough-textured paper creates kind of a faded-denim look. The design deserves better! Also, the insert itself is kind of rolled-up so that where it overlaps, the print ends up looking sloppy with a big "cut" through the picture. I don't know if theres an easy fix for this (sticker on a straw, then insert the straw?)
Finally this might be really nit-picking, but where the retract button end-cap meets the barrel , you can see the smear of the glue pattern through the Dr.Grip
on the opposite side of the pen by the tip, the see-through Dr.Grip looks really cool because you can see the Blueprint insert through it. I would recommend printing off a small section of the "blueprint" decal and sticking it on the outside of the barrel, then putting the Dr.Grip over that.
You know what would be sick, is a RED version of the blueprint. I like the grips the way they are, itd be so dope to have a matching set. I guess youd just have to change the insert and the gripcuts/O-rings.
Anyways great job so far Cris and look forward to what you come up with next! -
Date: Tue, Nov 3 2009 00:31:36QUOTE (fletch @ Nov 3 2009, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The insert, while really cool design-wise, isn't the same quality as the Rasta/Jade prints. Those were glossy, with deep darks and bright colors; the blueprint looks fine from 3 feet away but up close the insert looks a bit worse, the shading colors on rough-textured paper creates kind of a faded-denim look. The design deserves better! Also, the insert itself is kind of rolled-up so that where it overlaps, the print ends up looking sloppy with a big "cut" through the picture. I don't know if theres an easy fix for this (sticker on a straw, then insert the straw?)
I kinda saw those things, only it's not sticker-on-a-straw, but the straw itself has the design. -
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 03:20:10
that would look really cool if it was kind of transparent... so it looked blue if light shone through it
anyways I know Cris' mission was to make the perfect spinning retractable, I don't know if hes there yet, but as far as I can tell this is the best spinning retractable available to buy right now. I think if it was a little bit lighter it would be perfect. -
Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 03:23:43QUOTE (chrisPS @ Nov 2 2009, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I kinda saw those things, only it's not sticker-on-a-straw, but the straw itself has the design.
thats not how it works.
Its the insert itself that you need to create would be seamless
meaning that both the top and the bottom of the insert corrispond with eachother when the insert is rolled up.
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Date: Wed, Nov 4 2009 20:38:56QUOTE (fletch @ Nov 2 2009, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I had to re-register after UPSB went down , used to be Trashmanf.
just wanted to review my new "Blueprint". I have been buying Cris' Modrods since he started his company, and its really interesting to watch your guys feedback go into his future versions. I f'in SUCK at spinning but heres my review from the standpoint of a modding enthusiast.
Pros:
The overall color scheme matches great, the insert and the blue grips + translucent dr. grip works for me.
New one-piece barrel is MUCH easier to spin then the Rasta/Jade style, C.o.G. is closer to center as well
Combination of O-rings, grip cuts and dr grip cone-style catches fingers well on bak-fall tyle moves, and O-ring protrustion makes a nice pivot point for wipers/infinitys etc
The retractable mechanism is robust and precise. Have dropped it plenty and it doesn't rattle or jam.
Cons:
Some of the construction doesn't stand up well to close inspection - for example the "M" on the crown of the back of the pen is an incredibly cool idea, but looks a bit hacked up close. Maybe rather than carving those out of the existing clips, sand it down to flat, then find a "M" you can stick-on?
Also, some of the grip cuts have minor defects in them - basically it looks like I did it not that bad, it just doesn't look as precise as if the right tool did it. I don't know if it's unreasonable to expect better, I've ordered lots of pens from Pendolsa Science and they have similar problems, same as getting pre-made mods from PenWish, stuff like an Airfit grip isn't cut *exactly* clean, theres a little nub here and there...
The insert, while really cool design-wise, isn't the same quality as the Rasta/Jade prints. Those were glossy, with deep darks and bright colors; the blueprint looks fine from 3 feet away but up close the insert looks a bit worse, the shading colors on rough-textured paper creates kind of a faded-denim look. The design deserves better! Also, the insert itself is kind of rolled-up so that where it overlaps, the print ends up looking sloppy with a big "cut" through the picture. I don't know if theres an easy fix for this (sticker on a straw, then insert the straw?)
Finally this might be really nit-picking, but where the retract button end-cap meets the barrel , you can see the smear of the glue pattern through the Dr.Grip on the opposite side of the pen by the tip, the see-through Dr.Grip looks really cool because you can see the Blueprint insert through it. I would recommend printing off a small section of the "blueprint" decal and sticking it on the outside of the barrel, then putting the Dr.Grip over that.
You know what would be sick, is a RED version of the blueprint. I like the grips the way they are, itd be so dope to have a matching set. I guess youd just have to change the insert and the gripcuts/O-rings.
Anyways great job so far Cris and look forward to what you come up with next!
Fletch,
thank you for the great review. Best one I have seen thus far. Thank you also for all your support as we labor to produce the best retractable spin pen in the world. Let me take some time to address the "cons" one by one.
re "M" - yeah, making that "M" consistent time and again is proving to not be worth it - especially since now we have moved the rear grip further back for max performance. From here on out we are just shaving off the clip completely.
re "grip cuts" - as you can probably tell, I am a perfectionist, and therefore the less than perfect grips cuts bug the heck out of me. I have been able to make some improvements recently in this area, but the fact of the matter seems that it is impossible to cut them so perfect that they look factory - which again I hate. Now, bearing the grip cut problem in mind, I think it time to open up a discussion on o-rings. Here goes.
In the past the UPSB has made it clear there is a very strong bias against o-rings. I have to come to agree with a few of the tenants of the bias, but emphatically believe that the o-ring has a place in modding, if it is used correctly.
Now, after much debate, I have come to agree that o-rings are not the best for use where the fingers will grab to do infinity style moves, therefore a grip of all o-rings is not too good an idea.
Also, I agree that too many rings, with too many colors is just too busy. I get it.
Those concessions made, I absoultely insist that we as spinners and modders have to open our eyes and realize that the use of o-rings is a very natural fit for the modding of a pen. Here are my arguments.
#1. O-rings don't have to be cut. As we were just discussing, cutting grips leaves lots of rough edges. O-rings do not. They are smooth and always the same. This makes them very ideal to have a very clean looking mod without the rough edges. Much more professional, and much easier to apply.
#2. O-rings are great for making weight adjustments. Having a balanced mod is very important to me. O-rings make it very easy to add or remove weight in order to achieve a balanced mod. This is much harder to do with grip cuts, because of the consistency problems with the cut.
#3 O-rings are EXCELLENT for adding color to a mod to make it look great while spinning. As we all know, rings or bands around a mod show up very well when spinning. O-rings are the natural answer to the problem. They are easy to change, and come in a variety of colors. Matter of fact, I would like to take this time to introduce something that I have not seen before on mods - colored glow-in-the-dark o-rings. Check it out.
Now, this is the first time I have seen glow-in-the-dark in o-rings with the exception of the light green. I was very excited to find these, but did have to do some work to find them at a reasonable price, as mostly the rings have been used in body jewlery, and therefore are usually pretty expensive (I have seen them from .75 to $2.00 each - OUCH!). I was able to buy some in bulk in order to get a reasonable price to use the rings on mods, and to sell them on the website (will be posted later today).
Now, another thing I need to clear up is that these are true glow-in-the-dark in that you do NOT have to have a blacklight to use them. All you have to do is "charge" them under a regular light bulb for a short time, and then turn out the light. They glow like a champ. The manufacturer of these rings touts that they last 10 times longer than most glow-in-the-dark products. I put them to the test and charged them for 20 seconds, and then turned off the light. I was very surprised to learn that they continued to glow for greater than 5 mintues. Very impressive considering I did not even charge them with the black light.
Now, about the blacklight, the advantage of the black light would be that the rings will glow at max radiance for the entire time the light in in the general vicinity of the rings. It also may tweak the colors a bit, but the main advantage of the black light is that you do not have to recharge the rings, and also you can see your hand a little bit, which would make it a bit easier if you were making a youtube video.
Here is a mod we made a few days ago to utilize the rings. We used the green and orange together as their colors are extremely vibrant. The photos were taken under regular lighting, black light, and also in complete darkness.
modrod eVo | Trinity
So, imo, it's very hard to throw out o-rings completely from modding as being too cheap, or not appealing. While spinning under a blacklight, or in the dark is not something done all the time, it's still fun to have it as an option that is easily achieved by adding or removing a few rings.
re inserts - I have to promise you we did not cheap out on your insert. That was digitally printed professionally, and not on a home printer. I do realize they do not quite "pop" like the old ones did, but the Rasta and Jade labels of old were printed on a special metallic label that cost $350 per run, which would no doubt be over kill since now the insert is inside the barrel.
Now, we have been hard at work over the last few weeks and do have several new designs to post. Let me know what you think of them.
Oh, and one last thing. The decoupage technique might be the solution for those reallyy wanting a very high quality insert inside the modrod. The process entails taking a photo out of a magazine or comic book, and then cutting it to size. After that you dip it in water (yep!), and gently lay it on the white insert (the water makes it more pliable), which is covered in a very thin glue. After you let it dry overnight, you come back in put a couple of coats of varnish on it. This brings out the colors, and also hardens the insert. It takes a little time to do it right, but really leaves you a very special insert, that can be made of pretty much any kind of picture you can find in a magazine.
Thanks again Fletch.
cris -
Date: Thu, Nov 5 2009 01:38:13
yep yep. it looks pretty cool to me homie
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Date: Thu, Nov 5 2009 02:32:38
omfg i want those o-rings
Just wish they lasted a long time and didn't need to be "charged". Glow sticks don't do this
No blacklight either -
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 05:47:23QUOTE (Nachoaddict @ Nov 4 2009, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>omfg i want those o-rings
Just wish they lasted a long time and didn't need to be "charged". Glow sticks don't do this No blacklight either
@ colin,
re "too much grip" - I agree. I was experimenting with the grips cuts and went one too many.
@ tushix,
problem is that Dr Grips are very expensive, and thus to make it work we have to buy in bulk. We went with the whitish ones because they go with everything. The clears one would too, and I think that Fletch's solution would be a good one. Problem is that I don't have any idea where to get the clear Dr Grips. Does anyone here have a good source? tia
@ ZU,
the tip of the modrod is .6g heavier than the clicker end. For that reason we have been cutting the Dr Gips into 2 sections leaving 1/3 rd and 2/3 rd's. This solves the weight issue, and really I have not heard that there is still not plenty of room left on the grip. Do you not hold the grip pretty close to the very end?
@ fletch,
re "The retractable mechanism is robust and precise."
Have to agree 100%. I have dropped my eVo many, many times right on hard concrete and one has not failed yet. Maybe a dent or two, but nothing major. I can certainly say that I believe that the eVo is about as durable a mod as you can make.
@ nachoaddict,
glad you like the rings that much.
re "recharging" - at least it's free and there is no limit to how many times it can be done.
Alright, time to drop some more new designs. We call this one the "Dreamscape". It comes in three different effects, and the blue one just happens to be fluorescent.
Should be available on www.modrod.biz tomorrow.
Thanks and Happy Spinning.
cris
P.S. The modrod eVo | Max Performance Pro coming very soon. As good as the eVo already spins, we just made it even better. Barrel weight reduced, and the weight moved to the tips. We also have a new accessory that will allow modders to drastically increase or decrease the momentum of the pen. This new accessory will add some nice "bling" as well! -
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 06:16:36
PLEASE tell me you arent going to use more white dr grip grips...
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Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 06:31:49QUOTE (+Guitrum+ @ Nov 6 2009, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>PLEASE tell me you arent going to use more white dr grip grips...
Guit,
the pens with white ones are selling pretty good, but I did say I would like to get some clear ones as well.
Thanks and Happy Spinning.
cris -
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 07:15:49QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 5 2009, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Guit,
the pens with white ones are selling pretty good, but I did say I would like to get some clear ones as well.
Thanks and Happy Spinning.
cris
invest in more of a variety
*hint* dye the grips so they arent just eye-searingly white -
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 14:06:09
@ Guit,
funny you should say something about modrod seeming to be redundant when I just looked in your shrine (including the link where you help us with the ever burning question: What is Guitrum spinning today? ") and out of 20 mods pictured, 19 of them have miffy bodies.
Not to mention that 10 out of 20 have white bodies.
As you were saying?
cris -
Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 23:04:20QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 6 2009, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As you were saying?
cris
Don't diss on the well-established community members?
I think IROC's mod is the best one i've seen so far... practically looks like its not a modrod =D =P but seriously, its quite aesthetically appealing and looks very spinnable and cheap to produce.
The glow in the dark o-rings look nice and all.. but its a cheap gimmick kinda deal... you know? i'd like to know how bright they actually glow, and whether or no you used a longer exposure on your pictures. In any case, they wouldnt look too great in daylight but i suppose they would bring a whole new life to "dark" spinning. though i think spinning a glowstick is more awesome =D
have you tried using white bodies? or basically not-clear bodies... just saying, some ppl prefer the solid color bodies cuz they have a softer feel and all...
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Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 23:40:57
I think all guit was saying is to change the look of the mod. guit may use miffy barrels a lot but it is #1 a solid barrel that most people consider a great barrel and many different mods can be made with the same body for example miffy can use to make kt, product sc, silver sk and other mods. G3 barrel is used to make a ton of variety that all look different. You can have the same barrel and be a completely different mod; i think that is what guit is trying to say.
Also just a quick note you should remove the airfit rings on the mod you are selling if they aren't going to be included or aren't going to be available separately just to avoid confusion
Also Bonkura colors are skyblue and pink not blue and pink =pQUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 6 2009, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@ Guit,
funny you should say something about modrod seeming to be redundant when I just looked in your shrine (including the link where you help us with the ever burning question: What is Guitrum spinning today? ") and out of 20 mods pictured, 19 of them have miffy bodies.
Not to mention that 10 out of 20 have white bodies.
As you were saying?
cris
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Date: Fri, Nov 6 2009 23:56:57
oh and just saying the dr grip tips on your website are not the ones used commonly by pen modders
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Date: Sat, Nov 7 2009 00:16:08QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 6 2009, 06:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@ Guit,
funny you should say something about modrod seeming to be redundant when I just looked in your shrine (including the link where you help us with the ever burning question: What is Guitrum spinning today? ") and out of 20 mods pictured, 19 of them have miffy bodies.
Not to mention that 10 out of 20 have white bodies.
As you were saying?
cris
yea i think penwish said it all.
but basically i make lots of different mods and use similar pieces to get different effects. all im saying is you're making ONE mod and overusing the white grips.
and please, do more research before you attempt to flame seasoned members/modders that way you wont look so foolish!
ps: please stop posting the link to this thread in soyp. the reason why it was opened was so you wouldnt spam in there so much so dont advertise as well...
if members want this thread, they know where to find it -
Date: Sat, Nov 7 2009 01:25:19QUOTE (Winterlocke @ Nov 6 2009, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Don't diss on the well-established community members?
I think IROC's mod is the best one i've seen so far... practically looks like its not a modrod =D =P but seriously, its quite aesthetically appealing and looks very spinnable and cheap to produce.
The glow in the dark o-rings look nice and all.. but its a cheap gimmick kinda deal... you know? i'd like to know how bright they actually glow, and whether or no you used a longer exposure on your pictures. In any case, they wouldnt look too great in daylight but i suppose they would bring a whole new life to "dark" spinning. though i think spinning a glowstick is more awesome =D
have you tried using white bodies? or basically not-clear bodies... just saying, some ppl prefer the solid color bodies cuz they have a softer feel and all...
Hey Winterlocke,
re "well-established community members" - I say don't dish it out if you can't take it. I think my point well made. Very interesting to me that that person had not one positive thing to say, but instead seemed quite biased. Is fair and balanced too much to ask for?
re glow-in-the-dark rings - they are just a fun option that can be added or removed very quickly. I think a few videos would be cool, and I intend upon making one or two in the near future.
