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Off-topic / Cop Crashes Into Car Killing 2 Teens
Is he at fault?
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Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 03:00:11
Video description: Police have released a videotape of a June police cruiser crash that killed two Connecticut teens. The officer was driving 94 miles per hour and was not on an emergency call. He's been charged with manslaughter. (Nov. 18)
I personally believe the teenagers were at fault. Pity about the deaths though. -
Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 03:21:53
I would say the cops at fault for one reason, the blinking caution lights in the intersection.
These lights mean, "proceed, but with caution to any other traffic"
and his absolute disregard for the speed limit was not cautionary.
The teens turned through the intersection assuming the cars were moving at the speed limit, (one car was) because:
A. the caution lights,
B. the cops had no flashers or any other warnings on,
THEREFORE they had the right to proceed, and would have been perfectly fine, as they cleared the non-speeding copcar by a mile, if the cops were not speeding.
The cops are totally at fault, i don't see how the teenagers would be at all. -
Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 03:26:10
i think the cop is at fault because he wasnt on a emergency call, so there was no need to be going that fast. Also as a cop he should be paying a lot more attention then he was
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Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 03:32:47
Ok, maybe at fault was a bad choice of words.
What I meant to say was that although he was speeding and disregarding the flashing lights, he had the right of way cause the other car was making a left. The other car should have also noticed the cop car approaching at such a high speed, making the decision to wait until the cop car had passed. Instead, to me it seems the teens tried to beat the cop on the turn.
But you have legitimate points as well.
It seems to me now, that they were both 'at fault'. -
Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 03:46:13QUOTE (KunLin @ Nov 19 2009, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What I meant to say was that although he was speeding and disregarding the flashing lights, he had the right of way cause the other car was making a left. The other car should have also noticed the cop car approaching at such a high speed, making the decision to wait until the cop car had passed. Instead, to me it seems the teens tried to beat the cop on the turn.
I don't see why anyone would except a cop, or anyone really, to be going at 94 miles an hour, especially without a siren. They may have misjudged the speed of the cop but I really don't think that it's reasonable to say that they should have expected it. -
Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 04:33:01
94 mph... yea clearly wrong
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Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 05:35:51
He was drag racing with the other cop.
Technically the teens were in the wrong. They shouldn't have tried to beat the cops. Its Proceed with caution, and seeing a car quickly coming towards you and trying to beat it is stupid.
But thats how it would go if you follow the law 100% Since no one does that, the cop is at fault. Even a judge would say so. Because 94MPH is too fast for local streets. -
Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 07:34:40
hmm this is an iffy situation
i think the cop was going a bit too fast but at the same time, the teenagers would have noticed if the car was really going 94 mph.
maybe they were in a hurry but car coming that fast, why would they make a left turn...
technically, the cop had right of way, but he/she was going too fast
the teens should have noticed the 94 mph cop car and should have stopped instead of making that turn
they were both somewhat at fault.
but was the cop really going 94 mph? it looks slower than that -
Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 08:40:38
Well, the following cop car was going 60-ish. Thats only a 30 mile difference. Remember when I drove you to one of the gatherings and I was going 90? Didn't really seem fast now did it?
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Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 14:50:39
99% when ppl drive too fast nothing happen, this is one of the time where something happens, since people should be penalized more often for driving too fast, the cop deserved this
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Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 15:09:31
Two counts of manslaughter.
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Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 00:32:32
The one driving the other car is clearly the one responsible for the crash. You can not just turn with two other cars coming at you, at that close a range. It was stupid, speeding or no speeding.
That being said, I think the cop should still have his license pulled, get a large fine and lose his job. Maybe a short term in prison if they find out, that they were street racing. The people in the other car would probably have survived such a crash, had he not been speeding. -
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 01:01:39
its kinda both at fault
the cop shouldnt have been speeding and the other people should have made that turn with 2 speeding cars coming from the other directions
but still the cops should have stop the lights were flashing so it seems the cops should be at fault -
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 10:57:46QUOTE (TheOnion @ Nov 21 2009, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The one driving the other car is clearly the one responsible for the crash. You can not just turn with two other cars coming at you, at that close a range. It was stupid, speeding or no speeding.
Let's not forget traffic-lights as well, not just speeding. The other car proceed, cause a) it was dark, cop had no flashes on; teens could not see them coming that fast
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even more important - cop couldn't drive not only on 93mph, he couldn't drive at 1mph, as it was red traffic-light
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Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 15:08:53QUOTE (Raem @ Nov 22 2009, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Let's not forget traffic-lights as well, not just speeding. The other car proceed, cause a) it was dark, cop had no flashes on; teens could not see them coming that fast
and even more important - cop couldn't drive not only on 93mph, he couldn't drive at 1mph, as it was red traffic-light
MANSLAUGHTER
A Even without emergency lights on it, you can still assess a vehicle's approximate speed. You always have to do that when you turn left, you can't just go "I think that car is going according to the speed limits, I'm gonna turn", you have to know, if you can make it or else wait.
B I can't see if it's red or green in that clip. But, how can the other car turn if it is red for the cop car? I mean, if it's red for the cop car, wouldn't it be red for the the other car too? -
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 22:09:14QUOTE (TheOnion @ Nov 22 2009, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>B I can't see if it's red or green in that clip. But, how can the other car turn if it is red for the cop car? I mean, if it's red for the cop car, wouldn't it be red for the the other car too?
Not neccessarily, he could have a turning light. But i dont think thats the case,
Im almost positive the cops have a blink amber, and the turning car would then have a blinking red light (cautionary lights, used for late at night)