UPSB v3
Fundamental Tricks / Charge Normal Thread
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Date: Sun, Jul 1 2007 00:43:54
Use this thread to discuss the Charge (note, Charge Reverse, and othre variants have their own threads).
Brief Description: The pen is rotated in a stationary slot (usually learned in 23 first) by moving the fingers holding it slightly. The push is usually the ring finger being moved slightly inward while the middle finger is held relatively stationary. The ring finger is then pushed back to its originl position in order to complete the rotation. This trick may be done repeatedly very fast to look somewhat flashy to non-PSers. This trick is also not very difficult but possibly the hardest to understand fundamental and it is therefore encouraged that you look closely at the links below to help you understand.
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UCPSB V2 Thread
Video Tutorial by Eso
UPSB V3 Article
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 00:32:42
Is there a way to do charge palm down for more than 1 rotation? gravity gets the better of me
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 00:36:42
yes its possible, but it takes practice. A middle gripped pen would also help. However it is not very importan to learn, since in combos it will be unlikely that you will use more than one rotation anyway.
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 00:54:39QUOTE (Clam @ Sep 16 2007, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is there a way to do charge palm down for more than 1 rotation? gravity gets the better of me
It's easier to learn by keeping the COP/COG above your hand if you're learning charge palm down. I hope that makes sense. -
Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 00:57:01
Someone once thought that he came up with this variation himself and called it "helicopter". Take K4S' advice and try to keep the pen spinning as flat as you can above your fingers.
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 01:13:21QUOTE (K4S @ Sep 16 2007, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's easier to learn by keeping the COP/COG above your hand if you're learning charge palm down. I hope that makes sense.
ok thanks and will do
It might not be too practical but I just want to learn it
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 02:38:32QUOTE (Eburt @ Jun 30 2007, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Use this thread to discuss the Charge (note, Charge Reverse, and othre variants have their own threads).
Brief Description: The pen is rotated in a stationary slot (usually learned in 23 first) by moving the fingers holding it slightly. The push is usually the ring finger being moved slightly inward while the middle finger is held relatively stationary. The ring finger is then pushed back to its originl position in order to complete the rotation. This trick may be done repeatedly very fast to look somewhat flashy to non-PSers. This trick is also not very difficult but possibly the hardest to understand fundamental and it is therefore encouraged that you look closely at the links below to help you understand.
Links:
UCPSB V2 Thread
Video Tutorial by Eso
UPSB V3 Article
TurtleSpin Article
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 02:59:44
TurtleSpin link is down. The UPSB article got deleted due to an error. We'll get them back up eventually. This is true of all of these fundy articles...
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Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 06:16:41
I'm having trouble transitioning from the reverse charge to the normal charge.
I started out with doing rev charge with fingers 1-2, learned to do it on 2-3, and now i'm trying to learn how to do the norm charge on either 1-2, or 2-3 (preferably 2-3).
Whenever i attempt to do it, though, i either
a. Move it back and forth
b. spin it once, and revert back to rev charge
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Date: Fri, Sep 21 2007 06:25:50QUOTE (TheStandardSix @ Sep 21 2007, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>a. Move it back and forth
b. spin it once, and revert back to rev charge
Both will happen a lot when you are trying to learn to charge the other way...happens to everyone. When i was trying to learn charge in the other direction i found using something heavy like a drumstick was very helpful...it teaches your fingers the new movement and feeling of charging the other way. Once you can do it fluidly with the drumstick move onto a pen. -
Date: Wed, Oct 3 2007 19:57:28
I'm having some trouble with the 23 Charge.. I can do it wonderfully, except the pen always falls out of the tips of my fingers, or drifts so I'm basically gripping one end and twirling the rest.
I use a v10 Pendolsa Comssa, or the new mod R²SG2VP. -
Date: Wed, Oct 3 2007 20:06:09QUOTE (LinkMaster03 @ Oct 3 2007, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm having some trouble with the 23 Charge.. I can do it wonderfully, except the pen always falls out of the tips of my fingers, or drifts so I'm basically gripping one end and twirling the rest.
I use a v10 Pendolsa Comssa, or the new mod R²SG2VP.
well sorry to say but just keep practicing, i had this problem (still have it in charge 34) and eventually you kind of get a feel of how to guide the pen up and down while charging (atleast i did). keep practicing
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Date: Wed, Oct 3 2007 23:43:40QUOTE (TheStandardSix @ Sep 21 2007, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm having trouble transitioning from the reverse charge to the normal charge.
I started out with doing rev charge with fingers 1-2, learned to do it on 2-3, and now i'm trying to learn how to do the norm charge on either 1-2, or 2-3 (preferably 2-3).
Whenever i attempt to do it, though, i either
a. Move it back and forth
b. spin it once, and revert back to rev charge
any tips?
That's what happened to me
I put off learning charge normal for a very long time. Have you watched Eso's tutorial? It helped me to learn it.
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Date: Tue, Oct 9 2007 00:26:58
Ive got this trick down pretty much, except for sometimes the pen sort of slides to one end then it basically twirls by that end inbetween my fingers. Is there any way to fix this?
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Date: Tue, Oct 9 2007 00:36:10QUOTE (xar3si @ Oct 8 2007, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ive got this trick down pretty much, except for sometimes the pen sort of slides to one end then it basically twirls by that end inbetween my fingers. Is there any way to fix this?
Just practice. Practice makes perfect. -
Date: Sat, Oct 13 2007 08:57:58
One problem I have with the Charge, is that most times I attempt to do it, my fingers kinda automatically do the sonic. I am able to do the charge between the index and middle finger fine, but I'm finding it hard to do the charge between my ring and middle finger.
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Date: Sat, Oct 13 2007 21:13:35
Muscle memory is forcing your hands to do sonic...happens to everyone learning and in different situations. When this happened to me i usually hold the pen in my other hand and guide in the correct motion over and over again so my brain would stop automatically doing something else. After that, practice doing charge slower, even if the charge doesnt really make the right motion so your brain can again learn the correct muscle memory. And then after you stop automatically doing sonics you can practice getting charge fast/smooth.
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Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 08:32:09
I was able to get the Sonic down in the last few days, but am completely failing to get the Charge.
I can get maybe two revolutions before I lose the spin completely, and am just waving the pen up and down. Most sites just say to keep moving the ring finger back and forth to keep it going, but that's not working for me. Do I just need more practice, or am I missing something here? -
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 09:56:48QUOTE (mikekearn @ Oct 20 2007, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I was able to get the Sonic down in the last few days, but am completely failing to get the Charge.
I can get maybe two revolutions before I lose the spin completely, and am just waving the pen up and down. Most sites just say to keep moving the ring finger back and forth to keep it going, but that's not working for me. Do I just need more practice, or am I missing something here?
you can use the middle finger as a support...also do you make the ring finger go outwards after it goes down or you just put it back straight?.. -
Date: Sat, Oct 20 2007 10:01:27QUOTE (bry @ Oct 20 2007, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>you can use the middle finger as a support...also do you make the ring finger go outwards after it goes down or you just put it back straight?..