Regarding their glow, they are very bright for about 30 seconds. After that they have a strong workable glow that does not fade quickly. I had some photos with the rings glowing much brighter, but elected not to use those in order to be more true. All the colors glow quite bright, with the exception of the fushia. It glows ok, but only after a very strong charge.
Last thing on the rings, I think the daylight colors to look really good. Probably like them even better than any of the other colors I have been able to get.
Here is the first look at the modrod eVo | Max Performance Pro. A full gram has been removed from the barrel, by removing the heavier insert, and using Origami paper instead (it's extremely light). Also, rings special made for the modrod out of stainless steel and niobium have been added to put the weight on the ends. The larger rings weigh .6g, and the smaller rings weigh .3g. As pictured this Pro weighs exactly 20.9g, but it can be easily reduced to 19.7 by the removal of the larger ring from the front, and the two smaller rings in the back (one ring of .6g needs to remain on the rear for balance purposes, as the Pro grips are cut 50/50). The coloration of this first Pro is in pink and blue in honor of Bonkura.
Thanks and Happy Spinning.
cris
P.S. Stainless steel rings small and large, as well as the eVo Pro in three colorizations (white with silver rings, green with green and silver rings, and pink with blue and silver rings) will be available on www.modrod.biz soon. The rings will fit on any eVo.
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Date: Sat, Nov 7 2009 01:27:51QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 6 2009, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Here is the first look at the modrod eVo | Max Performance Pro. A full gram has been removed from the barrel, by removing the heavier insert, and using Origami paper instead (it's extremely light). Also, rings special made for the modrod out of stainless steel and niobium have been added to put the weight on the ends. The larger rings weigh .6g, and the smaller rings weigh .3g. As pictured this Pro weighs exactly 20.9g, but it can be easily reduced to 19.7 by the removal of the larger ring from the front, and the two smaller rings in the back (one ring of .6g needs to remain on the rear for balance purposes, as the Pro grips are cut 50/50). The coloration of this first Pro is in pink and blue in honor of Bonkura.
Spoiler:
Thanks and Happy Spinning.
cris
P.S. Stainless steel rings small and large, as well as the eVo Pro in three colorizations (white with silver rings, green with green and silver rings, and pink with blue and silver rings) will be available on www.modrod.biz soon. The rings will fit on any eVo.
old news is old
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Date: Sat, Nov 7 2009 01:48:36
Honestly, the modrod is not that great. Its just a retractable stick with grips and an insert. Im not trying to be mean, but you are trying to pretty up a stick with random grips/rings/etc. And at the same time, trying to insult a true modder. Wow, you came up with one good mod, dont try to pretty that one up over and over and over.... make something new! I know you can!
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Date: Sat, Nov 7 2009 02:52:04
While Dr grip is the #1 grip that most people consider a great grip..and many different mods can be made with the same grip...for example Dr grip grip can be used to make kt, silver ck, firefly, minwoo sc and other mods. And the White dr grip grip is rare! and quite appealing..I think that is what cris wants to bring up..
QUOTE (Penwish @ Nov 7 2009, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think all guit was saying is to change the look of the mod. guit may use miffy barrels a lot but it is #1 a solid barrel that most people consider a great barrel and many different mods can be made with the same body for example miffy can use to make kt, product sc, silver sk and other mods. G3 barrel is used to make a ton of variety that all look different. You can have the same barrel and be a completely different mod; i think that is what guit is trying to say.
Also just a quick note you should remove the airfit rings on the mod you are selling if they aren't going to be included or aren't going to be available separately just to avoid confusion
Also Bonkura colors are skyblue and pink not blue and pink =p -
Date: Sat, Nov 7 2009 02:56:01QUOTE (Penwish @ Nov 6 2009, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think all guit was saying is to change the look of the mod. guit may use miffy barrels a lot but it is #1 a solid barrel that most people consider a great barrel and many different mods can be made with the same body for example miffy can use to make kt, product sc, silver sk and other mods. G3 barrel is used to make a ton of variety that all look different. You can have the same barrel and be a completely different mod; i think that is what guit is trying to say.
Also just a quick note you should remove the airfit rings on the mod you are selling if they aren't going to be included or aren't going to be available separately just to avoid confusion
Also Bonkura colors are skyblue and pink not blue and pink =p
@ penwish,
it's not really so much what guit said, but how he said it. Nothing really more to say.
re airfit rings - I agree. Just more work to make a new photo and new new collage. I have a blueprint to mail out to Australia tomorrow, and I included two of the new stainless rings for free. I will redo the photos in the near future.
re Bonkura - I will check and see if I can get them made a little lighter. Just happy to have the colors on the metal rings.
@ simplex - yeah, I know that usually the tips are the ones from the pencil mod. Personally I like the ones we have better as the tip is not sharp. They do have nice weight, and work just fine - not to mention they are $1 cheaper then the ones on penwish. That would be a $2 savings per mod. Not too shabby, imo.
@ guit,
I think we have said all we need to say on that matter.
re "spam" - not eveyone knows where the the modrod thread, and I think the link convient. Also, I am just doing it as a courtesy to the mods so that junk converstations like this one are not clogging up the sypo again. Case proven.
@ mystic,
it is impossible to make eveyone happy - and that's a fact. In the mean while we are striving to make improvements on the eVo such as: new grips, new inserts, glow-in-the-dark o-rings, and metallic o-rings. Not sure if you have ever brought a product to market before, but research and development costs are a killer. Sales of the eVo are steadily improving, and we will certainly be setting aside money for another mod sometime in the future.
re "the modrod is not that great" - some may say that and some may say the complete opposite. None of that really amounts to anything other than opinion until we at least see what can be done with it in the hands of a professional spinner.
cris -
Date: Sat, Nov 7 2009 03:07:30
Please note that that the dr.grip tip has nice weight but is not the same as a japanese dr.grip tip which is heavier and is imported from Japan which is 5 grams.
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Date: Sat, Nov 7 2009 06:51:43
I want a lighter version! It's also a good idea to sell lots of different sized rings so modders can purchase them instead of ripping target pens apart like I am, trying to learn to make a new mod haha.
I am not sure about the glow-in-the-dark orings, I agree it has the potential to feel "gimmicky"... if it is tastefully done subtly I think it could be a nice cheap easy way to add a visual enhancement though! but I don't really spin in the dark ever (altho I might if I had a glowing pen)
Uhhhh so yeah you guys are going to laugh, I dont know more than like 4 different pen spinning moves but I tried to make a video of me spinning the blueprint!
enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VHsKyKkOes
edit: just noticed "guitrim" is from washington state, do you live around the seattle area? I would love to meet up and spin with some better skill level then me! I live in kent... we're about to get flooded. -
Date: Sat, Nov 7 2009 06:56:48
the spinning effect from the white-ish dr grips looks horrible.
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Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 03:37:49QUOTE (Penwish @ Nov 6 2009, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Please note that that the dr.grip tip has nice weight but is not the same as a japanese dr.grip tip which is heavier and is imported from Japan which is 5 grams.
@ penwish,
5 grams, wow. You sure about that?
@ fletch,
you can make your eVo a full gram lighter just by pulling out that heavy duty insert. I know most modrods are stout at 20 to 21 grams, but I think we will see a shift in more people spinning that weight since that is what many of the pros are using.
re ""gimmicky" - funny you should say that as some people think the entire concept of pen spinning is "gimmicky". I do not. I believe that it is a sport, since it takes skill and practice, as well as there are organized competitions. I know most do not think of it that way yet, but I think we all need to being stressing it, because the perception becomes the realitiy.
Everyone agrees that darts is sport, but cannot any drunk in a bar hit a double bullseye, or triple twenty in a few dozen throws? Would like to see that same drunk perform a shadow in 10 times that many attempts. :-)
But anyways, the glow-in-the-dark o-rings are just another aspect of the sport that may or may not take off. Our business approach at modrod is long term. Unlike other companies that have tried and failed we do not need to be an overnight success, because we do not have a huge amount of debt of overhead that has to be paid each month. We are developing our product while we wait for true demand to hit the states. Right now, we sell 4 to 1 modrods internationally as we do in the U.S, and most of the ones we do sell in the U.S. are to people with Asian names. Seems very appartent that most American kids are not spinners yet. We believe that sometime in the next 5 years it will ignite in the states. During that time we are going to work on making the eVo the best it can be, and as affordable as it can be.
re video - great job! I'm very impressed how much progress you have made in such a short time. Think the card manipulation tricks helped a bunch?
Thanks also for including the link. Would you like some free Trinity for your effort? Might make a really cool video against that black background.
@ xspin,
so you a take shot at modrod without even giving a newbie some credit for some pretty nice spinning?
Ok, so about the grips, we are using Dr Grips. Are you saying you do not like Dr Grips? How do you feel about the transparent ones that TEK used? Gonna say that are bad as well just because you have a bias against modrod?
@ penmaster,
great points. Thank you for not being a modrod hater. Takes a lot of guts at the moment.
Thanks and Happy Spinning.
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Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 03:50:56QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 7 2009, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@ xspin,
so you a take shot at modrod without even giving a newbie some credit for some pretty nice spinning?
Ok, so about the grips, we are using Dr Kt grips. Are you saying you do not like Dr Kt grips? How do you feel about the transparent ones that TEK used? Gonna say that are bad as well just because you have a bias against modrod?
Personally though the white is eye searing like guitrum said, it doesn't look as bad as you guys make it sound. The clear ones would look nice also though...
Where do you get the grips?
Also they are dr. grips not dr. kt grips.
Also please change the dr grip tip on the site to another name. Correct me if I'm wrong but those don't look like dr. grip tips... -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 04:00:36
the whole modrod can't cost 11$ to make as it claims. mcmastercarr sells barrells for 2.50 retail and that impact is 1$ and bic click is ..75c
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Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 04:03:27
New Japanese dr.grip with tip shaved off is 4.1 grams and slightly higher with the tip. So not quite five but still adds over a gram in total mod weight. Also this is pilot dr.grip grip not kt grip. The KT stands for keityo or keityo styled pen the original dr.kt mod did not use the grip at all. just fyi
perhaps off topic but i doubt everyone thinks darts are a sport. Maybe in the south of the usa. Most people don't consider video gaming a sport and that has a much broader audience.QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 7 2009, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@ penwish,
5 grams, wow. You sure about that?
@ fletch,
you can make your eVo a full gram lighter just by pulling out that heavy duty insert. I know most modrods are stout at 20 to 21 grams, but I think we will see a shift in more people spinning that weight since that is what many of the pros are using.
re ""gimmicky" - funny you should say that as some people think the entire concept of pen spinning is "gimmicky". I do not. I believe that it is a sport, since it takes skill and practice, as well as there are organized competitions. I know most do not think of it that way yet, but I think we all need to being stressing it, because the perception becomes the realitiy.
Everyone agrees that darts is sport, but cannot any drunk in a bar hit a double bullseye, or triple twenty in a few dozen throws? Would like to see that same drunk perform a shadow in 10 times that many attempts. :-)
But anyways, the glow-in-the-dark o-rings are just another aspect of the sport that may or may not take off. Our business approach at modrod is long term. Unlike other companies that have tried and failed we do not need to be an overnight success, because we do not have a huge amount of debt of overhead that has to be paid each month. We are developing our product while we wait for true demand to hit the states. Right now, we sell 4 to 1 modrods internationally as we do in the U.S, and most of the ones we do sell in the U.S. are to people with Asian names. Seems very appartent that most American kids are not spinners yet. We believe that sometime in the next 5 years it will ignite in the states. During that time we are going to work on making the eVo the best it can be, and as affordable as it can be.
re video - great job! I'm very impressed how much progress you have made in such a short time. Think the card manipulation tricks helped a bunch?
Thanks also for including the link. Would you like some free Trinity for your effort? Might make a really cool video against that black background.
@ xspin,
so you a take shot at modrod without even giving a newbie some credit for some pretty nice spinning?
Ok, so about the grips, we are using Dr Kt grips. Are you saying you do not like Dr Kt grips? How do you feel about the transparent ones that TEK used? Gonna say that are bad as well just because you have a bias against modrod?
@ penmaster,
great points. Thank you for not being a modrod hater. Takes a lot of guts at the moment.
Thanks and Happy Spinning.
cris
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Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 04:04:00QUOTE (Nachoaddict @ Nov 7 2009, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Personally though the white is eye searing like guitrum said, it doesn't look as bad as you guys make it sound. The clear ones would look nice also though...
Where do you get the grips?
Also they are dr. grips not dr. kt grips.
Also please change the dr grip tip on the site to another name. Correct me if I'm wrong but those don't look like dr. grip tips...
They are Dr. Grip Neon grips which can be found in America. This is also where he gets those Dr. Grip tips. -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 04:43:03QUOTE (Nachoaddict @ Nov 7 2009, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Personally though the white is eye searing like guitrum said, it doesn't look as bad as you guys make it sound. The clear ones would look nice also though...
Where do you get the grips?
Also they are dr. grips not dr. kt grips.
Also please change the dr grip tip on the site to another name. Correct me if I'm wrong but those don't look like dr. grip tips...
@ Nachoaddict,
thanks for the catch. Made the corrections.
re tips - no need to change the name on the site, as those are no doubt Dr Grips. The difference is that are from a pen and not from the pencil so the tip is not sharp to stabilize the lead.
I changed the price to $2.95 until I can get my hands on a japanese Dr Grip.
@ guit,
would you please give us a link to where we can get the impact RT for even close to $1?
Also, where is your estimate of the ink cartridge and parts needed for the extension?
Also, how about the cost of the Dr Grips? Can you find them cheaper than $5.95?
Also, how about the cost of the brass motor bearing that is used for counter weight right next to the clicker?
Also, the price of the paper straw insert?
Also, the price of digitally printing the inserts?
Also, the price of o-rings?
How about the price of labor the time it takes to assemble a modrod, or do you think that the pieces just magically put themselves together out of pure love and attraction for one another?
Oh, and last, and certinaly NOT LEAST, please tell us the hourly charge for a machine shop as they ream out the brass motor bearing to correct ID, and put the correct threads on the polycarb, and then to ream out the other side to the correct ID to fit the clicker, and the proper length for the ink tube.
When doing your machine shop calcuations please don't forget that the prices need to be for a U.S. machine shop making a small quanitity (last run was for 110 eVo's - which is nada).
Let's see if you can step up and give give us some lucid answers to the above questions since your intent is clear.
@ penwish, thanks for the excellent response. If you are saying that the shaved Dr Grip is 4.1g, then actually the difference is only .5g, since the tips we have weigh 3.6g.
re sport - just read an article that said that Darts may very well be in the 2012 Olympics. Would you not like pen spinning to recognized as a sport? It starts with us.
@ ion,
we have used a neon on a Trinity mod, but that is not what we are using. Here is photo of what are are using.
dr grip photo
cris -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 04:46:31QUOTE (ION @ Nov 7 2009, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>They are Dr. Grip Neon grips which can be found in America. This is also where he gets those Dr. Grip tips.
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Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 04:48:33QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 7 2009, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@ ion,
we have used a neon on a Trinity mod, but that is not what we are using. Here is photo of what are are using.
dr grip photo
cris
That's the same thing with a different body... I only said Neon because that is the one that is most widely available. -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 04:53:23
oh wowwwwww
modrods look so much better now
its like... very very nice
the design is amazing
the glow in the dark thing is pretty cool
just one thing tho, can you make light modrods too?
cuz arent they all over 18g?
thats the weight of dr kt and not everyone spins heavy mods
i do get that the standard is changing but theres a lot of people who like light mods
excuse my ignorance if you are already making light mods
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Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 05:04:52
http://cgi.ebay.com/12-UNI-BALL-GEL-IMPACT...=item5ad4a32393
Will sell for less than 1$ each. Now that’s settled.
Ink is something that every real modder/spinner has excess of so cost is 0$. Now that’s settled.
