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Pen Modifications / [PMWT] Final Round 5
the final battle...
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Date: Tue, Nov 24 2009 05:22:42
http://thespyre.net/penmoddingwt/?cat=9
The Final round is out. This is the round of exceptions ^^ Instead of making a single mod with a single theme, the modders need to produce two mods: one famous mod (an existing mod that is well known) and an original mod (basically an open theme). The deadline for the two mods is going to be 1 month (a little over 4 weeks, since there are two mods to be made). The limit for number of pictures has also been lifted.
Why is the round so unusual?
Well, Near wanted the final round's theme to be decided between the modders in order to make it a fair final round. After discussing possible themes, it seemed that a perfect theme that would allow both of us to do our best would be impossible to find. This is because each modder has his own strength and style, so in order to allow both modders to do their best, but also have a good challenge, we agreed to make two mods instead of one.
anyways, this should be an interesting round ^^ -
Date: Tue, Nov 24 2009 05:32:18
Awesome!
All the best to both people!
So there's no theme yet for the original mod? Just.. come up with whatever you want?
EDIT: Oh.. the theme is one famous mod and one original mod..
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Date: Tue, Nov 24 2009 14:09:48
Expectations are quite high. Good luck to both. Hope we get to see something really unique; bit hard to top what has been made already though
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Date: Tue, Nov 24 2009 22:09:53
This looks like an interesting round.
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Date: Wed, Dec 9 2009 00:32:02
neptunes sun rising spirats mods defiently beat kam. but i think kam will have a very strong finishing round. i predict ka, will make a better famous mod and neptune will make a better new (self) mod
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Date: Thu, Dec 10 2009 23:59:51QUOTE (shakenbake @ Dec 8 2009, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>neptunes sun rising spirats mods defiently beat kam. but i think kam will have a very strong finishing round. i predict ka, will make a better famous mod and neptune will make a better new (self) mod
neptune's spirit mods were crap, sure the gripcuts were a pain in the ass, but the lumination system took no thought, Kam's and iMatt's took possibly twice as long because of welding and stuff. Kam will kick his ass 10x over. -
Date: Fri, Dec 11 2009 03:35:14QUOTE (RH @ Dec 10 2009, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>neptune's spirit mods were crap, sure the gripcuts were a pain in the ass, but the lumination system took no thought, Kam's and iMatt's took possibly twice as long because of welding and stuff. Kam will kick his ass 10x over.
i disagree neptunes were not crap they were simply i easyier. quicker, simplier, way to make a light up mod. yes it wuz easier then kams but it was unique and the grip cuts were magnificent. lastly kam WILL make a better famous mod but neptune WILL make a much better self mod. look at the fusion, id say its the best mod in the PMWT and it is a original mod by neptune thats y i predict kam for famous mod neptune for original. lastly if sunrising spirits were crap y did the judges give him the overall best score.gif)
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Date: Fri, Dec 11 2009 03:42:22
I must agree that the Neptunes last mods werent the greatest.
as any OLD spinners can agree to, the concept of spinning a glowstick at night has been around forever, (there probably even a few videos floating around)
All that Neptune did was take a G2 Vortex mod, and put a glowstick inside.
Not really intune with the idea of LED mods, but watever.
The judges seemed to be not extremely educated in these things/had a favour towards him.
Whatever.
I think that kam has the expertise/creativity to make the winners. Neptune just rehashes mods with gripcuts and pretty things.
As well, Neptunes has been going through some life changes lately, and might not have as much time/concentration.
this is just my opinion however, you're welcome to interpret it as you like. -
Date: Fri, Dec 11 2009 03:43:44QUOTE (shakenbake @ Dec 10 2009, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i disagree neptunes were not crap they were simply i easyier. quicker, simplier, way to make a light up mod. yes it wuz easier then kams but it was unique and the grip cuts were magnificent. lastly kam WILL make a better famous mod but neptune WILL make a much better self mod. look at the fusion, id say its the best mod in the PMWT and it is a original mod by neptune thats y i predict kam for famous mod neptune for original. lastly if sunrising spirits were crap y did the judges give him the overall best score
the spirit mod doesnt seem cost effeciant(spelling?)looking that it can only last 6 hours per use -
Date: Fri, Dec 11 2009 11:34:51
i think we both had good and not so good rounds. You can't really jump to conclusions about a modder based on only a round or two. There's always more than meets the eyes.
Personally, winning or losing isn't important. I already did grip and body cuts, crammed a ton of tools into a single mod, created mods that open new possibilities, and made my first LED mod. I think I've proved enough to others and myself.
So this round I'm just gonna have fun. I am still trying my best, but I will not let winning/losing dictate what I do. I'm sure some people will like the mods, and some people won't. That's always the way things go. Either way, I think this should be an interesting round. So don't forget to check back during Xmas.
@shakenbake: not sure where you get your predictions, but 3 out of the 4 pens I made are original.
btw, Neptune is a cool guy. We talked a lot throughout the tournament until we had to face each other (then we had to keep all a secret xD). I am sure that he, just like me, would appreciate if we kept the criticism objective and backed up with reason. Saying something is crap is just not needed. You can express what you like/dislike about the mod without being hurtful
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Date: Fri, Dec 11 2009 12:48:12QUOTE (Kam @ Dec 11 2009, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Personally, winning or losing isn't important.
What is the point in a competition if people are not interested in winning or losing? That's the whole point of a competition! You don't see people go to Wimbledon and lose the final and say at least I had fun. They all say NEXT TIME I'LL WIN!QUOTEi think we both had good and not so good rounds. You can't really jump to conclusions
It's usual to have good and bad rounds throughout. No-one does really well in every round of a competition. The winner is always unpredictable. Either one can have a good or bad round in the last round, even if one person were miles ahead (not the case here I think), then the one miles ahead could still have a bad round and lose in the end.QUOTEEither way, I think this should be an interesting round. So don't forget to check back during Xmas.