I bring my ring finger down (in towards my palm) then straight again; I don't really push it out at all past my other fingers. I've also noticed that I can do it longer if I hold the pen with the tips of my fingers, but then it tends to slip and fly off at times.
EDIT: By, George, I think I've got it! I can keep it going for a while now, but it's a very precarious balance between keeping it far enough towards the tips of my fingers to keep it going and keeping it far enough in to not have it fly off. -
Date: Tue, Oct 23 2007 21:00:53
I've got a question for people who can do the charge good. How long can you guys do it without stopping at all? Can you guys do it for like hours non stop, or do you guys have to stop every once in a while to give it another good push for more speed or something? >_>
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Date: Tue, Oct 23 2007 21:19:49
idk about the first question, but the second part of your statement, every rotation is a push, so there would be no need to stop to give it a good push for speed unless you slowly drifted to the end of the pen
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Date: Tue, Oct 23 2007 21:33:46
Yeah I guess I didn't think about that since I always mess up after a couple spins and need to start over. >_<
Edit: Also, whenever I try to do this trick my fingers always end up sliding to the end of the pen pretty quickly. Do I need to hold the pen harder, or is this just something that I'll fix with practice? -
Date: Tue, Oct 23 2007 22:40:48QUOTE (Zamp @ Oct 23 2007, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Edit: Also, whenever I try to do this trick my fingers always end up sliding to the end of the pen pretty quickly. Do I need to hold the pen harder, or is this just something that I'll fix with practice?
It seems for me that just continuing to practice helps me get a better grip on the pen. When I started last week I couldn't do more than a full rotation, and now I can go for quite a while, though I haven't tested my limits yet. I'm just trying to make sure I can do it properly and without slipping before I go for doing it as long as possible. -
Date: Tue, Oct 23 2007 22:46:37
I don't think that anyone could really do it for hours... if for no reason other than boredom
But honestly its not that hard to keep going for a long time. Once your fingers get used to it you won't really have to restart it unless it gets to one side... as for that, well I guess just a lot of practice. Honestly I never practice it because I don't think I've ever used more than one charge rotation at a time in combo. If you're really determined though, a grippy pen will definately help out. -
Date: Tue, Oct 23 2007 23:02:35
Alright thanks. And I know no one would really do a charge for more than an hour, but I just meant if they wanted to, could they do it for a long time? It just seems like something fun to do in school when you don't want to move a lot or something. >_>
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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 00:14:27
hey guys im a newbie to penspinning and i need help. i know how to hold the pencil but how do u spin it? u push the pencil with ur ring finger, but do u move the finger alot or just a little and where do u bend the finger. help please!
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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 04:42:19QUOTE (larry21 @ Nov 7 2007, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hey guys im a newbie to penspinning and i need help. i know how to hold the pencil but how do u spin it? u push the pencil with ur ring finger, but do u move the finger alot or just a little and where do u bend the finger. help please!
This is where I learn my charge from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88CZ_hrsZLU.
But to answer your question, if you are doing a charge 23, yes, move your ring finger more then your index finger. And try not to move your middle finger. -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 05:09:58QUOTE (Novastrike @ Nov 6 2007, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This is where I learn my charge from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88CZ_hrsZLU.
But to answer your question, if you are doing a charge 23, yes, move your ring finger more then your index finger. And try not to move your middle finger.
Charge 23 does not involve the index finger. O_o A little middle finger movement in the beginning can help to atleast get the motion going, but you should be able to ultimately end up just using the ring finger to move the pen for a Charge 23.
The ring finger should only move as much as is needed to rotate the pen. The fingers do not need to be bent much, if at all, to move the pen, the movement should come from the base knuckles with the fingers straight. You are shifting the ring finger back and forth:
1. The 1st 0.5 rotation: the ring finger moves outward (to the right of the middle finger - right-handed) and upward just enough to rotate the pen in a half circle. The circle does not have to be very wide so don't worry if you are not moving the pen much in the beginning. You just want to make the basic movement.
2. The 2nd 0.5 rotation: the ring is brought back in inward to the inside of the fingers (left of the middle finger - right-handed) and slightly upward again on the inside. The pen should do another 0.5 and return to about the starting position.
The more you work your fingers, the smoother the transition from the two half rotations will become and the wider the cone shapes of the pen will become. -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 15:07:54
thanx sketching, ur advice really help me out. i can sorta make it spin now, but most of the time it just goes up and down. i need to practice!
PS: i was wondering where do u guys hold ur pen? do u hold it between ur ring and middle finger or ur index and middle finger? which way is easier? also where should the pen be sitting on. i hold my pencil between the second and third joints of my ring and middle finger. where does ur pen sit?
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Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 17:44:42
I learned Charge between the middle and ring fingers (Charge 23), after learning Sonic 23-12. I then went and learned it between the index and middle fingers (Charge 12), then between the ring and pinky fingers (Charge 34).
All of the tutorial text I had read at the time said that Charge 23 was easiest, so I went with that one first.
The pen sits between the middle (intermediate) phalanges(?) of the fingers. At first the pen kept moving up and down the fingers until I learned to control it and keep it in the middle. -
Date: Wed, Nov 7 2007 23:26:04
thanx sketching. i have one mor question. i noticed this while i was spinning in class today, the pencil either keeps on sliding to one side or falling out of my fingers. anyone know how to stop it from do that. any suggestions for more grip?
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Date: Thu, Nov 8 2007 21:22:07
I've got the charge down in my opinion, but I just wanted a little advice. In a few tutorials I watched on it, people started the charge with pressure from the TF, like with a sonic. I find this difficult and so just curl my fingers and uncurl them to get a spinning motion and start it from there. Is this okay?
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Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 02:07:48
Yeah. That's what everyone strive for eventually. It's better to use only your fingers to push the pen. I believe the tutorials use the thumb flap because it is the easier method to start the motion for Charge, and thereafter, one would only need to maintain the momentum.
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Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 02:15:34
inexistence, using only your fingers to push the pen is better than using the TF to do it, but if your a beginner u should start with the TF and once u get better start using only ur fingers.
so is anyone going to answer my question regarding how to keep the pen or pencil from sliding to one side or falling out of my fingers while spinning? any tips on more grip on the pen? help would be appreciated. -
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 02:40:29
@larry21:
Not much to say other than practice, you will eventually figure out how much pressure you need to keep the pen in the same spot while allowing to rotate freely and how to slightly adjust your grip to allow the pen to slide back into position while continuing the Charge motion. It just comes with experience. -
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 04:47:43
thank you soo much for answering all my questions sketching, i really do appreciated it for your help. and now its practice, practice, practice!!
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Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 05:20:51
I have problem doing this charge because it seems that my smallest finger also curves with the ring finger and other fingers also move involuntarily each time i move ring finger
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Date: Thu, Dec 13 2007 12:51:01
Hey
Thanks for the help sketching still getting use to things. I was wondering if i need to try to keep the pen between my upper joint even if it is easier for me to keep it closer to the tip. I risk loosing it though the higher it gets. Thanks -
Date: Fri, Dec 14 2007 02:06:44
I try to keep the pen between the middle of the fingers (the middle phalanges) when doing Charges. That way, the pen can have some room to travel up and down the fingers and I can still work at getting it back to the center without dropping it.