Start a supplier contract with pilot. Less than 4$ for American dr.grips. Now that’s settled.
brass motor bearing get it at home depot they have all size available. Now that’s settled.
he price of the paper straw insert. You got me there. My bad $0.10
Digitally printed inserts are no better than high dpi printer with high quality paper. So draw since depends on opinion
Search O ring on ebay or Oh! Rings. Few hundred for few bucks.
http://www.meereindustries.com/gitd.htm Even better glow in dark and normal o rings 2-4 each.
Honestly labor ? Screw on tip put in ink and smash in bic clicker and then put on grips. Try a real mod like even a simple ayatori or key3 which takes actually cutting grinding skills.
Machining cost is not hourly charge it is per unit at most shops. And the id of the modrod is a common ID that all machine shops have. For a commonly used ID there should be no excess cost of maching the barrel -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 05:18:24QUOTE (+Guitrum+ @ Nov 7 2009, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>http://cgi.ebay.com/12-UNI-BALL-GEL-IMPACT...=item5ad4a32393
Will sell for less than 1$ each. Now that’s settled.
Ink is something that every real modder/spinner has excess of so cost is 0$. Now that’s settled.
Start a supplier contract with pilot. Less than 4$ for American dr.grips. Now that’s settled.
brass motor bearing get it at home depot they have all size available. Now that’s settled.
he price of the paper straw insert. You got me there. My bad $0.10
Digitally printed inserts are no better than high dpi printer with high quality paper. So draw since depends on opinion
Search O ring on ebay or Oh! Rings. Few hundred for few bucks.
http://www.meereindustries.com/gitd.htm Even better glow in dark and normal o rings 2-4 each.
Honestly labor ? Screw on tip put in ink and smash in bic clicker and then put on grips. Try a real mod like even a simple ayatori or key3 which takes actually cutting grinding skills.
Machining cost is not hourly charge it is per unit at most shops. And the id of the modrod is a common ID that all machine shops have. For a commonly used ID there should be no excess cost of maching the barrel
Guitrum,
Would you please stop flaming Cris. He is trying really hard at this and is doing fairly well imo. Have some respect since he risked alot of his money to try to start a penspinning business. I dont see you doing anything similar. Just grow up. Even if you think he is doing terrible just keep your mouth shut. Or at least state your opinions in a nice way jesus. -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 05:31:06QUOTE (N00B Spinner @ Nov 7 2009, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Guitrum,
Would you please stop flaming Cris. He is trying really hard at this and is doing fairly well imo. Have some respect since he risked alot of his money to try to start a penspinning business. I dont see you doing anything similar. Just grow up. Even if you think he is doing terrible just keep your mouth shut. Or at least state your opinions in a nice way jesus.
well i would begin to call you a noob but that just seems alittle redundant...
im simply just stating the facts. i believe heavily about the truth in advertising.
and i am being nice have a great day
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Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 06:27:35QUOTE (ION @ Nov 7 2009, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That's the same thing with a different body... I only said Neon because that is the one that is most widely available.
@ ion,
actually they are quite different. The neon is much thinner and has a colored rubber sleeve under the grip that gives it the "neon" color.
@ SJ,
thanks for the kind words. I will make the lightest modrod eVo I can in the next few days that is still what I would consider high performance. I'll post it here when I get done.
@ guit,
lmao, what about basic math? $12.95 divided by 12 pens is $1.079.
Also, I would think a modder would have good attention to details. Shipping is NOT FREE. The cost of shipping is $4.66 per order, and they do not come off it because the pens are very heavy so shippiing is very expensive. That means the cost is 1.47 each, so you are off by 47%.
re ink - again, attention to details. We are not talking about how you would make the modrod, we are talking about the way modrod makes it, and we don't use table scraps as that would make the ink cartridge weak as the joint would have to be in the middle. That would also add a lot more to the barrel weight in a very bad way as it would move it towards the middle. We use the longest ink cartridge on the market so that it will last a long time, and so that it is done right. That may not be the way you would to do, but it is the way all modrod eVos have been constructed.
re "supplier contract" - lol, sure it's just that easy. You want to loan us the $25k that is required to start a supplier contract?
re motor bearing - ok then, what is the size of bearing we use, and what is the price of it? Not cool to make accusations without being precise.
re paper straw - ok then, what is the size of straw we use, and what is the price of it including shipping costs? Not cool to make accusations without being precise.
re printing - I don't have a high dpi printer, and once again choose to not "half-ass" the product. What is the cost to digitally print a label so that you can be accurate, since I am sure you will give a grand total to what you are saying, or atone for your mistake.
re orings - you need to list the exact sizes and materials that they are made of as that is one of the things that determines the cost. Shipping is always a factor as well, since none of the rings are made locally.
re meereindustries - their minimum order is $1600 and that is only for one color. We have 5 colors available. You really expect a startup company to spend $8000 on one small part of their product?
re labor - ordering parts is labor. Going to Office Depot to buy parts is labor. Dropping off and picking up parts at the machine shop is labor. Cutting the 8' polycarb into 7 inch lengths is labor. Washing the cutting oil off the barrels is labor. Grinding the clips off the clicker is labor. Designing inserts is labor. Cutting grips is labor. Making extra long ink cartridges is labor (which you have to admit is process you you have no idea about, nor the time it takes). Cutting out inserts is labor. Making 110 of anything is a whole lot of labor.
The way you want to just dismiss a companies labor costs as ZERO is completely unbelievable. You do realize that is what you just said, right? Might want to rethink that statement as it just does not seem very perceptive.
re machine shop costs - honesty, guit, you just don't know what you are talking about. We have walked this road, and have a product on the market so you can't bluff us. Pricing per unit does not start until you get into several thousands, and if we had that kind of money to invest we would get them made in China. We saved shipping by using a local shop here in Memphis, and their pricing was competitive for a very small order. We paid $790 for the first order of 110 barrels, which did include the cost of the polycarb, the cost of the bearings, the cost of the workup, and a micometer ($50).
Please show us all your math, because it seems you are calling me a liar. Surely you would not do that without at least taking to time to be sure you are right.
The only right thing to do here is either prove your math, or admit your error.
cris
P.S. None of the reaming or the threads are common. Very funny to me that you do not even own a modrod, but seem to know more than we do about how to make them.
@NOOB Spinner,
a sincere thank you. -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 06:34:55
congratulations
you have a sincere fan who's name is Noob spinner.... -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 06:41:24QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 7 2009, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@ ion,
actually they are quite different. The neon is much thinner and has a colored rubber sleeve under the grip that gives it the "neon" color.
I beg to differ, http://p.office1000.com/vp1/36141PIL.jpg, the Neon refers to the brightly colored translucent body same exact thing as the pen you use except the body. Maybe you were confused with Dr. Grip COG? Because that has a thin grip and a rubber under grip. -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 06:49:19
well. Just since I'm curious I did get a quote for everything that a modrod body without grips (not that I'm making it yet=p) and it was about 5.50 each. but that was a quote for 500 machined poly tubes. Slightly more or less depending on the weight in back end.
Just a few tips for ya
Negotiate on everything. Impact RT easily had for 0.75$. Uni, Pilot, Sanford do have high 25k requirements but their wholesalers do not and dr.grips can be had much less than 6$. Also shop around on the machining those prices are really high; try getting various quotes. -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 06:50:22QUOTE (ION @ Nov 8 2009, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I beg to differ, http://p.office1000.com/vp1/36141PIL.jpg, the Neon refers to the brightly colored translucent body same exact thing as the pen you use except the body. Maybe you were confused with Dr. Grip COG? Because that has a thin grip and a rubber under grip.
Hummm, guess you are right. My mistake. Is the grip clear on the neon? tia
cris
@ penwish,
I'm able to get a deal here or there on RT's, but nothing consistent. Heck, at Ofice Max 4 RT's are $10 for comparision. Could you please show me a link where you can get RT's for .75, because I really can't see it. tia
cris -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 07:26:28QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 7 2009, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hummm, guess you are right. My mistake. Is the grip clear on the neon? tia
cris
@ penwish,
I'm able to get a deal here or there on RT's, but nothing consistent. Heck, at Ofice Max 4 RT's are $10 for comparision. Could you please show me a link where you can get RT's for .75, because I really can't see it. tia
cris
Nope, same exact ones as you use. -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 08:24:17
Okay, let's settle this. Cause seriously, this argument is pissing the shit out of me.
Let Cris do whatever he wants, we gave him advice, we gave him links, we wrote walls of texts. Enough.
The Dr.Grip that Cris uses is the French Dr.Grip pen. The grip is somewhat powdery, but pliable. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is from my personal experience.
Impact RT's at RETAIL price is expensive; 2.50$ per pen. HOWEVER, buying in bulk MASSIVELY reduces prices.
As well as BIC Clic Sticks. Or however theyre spelled. Theyre cheap in general, you can get them for free from promotional stores, etcetc. You can probably get them off of BIC (not from stores, the actual company) in bulk for about like what, a quarter each?
Cris, you need to find cheaper resources rather than using retail prices. Look into the actual companies that sell the products.
And I agree with Guit, there isnt much labor involved. I agree that in OUR retrospect (lol fancy) it easy, because we make mods one by one.
But all you really need to do is
1)extend inktube (you dont have to use shrink tube, that requires alot more money. toothpicks are alot cheaper and effective in extending inktubes.
2)shove that (what was it, a ring from a car engine? i forgot) ring into the bic stic mech
3)screw on the tip
4)put in the inktube with spring, and shove in mech
Sorry. This is just getting too fucking ridiculous. Spinning is meant to be something all of us can enjoy, in our spare time, etcetc. It should not get to the point where posts are longer than my essays.
/end rant -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 18:16:19
the arguments arent relevelent
to me I dont know a dr. grip from a dr. KT and if it's japanese or american, IDK its better than the last grips and it works fine so far for me.
I was more interested in the counter-weight discussion, so with the recent improvements to reduce barrel weight, can we get a lighter counter weight? then to balance out the other side, what about a different tip or a drilled-out same tip, whatever would work...
finally I was thinking about what you said on the really long ink cartridge - I dont know about you guys but I dont do that much writing with spinning pens, could it save a bunch of weight to cut the ink cartridge WAY down (like %50 or more) or is that out of the question?
thanks Cris! glad you liked the video, I'll try to post up a better one soon. edit: just noticed your question, I think card manipulation could help, not a ton though, PS requires lots more speed! I accept your offer for a Trinity (is that the neon glowing rings?) can you just throw it in next time I order? that would save us both some shipping.
I'm still workin on an LED mod for your pen btw XD it doesnt work yet though -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 19:46:23
My bit of feedback on the newest modrods.
I'll point out the obvious things.
1.)Grips. Cloudy Dr. Grips with bright colors generally not the most eye-catching. It simply is not a good color-scheme, nor is dr. grips a worthwhile investment especially for the current French dr. grips. With the way the modrod is balanced having less dr. grip on the front and almost 2x that amount on the back looks very odd and completely backwards from almost every single sided mod. The clear japanese dr. grips would look a bit nicer, but you will still run into the same issue of "bulky"-looking grip. The weight of the modrod EVO on the stock is simply too heavy to have that kind of grip on it and still have it practically nice to spin with.
2.) Glow in the dark rings/inserts; I think they're a cool concept. They look nice in the dark, but those are really more of a novelty item than they are for everyday spinning. The same can be said about Pendolsa's Science mod. People have it, but they don't really spin it. No offense in anyway, but I personally don't think you're a big enough presence to start bringing in novelty mods and still make money from them.
3.) New rendition of the modrod. I think it's great that you're going back and trying to fix the weight/balance issues since that is the core problem of EVO. The barrel itself is simply just too heavy as is. I have modded the stock modrod evo pen quite extensively and I can say for a future version I would suggest milling the front part down like an rsvp. That way you can get flush grips and less frontal weight. People can always add weight to the front to make it heavier, but when trying to add weight to the clicker end there is very limited options--especially to keep it aesthetically pleasing.
4.) Material costs and labor. Don't try and defend your current pricing scenario, people are always going to want things cheaper, faster, better, etc. (Just ignore them) However if costs seem a bit high and people are willing to help you find cheaper solutions, hear them out. Good example being Penwish, he's been around for a good amount of time and knows quite about manufacturing. If somebody even suggests other alternatives it can't hurt to look into them. Labor-costs however purely based on the market you're in. When partially pricing products based on labor for a relatively cheap product is a bit of a stretch. You really need to keep in mind that this demographic is lower-teens and they don't understand what it means to put time into a product or how it translates into expenses.
Hope that helps a little bit without any arguments
Regards,
iMatt -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 20:18:37
very nice!
The modrods are looking better and better. But can you make it so that it there is more grip towards the front of the pen, and less towards the back? It looks a bit... "lopsided" right now. -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 21:01:58QUOTE (Penwish @ Nov 8 2009, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well. Just since I'm curious I did get a quote for everything that a modrod body without grips (not that I'm making it yet=p) and it was about 5.50 each. but that was a quote for 500 machined poly tubes. Slightly more or less depending on the weight in back end.
Just a few tips for ya
Negotiate on everything. Impact RT easily had for 0.75$. Uni, Pilot, Sanford do have high 25k requirements but their wholesalers do not and dr.grips can be had much less than 6$. Also shop around on the machining those prices are really high; try getting various quotes.
@ colin,
the point of the indepth discussion was not what someone could make a modrod for if they had a large enough budget to buy in bulk. The point was the discussion of the cost basis for the modrod's I have already made, and what they cost to make them. My word was apparently not good enough, so I'm just saying that he needs to show an itemized list of where I am wrong, or retract what he has said.
Our cost basis will go down as we move forward. That does not mean that I do not have at least $11 in every pen that leaves the company until we do a second run. Truth be told, if you include labor costs, it's actually much higher.
And colin, your list is certainly not complete and this all goes into making a modrod.
Going to Office Depot to buy parts is labor. Dropping off and picking up parts at the machine shop is labor. Cutting the 8' polycarb into 7 inch lengths is labor. Washing the cutting oil off the barrels is labor. Grinding the clips off the clicker is labor. Designing inserts is labor. Cutting grips is labor. Making extra long ink cartridges is labor (which you have to admit is process you you have no idea about, nor the time it takes). Cutting out inserts is labor. Making 110 of anything is a whole lot of labor.
All that you see above is factored into the cost basis of making the pen. All that takes many hours, and cannot be just dismissed if you want an honest cost. Either I have to do those things, or I have to pay someone else to do it. Either way it's a cost.
Colin, just imagine if you, everything you would have to do to get all the parts needed if you had to produce 110 modrod blueprints. I think then you might see how many steps you would have to take to make it happen. Don't just look at it as if all the parts had already been purchased and machined and were laying there for you to put together.
@ penwish,
probably time to put something on the record. In the spirit of pen modding we have no problem with anyone making an eVo for their own private use. They can even buy a modrod and mod it with grips cuts and the like and auction if off for whatever they choose. No problem. What would be a problem is if someone tries to copy the eVo to sell it without licensing from modrod. That, of course, would be stealing, as we have much sweat equity, and cash equity in the research, marketing, and development of our product. I don't think that anyone thinks that is fine, and I believe even the toughest modrod haters would have to agree it's not right.
Case in point, when we first started making mods, we tried to change the Science 1.5 (cyon) to make it our own. Didn't work. No matter how many vast improvements we came up, it did not matter to the group conscience. All they could see is a cyon, plain and simple. Same thing would happen if someone tried to make a eVo and just use a different clicker or tweak the tip. At the end of the day it would still be an eVo, and I think it would stand up, which is what counts because a civil case would be asking a jury if they think the invention the same, or completely different. If they say it's the same, then it is - no matter how many improvements or changes made. This is the lesson I learned with the cyon like mod, and why I feel confident that nobody can just remake the eVo with a different tip or grip or insert or clicker and think they are not going to have problems.
Here is a photo of a modrod eVo.
