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Philosophy / Does intellegence effect spinning ability?
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Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 15:05:41
In many areas of manipulation, you find that the best are very often extremely clever people. Does this also apply to pen spinning? Are the best spinners much more intellegent than the rest? Has it happened yet, or will it happen in the future? Discuss.
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Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 18:34:53
Yes I believe it does.
Intelligence affects everything. The way you learn a skill is determined by your intelligence. (e.g learning in an order or just going into hard stuff to start) Also I think intelligence might affect control, more intelligence = more control.
Nubs in my school who try and ps cant, and most aren't very bright :3 -
Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 19:25:42
Intelligence affects the understanding of movement physics, so yes, more intelligent people should understand the trick earlier, thus have easier learning... But person with high intellect and really bad hands will not learn as fast as someone "dumber", but more agile
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Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 19:35:13
intelligence may affect spinning ability, but it sure does affect your ability to spell words like "intelligence" and "affect" properly...
there are various types of intelligence, so of course the kinesthetic intelligence is most useful here. -
Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 21:14:38QUOTE (Zombo @ Nov 20 2009, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>intelligence may affect spinning ability, but it sure does affect your ability to spell words like "intelligence" and "affect" properly...
there are various types of intelligence, so of course the kinesthetic intelligence is most useful here.
omfg zombo LOL lmaolmaolmao
imo it definitely affects the way you learn and perform spinning.
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Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 02:07:59
@ Deutherius: A person really doesn't need to know much of anything to understand how a trick works. We're talking about a short stick that's rotating, not integral calculus.
@ Zombo: Your answer is probably as good an answer as this thread will get. Intelligence is defined and categorized in so many different ways that its meaning is too vague; however, I'm inclined to believe that Mats had "book smarts" in mind when he spoke of intelligence.
With that assumption, the answer is a resounding "no." An understanding of centripetal acceleration and torque may in theory help, but these concepts are rather intuitive to the average person (I would hope), even if they are unaware of the calculations behind them. -
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 12:33:09QUOTE (Jewjo @ Nov 21 2009, 03:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@ Deutherius: A person really doesn't need to know much of anything to understand how a trick works. We're talking about a short stick that's rotating, not integral calculus.
Yeah, exactly - doesn't need to know. But when you e.g. drive a car, doesn't it help you if you have more knowledge or understanding of physics? Yeah, there are few things that anyone can learn without understanding how they work, but still, more intelligent people will have learning of w/e easier, imo
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Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 14:11:08
Yeah, it does. Practice a lot without knowing how the tricks work is useless. You'll learn faster if you know the secret of the trick and then practice a lot!
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Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 17:02:44
i think intelligence helps you practice productively and not mindlessly and helps you link tricks together to form nice combos instead of just randomly putting trick after trick to form a combo. It's still a combo but not a good one or an aesthetic one.
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Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 17:59:04
@Glamouraz: Personally, I don't think it's intelligence, but rather creativity that allows people to form combos that appear smooth. Then again, creativity could be part of intelligence.
I do not really think intelligence plays a large factor in spinning ability. I'm probably wrong, but can we make the stereotype that Asians are more intelligent than others (I really don't think so)? If so, then why not assume intelligence affects spinning ability.
I don't think it can be THAT mind boggling to learn how to move your middle finger so that a stick, baton, or pen can move around your thumb and have you catch it. -
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 18:05:38QUOTE (Zombo @ Nov 20 2009, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>intelligence may affect spinning ability, but it sure does affect your ability to spell words like "intelligence" and "affect" properly...
there are various types of intelligence, so of course the kinesthetic intelligence is most useful here.
I was tired!
I guess what I really meant here was, are people who are clever (avoided that difficult to spell word), in the sense of obtaining good grades in school, going to be advantaged in pen spinning? Not people with the specific cleverishness of kinesthetic skills, but those who are as jewjo said 'book smarts'. -
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 23:13:09
If you did badly at school you wouldn't be penspinning, you'd be paying attention.
I'm going to make a blatant guess that a noticeable fraction of penspinners are asian, and the general concept is that they're grown up with influences that tend to involve studiousness, so this fraction of penspinners can also likely be correlated to those who are "smart" as well. They're just sets.
Of course I'm not excluding any other race, anyone can be just as good, given they have the same influences as a child.
And isn't a delinquent.
tl;dr: No, it's just a coincidence. -
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 23:31:53
just ask zuolin to film a combo.
then we'll see -
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 00:50:22QUOTE (Mats @ Nov 20 2009, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>In many areas of manipulation, you find that the best are very often extremely clever people. Does this also apply to pen spinning? Are the best spinners much more intellegent than the rest? Has it happened yet, or will it happen in the future? Discuss.
i think so even if it's just simply catching on to stuff faster -
Date: Sun, Nov 22 2009 03:12:41QUOTE (shadowspinner @ Nov 21 2009, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i think so even if it's just simply catching on to stuff faster
yeah I think that's pretty much it. You'll probably have better hand eye cordination
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Date: Thu, Nov 26 2009 03:21:06QUOTE (FripメECツ @ Nov 21 2009, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>just ask zuolin to film a combo.
then we'll see
I lol'ed
But yes I have to agree. Intelligence is pretty important because with it often comes persistence and you need both to spin pens decently at all. A lot of people at my school (none of them are on honor roll I believe) always try to copy me with no success and then give up and say I won't teach them.
Some smarter people have actually tried to copy me and have learned quick fingerpasses and successful thumbarounds.