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Date: Fri, Dec 14 2007 02:38:04
Thanks man i am going to try that out.
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Date: Thu, Dec 20 2007 18:29:19
can anyone help me? im spining for 1 week only and im a noob
now i can do 1 charge... but how to do multiple? i cant get my pen back up when i finish first circle -
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 00:38:02
I guess I should post about the T1 Charge here.
So, I'm having trouble with the conic motion.
I guess it's all about moving the thumb, in this case, right? -
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 00:40:31
For Charge Normal T1, the index finger should be doing the moving. Keep the thumb pretty still and move the tip of the index finger in little circles around the tip of the thumb.
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Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 01:17:10QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 22 2007, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>For Charge Normal T1, the index finger should be doing the moving. Keep the thumb pretty still and move the tip of the index finger in little circles around the tip of the thumb.
Okay, I tried that, but I keep going counterclockwise.
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Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 01:21:39
Is your hand palm-down when you do it?
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Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 01:54:48QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 22 2007, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is your hand palm-down when you do it?
Palm down, at an angle, yeah. -
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 02:04:58
All palm-down Charges Normal (right-hand) go counter-clockwise.
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Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 02:29:34QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 22 2007, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>All palm-down Charges Normal (right-hand) go counter-clockwise.
I think I've got it now.
I think it's just that I thought I should've been moving the thumb instead since the T is really the bottom finger in this case. I think it's all about practice from here on out. Thanks Sketch.
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Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 21:03:12
can anyone help me? im spining for 1 week only and im a noob
now i can do 1 charge... but how to do multiple? i cant get my pen back up when i finish first circle -
Date: Mon, Dec 31 2007 07:35:32
i'm trying to do a charge t1, t2, etc...
but i can't seem to get it to rotate upwards
it gets the bottom half circle, but then just sorta drops again
tips..? -
Date: Mon, Dec 31 2007 18:46:06QUOTE (shadow44 @ Dec 23 2007, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>can anyone help me? im spining for 1 week only and im a noob
now i can do 1 charge... but how to do multiple? i cant get my pen back up when i finish first circle
Don't try to capture it with your thumb, just keep moving your ring finger.
It takes practice. -
Date: Tue, Jan 1 2008 00:30:19
I don't understand charge T1 at all...
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Date: Tue, Jan 1 2008 18:18:40QUOTE (Clam @ Dec 31 2007, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't understand charge T1 at all...
can someone explain please?
it's just like a normal charge. you move the bottom finger (not the thumb) and the pen should rotate counter clockwise. But most of the time some momentum before the charge helps. like twisted sonic > pass rev 12-t1 a little bit of hand movement is required too.
-JC- i hope this answers your question too -
Date: Wed, Jan 2 2008 02:12:47
Even after watching videos if the T1 charge, I still can't get the damn thing rotating lol
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Date: Wed, Jan 2 2008 02:18:33
If you do Charge Nor T1 at the tip of the thumb, it's all about the index finger moving around the tip with the pen inbetween.
Thumbflap Charges are mostly hand movement, maybe with some thumb movement if you do any. -
Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 04:41:17
Good day to you!
I'm a complete nub to pen-spinning, and am having a fair bit of trouble with the charge, so I thought I'd ask some advice.
I'm a long-time contact juggler, working mainly with spheres and staff, but I do devil-sticking occasionally, and can do the charge with a hand stick. These, of course, are a great deal heavier than a pen - if you've never felt one, think drum stick - and moving from this to a pen has completely confused my hands. The pen seems to have no momentum of its own, and chooses to wibble back and forth like a windscreen wiper rather than rotate.
And so, after a great deal of preamble and waffle, I come to my questions - do you think this 'wibbling' is normal for a person used to much heavier objects? Should I use a heavier pen to aid the process, or would this lead to bad habits later? -
Date: Wed, Jan 16 2008 15:35:57
I just tried today to spin drum sticks and I had the same thing- the stick would hardly spin as it is much heavier than my MX pen, but I managed to spin it for a while so if it wobbles a bit its perfectly normal until you get the hang of it
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Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 03:27:17
So, if I did a Charge T1, like being held by the tips of the index finger and thumb, from a bird's-eye-view, which way should the pen spin?
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Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 03:36:14
Counter-clockwise in the right hand if seen from above. Same direction as Charge in any other finger slot.
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Date: Wed, Jan 30 2008 03:38:28QUOTE (sketching @ Jan 29 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Counter-clockwise in the right hand if seen from above. Same direction as Charge in any other finger slot.
Apparently I've been doing the Charge T1 Rev.
That would explain SO much.
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Date: Thu, Feb 28 2008 07:29:37
(btw my pic is a bak)
Just thought i should add this,
if your charge goes towards your fingers while you are learning, let it go all the way and then do a BAK and start over.
Its what i did to learn.
Bak is a trick that just requires hand movement so you should be able to learn it.
It will make your learning faster and less boring and repetitive -
Date: Mon, Mar 3 2008 16:13:26
I'm trying to do the Charge with a RSVP V1 Mod....would it be easier to do it with a RSVP Mx? Or should I practice more?
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Date: Mon, Mar 3 2008 23:20:04
I could do infinite charge 1-2 with my right hand now, but the left hand of this is so annoying! it looks bad and ugly ! the pen hardly moves when i gripped my pen too hard with my fingers, hard control probably.
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Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 18:35:46
yo guys, I know this is charge normal thread, but i just want to ask about charge 13. Can anyone post a tuto?
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Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 18:54:44
normal describes rotation, not difficulty.
the trick you want is charge 13 normal, which is the same thing as any other charges except you're using 13, with the 2 folded. if you understand other charges, there's no reason for you not to get charge 13 with sufficient practice.
if you dont undderstand other charges, then learn thos before. -
Date: Tue, Mar 4 2008 18:59:19
I pretty much understand the rotation, but my fingers are so cripplish when holding the pen like that, any tips on that?
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Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 03:48:26QUOTE (darkgenesis-spinnerxD @ Mar 3 2008, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I could do infinite charge 1-2 with my right hand now, but the left hand of this is so annoying! it looks bad and ugly ! the pen hardly moves when i gripped my pen too hard with my fingers, hard control probably.
yea charge is much easier on right hand than left hand
especially if you not umm ambidextrous (did i spell that right? )
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Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 19:29:25QUOTE (Susho @ Mar 4 2008, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I pretty much understand the rotation, but my fingers are so cripplish when holding the pen like that, any tips on that?
It'll get better over time, your mind will automatically make your fingers more efficient with practice. -
Date: Mon, Mar 10 2008 06:05:21
i've been practicing the 2-3 charge for a few days now, and i find it's easier for me when i spin my pencil between my last knuckles and the tip of my nails (where my cuticle starts). is this a bad habbit to form, or will it be better or not effect other tricks at all in the long run?