This is the eVo, and it has not changed one bit. The grips and inserts have changed all over the place, but the eVo itself has not. That is why if you will notice all the pens on the modrod site are first called "eVos" followed by the name of the individual design. This is no different than having different colors and features of the same car. At the end of the day, the model is the same.
One of the steps needed to apply for a patent was CAD drawings of the idea. A licensed Memphis engineering firm completed our drawings about two weeks ago. Now we can apply, with the date on the drawings as being our insurance, along with our records of the date of the first sale of an eVo.
I hated to have to say all that, but it just needed to be done since obviously there is a whole lot of very indepth conversion about how the modrod eVo is made just by the nature of this thread. I can see where it might be real tempting to just take a micrometer and just take all the measurements we worked so hard to get. The eVo looks very easy to make now, but hindsight is 20/20. A whole lot of trial and error went into getting it together in one neat and orderly package. I certainly do not think that anyone expects us to just allow penwish, or any other company to make money with our product without paying us our royality.
And penwish, your estimate is way low as was ours when we first started. The eVo cannot just be simply reamed out as you might expect. The wall has to be made much thinner, and the process generates a lot of heat. That heat will melt the barrel in the process, and thus a special machine has to be used to used prevent it from melting. That means the pen has to be made on two different machines which doubles the time it takes. I know this because I have already been down the road way ahead of you.
Last of all, if you (or anyone else for that matter), can get eVo parts for dirt cheap then why not do it and sell them to us? That would be a win/win for us all as it would allow us to sale eVos for a cheaper price, and still make it worth while.
Sincerely,
Alton Criswell
November 8, 2009 -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 21:35:03QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 8 2009, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Spoiler:
I totally know where you're going with what youre saying.
Im just saying though, all of us have to travel somewhere to get our parts.
For example, lets just say youre making a Marker Fusion Mod.
You have to drive to Office Depot to pick up Fusion markers (2 for 4$ +9.75% tax)
Get Crayola thin Markers (~3$)
2x American Dr.grips (7.50 each at Target)
Signos (about 1.50 each)
Drive back (gas is ~3$ a gallon for unleaded, its about 2 to 3 miles back)
Make it, push outthe backplugs, etcetc.
Minimum wage here is about 8.50 (or so i believe)
Thats about 30 some dollars (too lazy to calculate, eating at the moment) to make one mod, even though Guitrum says its around 15-20 dollars for parts
I do understand cris, we all do. Its just that your product is alot more complex because it uses a custom baarel.
We're just trying to help out and explain to you what our opinion (the consumer) is, and how we're trying to help you. Most of us are (if not all) modders to some extent; shaving down G3 barrels, cutting grips, teflon-ing tips together, its all labor. However! Most of us do NOT put the ACTUAL cost of labor into the cost of the pen when trading or selling the pen.
I sold my MP Ayatori for 20 dollars. I took off shipping because it was about a buck fifty.
The thing is, it composed of:
1 Uni Lakubo (1.85$)
2x Signos (2x1.50)
1 Laknock (1.85)
Double Action MP (1.50$)
Hyperjell (1.85$)
HGG backplug (~35 cents)
That is around 11$ for parts.
That is IT. BUT, I put ALOT of effort in making the pen.
Blowing out the ink of the Lakubo inktube in order to extend it so lead can be inputted, cutting the tip of the Lakubo so that the MP mechanism will fit through the lakubo, supergluing the mech/signo tip on, the gripcut, printing out inserts, cutting them to the correct length, trimming the clip, that is all the labor.
But only 9 dollars "profit" you may ask?
I spent a good hour and a half working on it. Thats 8.50x1.5, thats about 12.75$ right there. But I did not put that into consideration because 20 dollars is already ALOT compared to the actual price.
Now I believe Penwish sells his Ayatori's for 15.50$, but he has a business to run, and so do you. He can get the parts cheaper than retail price, because he sells the parts for some profit on his website.
We all cant make major profits like Microsoft, or TEK. I remember talking to Penwish on why the prices were so high, and from what I remember, he said:
"We dont make much profit, there's the labor costs, the importing/shipping fee, etcetc."
I remember him telling me it was around 0.50-2 dollars profit, at most.
To tell you the truth, selling pens (especially in this economy, and community. Penspinning is filled with jobless teenagers [no offense to you older peoples]) will not make you a big profit.
The only reason PenDolSa makes such a huge profit is because they provide a large assortment of products that are not commonly available to us. Textless Dong-A Sign Pens are not available to the average person, nor are Comssas easily accessable because they are impaorted.
Comssas do NOT come textless, nor white (they do, but not the same), but PDS provides that. They ahve a large assortment of mods, grips, modparts, etcetc.
(He does make SOME ugly mods though, I have to admit, but people still buy them because they use parts that people have a good knowledge of)
Please take this post into consideration, because I will not remember any of this once i post this
[wow, i really dont remember what i typed >_> ] -
Date: Sun, Nov 8 2009 22:31:51QUOTE (Colin @ Nov 8 2009, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I totally know where you're going with what youre saying.
Im just saying though, all of us have to travel somewhere to get our parts.
For example, lets just say youre making a Marker Fusion Mod.
You have to drive to Office Depot to pick up Fusion markers (2 for 4$ +9.75% tax)
Get Crayola thin Markers (~3$)
2x American Dr.grips (7.50 each at Target)
Signos (about 1.50 each)
Drive back (gas is ~3$ a gallon for unleaded, its about 2 to 3 miles back)
Make it, push outthe backplugs, etcetc.
Minimum wage here is about 8.50 (or so i believe)
Thats about 30 some dollars (too lazy to calculate, eating at the moment) to make one mod, even though Guitrum says its around 15-20 dollars for parts
I do understand cris, we all do. Its just that your product is alot more complex because it uses a custom baarel.
We're just trying to help out and explain to you what our opinion (the consumer) is, and how we're trying to help you. Most of us are (if not all) modders to some extent; shaving down G3 barrels, cutting grips, teflon-ing tips together, its all labor. However! Most of us do NOT put the ACTUAL cost of labor into the cost of the pen when trading or selling the pen.
I sold my MP Ayatori for 20 dollars. I took off shipping because it was about a buck fifty.
The thing is, it composed of:
1 Uni Lakubo (1.85$)
2x Signos (2x1.50)
1 Laknock (1.85)
Double Action MP (1.50$)
Hyperjell (1.85$)
HGG backplug (~35 cents)
That is around 11$ for parts.
That is IT. BUT, I put ALOT of effort in making the pen.
Blowing out the ink of the Lakubo inktube in order to extend it so lead can be inputted, cutting the tip of the Lakubo so that the MP mechanism will fit through the lakubo, supergluing the mech/signo tip on, the gripcut, printing out inserts, cutting them to the correct length, trimming the clip, that is all the labor.
But only 9 dollars "profit" you may ask?
I spent a good hour and a half working on it. Thats 8.50x1.5, thats about 12.75$ right there. But I did not put that into consideration because 20 dollars is already ALOT compared to the actual price.
Now I believe Penwish sells his Ayatori's for 15.50$, but he has a business to run, and so do you. He can get the parts cheaper than retail price, because he sells the parts for some profit on his website.
We all cant make major profits like Microsoft, or TEK. I remember talking to Penwish on why the prices were so high, and from what I remember, he said:
"We dont make much profit, there's the labor costs, the importing/shipping fee, etcetc."
I remember him telling me it was around 0.50-2 dollars profit, at most.
To tell you the truth, selling pens (especially in this economy, and community. Penspinning is filled with jobless teenagers [no offense to you older peoples]) will not make you a big profit.
The only reason PenDolSa makes such a huge profit is because they provide a large assortment of products that are not commonly available to us. Textless Dong-A Sign Pens are not available to the average person, nor are Comssas easily accessable because they are impaorted.
Comssas do NOT come textless, nor white (they do, but not the same), but PDS provides that. They ahve a large assortment of mods, grips, modparts, etcetc.
(He does make SOME ugly mods though, I have to admit, but people still buy them because they use parts that people have a good knowledge of)
Please take this post into consideration, because I will not remember any of this once i post this
[wow, i really dont remember what i typed >_> ]
@ colin,
excellent post. Points well made. Only thing I would add is that one way that Pendolsa makes a whopping profit is the outrageous shipping charges. Last time I ordered $23 was the cheapest.
Oh, and one more thought, did yousee the KUZU ice that went for $70? Obviously the profit margin was huge on the parts, but maybe not so much if you took into account the hours spent in making the grip. I would say it's a clear case where the market paid out in recognition of the time in labor.
@ fletch,
I take my eVo everywhere I go and write with it all the time. I am hoping that future pen spinners will do the same, so it's made with them in mind. And really not sure how to make the ink shorter anyways as it has to reach the clicker.
re counter weight - it's actually a little too light, as the tip is still .6 heavier. Just remove the insert, and you take out a full gram. That should make your eVo blueprint exactly 19g and should make it even better to spin since it all comes off the barrel. See what you think.
@ imatt,
excellent, EXCELLENT post, imvho. Well thought it, and well delievered. Not argumenative. Thank you.
re grips - with the new metal orings the grips can now be equally cut, so that should make it look better. Also, I like the OD of the eVo with the Dr Grips, and think it looks the best. TEK started this trend, and really seemed to spin it well on the ends, so it really makes me think it's a good OD. I would even guess thats it's about the same OD as a Dr. KT. Could you measure them and compare?
At the end of the day, perhaps clear grips would work best as you could see the insert all the way to the tip, and because clear grips would seem less bulky.
re glow rings - I really need some youtube videos of spinning under a black light. A trinity is just an eVo with some glowing rings, and some special paint.
If it never takes off them we will just not order any more o-rings. Not out too much to take a shot at something new.
re weighting - the lighter the barrel the better, but in doing that you give up strength. My main concern was making it so that it would not break, because if it did modrod would certainly get a bad name. Maybe we can go thinner. I will certianly try. In the mean while the barrel weight kinda dictates the weight range that is needed to be high performance. Looks to me that the lightest a modrod needs to be is perhaps 18g. Of course, that could be improved upon if someone did barrel cuts to remove weight. Might try that soon.
re expenses - even though often I argue my case, I certainly read and try to put use anything that is said about modrod. Surely you have noticed the move from all the orings as grips. That said, I have certainly traveled down those paths myself, and its not as cut and dry as some would think . That is why I already know it cost $25k to become a distributor. I have also contacted other distributors, and have been able to get deals on some of the parts, but nothing even close to say the 75 cents for a RT as penwish suggested. All I have to say is that if it's so easy then why doesn't anyone give me a link, or a number to call to prove it. Just saying it's so it does not make it true, but talk is cheap, if you know what i mean.
re labor - think of it this way. What if I suddenly get an order for 1000 pens and they need them in 2 weeks time. No way in the world we can fill that order without hiring help. That help will cost money. We hope to have that problem sometime in the future, and thus cannot act like it's not something that has to be factored in as a cost.
re demographic - you hit the nail on the head. That said, I still think that it's not too much to expect exchanges such as the one that you wrote that are fair and balanced, and delivered with grace. I have an even greater respect for you because of your approach, as you seem like a true professional.
cris
modrod has just made it's premier on the world stage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRozFHeqNxg -
Date: Mon, Nov 9 2009 01:48:39
I think that minwoo spinning the modrod is a giant step for themodrod
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Date: Mon, Nov 9 2009 01:50:25QUOTE (N00B Spinner @ Nov 8 2009, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think that minwoo spinning the modrod is a giant step for themodrod
minwoo only spins good mods ie a KT or his own mod that he made for himself -
Date: Mon, Nov 9 2009 01:53:34QUOTE (+Guitrum+ @ Nov 8 2009, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>minwoo only spins good mods ie a KT or his own mod that he made for himself
Clearly you haven't seen GPC's qualification collab. -
Date: Mon, Nov 9 2009 02:23:24QUOTE (+Guitrum+ @ Nov 8 2009, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>minwoo only spins good mods ie a KT or his own mod that he made for himself
You said it.
minwoo only spins good mods...
Agree!!
World Cup Collab Video | Minwoo spinning modrod eVo
@ NOOB,
agree 100%. Huge breakthrough. I could not be more excited as minwoo is a world class spinner of whom everyone loves and respects.
@ AwonW,
no doubt!
cris -
Date: Thu, Nov 12 2009 16:18:04
In my opinion, Cris is really daring to start a business in this (not so popular) pen modding sector, so stop flaming him yo, he put in so much effort to run this little business. =)
Alright, I would like to present to you, and the rest of the UPSB batch one of my designs for this contest. It was indeed, a pain to assemble, take apart, assemble again the modrods, but hey, I'm all for this contest.
modrod eVo - design 1
2 x Pilot Nextage grips
3 x 'small' O-rings
4 x 'large' O-rings
I had two spare Pilot Nextage grips lying around, so I experimented with them and came up with this design. I decided to use O-rings on this design since you (modrod) has a ton of O-rings, so I guess it's really accesable to you. I chose not to place an insert of any sort in there, because in my opinion, it looks really elegant like that. This design involves no cutting of the grips, so don't worry about any disgusting gripcuts. I originally wanted the Nextage grip to cover part of the tip too, like everyone else's design, but I realized that makes it ridiculously hard to unscrew the tip. So this design makes it relatively easier to change an insert/ inktube. And you could sell the leftover tip on your website too, since its also rather heavy and looks a bit more like a Japanese Dr.Grip tip.
modrod eVo - design 2
1x Dong-A Anyball/Papermate Profile grip
2x Uni Signo DX grip
this was actually one of the very first designs that popped into my mind when this contest was organized. I love this design very much, most of all because of it's flexibility. Uni Signo DX's come in a very large variety of colours, so you can change the grips to your heart's delight! I apologize for the low quality insert, for my printer is old lol. The anyball grips makes infinities easier too. You could sell the Signo metallic tips on your website, because it is a very commonly used material in the world of pen modding. ^^
modrod eVo- design 3
The first look at TEK's modrod, I almost gave up hope, but then I thought: 'Hey, since all the contestants' designs' grippage are double sided, why don't I make a single-sided version?' So hey, look below this block of text!
Here's a modrod pretending to be a Seven G3 mod:
And here's my final design of the modrod, trying to be sexy like the Kuzu G3 mod:
(like my gripcut? x])
So you see, a single sided mod is achieved with the usage of a cut Hyperjell cap, some anyball grips and another grip. This greatly increases it's performance (because most spinners spin G3 mods, this variation of the modrod has the look and the length of a G3 mod), looks (single sided mods are the sexiest mods in the world, hands down) and it's extremely customizable. The possibilities are (almost) infinite my friends.
And that concludes my first batch of designs for the contest. Batch two will come up soon! Right after I brainstorm. xP I apologize beforehand if you think I have wasted your time by the viewing of these modrods, and I really appreciate for taking your time to view this post. I've taken a lot of time and effort writing (and rewriting) this post, I hope you've enjoyed it! Feel free to throw your shoe at me, or drop me a flower!
Best of luck to the rest of the contestants!
BloorA -
Date: Thu, Nov 12 2009 16:22:15
Sexy.
I really love all of them. -
Date: Thu, Nov 12 2009 20:21:27
@Bloora, Really good job!
The KuZu themed modrod I think has some good potential. My only concern is the stability of the hyperjell cap on the top if after awhile when the grips loosen up will the cap start to slide a bit since it's just on paper?
Looks like I'll have to step up my game -
Date: Thu, Nov 12 2009 22:54:59
i havent personally spun modrod. but the design is getter much better. he made a great pen so please stop flaming. guit i know your good spinner etc. but mod rod i feel has potential and even if you think that it sucks.......which i doubt you have even spun it y do you have to openly say its bad ugly etc. in my opinion go to tutorials approved many of those pens dont spin near as well as mod rod. also mod rod looks good (getting better) is retractable, and is custumizeable more then any other pen. also if you dislike cloudy grips. buy mod rod and use a extra jap grip you have.I feel cris is doing a great job so everyone especially guit should stop flamming it.