Check. -
Date: Fri, Dec 11 2009 20:45:39
IMO, iMatt's was the best...
Neptune made 3, and his mods were innovative and available, even tho they would dye out pretty quickly...
But iMatt's mod lit up in multiple colors, and I think that was Just amazing, and his mod was very sexy as well, but looked really hard to make..
Kam's mod was not a new mod, just adding a glow in the dark LED function, which was very cool, but not very innovative.
Sorry Kam... D: -
Date: Wed, Dec 30 2009 07:37:37QUOTE (Nation @ Dec 11 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>IMO, iMatt's was the best...
Neptune made 3, and his mods were innovative and available, even tho they would dye out pretty quickly...
But iMatt's mod lit up in multiple colors, and I think that was Just amazing, and his mod was very sexy as well, but looked really hard to make..
Kam's mod was not a new mod, just adding a glow in the dark LED function, which was very cool, but not very innovative.
Sorry Kam... D:
How was iMatt's the best? The LED function was only in the front of the mod when Kam's was all the way through with blacklight. -
Date: Wed, Dec 30 2009 10:56:05QUOTE (N00B Spinner @ Dec 30 2009, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How was iMatt's the best? The LED function was only in the front of the mod when Kam's was all the way through with blacklight.
If you can do better. Be my guest XD.
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Date: Wed, Dec 30 2009 17:39:21
imatt's mod had pluses and minuses. The ways it was better then Kam's was it was an original, was silent, and color changing.
but Kams mod was better cuz led was throughout the whole mod and i think it had a better asthetical(spelled wrong) appeal.
BUT IMO NEPTUNES WERE THE BEST
EDIT: just fully read nations post and he basically said wut i said
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Date: Wed, Dec 30 2009 18:55:57
I don't know about the durability of LED's in any of the pens, but Neptune's looks like you can drop it a lot of times w/o any problems.
LED's however, pose a different situation, since they can be cracked, etc.
2 LED's in one pen doesn't sound like a lot, but if you know anything about wiring them to have a switch between 1/2/off, I think you'll respect that in something like a pen, especially DIY...
iMatt's was the most original, too, if you look at it that way - 2 LED's - has that been done before? The mod itself wasn't transparent but translucent IIRC, and the other two mods, like others said, were prebuilt mods like firefly and vortex. Unless iMatt's was an SX or something, in which case ignore this point.
kam's was just hot... -
Date: Wed, Dec 30 2009 20:40:14
today are deadline.
GOODLUCK TO both of YOu guys -
Date: Thu, Dec 31 2009 05:39:11
D: where are the pens DX
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Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 16:17:26
Really sorry for the wait.
Happy New Year to all of you ^^
http://thespyre.net/penmoddingwt/?cat=3 -
Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 17:08:01
omg the poses make me lol xD
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Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 18:33:25
This is going to be a tough battle.
All the mods look really great. Kam's own design one is really sci fi lol, especially in penspinning. but won't it feel weird spinning with the glove that attracts and repels the pen during certain tricks? I guess you could always adapt to it. Simple looking but very good.
Neptune's mod looks really nice. I like the theme. Looks kinda complicated to use if you don't know how to operate it though, if you've never seen a mod like it before. -
Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 18:48:17
Nice mods from each. The only thing I didn't like about Kam's was the whole magnet thing. The invisible shield idea on Kam's mod made me laugh (I have invisable sheild on my cell phone). I thot makin Kt was to plain and Ayatori, well he already used ice cut. I don't know I think NEPTUNE should have done better. My favorite out of the 4 was chimera
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Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 19:51:35
IMO Neptune blew Kam out of the water. Demon KT was boring, just put tape cuts on a already boring mod. The magnet thing is just ridiculous, it's called "jumping the shark."
Yeah, Neptune redid the Ice cut, but it's different, and still sexy as hell. And Chimera is badass. -
Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 20:15:26
WoW photoshop work of kam is awesome O_O... But i didn't like the mod a lot :/...
I like the chimeria -
Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 20:19:05QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Jan 1 2010, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>All the mods look really great. Kam's own design one is really sci fi lol, especially in penspinning. but won't it feel weird spinning with the glove that attracts and repels the pen during certain tricks? I guess you could always adapt to it. Simple looking but very good.
the pen isn't a magnet, it's just metal. it can't repel it -
Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 20:20:50
Whoa. Intense poses, kam
[I really like the look of the cypher - the kt is ok]
As for neptune, my take on it is that the grip cut is damn fine, i guess there's not a lot to do for this "famous mod" part. As for the Chimera - Wow. Perhaps this is why he didn't use his LED idea for round 4?
Neptune's def. looks more practical, but Kam's pushes more towards "revolutions" in actual penspinning... Since these are two different components and they don't actually compete against each other in these rights I find it difficult to judge which is better.
@ People bawing about metal+magnetic pen: you don't have to spin it with the glove. xD -
Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 20:24:14
If people didn't notice already. THE ENTIRE ROUND IS RIDICULOUS LOL. (Loved Kam's video)
Personally In terms of creativity I'd have to give it Kam for the Cypher. Thinking outside of the box a little bit to add in a new dimension to pen-spinning(that being the glove mech)
The demon kt looks good but in all honesty most people were expecting some sort of a grip-cut mod of ridiculous proportion vs. simplicity.
Neptune's Ayatori looks pretty good, but I'm REALLY TIRED OF GRIP-CUTS. I think Neptune will win the famous mod round.