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Date: Wed, Mar 12 2008 11:15:19
don't worry i don't think it will afect..but wot will happen will be this:
at sometimes when you want to make a combo charge won't be in the right position, or in the position you wanted it to be...you just have to adapt the pen doing those tricks and with practice you'll be able to do charge either in tips or in the flaps... -
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 01:42:25QUOTE (Learning2spin @ Mar 10 2008, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i've been practicing the 2-3 charge for a few days now, and i find it's easier for me when i spin my pencil between my last knuckles and the tip of my nails (where my cuticle starts). is this a bad habbit to form, or will it be better or not effect other tricks at all in the long run?
when i started doing charge, i thought i was messing up as well. i just practiced it a lot until i could do it well. If you're starting in the thumbflap, try not starting in the thumbflap -
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 03:40:59
is it possible to move the pen up and down between fingers during a charge? Like on purpose? silly question but it just occured to me that it might look kinda cool.
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Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 03:53:28
lol yes.
you can either sonic, or you can pass, and it's fairly easy -
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 03:59:38
no like, keeping the pen between the fingers. doing a continued charge, over and over. but the pen drops down and comes back up.
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Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 04:16:15QUOTE (Lamoc @ Mar 15 2008, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>no like, keeping the pen between the fingers. doing a continued charge, over and over. but the pen drops down and comes back up.
well if you're good enough the passes can keep the charge motion still moving. i'd show you if my camera wasn't broken -
Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 15:41:37QUOTE (Lamoc @ Mar 15 2008, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>no like, keeping the pen between the fingers. doing a continued charge, over and over. but the pen drops down and comes back up.
you might be doing a Double Charge. -
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 02:51:45
Or he could just be talking about doing a Charge in one slot, and shifting where you actually hold the pen e.g. at the tip or in the middle etc.
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Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 06:31:06QUOTE (Lamoc @ Mar 15 2008, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>is it possible to move the pen up and down between fingers during a charge? Like on purpose? silly question but it just occured to me that it might look kinda cool.
Yes, a way to do it is to tilt your hand when performing continuous Charges with a looser grip. The pen will slide down the finger slot in the direction the hand is tilted. You can also force the pen to the fingertips with an upward-tilted hand depending on how you apply force while Charging. I haven't thought enough about it to give a more detailed explanation, but what happens when I'm doing Charges and the pen starts to slide, I can correct and move the pen back into the position that I want. You have to gain a "feel" for how slight alterations in force is applied by the bottom or top finger to move the pen along the length of the fingers. Again with a tilted hand, the pen can slide down the fingers with a looser grip, moving it up the fingers takes some alterations in how force is applied combined with a looser grip to allow the pen to move. -
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 12:35:26
oh NOW i see what he means.
let me shorten what sketching said.
to make the pen go to the ends of the fingers loosen your fingers slowly while it heads that way. No tilting necessary.
To make the pen come back you might need to tilt your hand up while you loosen it again.
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Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 14:34:04
Hello, I started pen-spinning a few months ago, starting with the Normal Thumbaround.
I am currently practicing the Charge, is it ok if I do the Charge with my index finger and middle finger? All my classmates use index and middle. =/
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Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 14:45:26
welcome
yup. You can do it in any finger you like. Use heavier pens. -
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 18:42:28QUOTE (Noob @ Mar 17 2008, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hello, I started pen-spinning a few months ago, starting with the Normal Thumbaround.
I am currently practicing the Charge, is it ok if I do the Charge with my index finger and middle finger? All my classmates use index and middle. =/
Thanks!
ya thats fine -
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 18:47:05QUOTE (Noob @ Mar 17 2008, 06:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hello, I started pen-spinning a few months ago, starting with the Normal Thumbaround.
I am currently practicing the Charge, is it ok if I do the Charge with my index finger and middle finger? All my classmates use index and middle. =/
Thanks!
you can use which ever finger you wish if you can use like yor index finger and pinky use that!!!! caus ehta's awesome but yeah it's oaky -
Date: Mon, Mar 17 2008 18:49:03
also try learning with a drum stick its easier
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Date: Tue, Mar 18 2008 10:14:09
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, Apr 9 2008 22:33:49
rofl a drum stick? use a pen whose CoP is at the middle so its even on both sides. use a comssa or dr. kt if you have one.
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Date: Wed, Apr 9 2008 22:44:32
He suggested a drum stick because it has a lot of momentum.
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Date: Sat, May 3 2008 15:44:01
tips on charge with the thumb? like charge T1, charge T2 etc
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Date: Thu, May 22 2008 23:41:46
Hey guys i really need help on a charge for some reason i do a reverse charge with my right hand instead of a regular charge i just just just started PSing and like when i try to do a charge it goes counter clock wise i want it to go CLOCK wise but i cant do it for some reason any tips or w/e?
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Date: Sun, May 25 2008 12:16:04QUOTE (Clam @ Sep 17 2007, 06:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is there a way to do charge palm down for more than 1 rotation? gravity gets the better of me
if ull do charge palm down den ull hav a lot of problem doin twsited sonic palm down -
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 13:11:04QUOTEif ull do charge palm down den ull hav a lot of problem doin twsited sonic palm down
wtf... that never happened to me... actually itd prolly make it easier because the pass isnt different at all... idk how itd make it harder -
Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 01:41:10
hey when i do the charge i run out of pen. in other words it starts going towards me.
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Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 02:17:39QUOTE (james0627 @ Jun 4 2008, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hey when i do the charge i run out of pen. in other words it starts going towards me.
read the Q&A of my charge tutorial: http://www.pentrix.com/upsb2/article.php?t=1573 -
Date: Thu, Jun 5 2008 05:29:34QUOTE (james0627 @ Jun 4 2008, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hey when i do the charge i run out of pen. in other words it starts going towards me.
thats basically loosing the charge. in other words, practice will let you hang on longer -
Date: Sat, Jun 7 2008 06:22:38
I'm having trouble keeping my 34 charge going, I can start it easily, I can even do it without my thumb flap, but I can't keep it going. XD
Tips?
And I can probably get a video if you guys want d:
Also: Is there a certain pen that might help me with this? I'm currently just using an unsharpened #2 pencil d: -
Date: Sat, Jun 7 2008 12:21:16
Just keep practicing; it took me a bit of time for a continuous charge in 34. Doing twisted sonics from 34-23 helped somewhat.
A pen with more momentum would probably help. Try spinning a Pentel RSVP and/or make an RSVP MX with substitute parts (check the wiki more more information). -
Date: Wed, Jun 11 2008 06:52:42
i never learnt the charge when i started about 2 months ago but out of no where i decided to try it today and i could do it. maybe because i can do and understand alot of other tricks now, so it was easyier.
im happy for people to prove me wrong but the charge doesnt seem that important of a trick.
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Date: Thu, Jun 19 2008 18:27:53
For charge 12 which finger doesnt move? I'm really late in the game to learn this fundamental.....lol I figure it will help me transition combos smoother.
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Date: Fri, Jun 20 2008 10:05:23QUOTE (CudOfCow @ Jun 19 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>For charge 12 which finger doesnt move? I'm really late in the game to learn this fundamental.....lol I figure it will help me transition combos smoother.