Cris Keep Fine tuning and making better -
Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 02:59:02
@iMatt: Thank you!
The insert underneath the cap is actually wrapped around a few times to make it thicker to hold it on. Helps balance out the pen too.
And I gotta feeling this contest is going to get a lot harder.. o_O -
Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 03:01:29QUOTE (BloorA @ Nov 12 2009, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@iMatt: Thank you!
The insert underneath the cap is actually wrapped around a few times to make it thicker to hold it on. Helps balance out the pen too.
And I gotta feeling this contest is going to get a lot harder.. o_O
*sniff*
good job D: -
Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 04:08:01
I
Bloora's SEVEN modrod.
And I was planning to make a Kuzu Themed modrod -.- -
Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 04:52:02
i am much too lazy to read ALL the arguments posted before me but i express confidence that with some time and experience in the business, cris will find the cheapest suppliers for what he needs.
1.) new modrods are GREAT, particularly the glow in the dark model(s). the grip scheme reminds me of the f1r3fly mod and it works very well. like iMatt said, however, the cloudy grips DO take away from the aesthetic appeal slightly. cris, i do realize how hard it is to obtain massive quantities of Japanese Dr. Grips so maybe you can investigate another sub?
either way, thank you for listening to our incessant critiquing, the modrods are starting to achieve their full potential!
@BloorA: they all look awesome, way to be creative! i specially liked the orange mod, although its quite similar to iMatt's version -
Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 10:39:37
My modrod just arrived, and I'm quite happy with it (although I opened the package in school and my classamte tried to break it into 2 just to prove that it is made Lexan -.-)
Since my desired design was taken,(*cough*Bloora*cough*) I'm still thinking what design atm... -
Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 21:14:22
I like the kuzu wannabe
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Date: Fri, Nov 13 2009 21:46:18QUOTE (fletch @ Nov 13 2009, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I like the kuzu wannabe
yea bloorA did a great job on his mods, im really excited to see what else you guys can come up with. if you want a modrod template for the insert, shoot me a pm and ill get that for you. also regarding the dr grip grips, dont think that modrod doesnt have a few more tricks up our sleves
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Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 05:18:39QUOTE (BloorA @ Nov 12 2009, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>In my opinion, Cris is really daring to start a business in this (not so popular) pen modding sector, so stop flaming him yo, he put in so much effort to run this little business. =)
Alright, I would like to present to you, and the rest of the UPSB batch one of my designs for this contest. It was indeed, a pain to assemble, take apart, assemble again the modrods, but hey, I'm all for this contest.
modrod eVo - design 1
2 x Pilot Nextage grips
3 x 'small' O-rings
4 x 'large' O-rings
Spoiler:
I had two spare Pilot Nextage grips lying around, so I experimented with them and came up with this design. I decided to use O-rings on this design since you (modrod) has a ton of O-rings, so I guess it's really accesable to you. I chose not to place an insert of any sort in there, because in my opinion, it looks really elegant like that. This design involves no cutting of the grips, so don't worry about any disgusting gripcuts. I originally wanted the Nextage grip to cover part of the tip too, like everyone else's design, but I realized that makes it ridiculously hard to unscrew the tip. So this design makes it relatively easier to change an insert/ inktube. And you could sell the leftover tip on your website too, since its also rather heavy and looks a bit more like a Japanese Dr.Grip tip.
modrod eVo - design 2
1x Dong-A Anyball/Papermate Profile grip
2x Uni Signo DX grip
Spoiler:
this was actually one of the very first designs that popped into my mind when this contest was organized. I love this design very much, most of all because of it's flexibility. Uni Signo DX's come in a very large variety of colours, so you can change the grips to your heart's delight! I apologize for the low quality insert, for my printer is old lol. The anyball grips makes infinities easier too. You could sell the Signo metallic tips on your website, because it is a very commonly used material in the world of pen modding. ^^
modrod eVo- design 3
The first look at TEK's modrod, I almost gave up hope, but then I thought: 'Hey, since all the contestants' designs' grippage are double sided, why don't I make a single-sided version?' So hey, look below this block of text!
Here's a modrod pretending to be a Seven G3 mod:
Spoiler:
And here's my final design of the modrod, trying to be sexy like the Kuzu G3 mod:
Spoiler:
(like my gripcut? x])
So you see, a single sided mod is achieved with the usage of a cut Hyperjell cap, some anyball grips and another grip. This greatly increases it's performance (because most spinners spin G3 mods, this variation of the modrod has the look and the length of a G3 mod), looks (single sided mods are the sexiest mods in the world, hands down) and it's extremely customizable. The possibilities are (almost) infinite my friends.
And that concludes my first batch of designs for the contest. Batch two will come up soon! Right after I brainstorm. xP I apologize beforehand if you think I have wasted your time by the viewing of these modrods, and I really appreciate for taking your time to view this post. I've taken a lot of time and effort writing (and rewriting) this post, I hope you've enjoyed it! Feel free to throw your shoe at me, or drop me a flower!
Best of luck to the rest of the contestants!
BloorA
@ Bloora,
thanks for having the courage to stick up for modrod. We are honestly trying to bring new innovations to pen spinning, and also hope to help bring it into mainstream of American culture. Anyone that loves pen spinning should like the sport to get necognition, imo.
re mods - absolutely incredible how much time and passion you have already put in the contest. modrod sincerely thanks you for bringing your "A Game". Cannot wait to see what else you create.
P.S. How do you like the way that the eVo spins?
@ shakenbake,
thanks a ton for the good words. It's spinners like you that encourage us to keep trudging forward. We have been working very hard on two improvements that I think will shock and delight even the toughtest critics.
Oh, and you bring up an interesting point. Why do certain modders act like the grips are glued on the pen and can't be removed? Is it beyond their scope to just pull off the white grips and put on some clear ones? Is it really that hard? lol
Give us some time, and I think we have some things in store that will evolve the eVo a whole lot further.
@ sailorboy24,
thank you! Never gets old hearing great stuff about the eVo.
re "incessant critiquing" - it's ok. Barrett316 and myself talk about what is said quite often as we strive to improve the eVo. If you will notice, the designs posted on the website are completely different from the ones that were there when we started. This is because we listened to the group conscience, and came to agree that the grips needed to change, and that we needed less hand painted inserts, and more that were preprinted. Mission accomplished. Now the only hand painted designs are for the purpose of designs that are made to be fluorscent, or glow-in-the-dark.
We really like all the feedback, as long as it is delivered in a spirit to help. We ignore feedback that is just meant to hurt, and believe that the members of the UPSB are perceptive enough to see that kind of thing, and that kind of person for what it really is.
re grips - we believe we have found a few of clear grips, and will see what we think of them soon as they arrive. :-)
@ chrisPS,
it proves it's lexan because he could not break it! :-)
Very glad you finally got it. Looking very forward to seeing you mod.
@ UPSB,
just thought I would drop a few of the new Evo designs on the thread here. Don't flip out over the white grips, as we mainly just changing the inserts and o-rings.
eVo | Magma
eVo | Green Fire
eVo | Fire
eVo | Trinity
eVo | Trinity 316
All of these mods are now available on www.modrod.biz , as well as some new stainless steel modding rings.
Hope everyone has a great weekend.
cris -
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 05:53:13
They all are lookin great cris. The only problem is that the trinity is $40. I see you are will to make a profit but try to make it as cheep as u can to make so u still can sell for low price and get a good profit.
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Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 09:47:39
BloorA: What an amazingly innovative idea
Cut down the costs on a few of the pens though Cris :/... People once thought the Dr. KT (about $20 USD) was WAAAAY to expensive (which I still believe xD) -
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 23:19:03
Inserts are looking fantastic but it seems the grips and overall look of the modrod remains the same.
Try some new ideas like BloorA -
Date: Sat, Nov 14 2009 23:51:50
Uhhh... on your store, why can't I buy just a plain modrod now
Like one without any grips and stuff. Also, how long would it take to ship to New Zealand? -
Date: Sun, Nov 15 2009 01:08:19
eVo Magma looks HOT (pun intended)
I think with the same inner-rings grips (instead of the orings) as the blueprint and that will complete a sweet matching set for smeagol ... the precious! we wants it!!!
Also looking forward to checking out that trinity look. Magmas my favorite insert so far, great job on that one B314! -
Date: Sun, Nov 15 2009 01:40:01
I'm liking the new mods, Cris. 2 things, though:
The price: I know there is a huge debate on how much it costs to get the parts and labor and what not, but $40 for one is a bit excessive. I wouldn't even pay $40 for one mod, unless it is extremely well modded AND was spun by a WT/WC-class spinner. Don't forget, most of your clientele are teenagers, and some of us are trying to save money for our educations.
The White Dr. Grips: As nice as they are, you do overuse them somewhat. After seeing 4 out of the 5 mods that you just posted having them, I thought it was a little much. Try using some profile grips or other grips, especially some with different colors. -
Date: Tue, Nov 17 2009 04:10:29
Good evening to all. I have several messages that I need to reply to, but first I a would like to post this video real quick (if I can figure it out. lol)
This is a short video of several Trinity's in action under a black light. Please excuse some sloppy spinning near the end of the video, as it was made more to illustrate the vibrant colors that can be achieved under a black light. This video was made in correlate with PMWT's (Kam) newest video spinning a firefly with LED and black lighing. Kam's spinning is superior, but what else is new? :-)
Spinning modrod eVo | Trinity under a Black Light
Here is the link to Kam's video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loZpTMAbMv8
Sorry that the video is not sharper. Probably time to get a better camcorder.
cris
P.S. Will response to all previous comments in near post. Thanks! -
Date: Tue, Nov 17 2009 09:48:31
Alright, just a short post here to show you all a couple of my designs:
modrod eVo- design 5
1x Zebra airfit grip
1x Sailor grip
*optional* airfit metal rings
I've figured since you (modrod) probrably have a lot of zebra airfits lying around after using it's metal rings, why not use the grips as well? One particular thing I like about this design is how the sailor grips fits perfectly with the airfit grip, making it 'flush' with the grip. Apologies for the dirty airfit grip, I used an old one from one of my mods. It's also optional to sandwich airfir metal rings in between the airfit grips and the sailor grips. The sailor grip at the back is slightly longer than the front one, it helps with the COG.
modrod eVo- design 6
1x Zebra hyperjell
1x Dong-A Anyball/ Papermate Profile
Yes, I know this mod looks like the previous designs i've posted earlier, but I believe this design is better beacuse of several reasons:
1. its one of the cheapest modrod designs here. By maximizing the use of the Zebra Hyperjell by taking it's grip and cap, you save a good amount of money. Cool, da?
2. it is very flexible in terms of colour. Hyperjells comes in many, many colours, whereas anyballs comes in a sufficient amount of colours, so don't worry about colour limitations.
3. spins the best among the lot, like i have mentioned in my previous post.
4. look at how perfect the transition is between the hyperjell grip and the anyball grip in front there!
5. COP=COG!
I nicknamed this 'banana split' becaue hey, doesn't the colours remind you of that? lol
Alright, thank you for your time!
Do expect more designs from me, I'm not done with this contest yet! >=D -
Date: Tue, Nov 17 2009 16:51:00QUOTE (BloorA @ Nov 17 2009, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>modrod eVo- design 6
1x Zebra hyperjell
1x Dong-A Anyball/ Papermate Profile
Spoiler:
For 2 pens this is amazing. Looks really nice and v.cheap too. Good job! Overall (price/aesthetics etc) this would have to rate top, it looks brilliant and is cheap. And you said it spins best
Well ddone bloora
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Date: Wed, Nov 18 2009 08:55:38
incredible job BloorA, you are really doing some awesome mods. I'd really like to see if anyone else can step up and show what they've got.
princy princy, i haven't seen your mod mister, are you gonna do one for the contest, or let someone else take the crown? -
Date: Thu, Nov 19 2009 09:17:58QUOTE (BloorA @ Nov 17 2009, 04:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>modrod eVo- design 6
1x Zebra hyperjell
1x Dong-A Anyball/ Papermate Profile
Spoiler:
Yes, I know this mod looks like the previous designs i've posted earlier, but I believe this design is better beacuse of several reasons:
1. its one of the cheapest modrod designs here. By maximizing the use of the Zebra Hyperjell by taking it's grip and cap, you save a good amount of money. Cool, da?
2. it is very flexible in terms of colour. Hyperjells comes in many, many colours, whereas anyballs comes in a sufficient amount of colours, so don't worry about colour limitations.
3. spins the best among the lot, like i have mentioned in my previous post.
4. look at how perfect the transition is between the hyperjell grip and the anyball grip in front there!
5. COP=COG!
Holy shit!!!
I just lost my buster cyl... Sooooo making this style of mod rod -
Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 02:56:12
Hey cris do you have a better pic of the green fire mod? I was checking out your .biz site (lots of pens up now, nice!) Magma's still my favorite but I like the idea of the green fire, however the pic just looks like a black insert with a little lick of green at one end. is this just a photo issue or can you post a better pic of it? Thanks man!
Now I want a green and red to match my blueprint lol but it stops with primary colors or else I'll go broke. -
Date: Tue, Nov 24 2009 04:30:10
Huge compliments to BloorA, and all those that have entered. Please excuse my late responses to all your posts as I have been very busy. One of the things that have been working on is trying to decided upon the perfect grip for the eVo. Could everyone that reads that thread, and that feels they have a rational response tell me what grip they like best for infinity moves and WHY. This is a critical question as I want to buy enough of a certain grip to be able to lower the price of an eVo below $20. To do that it's gonna have to be VERY LARGE quanitity of grips. Before we take a bite that large, it has to be right.
At the moment the Dr Grip is obviously what we feel looks best, but do you think it also is best for infinity style moves?
Please sound out one and all, or don't bitch ( ) when we make a decision without your input.
Thanks a bunch, and Happy Spinning.
cris
P.S. Would love to see a serious debate on this topic, with perhaps videos proving why one grip performs better than another for infinity style moves. -
Date: Tue, Nov 24 2009 04:38:16
dr grips are good.
They turn pink after awhile though if you don't take care of them.
Sometimes they feel slippery but it's all made up for the weight it adds and the aesthetic appeal and can be easily cleaned too, unless it changes colour. i think there's no solution to that.
Sailors are good too. Many use sailors.
G2 vs Anyball, I'd say G2 because anyball one is more slippery than the G2 one. Anyball one is more versatile for modding though, and I don't think many people would mind the difference.
HGG grip is thin and used maybe if there's a narrow end like the front of the rsvp. If stretched too much, it becomes thin and it won't feel nice. The white one gets dirty and yellow very easily too. Other colours should be fine.
Spoko grips and impact RT grips are nice. I like the impact RT grips, the one that colin used, because they feel awesome. Nice and thick too. Can be abit stiff to mod with but I think it's fine. It only comes in black though.
I've not tried spoko grips but they feel similar to the impact rt grip but they have different shapes and come in alot more colours.
That's my opinion. -
Date: Tue, Nov 24 2009 06:49:52QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Nov 23 2009, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>dr grips are good.
They turn pink after awhile though if you don't take care of them.
Sometimes they feel slippery but it's all made up for the weight it adds and the aesthetic appeal and can be easily cleaned too, unless it changes colour. i think there's no solution to that.
Sailors are good too. Many use sailors.
G2 vs Anyball, I'd say G2 because anyball one is more slippery than the G2 one. Anyball one is more versatile for modding though, and I don't think many people would mind the difference.
HGG grip is thin and used maybe if there's a narrow end like the front of the rsvp. If stretched too much, it becomes thin and it won't feel nice. The white one gets dirty and yellow very easily too. Other colours should be fine.
Spoko grips and impact RT grips are nice. I like the impact RT grips, the one that colin used, because they feel awesome. Nice and thick too. Can be abit stiff to mod with but I think it's fine. It only comes in black though.