Regarding the Chimeria. It was pretty much Fusion Mod V.2. Had the same kind of aesthetics, the functionality of writing was a step forward. The LED's however were a bad choice imo, they don't compliment the colors at all. The problem is that all of the things he presented we've seen before.
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Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 23:01:47
Hey imatt? Why destroy my work?
You don't like my chimeria ? ok!!! No problem. But you are not obligated to be as agressive. You can dislike my mod, BUT YOU CANT destroy like this 70 hours of work. This is a project, a very important work for me, very difficult!!!! So think to it before critisize without tact. Im very bored by your message. It seem my mod is just a beginner creation, and i have not my place in this tournament Oo... -
Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 23:09:08
nice pose kam.
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Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 23:39:18
kam's vid was pretty epic. ahaha, that making kt meh :\ the cypher=unique idea, but kinda idk this isnt the reality of ps
but, ill give it to neptune cause he had 2 amazing pens, speecially the chimeria = kam got owned -
Date: Fri, Jan 1 2010 23:46:56
@imatt don't hate on Neptune for 3 reasons . One: Everyone else liked his mod, Two: Like he said spent 70 hours on that mod so don't go around saying it was bad. Three: He beat you (just kidding).
Just try to be a little nicer in your critisism. -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 00:09:24
I don't think what iMatt said is 'hating'. He's just saying his point of view and to me it wasn't like he was really having a go at neptune or his mods.
He's allowed his own opinion and although its negative about neptune he wasn't being overly harsh.QUOTE (Kirby @ Jan 1 2010, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Three: He beat you (just kidding).
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 00:42:16
i do sort of agree with imatt.
not hating on either modder here, but here's my opinion
all the mods are great, no doubt, but
yes, i too think grip cuts (although great) seem to be getting a bit old. every pen in soyp seems to have some sort of intricate grip cut
and kam's cypher mod.... dont you think its kinda.... dorky? creative idea and all, but....
the chimera, apart from the writing mech, its pretty much all the previous pens into this one, so on a creativity point of view, not that great
and kams video.... although great, from a film point of view.... doesn't really show much of the functionalities, and when it does, the over-dramatic video kinda over shadows it
you guys know you'ld get alot of positive (almost fanboy) feedback from most of us, you should see 'flames' as some constructive critisism, especially imatts, whose did have alot of content, as opposed to a bucketful of profanities
and my final verdict?
practicality: neptune
creativity: kam
aesthetics: maybe i'm a bit biased, seeing as red/black/white and chrome/black are my 2 favourite colour schemes (followed by yellow/black) but goes to kam -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 02:15:34
You guys all have good points.
Now that everyone metions it the gripcuts do get a little old. But I still think they were better then Kam (no offence)
I think Kam should have done a famous mod that wasnt already full of designs. What I'm saying is if you take a RSVP MX (just an example) and make it full of designs and make it totally awesome, then your taking a sorta boring mod and making it nice. But makin KT's already have complicated designes and nice appeal, so just making a really nice mod (design and asthetic wise) just a little bit better, isn't as cool as making a semi-boring mod awesome.
Honestly I thot Kam's was more creative and nicely done, while NEPTUNES had more asthetics and a nicer presentation.
Trying to keep critique as positive as possible. -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 04:17:57
Kam wins since he looks like a ninja assasin =p. lol both mods by both modders are really nice. Kam's is dark and unique. Neptune's looked like a typical neptune mod but the led and write ability makes it a bit more interesting. good luck to both~
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 04:58:48
Wow, that was corny as hell, Kam. Cypher reminds me of the venombk, cool but dorky. I like it though. Best of wishes.
Chillax, neptune. Imatt's criticism is valid and neither is he aggressive. The only aggressive post is strat's and his is towards Kam. -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 05:10:00
cypher LOL gives u the feeling of power ranger
EDIT: LOLOLOL TEO LOL OL OL OL OL DEMON VS JEDI LOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOL
KAM = WINNER
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The virus is like a symbiote..Venom XD
NEPTUNE was good with his chimera and ayatori...both look bad ass especially the chimera...Kam's mods were also great especially the cypher...the demon KT wasn't so impressive so I think NEPTUNE's ayatori would beat Kam's demon KT...but Cypher vs Chimera would be a tough battle since both look so good and have a nice function..I like the chimera...connectable bodies haha...but Kam presented his mods better so idk..good luck to the both of you -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 05:20:58
Kam's video is great.
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 05:23:00QUOTE (AwonW @ Jan 1 2010, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Kam's video is great.
Demon teo made my day =D. -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 05:27:42QUOTE (NEPTUNE @ Jan 1 2010, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hey imatt? Why destroy my work?
You don't like my chimeria ? ok!!! No problem. But you are not obligated to be as agressive. You can dislike my mod, BUT YOU CANT destroy like this 70 hours of work. This is a project, a very important work for me, very difficult!!!! So think to it before critisize without tact. Im very bored by your message. It seem my mod is just a beginner creation, and i have not my place in this tournament Oo...QUOTE (Kirby @ Jan 1 2010, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@imatt don't hate on Neptune for 3 reasons . One: Everyone else liked his mod, Two: Like he said spent 70 hours on that mod so don't go around saying it was bad. Three: He beat you (just kidding).
Just try to be a little nicer in your critisism.
Uh, iMatt wasn't being aggressive at all. He criticized the entries like anyone is entitled to, making it clear that he was simple expressing his opinions.
1) Because everyone else liked his mod? You think THAT'S a valid argument as to why he should like it too? That's not even true, I didn't like it.
2) He spent 70 hours on it? So if i spent 70 hours folding a paperclip into the perfect shape for penspinning, no one would be allowed to tell me how shitty it is? That's ridiculous.