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Date: Fri, Jun 27 2008 12:33:46
im having a problem..i started pen spinning yesterday, and decided to learn the charge cause it looked cool lol.
im using my index finger and middle finger, and if im not wrong its the index thats supposed to move right? i can get the 1st revolution but after that i cant get it going anymore. any tips or is there anything im doing wrongly? -
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 00:06:32QUOTE (Jiinn @ Jun 27 2008, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im having a problem..i started pen spinning yesterday, and decided to learn the charge cause it looked cool lol.
im using my index finger and middle finger, and if im not wrong its the index thats supposed to move right? i can get the 1st revolution but after that i cant get it going anymore. any tips or is there anything im doing wrongly?
For charge normal 12?
Well, charge normal 12 is kind of awkward until you learn the shadow. Both my fingers move, but I'd say my middle finger moves much more. And that would also make sense, considering when I do charge reverse only my index moves.
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Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 04:32:20
keep doing the one rotation
after awhile you can try two rotations
after that you should be able to do it infinitely
should be learnt in under 3 days of boredem, good luck -
Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 05:31:53
1 rotation is fine, but when i push my index forward the pen doesn't rotate. it just stops at 9 o clock >.> also im using an un-modded pen so i thought it might be easier if i modded my pen. hoping to master the charge by the end of weekend ><
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo_iwcYydOg
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Date: Sat, Jun 28 2008 16:07:07QUOTE (Jiinn @ Jun 28 2008, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>1 rotation is fine, but when i push my index forward the pen doesn't rotate. it just stops at 9 o clock >.> also im using an un-modded pen so i thought it might be easier if i modded my pen. hoping to master the charge by the end of weekend ><
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo_iwcYydOg
this is a vid of me trying to do the charge.. can someone watch it and tell me whats wrong?
You have the correct idea in mind, but loosen up your fingers and let momentum take control. Also make sure your fingers are... erm, straighter. Like, if you placed your hand on the table and put the pen in between the fingers instead of curving them, that should help with continuation of the charge. -
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 00:23:13QUOTE (Retro-spectre @ Jun 27 2008, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>For charge normal 12?
Well, charge normal 12 is kind of awkward until you learn the shadow. Both my fingers move, but I'd say my middle finger moves much more. And that would also make sense, considering when I do charge reverse only my index moves.
Just keep practicing and it'll come naturally.
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Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 04:32:00QUOTE (Jiinn @ Jun 28 2008, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>1 rotation is fine, but when i push my index forward the pen doesn't rotate. it just stops at 9 o clock >.> also im using an un-modded pen so i thought it might be easier if i modded my pen. hoping to master the charge by the end of weekend ><
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo_iwcYydOg
this is a vid of me trying to do the charge.. can someone watch it and tell me whats wrong?
this is good enough, keep doing that and i'm pretty sure you will learn how to do a proper charge
unless you have been practicing this for like 3 days, i really suggest just practicing more
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Date: Tue, Jul 1 2008 18:29:32
twiddle the fingers and itll come
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Date: Sun, Jul 13 2008 23:35:00
this was the first trick i ever learnt. practise is really what you need to do to be able to do this.
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Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 11:37:30
Hey guys, I've found tutorails on this but I find myself needing to use more "wrist" motion to get the spin on the pen.
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Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 14:51:48
Perfectly fine when youf irst start out, but dont use your wrist only, moving your wrist in a circle and having the pen rotate on an axis is NOT a charge, try to rely on finger motion primarily , aka at least be able to do a one rotation charge without using wrist motion, build up pressure under the thumb flap,that will help for one rotation as you practice you will see less and less wrist motion is needed, almost non at all...
So basicly, it's ok but try to keep in to the minimum you dont want bad habits developing... -
Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 15:21:50QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Aug 30 2008, 07:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Perfectly fine when youf irst start out, but dont use your wrist only, moving your wrist in a circle and having the pen rotate on an axis is NOT a charge, try to rely on finger motion primarily , aka at least be able to do a one rotation charge without using wrist motion, build up pressure under the thumb flap,that will help for one rotation as you practice you will see less and less wrist motion is needed, almost non at all...
So basicly, it's ok but try to keep in to the minimum you dont want bad habits developing...
Thanks for the help. I posted this along with the video below in another thread, it was closed and I was told to refer to this section here.s the post:
"Here's the charge. I learned it the best I could from tutorials on youtube. Thanks
I think I'm doing it wrong (using too much wrist motion)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHEVEhfDyFw
Thanks "
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Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 17:53:47
Well, i'm not a pro spinner so i can't really say anything, but i think doing it with something heavier helps the pen to get more momentum, allowing you to use less wrist motion.
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Date: Sat, Aug 30 2008 19:03:37
WHen you start, and are only doing a single charge, weight isn't much of a factor... a eavier pen might keep it from lfying away but won't help THAT much...
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Date: Mon, Sep 1 2008 03:59:55
I've had more problems with the charge than any other fundamentals. When I started I had a lot of wrist motion also, but after practicing for a long time, everything finally 'clicked' and it was pretty easy after that. I really think the charge is ALL about timing, and using the wrist to give a little spin until you can figure out when to move your fingers is better than no movement at all
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Date: Mon, Sep 1 2008 04:51:49
I also saw that yout rying to do multiiple charges ... Try practicing single charges till you master that =]
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Date: Mon, Sep 1 2008 16:41:55
Can anyone help me? I can't seem to make the pen spin at all. I can do Charge 23 and Charge 12 pretty well, but I have a lot of trouble with this variation.
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Date: Mon, Sep 1 2008 20:21:55
1) Charge doesn't change slots so you don't notate it as Charge 34-34, just say Charge 34
2) If you can do Charge 12 & 23, then there aren't really any tips we can give you for 34. It's the same concept, just you haven't practiced it enough. That's why you can't do it. -
Date: Mon, Sep 1 2008 21:51:46
I can't get my fingers to push the pen with enough force, is what I mean. But thanks anyway.
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Date: Mon, Sep 1 2008 23:40:46
Strength training =D!!!
to finger pushups and such...
Or try using the good old thumb flap method til you get the movement down, it doesnt take that much frce to do a charge ;D
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Date: Tue, Sep 2 2008 17:52:41
I keep on managing doing 2 rotations with 12 and just 1 with 23. I can't keep the rotations going after that, the pen just starts moving left to right
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Should I use my wrist to help the movement a little? Or am I do anything wrong?
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Date: Tue, Sep 2 2008 22:54:31
Practice practice practice =]]]
A little movement never hurt ;D just dont use your whole hand or develop bad habits, keep all your figners straight... -
Date: Wed, Sep 3 2008 13:19:02
Yeah I'm afraid of developing bad habbits such as moving my whole hand
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I'll be careful and keep on practicing!
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Date: Wed, Sep 3 2008 21:28:27
Yup I developed some horribl horrible habits so now my spinning looks horrible buttt hopefulyl you will become a great spinner ;D just work at it and practice =] A persons charge shows there pen spinning style and personailty the most, because its always developing and changing =]
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Date: Wed, Sep 3 2008 22:22:51
Hehe thanks, I hope I become like you!