I've not tried spoko grips but they feel similar to the impact rt grip but they have different shapes and come in alot more colours.
That's my opinion.
Excellent post, Glamouraz. Could you not take the grip discussion even further and explain what would make one of those grips better than the rest when it comes to infinity moves? For instance, Dr Grips are flaired on the end. In your opinion, does that make it better or worse for infinity moves?
Also, just wanted to post a quick snap shot I took of an eVo I just made with clear Dr Grips. They were hard to find and ran me about $9 per grip, or $18 total since that is two grips used. Kinda makes it hard to imagine that a clear grip eVo will ever be a realitiy, but I still figured I would work one up real fast and see how it is received.
So, this mod is a prototype and not meant to be a finished product. I made a very quick hand colored outsert to put under the rear grip. There is also a blue metal o-ring in the middle of a grip cut in the rear to balance it out, since the grips are both of equal lengths.
All thoughts welcome.
cris -
Date: Tue, Nov 24 2009 07:06:21
Modrod:
The cleargrips are like 10x better.
Just some advice, use the community.
We're here, and willing to help so pleaseplease use our knowledge.
This is in reference to your "evolution" of the modrod.
Without constantly reflecting back to the community, you keep backstepping yourself, like you did on this last mod.
as always:
Get a different insert.
Use a better colorscheme.
I would HIGHLY HIGHLY suggest you employs/hire someone within the community to create inserts/colorschemes for all of your mods.
This type of approach give you a direct view of what the community wants EXACTLY, always gives you fresh inserts, and keeps you at the cutting edge (I suggest iMatt for quality inserts)
As well, come to the community for sources on WHERE to get pens.
Off the top of my head, I can think of a couple places where you can get dr.grips, and I know of a place where you can get wholesale WHOLE dr.grip pencils for about 5$ each, thats about half the price of what you're paying.
Most of us have been doing what we've been doing for at least a couple years, give us some credit for it.
Once again, my final thing would be to turn to the community, and use the main selling audience, as a main source. -
Date: Tue, Nov 24 2009 07:13:12QUOTE (Stevieboy7 @ Nov 24 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Modrod:
The cleargrips are like 10x better.
Just some advice, use the community.
We're here, and willing to help so pleaseplease use our knowledge.
This is in reference to your "evolution" of the modrod.
Without constantly reflecting back to the community, you keep backstepping yourself, like you did on this last mod.
as always:
Get a different insert.
Use a better colorscheme.
I would HIGHLY HIGHLY suggest you employs/hire someone within the community to create inserts/colorschemes for all of your mods.
This type of approach give you a direct view of what the community wants EXACTLY, always gives you fresh inserts, and keeps you at the cutting edge (I suggest iMatt for quality inserts)
As well, come to the community for sources on WHERE to get pens.
Off the top of my head, I can think of a couple places where you can get dr.grips, and I know of a place where you can get wholesale WHOLE dr.grip pencils for about 5$ each, thats about half the price of what you're paying.
Most of us have been doing what we've been doing for at least a couple years, give us some credit for it.
Once again, my final thing would be to turn to the community, and use the main selling audience, as a main source.
Agree all the way.
So you like the clear ones 10 times better. Wow, big difference. Do you like them 10 times better than other grips for infinity moves as well?
What I am trying to get a handle on is the exact shape that seems to work best for infinity's. The Dr Grip tapers. Is that the best?
Or is something like an airfit better? It's a clear grip, but it has no taper.
Also, the outer diameter of the Dr Grip is definitely larger than say and airfit. Would you say the Dr Grip outer diameter is perfect, or you would you say a smaller diameter would be better?
Thanks in advance.
cris -
Date: Wed, Nov 25 2009 10:47:10
I personally dont like the feel of dr.grip when performing infinity.
The reason for this is that dr.grip is too grippy for the pen to move smoothly for infinity?
I much prefer HGG, its smooth for infinity yet grippy enough to catch the pen on the grips.
Oh yeah, when I was reading SB7's post about the point of hiring for inserts.. I thought of iMatt's custom insert service =P. -
Date: Thu, Nov 26 2009 06:19:40QUOTE (WhiteBlue @ Nov 25 2009, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I personally dont like the feel of dr.grip when performing infinity.
The reason for this is that dr.grip is too grippy for the pen to move smoothly for infinity?
I much prefer HGG, its smooth for infinity yet grippy enough to catch the pen on the grips.
Oh yeah, when I was reading SB7's post about the point of hiring for inserts.. I thought of iMatt's custom insert service =P.
Hey whiteblue,
thank you very much for the comments. I have never tried an HGG on an eVo, and may need to give it a shot.
re inserts -
my business parter, barrett316 has a degree in graphic arts. He designed the Blueprint and the Dreamscape for the eVo, and will be redesigning the Rasta and Jade labels as well. Those labels combined with all the awesome ones that have already been posted here for the contest (oh and I have a feeling that several more will be hitting before it's all over) leave us with many options in the insert department. That is why now our primary focus is getting the right grips.
Of course, that does not mean I have given up on trying to really hit a home run, so here is another attempt by yours truly.
This is an eVo with a BACKBONE. ( Please excuse the pun. ). This is an actual X-Ray of a spine.
On the insert, you can also see the sacrum, part of the pelvis, five lumbar vertebrae, and two pairs of ribs.
On the clicker end, I made an outsert from the lumbar verts, and then ran them sideways.
See what you think.
Hope everyone has an awesome Thanksgiving.
cris
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Date: Thu, Nov 26 2009 06:26:39QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 25 2009, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Spoiler:
cris
oh my god soooo much better cris. the clear dr.grips really make it look clean and professional! really nice job. -
Date: Thu, Nov 26 2009 06:31:08
Now this is a product I would consider buying
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Date: Thu, Nov 26 2009 08:58:49
Clear dr. grips and good inserts are what are going to make Mod rods for you cris
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Date: Thu, Nov 26 2009 10:44:43
That last modrod is great!
Can you try an all white or all black or clear modrod with the last one?
I think the clear one would look weird with the inktube inside though..lol -
Date: Thu, Nov 26 2009 12:11:51
lol i looked at the x-ray insert and im like "oh crap sick.."
(sick not as in cool sick, as real sick >_>||)
but if u never told me its x-ray, i think it looks cool LOL -
Date: Thu, Nov 26 2009 15:37:54QUOTE (fletch @ Nov 14 2009, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>eVo Magma looks HOT (pun intended)
I think with the same inner-rings grips (instead of the orings) as the blueprint and that will complete a sweet matching set for smeagol ... the precious! we wants it!!!
Also looking forward to checking out that trinity look. Magmas my favorite insert so far, great job on that one B314!
@ fletch,
hoping to have some other colors of the blueprint in the near future.
re magma - thanks for the good words. I agree, and think it turned out great. I have a couple more clear grips on the way. When then get here will probably make one like the BACKBONE, except with the magma insert.
re green fire insert-
for some reason I can't get the photo of the insert into the collage. Here is a link to it.
green fire insert
the insert is really wider than you need. I think I should have cut it lower to include for light flames.
@ CPM8,
re price - this is something we want to fix, and are working hard to do so. We have one angle in the works that should help quite a bit, but it's still a few months off.
re grips - at some point we are going to have to choose a grip that is really the identity of the eVo. Kinda like all Dr KT's use the same grips. There has to be a standard so that we can buy the grip in bulk in order to lower the price.
Now, that does not mean we cannot still offer some of the eVo's that have been shown here, as several of them are just awesome. Probably once the contest is over we will look at the # of votes for each mod, and then make the ones that are cost effective.
@ teotoko,
thanks, it's getting there! I love, LOVE the clear grips.
@ kunlin,
thank you. Now we gotta get the cost down so that we can put them up for sale.
@ tushix.
agree 100%. The clear grips are unreal cool, and opens a lot of doors. We HAVE TO figure out how to get them, or something like them that is affordable. Period.
@ glamouraz,
are you saying make a BACKBONE just black and white?
@ whiteblue,
lol, at least it gets an emotional response!
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
cris -
Date: Thu, Nov 26 2009 15:41:49
modrod: That new modrod looks stunning! Absolutely fantastic. *thumbs up* Curiously, whose bones are they?
Anyways, I've got another design for you guys again (only one design, though) Do enjoy this one!
modrod eVo - design 7
"Blue Star"
12 x Yellow O-rings
2 x Blue O-rings
2 x Blue Dong-A Anyball/ Papermate Profile grips
This design is my personal favourite. I'm pleasantly suprised on how this design turned out, since I actually got my inspiration in the middle of the night and started cutting the grips in the dark o_O
But yes, I am proud of this design. This design manages to keep the iconic shape and feel of the Anyball grip, yet manages to pull off a new look with the O-rings. The O-rings' are suprisingly good for infinities, as they act as 'stoppers' to hang on to your fingers. I made that insert from scratch. I quite like how it contrasts the simple grips, gives it a rather trendly look hmm?
I believe this design is also another cheap(?) one, since it uses anyball grips which you get get in bulk cheap and O-rings which you guys have a whole box of it, which makes it pretty convenient, no? ^^
Comments are welcome, as always!
BloorA -
Date: Thu, Nov 26 2009 16:19:24
Very nice, very clean. I'm just wondering why you screwed up my gripcut the other time pfftt..
Nice use of contrasting colours. -
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 08:38:04
Knowing I'm quite short on money, and I has quite noob modding skills, I decided to stick with a simple design first...
Sorry, for quite noob photo-editing, but I hope this works...
After seeing Bloora's kuzu modrod, I decided to do something like it, but terribly failed. So, I decided to do.... "paper gripcuts", with original kuzu mod colors, so as to imitate it. After an hour, I realized my method doesn't work, so I was stuck to this design.
Materials:
2x Hyperjell Caps
1x Anyball/Profile grips
I love the spinning effect of this one (white). I'll be planning to do another design quite some time... If I have the money. -
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 20:41:35
yo modrod
you should try doing a giveaway
it usually gathers a lot of people
ya know what im sayin? -
Date: Sat, Nov 28 2009 21:55:49QUOTE (SJ @ Nov 28 2009, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yo modrod
you should try doing a giveaway
it usually gathers a lot of people
ya know what im sayin?
Not sure, what do you mean by a "giveaway"?
Also, you know we are running a $150.00 modding contest at the momentt, right?
@ ChrisPS,
thanks for your entry. Actually nice to see one done some simply.
I would think that Guitrium would love it.
cris -
Date: Sun, Nov 29 2009 01:08:44
Danngg!! BloorA, your ModRods are ah-mazing!
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Date: Sun, Nov 29 2009 01:19:36QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 28 2009, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not sure, what do you mean by a "giveaway"?
Also, you know we are running a $150.00 modding contest at the momentt, right?
@ ChrisPS,
thanks for your entry. Actually nice to see one done some simply.
I would think that Guitrium would love it.
cris
What he means is like a small 10 dollar giveaway where u do a raffle kind of like what pw is doing. I guess SJ has the impression that it will increase the amount of interest people give into your site = more potential buyers?
Dunno... a giveaway would be nice but I don't think it is really needed with the contest and all... -
Date: Sun, Nov 29 2009 06:09:10QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Nov 28 2009, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not sure, what do you mean by a "giveaway"?
Also, you know we are running a $150.00 modding contest at the momentt, right?
giveaway means giveaway...
like where you just give away 1 modrod
make a thread and let ppl post and pick a random number and thats the winner
ya no?
and modding contest consumes time and all...
just suggesting -
Date: Thu, Dec 3 2009 04:09:40
New insert for the eVo. See what you think.
cris -
Date: Thu, Dec 3 2009 04:29:34
Amazing insert. I think Bloora's blue and yellow one is win
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Date: Thu, Dec 3 2009 05:38:08
BloorA's blue and yellow Evo would be something I would have no hesitation in buying.
i really REALLY like his design.maybe for diversity, you could make some Evo's like that cris. with bright, contrasting colors and bold inserts. i feel as though the inserts being used atm are a little abstract and not quite strong enough
@SJ, loved the south park reference if thats what it was. do you know what i am saying? -
Date: Thu, Dec 3 2009 22:52:59QUOTE (SJ @ Nov 28 2009, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>giveaway means giveaway...
like where you just give away 1 modrod
make a thread and let ppl post and pick a random number and thats the winner
ya no?
and modding contest consumes time and all...
just suggesting
I say it'd be better to have a tourny where participants are only allowed to use modrods. Spread the use of modrods and give some nice modrod prizes at the end. This does a lot of advertising as good spinners spinning a modrod helps advertise its use and result in more people buying modrods. Not only that, but to join the tourny, people are gonna have to buy some modrods (if they didn't have one already).
BloorA's pen is nice, but all the insert is just paint brush spam. You guys are whack. -
Date: Thu, Dec 3 2009 23:10:30
that's what's going on now.
That's why you have this thread for the people to post their modrod.
Prize is $150 -
Date: Fri, Dec 4 2009 15:54:26QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Dec 3 2009, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>New insert for the eVo. See what you think.
Spoiler:
cris
I like Bloora's new blue/yellow for the same reason I don't really like this new one - it seems a bit graphically "busy" with all the blues and lines and stuff, maybe it looks better in person. Just my opinion but I prefer kind of "line design" type art that pops more visually rather than really complex art.
I am still working on my mod rod version but am not going to make the deadline for the 150, unfortunately! good luck to you guys! my favorite it still either TEK's (nice clean insert, clear grips FTW) or one of BloorA's simpler mods which I think should look good and be cheap
off topic what the heck is wrong with this website? half the time I try to come here its IPS server error -
Date: Mon, Dec 7 2009 12:09:04QUOTE (fletch @ Dec 4 2009, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I like Bloora's new blue/yellow for the same reason I don't really like this new one - it seems a bit graphically "busy" with all the blues and lines and stuff, maybe it looks better in person. Just my opinion but I prefer kind of "line design" type art that pops more visually rather than really complex art.
I am still working on my mod rod version but am not going to make the deadline for the 150, unfortunately! good luck to you guys! my favorite it still either TEK's (nice clean insert, clear grips FTW) or one of BloorA's simpler mods which I think should look good and be cheap
off topic what the heck is wrong with this website? half the time I try to come here its IPS server error
cris great new mod rod. i love the insert and dr. grip grips. id say it least as good as most of the mod rods for the competition
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Date: Mon, Dec 7 2009 13:30:36QUOTE (fletch @ Dec 4 2009, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I like Bloora's new blue/yellow for the same reason I don't really like this new one - it seems a bit graphically "busy" with all the blues and lines and stuff, maybe it looks better in person. Just my opinion but I prefer kind of "line design" type art that pops more visually rather than really complex art.
I am still working on my mod rod version but am not going to make the deadline for the 150, unfortunately! good luck to you guys! my favorite it still either TEK's (nice clean insert, clear grips FTW) or one of BloorA's simpler mods which I think should look good and be cheap
off topic what the heck is wrong with this website? half the time I try to come here its IPS server error
whoa...that was great mod -
Date: Mon, Dec 7 2009 21:17:28
are you going to sell a evo with dr. grip grips? (japenese version)
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Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 04:54:24QUOTE4. Each insert has to be done digitally, and cannot be done by hand. This insert must be posted here on this thread, with the understanding that by posting it here they are agreeing that modrod or anyone else can reproduce the image for private or commercial use forevermore.
The inserts I used:
for the rest I used coloured paper. Good luck to all! -
Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 15:45:56QUOTE (BloorA @ Nov 26 2009, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>modrod: That new modrod looks stunning! Absolutely fantastic. *thumbs up* Curiously, whose bones are they?