3) And you want him to be positive? Don't be a hypocrite. -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 05:28:24
Don't kid me, iMatt's criticism was not aggressive enough to be an insult
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 06:15:09
You know, we could all sit here and just restate old facts in order to increase our posts counts, but thats just completely pointless. If you don't have anything new to say, don't post.
The reason I feel as though Neptune may have thought iMatt's opinions were harsh was most likely due to his lack of full comprehension of the English language. As a result, he probably translated iMatt's post through Babelfish or another translator, and the resulting translation may have been more harsh that iMatt intended. -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 07:08:33
Wow. People like taking things out context around here.
I'm friends with Neptune XD. His english isn't the best considering he speaks french primarily.
Thing called, "Lost In Translation."
Anyways It was just what I thought personally about the mods.
Let me end this argument by pleasing the fanboy's real quick: "OMG NEPTUNES MOD WAZ TEH GREATESTSS AND HE SHOULDZ WINZORZ."
*cough* I digress.
Now, let me break down my opinions here. I approach modding with a very realistic sense of mods. Mainly whether somebody else could make this mod and cost.
Neptune said he had put 70hrs of work into his pen. That's great and all, but how many other people are going spend 70hrs making a few pens? It's those kind of things that I don't find beneficial to the pen community. What good is a mod that nobody else can make?
The other issue I took issue with is the grip-cuts. I have no problem with them, they're difficult to do, but after using them on each mod (to me) gets repetitive and loses some of that originality/novelty.
Regarding Kam's mods. I personally preferred the Cipher mod simply because it executed a lightly treaded concept of spinning, which is through the use of magnets. The mod aesthetically is more simple, but it looks durable and cleanly made. Then to also make a mechanism to take advantage of the pen itself is a task in itself. Either way I can see this being more practical to spinning.
I do think his Demon KT was maybe a bit too simple for the final round. The design is great when you see the full layout of it, but most people will shrug it off for being JUST a makin KT.
Sum up:
Original Mod Pick: Kam
Famous Mod Pick: Neptune -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 10:58:17
Hi guys, thanks for the feedback and criticism.
Let me start by saying that both of us have spent a lot of hours and money on our mods (I know this because Neptune and I talk on MSN once in a while). So, please forgive us if we take things a little personal. I'm sure we both treat our mods as our babies ^^
To be on the safe side, here's a little tip on constructive criticism:
1. Stay with more facts than opinion. Ex: "The mod looks a bit simple" rather than "I didn't like it. The mod was boring". The first one tells you the reason. The second one doesn't and is a bit offensive.
2. Try not to be biased and see both pros and cons. There's always good and bad sides to a mod. If you can't find the good, at least appreciate the effort the modder has put into it.
3. Start with the good first (that way the modder doesn't get defensive and ignore your positive comments that follow)
4. Try to put yourself in the person's shoes (sometimes it's hard, but the effort alone will give you plenty of insight)
ok, enough about that...on to the mods
Neptune, I think your mods are great. The Ayatori mod was something I expected (I guessed you would do either Ayatori or Kuzu mod ^^ ) but the Chimeria was very surprising o.O Excellent job
I myself have tried to put a lot of things into one single mod (for my 911 mod), and I know it's very difficult to do it. You were able to incorporate the themes for all 4 previous rounds into one, and you kept the mod spinnable.....and....you didn't hurt yourself in the process....very impressive ^^
Now, people probably misunderstood the purpose of the famous mod. It is not meant to be innovative or original, but rather test/showcase the modder's technical skills in modding. In fact, we were not allowed to improve or change things on the mod. With that in mind, think of which mods you can really showcase your modding skills without altering the mod? Not too many
I chose the Makin KT because in my view, making an exact replica of a mod or changing just the insert is not enough for a final round. So that left me with grip cuts or tape cuts. I know Neptune is the best at grip cuts, so making a Kuzu or Ayatori would not be a wise idea. I made the Makin KT because I wanted to try a new modding technique...and because it allowed me to use the "weapon" aspect of a KT into my storyline for the demon spinner.
What's the new modding technique? It's using a printed design with tape cutting to make precise shapes that can fit into each other. This also allowed me to cut a negative of the design to make a second pen with a little extra time (woo hoo...two pens for one design cut ) here's a picture showing the two pens in the process of being made.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk173/k...ds/PC190786.jpg
now...about the Cypher...
It was meant to be an exagerated story...I based it on Densen's 2409 storyline and built on it with his permission.
The Cypher was built because I wanted a new way of spinning pens. I've been spinning pens for a long time, and after a while, you realize that even though combos get fancier and more difficult, the moves are still based on Arounds, Top Spins, Passes, Charges, Sonic/Shadows, aerials, etc. While I have not mastered them all, I like to try different things once in a while.
So...introduce a new force...magnetic force....that you can place anywhere you want in your hand. Then you can really change things in your spinning (or mess it up completely) But in order to make it usable, you really have learn to spin with a glove first (unless you tape the magnets to your hand directly, which works but doesn't look as ridiculous xD ). Spinning with a glove in itself is a challenge, but very fun.
The real challenge was making the mod a really spinnable mod (looks heavy, but those who tried it at the gathering can testify it's not that heavy) that looked slick and futuristic.
Finding just the right batteries to make the body (most metal pens are made of aluminum or other material that does not get attracted to magnets) was tough. I had to find the shiniest batteries, and then polish it with a dremel xD
Then another issue is the fact that metal is just so slippery...which is why most people don't like using metal mods. So I added invisible shield (a military grade protective film) that not only made the body softer and grippier, but almost invincible to scratches. I can run my keys or a metal file on the body without it getting a single scratch...just love this feature ^^
The down side of the Cypher is its cost. Everything together cost over $100 to make.