These things take alot of time to learn and the good part is that I'm very patient
As for the charge, I'm improving hour by hour. Doing alot more revolutions now, but still can't keep it up for quite some time. Practice, practice, practice!
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Date: Thu, Sep 4 2008 02:34:28
Nice =]post a vid once you get it mastered ;D
xD And dont' worry you'll be like me in a couple months - _ - cuz I suck...
It's a good thing you found this board early though, I had no help with the fundamentals or the finger placement etc... so I was jsut reading confusing written tutorials > - < I wish I had this site before... -
Date: Thu, Sep 4 2008 09:05:32
Yeah, I love this site. And it's good that it has helpful people such as you
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Date: Thu, Sep 4 2008 20:24:57
awwwwwwwww *blushes*... lmao... yehh It's better than doing homework > - < and studying fer tests so that I can grow up and make money.... hmmmm or is it?
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Date: Thu, Sep 4 2008 23:48:31
OK, so I just got my RSVP MX spades pen from pen wish. It looks pretty sweet, but I found the charge on it more difficult than a pencil. And I really need help with the charge, I can't seem to do it at all. How long did it take you to learn the charge? Is the MX a good pen to learn the charge with? Any pointers?
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Date: Fri, Sep 5 2008 20:51:07
realize, the RSVP MX is A: thicker and B: balanced different.
You will notice that the RSVP's balance point is off center, so move your fingers accordingly.
If you ahve the charge learned correctly it shouldn't be that difficult to switch over to a new pen.
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Is the RSVP for you? if you don't like the mod, maybe you shouldn't use it, a specific group of MX users would argue that theylike it, but its a question fo preference, as you become a better spinner you may develop an appreciation for the mod, because you will notice that the momentum helps for longer spins, etc. so just keep practicing with the pencil until you feal your charge is mastered, then try it again with the MX, if you still have difficulties, try makeking your own mod, that has YOUR preferences =]
I'm guessing that your charge isnt that great yet, really get it down... and make sure you're doing it correctly. if your having trouble with the weight, jsut try moving your hand and change how you hold the pen =] hope I helped a little, if you ahve a more specific trouble I could help more and better..... -
Date: Thu, Sep 11 2008 23:41:23
Hello, this is my first post so time for a... CELEBRATION!...lol, but really I have a problem wiht doing a charge.
I learned by watching Eso's tut on youtube. When I start out in the TF my fingers are really crunched up. Im using an RSVP v1 mod. Is the crunched finger ok or bad? -
Date: Fri, Sep 12 2008 00:45:01
hmmm... they should not be scrunched up, I think you are putting to much of the pen in your thumb flap, only a little tiny bit of the pen shud be applying pressure to the thumb flap, so that you can easily release the pressure, and actually use it instead or relying on your fingers, that's what the thumb flaps for,
If you are doing the charge fine, then you might even need to use your thumb flap.
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Date: Fri, Sep 12 2008 19:55:07
The center of gravity is like right next to the pen cap so I have to have my hand scruched up in order to touch the TF.
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Date: Fri, Sep 12 2008 22:47:31
hmm well in that case Im sure it's ok, but you should probably try to get a better pen, as to not develop the habit of scrunching up with all charges, if you have the charge down, try starting it without the TF =]
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Date: Sat, Sep 13 2008 01:25:28
i can only do like 2 spins before i lose it, so i still need the TF. But yea im working on making a MMT, all I need is a metal tip.
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Date: Sat, Sep 13 2008 01:44:43
0 _ o then Id on't think your ready xD, trying using a better balanced object, like an unsharpened pencil, or a normal RSVP, Im shure you have SOME better balanced pen...
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Date: Sat, Sep 13 2008 23:16:25
unfortunatly, no.
I happend to find the RSVP on a table at my school, so yea... Also im used to the width of the RSVP so its really, hard to try to use something smaller. I can now start off un-scrunched, and make 3 to 4 spins before im holding the end or its not spining. So im making progress.
Also ive heard that if u use a new pen u have to relearn all the tricks, is that true? -
Date: Sat, Sep 13 2008 23:32:48QUOTE (PSUberNub @ Sep 13 2008, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>unfortunatly, no. I happend to find the RSVP on a table at my school, so yea... Also im used to the width of the RSVP so its really, hard to try to use something smaller. I can now start off un-scrunched, and make 3 to 4 spins before im holding the end or its not spining. So im making progress.
Also ive heard that if u use a new pen u have to relearn all the tricks, is that true?
That's not true at all, if it were then most spinners would only have one pen
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Date: Sun, Sep 14 2008 01:54:26QUOTE (PSUberNub @ Sep 13 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>unfortunatly, no. I happend to find the RSVP on a table at my school, so yea... Also im used to the width of the RSVP so its really, hard to try to use something smaller. I can now start off un-scrunched, and make 3 to 4 spins before im holding the end or its not spining. So im making progress.
Also ive heard that if u use a new pen u have to relearn all the tricks, is that true?
Partially, if you get used to a pen, then you have to kind of re-learn them... Like if I was to use an rsvp, it might take me an hour before I can spin smoothly with it.. -
Date: Sun, Sep 14 2008 23:09:07
Ok, thats good. I can do the charge longer now. Thx every1
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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 03:00:35
Hi, im new and I have a question about the charge. I understand that to do the charge you keep your index finger stationary and move your middle finger. I seem to have the trick down pat, however, I move my index finger and my middle remains basically stationary....Now I know i'm not doing the reverse charge, so what is it, and does it really matter how I move my fingers as long as i can do the trick? I mean I can bust out a beautiful preassure-less sonic and i know that uses the same motion.
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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 03:40:07
Hmmm, maybe a mis reading? because in a normal charge, 23, your index finger should move, and your middle finger isn't completley still, but doesnt make the pen spin, now if you're doing a REVERSE charge, you middle finger( the top figner) would move...
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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 18:37:56
I'm doin a charge 12, is that why?
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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 18:43:27
doesn't matter as long as the charge is nice & elliptical
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Date: Mon, Sep 15 2008 20:30:46
WEll if you're dsoing 1-2 than it reall shud be you middle finger moving the most, but every man has his own huh? =] itll be your own personal style
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Date: Tue, Sep 16 2008 01:50:54
Haha, yep thats totally what I was trying to do anyways lol. Thanks man
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Date: Tue, Sep 16 2008 22:49:10
Is it bad if I learn how to Charge with my index and middle finger? Will it bother me later on for some combos, ect...
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Date: Tue, Sep 16 2008 22:51:43
no...
you should learn charge in every finger slot -
Date: Tue, Sep 16 2008 23:05:16
first learn it between middle and second finger, that is called a Charge Normal =]
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Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 04:09:38QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 16 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>first learn it between middle and first finger, that is called a Charge Normal =]
Why should you learn it between in the 12 slot...?
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Date: Fri, Sep 19 2008 16:40:12
I learned 23 first as well. But I can't seem to get it to spin so long as the pen moves out of my fingers.
Does anyone have any suggestions? Or should I just try it everyday and see? -
Date: Fri, Sep 19 2008 20:59:40
Learn how to move your figners, after a while a practice you will develop a way of keeping the pen center =]
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Date: Fri, Sep 19 2008 21:23:21
Alright, thanks. Practice, practice, practice.