Anyways, I've got another design for you guys again (only one design, though) Do enjoy this one!
modrod eVo - design 7
"Blue Star"
12 x Yellow O-rings
2 x Blue O-rings
2 x Blue Dong-A Anyball/ Papermate Profile grips
Spoiler:
This design is my personal favourite. I'm pleasantly suprised on how this design turned out, since I actually got my inspiration in the middle of the night and started cutting the grips in the dark o_O
But yes, I am proud of this design. This design manages to keep the iconic shape and feel of the Anyball grip, yet manages to pull off a new look with the O-rings. The O-rings' are suprisingly good for infinities, as they act as 'stoppers' to hang on to your fingers. I made that insert from scratch. I quite like how it contrasts the simple grips, gives it a rather trendly look hmm?
I believe this design is also another cheap(?) one, since it uses anyball grips which you get get in bulk cheap and O-rings which you guys have a whole box of it, which makes it pretty convenient, no? ^^
Comments are welcome, as always!
BloorA
This would be a good mod to use the glow in the dark rings, it will still look that same, but it can glow in the dark too! hi -
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 20:31:59
Hello to all. I have been very busy of late, so have not had any time to get on the threads. I am just taking time real fast to remind everyone that the deadline for entry is fast approaching.
11. All entries have to be posted on this thread by the EOD December 17th, 2009.
Please make sure to get your eVo posted before it's too late. If you have already posted your eVo, please check the thread and make sure it's still here.
In the event that the UPSB crashes again before Jan 1, we will extend deadlines as needed. Of course, don't use that as an excuse to procrastinate as hopefully it will not happen.
One last thing, everyone needs to make sure they post up their insert. If the size is not perfect, that is "OK" just as long as the image is available to be resized.
All inserts MUST be posted before Dec 31, 2009 or the entry is disqualified for the prize.
Thanks a bunch, and good luck to all.
Oh, and Merry Christmas!!
cris -
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 21:10:00
Here is my participation to the modrod contest.
This is a collaboration between melly and me.
On a first step i study the basic design of the modrod evo pen. So i wanted to create a very difficult concept.
my aim were:
1) do a very beautifull modrod.
2) do a very cheap modrod (the modrod is expensive yet, so cheap composant to custom is perfect).
3) do a color sheme for an awesome twirling effect!!! (very important for the spin).
4) create an insert beautifull to see and beautifull in spin! (very difficult x)).
5) create a design who don't hid the design of original evo pen. (it's mean that i didn't want to put cap or other, because the original desing is very good, i wanted to keep the same size for the spinning surface on the body).
6) do a design that can be changed in all color possible.
7) do a design very simple to do!!! (so good bye cut grip!!!
)
So i began to search the draw of the insert. On the insert, i wanted to put some information:
The name: MODROD
The version: v.1
And the pen : EVO
After lot of works on draw part and design, i had a start for the design, drawed with pencil:
After it i began my colaboration with melly. The draw was scanned and put on photoshop. All line have been done on the program. And together, we imagined some modification of the basic draw. To finish with the FINAL INSERT OF MY MODROD:
Melly change this insert in 32 color sheme :
Black/jeloow ; black/blue; black/pink; black/purple; black/green; black/red, black/orange, black/white; yellow/skyblue; yellow/red; white/red; white/blue; white/pink; white/purple; white/orange; white/green; white/black (black/white negatif ^^); white/skyblue; (for ice design!); and all the reverse color sheme... (exemple: blue/white exist in white/blue).
after the problem of the insert. i had to found a color sheme for the grip part. I wanted to do a bicolor sheme.
With a 2/3 of one colour, 1/3 of the other. After lot of test (and looooot of fail cut =(), i get this result what you can see.
I chose the spoko grip, because i know those grip since the ice kuzu mod. Those grip exist in awesome color !!(skyblue Oo, lightgreen! O_O, yellow OMG *-*, orange, and grey (
?)). Spoko are very cheap!!!! its the best for my second aim!
and for the other grip i chose grip with "ring" ==> profile, easy to cut with the good size.
And the two grip are very easy to have.
Conclusion:
WHat is the price for this customisation:
2 Spoko grip: about 1.50$
1 profile grip: about 0.50$
All aim are respected!!!
Please comments.
comment:
I choose a double cap design, because this is the best retractable mod for me, very balanced. So i thought it was better with a double cap design ^^" -
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 23:29:39
Sorry Neptune, but I don't think it is YOUR idea.
I didn't post my modrod yet, becouse I didn't have insert.
My modrod was made on 27 September, and I posted it only on PPP.
Spoko and Anyball were used to it.
How it is possible that you had the SAME idea? -
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 23:35:51
xD just the spoko grip is the same xD lot of people used dr grip for their version of modrod, but nobody tell they had the same idea!
And this is a whole design that have to be judged or choiced. Seriously do you think your modrod look like my version O_O??? xD -
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 23:51:21
this will be a good competetion
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Date: Thu, Dec 17 2009 02:12:48
BloorA has won hands down IMHO.
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Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 07:59:20
so rushed...
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Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 10:15:28
I was expecting neptune to show some insane grip cuts but I guess he needed to show the spoko grip idea.
I don't think he copied off pari, I mean, spokos are easy to find in europe aren't they? And even I got a handful of those grips myself.
Both look awesome though.
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Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 18:11:41
I frikken love that insert TEK
grips are kind of plain though, colors in the barrell looked amazing though! -
Date: Sat, Dec 19 2009 02:01:18QUOTE (fletch @ Dec 18 2009, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I frikken love that insert TEK grips are kind of plain though, colors in the barrell looked amazing though!
thanks.
Meh, you can only go for a full plain grip or grip + stripes. Seems like everyone did stripes so i just went plain. -
Date: Sat, Dec 19 2009 16:37:21
TEK it was nice clean and simple
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Date: Thu, Dec 24 2009 17:15:24
Hey everyone, the contest poll has been posted. It should be at the top of every page. I tried to include quick links to each mod, but it's not picked up by the program. You can copy and paste each link to be sure you are voting for the right one.
Please vote for your favorite today, as it's all over in week!
Thanks for all the entries.
modrod staff -
Date: Fri, Dec 25 2009 16:44:14
i liked master iroc modrod the best
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Date: Fri, Dec 25 2009 17:04:56
Thanks for the update, hey Cris I emailed you over gmail at your modrodbiz @ yahoo account to try to get some more of the contest modrods if I can (just the body and dont need grips)
Off to vote now! -
Date: Fri, Dec 25 2009 17:07:46
As per the rule #4. The Insert MUST have been posted within this thread (within its own image) by December 17th, when the entry-time ended.
This means that:
Zu's Mod #1
Zu's Mod #2
Charlie's Mod
Master Iroc's Mod
BloorA Mod #1
BloorA Mod #3
BloorA Mod #6
ChrisPs's Mod
Neptunes Mod
Pari's Mod
Would all be disqualified.
However, this can be changed within flexibility of the rules that Cris can determine when voting finishes.
Voting will continue as normal, a winner, and the eligibility of their mod, will be determined when the poll voting has ended. -
Date: Sat, Dec 26 2009 00:42:34
i know mine will not win... btw, the inserts are just plain bond paper
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Date: Sat, Dec 26 2009 01:29:53QUOTE (Stevieboy7 @ Dec 25 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As per the rule #4. The Insert MUST have been posted within this thread (within its own image) by December 17th, when the entry-time ended.
This means that:
Zu's Mod #1
Zu's Mod #2
Charlie's Mod
Master Iroc's Mod
BloorA Mod #1
BloorA Mod #3
BloorA Mod #6
ChrisPs's Mod
Neptunes Mod
Pari's Mod
Would all be disqualified.
However, this can be changed within flexibility of the rules that Cris can determine when voting finishes.
Voting will continue as normal, a winner, and the eligibility of their mod, will be determined when the poll voting has ended.
Stevieboy is correct that the insert needs to be posted. Rule #4 does not specify a deadline, but in all fairness it needs to be posted before the contest is over to qualify for the prize.
If you did just a plain colored insert, please just make a digital one with the matching color in order to qualify.
Thanks and Merry Christmas to all.
modrod staff -
Date: Sat, Dec 26 2009 07:56:53
Okayyy, first off, I don't want to accuse anyone of cheating or voting for their friends but I think we all know there will always be some bias when there is public voting.
So that's the first thing/problem I wanted to point out.
Secondly, this poll has 18 choices-- that really thins out the votes, making every vote count a lot.
With things like the presidential election, there are a lot of choices to begin with, but after they get through primaries, they eventually end up with only 2 main people that the public will vote on (Ex. Obama vs McCain).. one of the good things about this is because once one person wins, you know that they have a good portion of the public's vote on them (not necessarily >50%, but certainly not something like 10% when all the other candidates has 5% each-- that's too close, and the person with 10% of the public vote imo shouldn't win just yet)
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So I suggest we take this round of voting as a preliminary round, and take the top 3-5 modrods, and have everyone vote on them again. If the winning modrod from this round truly deserves to win the $150 prize, then they should be able to pass through a R2 voting period as well.
I have nothing in it for myself to suggest a R2 voting period since I'm not even entered into this contest. I just want to minimize the inevitable bias that comes along with public voting as much as possible, and make sure the winning modrod will really be the one that people like most/most likely to buy.
I've seen cris put a lot of time, effort, and money into this, and would rather like it if he succeeded--which means that this contest has to be as fair as possible. If a person's friends vote for him, and he wins this round since it's fairly easy to win even if you just get 3 friends to vote for you.. and only his friends buy the modrod and nobody else -- cris is going to lose money, from both this contest's reward and lack of sales because of this contest.
Once again, I don't mean to accuse anyone of cheating, I just want to take into account various possibilities
As I've talked to penwish in the shoutbox, he mentioned that a R2 would not be fair for the winner of this round then. I agree, it isn't... but we can't be sure that a majority of upsb will actually like/buy that winning mod since the winning margin's fairy small.
Changing rules isn't fair either I realize, but I don't think it's too late at this point to change the rules a bit and add a second round of voting (except perhaps that the released results date would have to be pushed back a bit).
-But that's up to modrod and the public's opinion about this suggestion. I want to minimize bias as much as possible, and I think that this is a good idea. -
Date: Sat, Dec 26 2009 08:32:16
Round has started already. Making such a change is completely unfair for the competitors. It gives whomever is losing the advantage and whomever is winning a severe disadvantage. Any MAJOR changes should of been completed prior to the start of the tournament. Seems like if your favorite is not winning people think something is fishy =p. Participants have contacted me about voting so i know participants are trying to lobby for votes which is only natural. There will always be bias no matter how many rounds you have. Not everyone will be happy for the results; that's just a fact of life. I agree with multiple rounds but not now since the tournament has started. I nulled my vote and I have no personal preference/bias. Any real respected contest/tournament that wants to be taken seriously should follow all rules that are stated at the beginning of the tournament and not have large changes during the voting.
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Date: Sat, Dec 26 2009 08:44:55QUOTE (Penwish @ Dec 26 2009, 03:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It gives whomever is losing the advantage and whomever is winning a severe disadvantage. Any MAJOR changes should of been completed prior to the start of the tournament. Seems like if your favorite is not winning people think something is fishy =p.
If the losing person at the moment is what most people will actually buy, i'm all for that -- this contest is for cris to find out what design will sell the most anyway.
Haha, I don't really have a favorite in this contest actually and wouldn't buy one regardless since I got one already lol
no worries, no bias from me
but i'm not gonna argue this too much, doesn't really affect me ^^"
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Date: Sat, Dec 26 2009 08:48:08
I totally get your pt just wouldn't seem fair haha =p
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Date: Sat, Dec 26 2009 22:19:42
Jc and PW,
very interesting points that both of you make - indeed!
This is the first time we have ever done anything like this, so I really did not consider that it could certainly turn out to be political - which really is not what we want. We want the pen to win that really is the favorite, as this is not the "Who is your favorite modder" contest.
My lack of foresight combined with the evidence that PW has recieved PM's from unknown sources trying to get votes really does compel me to do another round, but I'm not going to do it unless the majority is in agreement.
I'm gonna look into how to do another poll.
cris
EDIT: I just added another question to the poll, but I have feeling that everyone that already voted is going to be locked out. Could be a good thing, but I'm not sure. Thoughts, comments, suggestions? Tia -
Date: Sun, Dec 27 2009 03:30:48
I dont agree with the other contest with the top 3; for one, its gonna be alot different.
Like now, theres like (20?) alot to choose from, and even the slightest vote will change the percentage.
But for the top 3 people, even one vote can throw off the percentage greatly.
(And Im not saying this just cause I'm 1 behind Neptune >_>, seriously.) -
Date: Sun, Dec 27 2009 07:19:18
Since I can't vote, I want to say that I am in agreement of the idea of a second round.
As JC said earlier, by narrowing down the choices to a mere 3/5/whatever choices we can determine and pinpoint the winner easier, no? And in case of a tie, what happens? Do they split the money or do a tiebreaker round?
Oh, and the inserts I used for #1, #3 and #6, even though its super easy to do.
#1
#3
#6
BloorA -
Date: Sun, Dec 27 2009 07:28:58
The second round will help organize the votes, but it still won't prevent the fanboys from biasing the voting system. As a result, if there is a second round, it will just be the same as the first.
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Date: Sun, Dec 27 2009 12:13:29
I'm agree with the idea of a second "round" of vote. Because for the moment, i have the maximum of vote, but its just 20 % O_O so we can't seriously tell that people have 20 % win the contest. So take the 3rd maximum vote is ok for me ^^.
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Date: Sun, Dec 27 2009 20:17:23
NOOO IM LOSING BY 2 T__T
And yeah, I agree with Keane. In the final round, there's STILL going to be fanboys, regardless of final round or not.
For the most part, the 'shopped pictures make everything different because colour, quality, and the design can be messed around with.
Soo..if the submissions DIDNT have any names, or shopped backgrounds, I THINK that the contest would be a bit more fair -
Date: Sun, Dec 27 2009 20:42:48
I don't think I am alone on this, but this contest voting seems really quite unfair.
(Please note that I do not care about winning the contest at this point, but more concerned for the other modders.)
Multiple submissions?
How is a single design going to be fair towards 3-4 designs that are counted as separate submissions for one modder?
A modder who makes a single design expecting that to be his one and only submission considered as an entry. However people like bloor-a has multiple submissions that are to their benefit. Their most current submission is not replaced by the last submission; thus meaning who-ever submits more has a better chance of winning due to numerical advantage.
@Modrod, I would strongly recommend thinking about this considering there is a large cash prize at stake. This kind of thing is generally called, "Playing the system."
Best of luck to all modders!
Regards,
iMatt -
Date: Mon, Dec 28 2009 00:36:23QUOTE (iMatt @ Dec 27 2009, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't think I am alone on this, but this contest voting seems really quite unfair.
(Please note that I do not care about winning the contest at this point, but more concerned for the other modders.)
Multiple submissions?
How is a single design going to be fair towards 3-4 designs that are counted as separate submissions for one modder?
A modder who makes a single design expecting that to be his one and only submission considered as an entry. However people like bloor-a has multiple submissions that are to their benefit. Their most current submission is not replaced by the last submission; thus meaning who-ever submits more has a better chance of winning due to numerical advantage.
@Modrod, I would strongly recommend thinking about this considering there is a large cash prize at stake. This kind of thing is generally called, "Playing the system."
Best of luck to all modders!
Regards,
iMatt
Hey Matt,
seems to me that multiple submissions could be actually hurtful since it does spread out the votes.
Thus far the voting is 8 to 1 in favor of a second round. Might be pretty compelling evidence of what may be best since all the votes are from members that did not play a part in the first few days of voting.
I'm just kinda wondering if a second round would not give us more of a clear cut winner.
cris -
Date: Mon, Dec 28 2009 01:26:09
Why don’t you do a second round that is all of the individual modders and the top voted modrod submission of the people who had more than one submission, that way it’s 10 modrods instead of 18 modrods in the second round?
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Date: Tue, Dec 29 2009 19:15:20QUOTE (NEPTUNE @ Dec 27 2009, 06:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm agree with the idea of a second "round" of vote. Because for the moment, i have the maximum of vote, but its just 20 % O_O so we can't seriously tell that people have 20 % win the contest. So take the 3rd maximum vote is ok for me ^^.