Plus most penspinners are asian. So, penspinners = smart.
LOLJAYKAY
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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 23:31:18QUOTE (Mr. Ninja @ Nov 25 2009, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I lol'ed
But yes I have to agree. Intelligence is pretty important because with it often comes persistence and you need both to spin pens decently at all. A lot of people at my school (none of them are on honor roll I believe) always try to copy me with no success and then give up and say I won't teach them.
Some smarter people have actually tried to copy me and have learned quick fingerpasses and successful thumbarounds.
Plus most penspinners are asian. So, penspinners = smart.
LOLJAYKAY
True dat, many people that try to copy me at my school end up failing and moving their hands in a retarded motion XD
One guy even proclaimed himself my apprentice O.o
The pretty smart ones really don't care so they don't but me, most of the time ^^ -
Date: Thu, Dec 17 2009 00:41:37
if mental determination is part of inteellingence then yes . also u may be able to understand tuts better mayb it helps you reserch better therefore finding better mods on other boards or tutorials..etc.
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Date: Sun, Dec 20 2009 18:07:51
I disagree because I think rather than intelligence, its hard work and determination not to give up that makes a good spinner! Really smart people might be able to figure out a spin faster but I don't see if they'd be any more likely to practice it the 1000x times it takes to get it down.
I dont really have any statistics to back me up, in my experience, Im smart and I SUCK at penspinning!
I think intelligence is really important if you're trying to make mods though, because it seems like so many mods have been made before it takes a lot to come up with something new. like the PWMT competitors I would imagine are doing great in school and stuff. -
Date: Tue, Dec 22 2009 23:27:58
As far as I am concerned I think that what someone wants to do sith the pen is way more important that his fingers,
Some spinners can be helped by their fingers (As Mart who's got an incredible dexterity) or maybe by the shape of their fingers (for busts etc ...); In addition some spinners are looking for some sensations (frat, Mart presumably or I sometime). So our fingers can influence our spin to a certain extent by modifying our style or the tricks we do (hard hybrids).
However, the flexibility comes with time and practising and so the most important part of our spin is only determined by our brain. Then it depends of what you call "intelligence" let's say that what matter in PS is :
- Creativity, someone's ability to do some new links or original tricks and also to join them keeping the combo's smoothness and esthetism. I couldn't explain what makes that someone is more creative than another one but I'm convinced that it has a big part in determining great spinners after 1-2 years of penspinning, once a lot of tricks have been learnt. I suppose creativity is someone's ability to imagine all the ways he can spin his pen, in penspinning experience is undoubtedly not negligeible for that.
- intellignence, in the way someone learn the tricks when he begins, the order of learning will influence the spin.
- Envy ? I'm persuaded that a spinner who really enjoys spinning learns faster than a less motivated one.
- And then of course the connexion between our brain and our hands, but again I suppose that nobody would be able to explain the difference between people there. There's presumably a part of penspinning who's inborn.
To conclude I would say that intelligence (logic, creativity) is important at penspinning, particularly when you reach a high level or when you're in a learning time but several other factors must be regarded . We can't generalize .I think that this question raises many other questions and is interesting ^^ -
Date: Wed, Dec 23 2009 01:33:31
too lazy to read all that....
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Date: Wed, Dec 23 2009 22:02:20
I don't really think intelligence (if that's how you spell it at all) helps your spinning. Just hand-eye cord, timing, and practice are probably the only things you need for good pen spinning.
P.S. oh, and patience. -
Date: Wed, Dec 23 2009 23:35:44
I think for pen spinning, similar to other hobbies (video games, Poker, Chess, cubing), the natural ability some people have of hyper-focusing is very helpful.
Eriror or Nate would be a great example -
Date: Thu, Dec 24 2009 00:54:13
I believe it only affects how fast you learn the ps tricks. Take for example a person why studied physics and who doesnt. The person who does will know how the pen works and spin and thus have a better chance to understand what he is doing and learn faster.
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Date: Thu, Dec 24 2009 04:45:41
i dont think so.
pen spinning takes skill.
it has nothing to do with how smart you are -
Date: Fri, Dec 25 2009 21:59:04
just fyi, intelligence* affect*
I don't think intelligence affects penspinning ability.
Penspinning has more to do with the determination of the spinner, not intelligence.
And IMO, creativity isn't about intelligence; it's more about trying different things.
Also, I see people relating penspinning skill with intelligence.
What "skill" are you talking about?
*Edit* I also see people talking about how intelligence affects how fast you learn tricks.
I think that's only partly true. One might be smart and know how it works and one might not be so bright and still know how it works.
For instance, I've met some very smart people and they learn tricks no faster than do the not-so-smart ones.
It's a matter of practice, not how smart you are. -
Date: Sat, Dec 26 2009 01:39:57
I think it would actually... The way you approach learning anything, be it pen spinning or any other art form is different for everyone. maybe not necessarily intelligence per say, but the way you process information and think may have an affect on how you choose to learn your tricks, your drive to practice and other aspects of your spinning like the organization of the combos you create. In this way it might not be your intelligence, because intelligence is pretty much subjective to many things it does affect your spinning.
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Date: Thu, Jan 7 2010 01:42:17
IMO-
Intelligence ---> High Learning Speed ---> More things learned in shorter time
It also depends if you count experience as intelligence,
I think that experience is - gained intelligence + memory so according to MY defn intellegence does help with pspinning
@spinneraddiction- "skills" are a fitness that can be trained measured or lost
(Thats rite, I read my health and wellness textbook)