Anyways, I had a lot of fun making the Cypher, and specially the video...lol. Big thanks to Christine, Alyssa and Teo for helping me so much with the video. You guys rock ^^
I probably could have made a better presentation of the features of the pen, but oh well.
Neptune, this was a fun (but very tiring) round. I think I really undesestimated you on this last round. If I lose, I will want a rematch (just for fun) after we take a long break
Either way, I learned tons from this tournament, and I hope those of you who followed did too. I hope to see great mods in the coming future
It's not enough to just watch and say "that's cool...but I would never be able to do that". You can make anything you set your mind to. You just have to figure out how ^^ -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 12:54:44
So i will give an answer^^.
I will try to speak in a good english x)...
So first, i didn't tell i thought imatt told he hate me, but he disllike my mod. Imatt and me are friend on msn i told with him during this tournament. Just disapointed he dislike my Chimeria.
I read lot of critisize about my chimeria, so i would like reply.
The first point i heard is : "the chimeria is not very original, and all things are already seen."
Yes, you saw the led mod last round! Yes you saw a writing mod before, and body cut and cut grip etc... And i'm happy that you recognized all this point. Because my aim was to take everythings has been ever done ( so==> not original!) BUT to put it in one mod! (this is the original test i choose!).
What is the purpose of this tournament? (i ask me this question )
It's to develop all the modding knowledge, extendthe modding possibility. and this tournament succeded on this test! Look all thing what all participant have created!!! Body cut ( tetris mos/ 911) new writing system (iHide) New design discover (joker poker, dragon mod!) new electronic application ( tazer mod Oo, Icandy, firefly luminous)...
I think it's awesome to discover all this thing. So i told me "but, imagine all these discover in one mod!!!" and i worked on it. I wanted to prove that all this discover have application!
I wanted to prove that i could do a technical and electronic mod. For the design, yes it look like the fusion mod. And i searched a similar design for my chimeria. I wanted it. Because as well the led system from kam and the body cut from tetris liked to people, the design of my fusion mod was liked.
I wanted to do a mod with everything that people liked. It was very difficult and i'm sad that some people didn't see the effort on this work ^^".
About the video. I received some comment told me that my video was ridiculus. And other people told me they think it look like a video editing tournament more than a pen modding tournament.
Just the first part was edited by skyblue, like a "promotion" for my work. After, the second part (1.18/ the end)was edited by me. So you can understand the editing was not my priority xD. I was necesary to show the luminous system and the writing or depreciation system. A video is optionnal, but i couldn't show every thing only with pics.
About the cut grip, some people are boring by the cut grip. Ok so i will not do it. I don't understand why because on the beginning some peopleliked the cut grip. BUT cut grip was not my purpose in this round. Except on the ayatori (can you imagine an ayatori without cut grip?xD).
I choose ayatori, because now with the pmwt discover, we can extend the design of this mod (often show in blue/white, black/white, or red/white design^^"...)
So it was just the answer about the critisize.
About kam work.
I have to tel im a little disapointed about the makin kt. Because i told with kam before the round, and he told me, his demon kt will be in red and black (one of my favorite color sheme!! look his impact in tek photobucket album!!!*_*). But the final color sheme is red/blackand white!
.... oh yes i forgot, its a makin kt! xD So the cut on the body is really impressive, i liked it. But i tell iwould have prefer in black/red only ^^.
About the cypher: OMG. Awesome mod really. I couldn't imagine it from my opponent xD. I knew that it was a very expensive mod, but like this Oo.... Very beautifull and finished work for new possibility in penspinning!!! And the photoshop work is amazing! ^^.
Very good job kam! And i want a second battle too if i lose vs you.
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 13:18:58QUOTE (NEPTUNE @ Jan 2 2010, 07:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>So i will give an answer^^.
I will try to speak in a good english x)...
So first, i didn't tell i thought imatt told he hate me, but he disllike my mod. Imatt and me are friend on msn i told with him during this tournament. Just disapointed he dislike my Chimeria.
I read lot of critisize about my chimeria, so i would like reply.
The first point i heard is : "the chimeria is not very original, and all things are already seen."
Yes, you saw the led mod last round! Yes you saw a writing mod before, and body cut and cut grip etc... And i'm happy that you recognized all this point. Because my aim was to take everythings has been ever done ( so==> not original!) BUT to put it in one mod! (this is the original test i choose!).
What is the purpose of this tournament? (i ask me this question )
It's to develop all the modding knowledge, extendthe modding possibility. and this tournament succeded on this test! Look all thing what all participant have created!!! Body cut ( tetris mos/ 911) new writing system (iHide) New design discover (joker poker, dragon mod!) new electronic application ( tazer mod Oo, Icandy, firefly luminous)...
I think it's awesome to discover all this thing. So i told me "but, imagine all these discover in one mod!!!" and i worked on it. I wanted to prove that all this discover have application!
I wanted to prove that i could do a technical and electronic mod. For the design, yes it look like the fusion mod. And i searched a similar design for my chimeria. I wanted it. Because as well the led system from kam and the body cut from tetris liked to people, the design of my fusion mod was liked.
I wanted to do a mod with everything that people liked. It was very difficult and i'm sad that some people didn't see the effort on this work ^^".
About the video. I received some comment told me that my video was ridiculus. And other people told me they think it look like a video editing tournament more than a pen modding tournament.
Just the first part was edited by skyblue, like a "promotion" for my work. After, the second part (1.18/ the end)was edited by me. So you can understand the editing was not my priority xD. I was necesary to show the luminous system and the writing or depreciation system. A video is optionnal, but i couldn't show every thing only with pics.