Neptune,
since you are the current vote leader, and you are in agreement with the second poll, I want to go ahead and make the decision that there will be a second round of voting that will include the top three leaders when the contest concludes.
The second round will begin on Thursday Jan 1st, and conclude on Friday Jan 9th. Voting will end at midnight central standard time, and winner will be announced on Jan 10, 2010.
Good luck to all.
cris
Final Results of Round 1
Which modrod eVo do you believe deserves to win the $150 prize?
Colin's mod - post #3 [ 11 ] [16.92%]
Zu's mod #1 "Green" - post # 11 [ 1 ] [1.54%]
Zu's mod #2 "Red" - post #11 [ 0 ] [0.00%]
iMatt's mod - post #12 [ 2 ] [3.08%]
Charlie's mod - post #15 [ 2 ] [3.08%]
TEK's mod #1 - post #20 [ 7 ] [10.77%]
TEK's mod #2 - post #148 [ 6 ] [9.23%]
MaStEr IrOc's mod - post #28 [ 3 ] [4.62%]
BloorA's mod #1 - post #86 [ 0 ] [0.00%]
BloorA's mod #2 - post #86 [ 0 ] [0.00%]
BloorA's mod #3 - post #86 [ 3 ] [4.62%]
BloorA's mod #4 (Kuzu) - post #86 [ 1 ] [1.54%]
BloorA's mod #5 - post #105 [ 1 ] [1.54%]
BloorA's mod #6 - post #105 [ 9 ] [13.85%]
BloorA's mod #7 - post #123 [ 5 ] [7.69%]
chrisPS's mod - post #125 [ 0 ] [0.00%]
Neptune's mod - post #143 [ 13 ] [20.00%]
Pari's mod - post #144 [ 1 ] [1.54%]
Do you think that to be fair another round of voting should take place with the top three from the first round?
Yes! [ 11 ] [78.57%]
No! [ 3 ] [21.43%]
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Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 20:18:19
Oh yes my NEPTUNE is on the second poll!!!! Good luck !!! Very good idea for the second poll, so we'll see the real winner:
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 03:49:44
New poll is up. Everyone please vote. This is the final round unless a tiebreaker is needed.
Voting will end at midnight central standard time on Jan 9, and winner will be announced on Jan 10, 2010.
God luck to all.
modrod staff -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 04:15:03
BloorA wins for sure.
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BloorA wins for sure -
Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 14:33:54
1 more day to go.
Best wishes to all.
cris
In your honest opinion, which one of these three eVo's is most deserving of the the $150 prize?
Neptune's eVo in post #143 [ 11 ] [27.50%]
Colins' eVo in post #3 [ 11 ] [27.50%]
BloorA's eVo number 6 in post #105 [ 18 ] -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 18:40:54
ModRod looks so long O_o
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 20:44:39QUOTE (ShoopDaWoop @ Jan 8 2010, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ModRod looks so long O_o
Most pens that are modded for spinning do
Heres a pic of some of the most popular (or at least my t-mobile "five"), although the styles are varied you can see they all kinda are the same length as the modrod blueprint.
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 15:36:40
And we have a winner.;
Neptune's eVo in post #143 [ 13 ] [30.95%]
Colins' eVo in post #3 [ 11 ] [26.19%]
BloorA's eVo number 6 in post #105 [ 18 ]
Big congrats to BloorA.
Thanks to all for an excellent contest. Many great new styles of eVo's were introduced.
Have you guys (and gals) seen this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMalAqkNSnU
Neptunes mod really looks awesome against that black background. Imo, one of the best looking mods I have ever seen.
Any chance that someone here can transcribe what he said into english, and post it here?
cris
@ fletch,
thanks for posting the comparision photo. We made the modrod longer than a Dr Kt, but shorter than a minwoo. -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 15:41:27QUOTE (fletch @ Jan 8 2010, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Most pens that are modded for spinning do
Heres a pic of some of the most popular (or at least my t-mobile "five"), although the styles are varied you can see they all kinda are the same length as the modrod blueprint.
Spoiler:
Those are really nice. Especially the ayatori
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 16:18:41
Awards announcement.
Since we went to a second round we have decided to award cash prizes to all participants of the second round. Here are the awards:
#1 BloorA - $150.00 U.S. dollars
#2 Neptune - $50.00 U.S. dollars
#3 Collin - $25.00 U.S. dollars
All winners please submit your paypal account name to me via PM so that you can recieve your award.
Also, there will be a surprise (
) award to be given to all that entered the modrod contest.
No hints will be given on the nature of the surprise.
Will probably be at least 8 weeks before it's ready.
Happy Spinning to all!
modrod staff -
Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 07:21:08
My heartfelt thanks to Cris and the modrod staff, who organized this contest and sold me my modrod x)
A very big thank you to all the contestants, who set up a very good challenge for me (especially TEK & NEPTUNE ><)
And a final thank you to the members of UPSB for participating in the poll over the past month and supporting me!
It was a good contest for me, made me think of the many different ways of modding the modrod. Thank you all once again! ;D
BloorA
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Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 09:36:57QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Jan 10 2010, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Also, there will be a surprise ( ) award to be given to all that entered the modrod contest.
No hints will be given on the nature of the surprise.
Will probably be at least 8 weeks before it's ready.
Happy Spinning to all!
modrod staff
OMG, even if I didn't win, at least there's the surprise, whatever it will be...
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Date: Tue, Jan 12 2010 00:09:53QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Jan 9 2010, 08:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Awards announcement.
Since we went to a second round we have decided to award cash prizes to all participants of the second round. Here are the awards:
#1 BloorA - $150.00 U.S. dollars
#2 Neptune - $50.00 U.S. dollars
#3 Collin - $25.00 U.S. dollars
All winners please submit your paypal account name to me via PM so that you can recieve your award.
Also, there will be a surprise ( ) award to be given to all that entered the modrod contest.
No hints will be given on the nature of the surprise.
Will probably be at least 8 weeks before it's ready.
Happy Spinning to all!
modrod staff
What if we dont have paypal? D: -
Date: Mon, Jan 18 2010 20:19:47QUOTE (chrisPS @ Jan 10 2010, 03:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>OMG, even if I didn't win, at least there's the surprise, whatever it will be...
OMG i bet its a new car... jk
what ever it is, Modrod-cris will not disappoint us
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Date: Wed, Jan 20 2010 00:49:41QUOTE (_Zu_ @ Jan 18 2010, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>OMG i bet its a new car... jk
what ever it is, Modrod-cris will not disappoint us
(give us a hint pls)
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
I'll give you two hints.
#1 It's not a car.
And #2, it does pertain to pen spinning.
cris
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Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 12:28:34
is it done???
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 01:52:38QUOTE (chrisPS @ Feb 7 2010, 06:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>is it done???
Not yet, but we are working on it.
We are making sure to get it right.
cris
P.S. Probably gonna be another modrod contest in the near future.
Slightly different than the one we just finished.
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 19:26:56
well I missed the deadline for the last contest
but I am preparing for the next one and will be ready. modrod rules! 
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 20:34:10
did you create this led system yourself?!
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 21:08:58
wow, i can see the next one is going to be good
hay, the next contest should be who can make the most stylish one
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 21:28:10QUOTE (NEPTUNE @ Feb 12 2010, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>did you create this led system yourself?!
Yes, theres a bit more to it then just LED not to get too off topic but the challenge was keeping the retract/writing mechanism intact while still integrating the ComboSense system. I can has trade for one of your amazing gripcuts ???
@ Zu that would be an awesome contest, the last one got a bunch of attention so therefore maybe next contest will have many more competitors
quickedit: to answer Prince question, yes, I designed this especially to fit modrod. I hope Cris likes it
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 21:32:30
wait you made it? I can see 'modrod' on it. Did you design/make it for them?
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 21:36:29
prince if that interests you do electrical or computer engineering. you can have fun with oodles and ooldes of em
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Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 17:52:31QUOTE (fletch @ Feb 12 2010, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well I missed the deadline for the last contest
but I am preparing for the next one and will be ready. modrod rules!
Spoiler:
Wow! Unreal Fletch. You really have mad skills man.
re new modrod contest - We cannot wait to announce this event. Get ready for something even better than before. We are going to increase the cash prizes, and allow more latitude for the modders. We want this contest to be very inclusive, with very few rules in the hopes that we get even better mods and more entries. Wish I could say more!!
Also, want to go ahead and report that all cash prizes for the "Mod the Rod" contest have been paid in full. Congrats again to all winners.
modrod - cris -
Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 03:26:19
Hay Hay... Keep this Thread alive... i hear that Modrod Cris is close to finshing his project
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Date: Fri, Apr 2 2010 00:04:59QUOTE (_Zu_ @ Mar 30 2010, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hay Hay... Keep this Thread alive... i hear that Modrod Cris is close to finshing his project
supposed to be :\ -
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 22:18:54QUOTE (_Zu_ @ Mar 30 2010, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hay Hay... Keep this Thread alive... i hear that Modrod Cris is close to finshing his project
re modrod update -
still several weeks out from the completion of this project. Never in our wildest dreams did we think it would take so much time, energy, research, and money to pull this off. We have not been willing to settle for less than perfection in the colors and materials that we are using in the hopes that we are able to deliver something extraordinary to the world of pen spinning.
@ Collin & Zu,
really appreciate you keeping the thread going. Please keep posting so that I can more easily post updates as they come.
@ "Mod the Rod" contest entrants,
everyone that entered the "Mod the Rod" contest please submit your name and mailing address to me via PM as you will be the first to receive modrod's newest product. Postage will be paid by modrod, so it will be absolutely free of charge.
Upon reciept of your prize you will then be qualified to enter the upcoming modrod contest that will have three CA$H prizes of $200. Here are the categories:
Best Modder $200.00
Best Original Mod $200.00
Best Classic Mod $200.00
Only one modder can win each category, so that means that THREE different modders will be putting 200 U.S. smackers in their wallets!
Thanks and Happy Spinning.
modrod Staff -
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 23:17:21
oooo this sounds like fun
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Date: Thu, Apr 8 2010 03:19:47QUOTE (modrod-cris @ Apr 8 2010, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@ "Mod the Rod" contest entrants,
everyone that entered the "Mod the Rod" contest please submit your name and mailing address to me via PM as you will be the first to receive modrod's newest product. Postage will be paid by modrod, so it will be absolutely free of charge.
about the contest, I doubt that I'll get to be one of the best there D: -
Date: Thu, Apr 8 2010 16:11:59QUOTE (chrisPS @ Apr 7 2010, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
about the contest, I doubt that I'll get to be one of the best there D:
@ chrisPS,
never know. With the rule that a single modder can only win one category the "playing field" should be leveled away from just a popularity contest.
Also, I will go ahead and let the "cat out of the bag" regarding the "Best Original Mod" category and tell you that it does not have to be modrod body, and it does not have to be writeable. What it does have to have is an original body that has never been used before in a tutorial on the UPSB.
I really think this contest is going to be a blast.
cris
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Date: Thu, Apr 8 2010 22:09:41
So the best original mod is just like a contest to see who can make the best new mod?? even if its not modrod?
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Date: Thu, Apr 8 2010 22:14:14QUOTE (Kirby @ Apr 8 2010, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So the best original mod is just like a contest to see who can make the best new mod?? even if its not modrod?
Pretty much.....
...details to follow.
c -
Date: Mon, May 3 2010 17:35:24
-picks up a defibrillator, zaps this fourm pages... and it comes alive again-
keep it alive... any word on the modrod projects? -
Date: Mon, May 3 2010 22:48:20QUOTE (_Zu_ @ May 3 2010, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>-picks up a defibrillator, zaps this fourm pages... and it comes alive again-
keep it alive... any word on the modrod projects?
YOWCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the jolt, Zu.
Still in a holding pattern.
Could have been finished weeks ago but some of the samples just weren't quite good enough.
Should be well worth the wait.
How have you been?
cris
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Date: Mon, May 3 2010 22:52:43
are you guys going to start selling the basic ones again?
they spin nice
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Date: Tue, May 4 2010 17:34:50
i have been good. i am still looking for a good grip that the metal tip of the pen can fit through
can i enter a pen if i do a tiny bit of modding on the outside of the pen?
like i can change the length of the clicker nub...
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Date: Wed, May 5 2010 23:14:36
Is there a date when these will be available?
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Date: Sun, May 9 2010 15:38:23QUOTE (_Zu_ @ May 4 2010, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i have been good. i am still looking for a good grip that the metal tip of the pen can fit through
can i enter a pen if i do a tiny bit of modding on the outside of the pen?
like i can change the length of the clicker nub...
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re modding - without giving away too much, all modifications will be allowed - including removal of the ink cartridge. I'm sure that virtually any mod that can be concieved right now will be easy to modify to ensure that it will qualify for this next contest.
@ Olaf,
the dates are still unknown. We are in the middle of the manufacturing process, and unfortunately it is a WHOLE LOT slower than I had imagined.
cris -
Date: Sat, May 15 2010 14:06:52
Getting a little closer.
Lots of risk involved here, as we don't have the kind of money to do full prototyping with the exact materials we are going to use.
As the saying goes, you can't steal second with your foot on first.
If we want to be the first at something, we gotta take the chance.
modrod-cris -
Date: Sun, May 16 2010 06:45:03
I request some pics or a hint of some kind
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Date: Sun, May 16 2010 12:57:38QUOTE (fletch @ May 16 2010, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I request some pics or a hint of some kind
How about a riddle that the correct answer won't be verified until the contest starts?
cris -
Date: Sun, May 16 2010 13:54:24
what is modrod?
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Date: Sun, May 16 2010 13:57:11
It is a mod that is one sided and retractable. He is trying to get it to be a univerisal mmod (I don't know). But basically a one sided retrractable mod that Cris produces, and this thread/contest advertises for it.
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Date: Sun, May 16 2010 18:46:44
Although, I must give cris some props. Originally, he started off super arrogant abbot his product saying it was the perfect length and weight, but now, he's accepted the fact that there can't be a perfect mod, but he'll try to make one as good as he can.
I'll probably be buying one over the summer, and I can't wait to try it out. -
Date: Sun, May 23 2010 03:07:09
As soon as you have the entry winners from your last contest available to buy, I'm sure your sales will vastly increase.
I know I can't wait til' you have them up. D: -
Date: Sun, May 23 2010 05:24:45QUOTE (Elias @ May 22 2010, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>As soon as you have the entry winners from your last contest available to buy, I'm sure your sales will vastly increase.
I know I can't wait til' you have them up. D:
One of the good things is that its is customizeable. So just get the "naked" one and mod it to your own preference. -
Date: Wed, Jun 16 2010 19:28:46
write a tutorial of this mod
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Date: Wed, Jun 16 2010 19:32:19
Modrod is produced in a factory, you buy it like that.
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Date: Thu, Jun 17 2010 20:41:27
where i can buy this body?
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Date: Thu, Jun 17 2010 20:46:25QUOTE (hoiboy @ May 3 2010, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>are you guys going to start selling the basic ones again?
they spin nice
how's the company?
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Date: Sat, Jun 19 2010 21:36:57QUOTE (faysto @ Jun 17 2010, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>where i can buy this body?
Cris sourced some stout lexan in a fairly standard size (there's about 3 different common sizes that will work for us to choose from if you look up lexan hollow rods) So you could buy this fairly cheap if you just googled it.
However the expensive/time-consuming part is going to come in if you wanted the barrel threaded (gotta be handy or have a machine shop do it) and drilled at the back to fit the retract mechanism. And a power saw/sander would be nice to cut to length although you could do it with a cheap $20 miter-box, its gonna be a bit more messy.
Honestly it'd be more trouble then its worth, why not just email Cris and ask to buy some of his supplies since I'm sure he's made the time and inventory investment , Pen Spinning is still a pretty small community and most everyone is willing to trade/sell/hook-up a fellow spinner.