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Date: Tue, Sep 30 2008 13:01:40
i am the begining spinners,
come from hk, my english is not good, sorry
i want to ask
the charge t1, because i can do charge12,23,34, but i don't know what is it like.
can any senior teach me, plz and thank you very very much
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Date: Wed, Oct 1 2008 01:34:26
it's exactly the same, a charge t1 shouldnt be that difficult.
Hold the pen between your first and second finger (close to the tips)
and just make a charging motiont with your thumb and first finger.
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Date: Tue, Nov 11 2008 00:27:50
I am really having difficulty with this trick. I can't get it to be circular, only back and forth. I have seen the videos/text tutorials. It is incredibly frustrating!
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Date: Tue, Nov 11 2008 07:51:56QUOTE (Chapel @ Nov 10 2008, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I am really having difficulty with this trick. I can't get it to be circular, only back and forth. I have seen the videos/text tutorials. It is incredibly frustrating!
Could someone give me some tips on how to practice it?
If all else fails, try using hand motion to get the pen moving.
What I mean is move your whole hand in a motion that would make the pen go in a circular motion, and then once you've got the circular motion going quickly switch to only using you fingers. You should learn to maintain it longer the more you practice if you practice using that method. -
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 02:47:41QUOTE (Missle_Z @ Nov 11 2008, 02:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If all else fails, try using hand motion to get the pen moving.
What I mean is move your whole hand in a motion that would make the pen go in a circular motion, and then once you've got the circular motion going quickly switch to only using you fingers. You should learn to maintain it longer the more you practice if you practice using that method.
Ok thank you I will try that out
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Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 19:58:14
hi guys i need help with the charge normal i cant do the second half rotation pls help.
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Date: Sat, Nov 29 2008 05:25:32
Hey, sorry if this has already been answered, I haven't really read any of the posts. I was wondering if someone could tell me exactly HOW to do the Charge? When I try starting it off, I can never rotate it enough to form the elliptical rotation, and sometimes it ever turns into a sonic. It might just be a lack of trying, but if someone could help me out, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.
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Date: Mon, Dec 15 2008 00:58:15
I am having an extremely hard time performing the Charge with my ring and little finger (3 and 4). My little finger is double jointed so i locks up/refuses to move the way i need it?
Any tipe to overcome/get better control of this problem.
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Date: Mon, Dec 15 2008 01:26:51
Try going back to the pressure method and do 1.0 revolution at a time.
It will feel awkward, but keep practicing and eventually, you can do a 34 charge just as well as your other fingers.
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Date: Mon, Dec 15 2008 14:35:07QUOTE (PillarsOfValhalla @ Dec 15 2008, 03:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I am having an extremely hard time performing the Charge with my ring and little finger (3 and 4). My little finger is double jointed so i locks up/refuses to move the way i need it?
Any tipe to overcome/get better control of this problem.
Thank you.
I propuse first to use a 25cm long wood sti or somethink, so it will be easier for you to learn the movements of the fingers and then you should use a shorter. This helpped me but i don't how it will be with you.
Good luck.
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Date: Tue, Dec 16 2008 02:59:50
Thank you. That sounds like it will help. I'll go practice.
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Date: Tue, Dec 23 2008 22:51:46
Hi, I'm new to these forums and to pen spinning in general (started about two weeks ago and I am liking every minute!). I just wanted to ask if there is any advice as to how you keep the pen behind the last finger joint... My pen keeps spinning slowly, but surely, out of my hand... I can do about 4 to 5 revolutions before it goes airborne. Help would be most appreciated
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Date: Wed, Dec 24 2008 00:25:38QUOTE (Stangaxd @ Dec 23 2008, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi, I'm new to these forums and to pen spinning in general (started about two weeks ago and I am liking every minute!). I just wanted to ask if there is any advice as to how you keep the pen behind the last finger joint... My pen keeps spinning slowly, but surely, out of my hand... I can do about 4 to 5 revolutions before it goes airborne. Help would be most appreciated
Glad you are enjoying PS
hm... not sure exactly what is happening or how it is spinning out.
But maybe you need to exert less pressure when doing the charge. Relax more?
I know if you really press hard and do the charge it goes flying out after a while.
Hopefully that helps
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Date: Wed, Dec 24 2008 10:04:07
It happens to every beginner, u must endure this xD
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Date: Thu, Jan 15 2009 06:50:28
Any tips on this one? This one has me utterly stumped... I can do it fine with a long thin metal rod, but not with a normal pen or pencil... the problem is, I can't get it started well, and I can't keep it going well either... so... everything...
The only way I seem to be able to do it is if I get it going by thrusting my hand in a circular motion, then having to move my hand from side to side so not really any real 'finger work'... and when I try to stop the thrusting motion of my hand to keep the pen spinning my pen just goes from left to right... not in a circle. The pen I use is a retractable sharpie... though I'm not really getting much better with any other pens... I'm looking up videos right now to try and help but thought I'd post... so, any tips? -
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 02:48:03
how come i can only charge reverse and not normal? did this happen to anyone else?
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Date: Sun, Jan 18 2009 08:59:48QUOTE (K4S @ Sep 21 2007, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Both will happen a lot when you are trying to learn to charge the other way...happens to everyone. When i was trying to learn charge in the other direction i found using something heavy like a drumstick was very helpful...it teaches your fingers the new movement and feeling of charging the other way. Once you can do it fluidly with the drumstick move onto a pen.
I tried using the drumsticks, but when i try to use a pen instead, i seems to move too fast and i cant seem to make it turn more then once... -
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 21:36:42
im working on a single charge right now. i can do half of the charge (of course) but just can't finish it
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Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 08:35:32
Hi guys, I'm new to pen spinning (2nd day) and new to this board.
I could do a few revolutions after it slips off my fingers (12 and 23) it always goes downwards (gravity) but if I tighten my grip I can't do a smooth spin.
I'm using a normal pen with a clip but without a cap, it's moderate in length and in weight.
So, is it my pen or is it me?
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Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 08:51:27QUOTE (Vorch @ Feb 8 2009, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi guys, I'm new to pen spinning (2nd day) and new to this board.
I could do a few revolutions after it slips off my fingers (12 and 23) it always goes downwards (gravity) but if I tighten my grip I can't do a smooth spin.
I'm using a normal pen with a clip but without a cap, it's moderate in length and in weight.
So, is it my pen or is it me?
I could do thumbarounds and fingerpass but not so smooth and fast (if that matters)
The more you practice the smoother its gets the better it looks and its gets easier everytime
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Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 13:50:21
Is it important to know how to do the Charge palm down(reverse included)
And also,
Would i need to learn charge 34(pinky and ring finger?) --with the reverses? -
Date: Sat, Feb 21 2009 08:15:03
It would help like for sonic rise + fall
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Date: Wed, Mar 4 2009 10:39:29QUOTE (Pen Islandâ„¢ @ Feb 15 2009, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is it important to know how to do the Charge palm down(reverse included)
And also,
Would i need to learn charge 34(pinky and ring finger?) --with the reverses?