About the cut grip, some people are boring by the cut grip. Ok so i will not do it. I don't understand why because on the beginning some peopleliked the cut grip. BUT cut grip was not my purpose in this round. Except on the ayatori (can you imagine an ayatori without cut grip?xD).
I choose ayatori, because now with the pmwt discover, we can extend the design of this mod (often show in blue/white, black/white, or red/white design^^"...)
So it was just the answer about the critisize.
About kam work.
I have to tel im a little disapointed about the makin kt. Because i told with kam before the round, and he told me, his demon kt will be in red and black (one of my favorite color sheme!! look his impact in tek photobucket album!!!*_*). But the final color sheme is red/blackand white!.... oh yes i forgot, its a makin kt! xD So the cut on the body is really impressive, i liked it. But i tell iwould have prefer in black/red only ^^.
About the cypher: OMG. Awesome mod really. I couldn't imagine it from my opponent xD. I knew that it was a very expensive mod, but like this Oo.... Very beautifull and finished work for new possibility in penspinning!!! And the photoshop work is amazing! ^^.
Very good job kam! And i want a second battle too if i lose vs you.
So we'll see the result, and continue the comment!!!
dont be sad =D . i have to say i like how chimera writes. very special. i only disliked the LED colour. white wasnt a good choice because it didnt fit in the theme imo. -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 13:54:38
Kam and Nep, the work you gave for the beginning of the PMWT is just stunning =), you belong to the stars of pen modding.
Good luck to both of you -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 18:47:29QUOTE (iMatt @ Jan 2 2010, 07:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Neptune said he had put 70hrs of work into his pen. That's great and all, but how many other people are going spend 70hrs making a few pens? It's those kind of things that I don't find beneficial to the pen community. What good is a mod that nobody else can make?
You're forgetting this is a tournament not what anybody else is going to do afterwards, so both can do whatever they want. Plus Kam spent i think the same amount of time plus more money to make his mod. I believe $100 for Kam's mod and $80 for Neptunes mod from Teks evaluation or something.
Also i don't understand why everybody is talking about how they've already seen grip cuts before, lol this is an already made mod category!
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 23:36:58QUOTEThe down side of the Cypher is its cost. Everything together cost over $100 to make. I was hoping that these final mods would be replicable (w/o gripcut/xsert designs of course) at a somewhat manageable cost for casual modding.
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Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 01:49:12
great mods! both of you.
i must note btw...we cant really base how good these mods are by just looking at pictures and videos.
i have used kams orginal mod and i must say it is fantastic. but really, if i were to have only seen a picture/video of it, i would have thought it was super boring. after trying it out and kam telling me all
about it, i started to admire it a lot more. just the little details like for example...kam used batteries to make the body. Are you kidding me...freaking batteries o.O. it would be so hard to cut the batteries
perfectly, clean off the logo, drain out the chemicals, then mod it. He said he tried tons of batteries to see which ones where the shiniest...O.O
Using the inviable shield stuff is freaking incredible too. i would have never thought of using that to put on pens. They are originally made to protect electronics. It gives a great feel to the body! very
grippy but not too grippy that it interfears with spinning. it is the best texture for spinning ive ever felt. The only thing is that it costs so much = =. If you think about it, kam risked a lot of money just to try
it out. It could have turned out badly and he could have lost a lot of money.
The stitching/sowing is pretty damn original. not only did it work a lot better than super glue it looks way cooler as well. something you must see in person to really admire.
i could go on all day but im not...
i really wish i could see neptunes mods in person as well. it looks real really great but like i said, pictures/videos can be very deceiving...especially if they are edited.
One thing i really admire from Neptune's mod from just looking at the pictures/descriptions is that everything is all in one mod. only the people that have actually tried it know how hard it can be. not only
does it have fantastic grip cuts but is also led and it can write in a special way. He defiantly made a statement to the people that said the glow sticks weren't original in the last round. its like him
saying "i could have made an LED mod in the last round, i just wanted to do something a little different than the others."
No matter who comes out victorious, you both are winners in my book. -
Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 01:53:27
Wait... is invisible shield a screen protector? or some kind of spray... I thought it was a spray O.o
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Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 02:01:38QUOTE (Shimo @ Jan 2 2010, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wait... is invisible shield a screen protector? or some kind of spray... I thought it was a spray O.o
its like a rubbery screen protector. -
Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 02:03:25QUOTE (Ktk @ Jan 2 2010, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was hoping that these final mods would be replicable (w/o gripcut/xsert designs of course) at a somewhat manageable cost for casual modding.
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Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 05:28:31
I'm curious what percentage of each original mod actually comes from pen parts.
I'm sorry, but batteries + metal rods =/= pen ... It's a mini-baton at that point
But also on the other side, I wouldn't be surprised if Chimera was <50% as well -
Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 08:40:56QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jan 2 2010, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm curious what percentage of each original mod actually comes from pen parts.
I'm sorry, but batteries + metal rods =/= pen ... It's a mini-baton at that point
But also on the other side, I wouldn't be surprised if Chimera was <50% as well
In the future, pens have been banned...so I had to use batteries to replace the bodies
No, seriously...that kind of attitude/mentality is what keeps pen spinning from moving forward. There has already been arguments over that. If you want mods to use only pen parts, then you wouldn't have any MX variations (since paper is not a pen part) or any mods that use tape, glue, etc. It's like saying pen spinning shouldn't use air tricks, because that would make us jugglers and we'd all have to work at the circus. It's just too close-minded.
With that said, I believe modders have to use good judgement in order to find what's an acceptable material and what's not. I used batteries for a very specific reason: it needed to be metallic, and it needed to be ferromagnetic (gets attracted to magnets). Most metal pens in the market will not stick to a magnet (try it), so I had to resort to other things. Note that I did not pick batteries just to make it hard or different. It had a purpose.
Obviously, i would be against unconventional materials used if it served no purpose at all. For example, I wouldn't make a mod out of carrots just for the heck of it. xD
But, to answer your question...here are the parts for the Cypher...you can figure out the percentage yourself since I don't know if you are referring to mass, volume, visible area, or what
pen:
Impact tips
American Dr. Grip metal rings
Japaene Dr. Grip grips
profile grips
sailor gel grips
color twin bodies
supertip bodies
battery shells (non-pen part)
invisible shield (non-pen part)
sewing thread (non-pen part)
glove:
working glove (non-pen part)
magnets (non-pen part)
electric tape (non-pen part)
arm strap:
dog harness (non-pen part)
velcro (non-pen part)
magnets (non-pen part)
retractable mech:
airfit grip
profile grip
watch (non-pen part)
magnet (non-pen part)
sewing thread (non-pen part)
retractable keychain (non-pen part)
metal wire (non-pen part)
silicon adhesive (non-pen part)
For the pen itself, it's mostly pen parts...but for the rest, they are mostly not (kinda hard to make a glove out of pen parts, hah) -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 07:38:50
Wow, to both Kam and Neptune. All 4 mods were fantastic, looked amazing and i must say, pretty damn sexeh. Both modders made mods that are uncomparable. The mod reflects the amount of work and dedication that the modders had. Congratz to both of you for making such amazing mods.
Now, to begin the critisism:
Ill start with Kam first since i saw those mods first.
Lets begin with the Demon KT:
The base of this mod was pretty original; body, tips, grips, etc. was nice. The only thing outside of the ordinary was the tape design, which ofcourse was very nice. IMO the mod seemed as if it didnt take very long (compared to the Cypher). I dont see how the mod took 10+ of work. Was it mostly working on the tape designs? Although it was a very nice cut, i think the mod could have had alittle more work. But very nice mod overall
The Cypher: WOW. i really liked this mod. This mod seemed amazing, just by looking at the pictures. i liked how Kam tried to revive using a magnet. The body of the mod, made from batteries?!?! that must have taken hours of work. The design of the mod is just insane, its so amazing. The mod truly reflects the amount of work put into it. I cant really find any flaws in this mod, except of the insane amount of money it costs to make (plus the trails). The total amount is probably large enough to cover several mods.
Also from TEK's posts, i like the mod even more. I am interested in how Kam made the body. It must have truly taken hours of work. If a tut was to be released, it would be too long that no one would want to read the entire thing
Neptune, congratz on finishing your mods, they both looks amazing
I was also expecting you to make a mod with some kind of insane gripcut, and ofcourse you did.
The Ayatori mod looks really nice.
The cuts are amazing, the color scheme is insane, and the overall appeal of the mod is "off the charts". Good job on making it look good.
I have a few complains though: I agree with iMatt saying that the gripcuts are getting old, they kind of are. I know you are amazing at doing gripcuts and all, but thats all it seems you do. It wouldnt hurt to try something new once in a while. I like Kam's mods slightly more because it seems he tries something new each time. Instead, you focus alot on your grips, which get old after seeing it on each mod you make. Sorry i rant alot That is probably my only complaint.
The Chimera though... was something new. It was slick and sexy and very cool and good looking and etc. etc
I didnt expect something like this.
I liked the mod overall. you put alot of work into it and you can tell. The mod functions very well. Its a pen and can write and looks very nice. Wow, im speechless. My one complain is that the mod seems more of a "must-have mod" rather than a "spinning" mod.
REMEMBER: These are my opinions. You can critize on them all you want but please do not turn this into a flame-war. -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 20:49:51
Yup, great battle (a little too epic with the both videos XD)
About each mod :
Kam
Demon-KT : i think an other mod will be better for this tournament (not ayatori or kuzu like you said), but the modding is weak (the render don't depend of the time past on it) for the finale, i expected much from you.
Cypher : very disapointed, too much things around the mod to be a real mod used (glove, watch etc...) but look cool.
About video : epic just ^^
You didn't talk very much about your mods, what a pity (i would like know how you do and some others specifications ^^)
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Neptune :
Ayatori mod : look cool and great grip cutting
Chimera : new with old things (a summary of your tournament) but very hard and we see the work with the video and pictures
About video : i don't like the intro, and your camera can't permit to see the grip cutting very much, and chimera it's good.
A good ending for this finale
IMO Neptune win, and the 2 spinners made a very good tournament. Congratulations Kam and Neptune -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 21:01:07QUOTE (Kam @ Jan 3 2010, 03:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>In the future, pens have been banned...so I had to use batteries to replace the bodies
haha, it's good to see you have a sense of humor about it, I realized after that what I said could have been taken the wrong way, I certainly didn't mean anything derogatory.
But in all honesty, I mean there's no one answer to which of us is "right" about pen spinning in general. I can't really tell you that you're wrong and you can't say that I'm wrong, it's just opinions. Yes I'm a little more conservative about it, because I think that there has to be a line after which it's not pen spinning, but other's don't believe that. To say I'm "closed-minded" I think is a little overboard, but I see where you're coming from.
But also now seeing the list I see that it is more pen parts than I had originally thought, so I'm definitely impressed (even more than I originally was).
Little off-topic, but IMHO, the BASE of the mod has to be pen for it to count ... if someone takes something and adds pen parts to it (like grips/tips on like a lead rod or something), it's not a pen mod. But if you add stuff (tape, paper, glue etc) to a pen, it's just a modification of that pen.
Anyway, just what I was thinking.
Congrats to both modders, very, VERY well done. -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 21:06:32
There really was no restrictions or rules for this competition so anything goes. You could of technically outsourced part of the work to other modders / designers and it is technically legit.
You could of put together a mod made out of vegetables and it would been fine^^.
Both are definitely interesting and probably cost/took more time than one should spend but definitely interesting. I'd have to look at each more closely to get a better idea =p -
Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 15:18:52
kam has won!!!
Congratulations for this huge achievement!!
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 15:25:41
Whoa!!! 0.5 points!!
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 19:43:58
0.5 pts is a ridiculously close margin.
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 20:32:16
Thanks guys ^^
omg...0.5pt...So close o.O
I think we can say both Neptune and I are winners ^^ Neptune did an amazing job on his last round, and I would not be surprised if he had beat me. His Chimeria must have been very difficult to make, and his Ayatori has godly grip cuts as always. But we both had very different mods, so the scores ended up being very close.
I don't believe there are any "losers" in the tournament. We all won a lot of experience making new mods, made new friends, got new scars xD, etc.... and while our mods may not be easy to make, I hope they will inspire new spinners to try new things.
I want to thank everyone who supported, and even those that hated my mods (because you told me how to improve). I also thank Near for organizing this difficult event...i know it's hard to hear all the complaints people have when things are not perfect. I thank all my oppnents, and modders I did not have a chance to battle against (I looked at all the mods and there were many good ones ^^ ).
But I especially want to thank my gf, my family (for taking me to the hospital xD) and my friends who helped me out with suggestions, video filming, etc. I could not have finished the tournament without you.
This was fun ^^
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 20:35:07
Great job to both. Close...so very close
Now...time to auction off the mods! =p haha*jk -
Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 20:42:38
Congratulations both Kam and Neptune!! You both are winners in my my eyes
Great mods. -
Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 21:08:28
KAM technically won but because the difference was only .5 point then I call it a tie. congrats Kam and Neptune
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 21:09:01
haha grats Kam! Nice job all
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 22:05:51
Woot! congrats! you both did a great job!
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 22:08:05
time + money = tons
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 22:32:01QUOTE (Penwish @ Jan 2 2010, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Kam wins since he looks like a ninja assasin =p.
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 22:38:28
congrats kam! neptune had great mods as well, good job to you too ^^ it was awesome being able to be a part of this tournament, thanks to near/all of the PMWT "staff" for holding this event! ^^
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 23:29:17
Congrats Kam!
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 23:33:26
Congrats kam!
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Date: Thu, Jan 14 2010 01:39:30
Alright, Kam! I knew you were going to win. Congratz! You didn't let me down.
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Date: Thu, Jan 14 2010 08:41:35QUOTE (Kam @ Jan 14 2010, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thanks guys ^^
omg...0.5pt...So close o.O
I think we can say both Neptune and I are winners ^^ Neptune did an amazing job on his last round, and I would not be surprised if he had beat me. His Chimeria must have been very difficult to make, and his Ayatori has godly grip cuts as always. But we both had very different mods, so the scores ended up being very close.
I don't believe there are any "losers" in the tournament. We all won a lot of experience making new mods, made new friends, got new scars xD, etc.... and while our mods may not be easy to make, I hope they will inspire new spinners to try new things.
I want to thank everyone who supported, and even those that hated my mods (because you told me how to improve). I also thank Near for organizing this difficult event...i know it's hard to hear all the complaints people have when things are not perfect. I thank all my oppnents, and modders I did not have a chance to battle against (I looked at all the mods and there were many good ones ^^ ).
But I especially want to thank my gf, my family (for taking me to the hospital xD) and my friends who helped me out with suggestions, video filming, etc. I could not have finished the tournament without you.
This was fun ^^
Kam
wait what?
ConGratz!! =DD i hope you're still alive!^^ -
Date: Thu, Jan 14 2010 17:31:10
Congradulations on the win Kam this round was insane. I like the creativity of the future-mod with the magnets and spider-man retreiver and all the gimmicks. One improvement idea for the magnet thingys might be to use electromagnets instead so you could turn them on or off. This would require a significant power source but in the future that shouldnt be a problem lol. Plus the "kt" mod or whatever has really cool sticker work on it it looks perfectly symmetrical and I bet that pen spins like a mofo.
Neptune, great job, unlike most members here I am kind of a n00b so I havent really seen grip cuts that much , I thought this fire/ice mod was AMAZING, even my fiance who doesn't really like penspinning, she saw that mod pen and goes "wow! that looks really good!" The other one looks a little busy to me (a lot of features in that one) but I really like how the pen is removable as part of the back-cap.
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Date: Fri, Jan 15 2010 00:40:10
@Kari-Chan: accident while modding the 911...It left me a small scar, but I'm still alive ^^
@fletch: yes, the original idea is to use electro magnets to bring the pen back to your hand when it detects that the pen is falling. Well, I think with the current technology and my current electronics knowledge this was a bit far fetched, so I ended up making a spider man like pen fetcher. I think it's still pretty cool xD
Warning: The following is a long piece of text analyzing the scores for this last battle. It is not intended for those with a short attention span
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Date: Fri, Jan 15 2010 02:14:48
Congrats Kam!!
You deserve it with all that hard work.
also props for Neptune for coming so far. He didn't win but I think they're both winners
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Date: Fri, Jan 15 2010 19:51:15
Congratulations Kam and Neptune =)
In my opinion this tournament has two winners
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Date: Wed, Jan 20 2010 01:16:58
If both spinner don't mind tallying up the total hours and 4 spent that would give everyone a better indication of the tough work put into this tournament
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Date: Fri, Jan 22 2010 02:21:03
I recall Kam saying something about using over $1000 on research alone, although I don't remember where.