Better learn it because it will help you in future. If you get Charge with palm facing towards you, i am pretty sure you will be able to do it palm down also.
There is no harm is learning Charge 34 -
Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 02:02:13
I have just gotten the charge down for the first few revolutions, the pen starts to move back (towards the back of my hand). any help on keeping the pen in the same position?
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Date: Wed, Mar 18 2009 03:11:09QUOTE (Gforce @ Mar 17 2009, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have just gotten the charge down for the first few revolutions, the pen starts to move back (towards the back of my hand). any help on keeping the pen in the same position?
Work on getting the charge to spin with just one finger, for example, in charge 23, have the ring finger make the pen move while the middle finger holds it in place.
This will help keep the pen in the same position.
Maybe try to keep your fingers light. Don't grip too hard.
Also, try to spin in COG (obviously).
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Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 01:21:39
Hello
I am completely new to pen spinning as well or at least other parts of it. I have been able to do the thumb around for ages just by watching people around me. SO now I am trying to learn new stuff like the charge and I can't get it.
I have no special pens or anything but either one of two things happen when I try to get the motion started it barely rotates or the pen falls out from between my ring and middle finger. Sometimes my little finger interferes with the ring as well.
What am I doing wrong or what new methods can I try? A new pen perhaps or just a new way to try it?
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Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 03:54:13
I also find it hard to do the normal charge than the reverse but pratice will do
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Date: Tue, Mar 24 2009 22:27:30QUOTEI also find it hard to do the normal charge than the reverse but pratice will do
Really? i think its a lot harder to do charge reverse.
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Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 10:43:57
Difficulty depends on which trick you learn first. I learned Charge normal first and now i feel that charge reverse is difficult to do. I still can't do it.
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Date: Wed, Mar 25 2009 13:21:12
I didn't learn it till a few months ago, learn it now ;D beleive me it helps your spinning immensely
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Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 09:22:28
well i tink it will be better to learn charge at all the fingers...
and whenever i do charge the pen keeps on slipping out slowly by slowly....i can only do 40 rotations at most ad they will slip and fly..any tips to help me? -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 11:31:47QUOTE (mr phua sy @ Mar 28 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well i tink it will be better to learn charge at all the fingers...
and whenever i do charge the pen keeps on slipping out slowly by slowly....i can only do 40 rotations at most ad they will slip and fly..any tips to help me?
logically speaking, if u put both of ur fingers exactly at the COG of the pen, the pen wouldn't slip off. -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 11:41:32QUOTE (mr phua sy @ Mar 28 2009, 04:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>well i tink it will be better to learn charge at all the fingers...
and whenever i do charge the pen keeps on slipping out slowly by slowly....i can only do 40 rotations at most ad they will slip and fly..any tips to help me?
40 rotations!? that's enough to fit in a combo! -
Date: Tue, Mar 31 2009 13:41:22
There really isn't any reason to do more than 40, i'd say what your doing now is great and fine, no one can do a charge forever without it slipping even a little bit.
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Date: Tue, Mar 31 2009 15:08:40
charge was a pain.
still havent learnt reverse charge, im trying to thow. any tips on it?
as for charge ummm... just practice and it helps to have some decstarity in your fingers as ive learnt from trying to teach my sister -
Date: Wed, Apr 1 2009 10:06:34
You can't do Charge unless you practice. My friend when I was 5th grade taught me Charge.
When I try it, it's just the pen going sideways. So I put the end of the pen in the joint of my thumb and release it and you practice more, and then it starts making circular motion. Then you can stop doing the thumb thing and you can do Charge for first 3 times but starts to become all sideways.
You keep practicing until you can do it.
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Date: Fri, Apr 3 2009 10:50:16QUOTE (Dark Angel-REX @ Apr 1 2009, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You can't do Charge unless you practice. My friend when I was 5th grade taught me Charge.
When I try it, it's just the pen going sideways. So I put the end of the pen in the joint of my thumb and release it and you practice more, and then it starts making circular motion. Then you can stop doing the thumb thing and you can do Charge for first 3 times but starts to become all sideways.
You keep practicing until you can do it.
Unfortunately, if you master Charge, you won't be able to do sidways.
Ya... I can't get my pen to go up and down in a straight motion... pretty sad about it.
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Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 05:11:02QUOTE (microman_32245 @ Mar 31 2009, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>charge was a pain.
still havent learnt reverse charge, im trying to thow. any tips on it?
as for charge ummm... just practice and it helps to have some decstarity in your fingers as ive learnt from trying to teach my sister
try to use one hand to help the other by turning the pen.u will familiarise with it and then u try by putting the pen in the position where the 4 and 3 is curled in then u twist and turn ur wrist.if u think u got the hang of it,try not to turn ur wrist and straighten out ur other fingers -
Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 07:57:59QUOTE (mr phua sy @ Apr 4 2009, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>try to use one hand to help the other by turning the pen.u will familiarise with it and then u try by putting the pen in the position where the 4 and 3 is curled in then u twist and turn ur wrist.if u think u got the hang of it,try not to turn ur wrist and straighten out ur other fingers
I can vouch that this method works because I used it during the time I was learning Charge/Charge Rev. -
Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 15:11:30QUOTE (Metalm3 @ Apr 4 2009, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can vouch that this method works because I used it during the time I was learning Charge/Charge Rev.
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Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 17:33:54QUOTE (mr phua sy @ Apr 4 2009, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what do u mean by charge/charge rev?
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/ = And/Or(most of the time the latter)
so Charge/charge rev would mean Charge and/or Charge Rev. -
Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 17:35:07QUOTE (Metalm3 @ Apr 5 2009, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>...
/ = And/Or(most of the time the latter)
so Charge/charge rev would mean Charge and/or Charge Rev.
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Date: Sat, Apr 4 2009 19:33:25QUOTE (mr phua sy @ Apr 5 2009, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>u used the same way? for both?
Yes. But I applied the method more on Charge than Charge Rev. -
Date: Sat, Apr 11 2009 10:34:12
Is there any tips on spinning charge rev with middle and ring finger?
I could use some handy tips.
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Date: Sun, Apr 12 2009 09:46:20
you could try moving your hands first. so your fingers aren't doing Charge Reverse, but your hands. Then after you get the motion, you could try applying Charge reverse with the fingers.
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Date: Tue, Apr 14 2009 19:57:45
I actually accidentally learned charge reverse first. Now charge normal is hard as mess to do.
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Date: Tue, Apr 14 2009 21:00:46QUOTE (HamSpinz @ Apr 11 2009, 06:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Is there any tips on spinning charge rev with middle and ring finger?
I could use some handy tips.
Thx!!!!
Yeah listen to what Dark Angel wrote.
You can also try to do the charge, starting as if you would do a Sonic via thumbflap method, so that momentum is added.
Also at first you can use both fingers to do the charge, but then gradually work on only using your ring finger to do the charge motion with your middle finger remaining stationary.QUOTE (blazn_azian @ Apr 14 2009, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I actually accidentally learned charge reverse first. Now charge normal is hard as mess to do.
That is alright.
Lots of people learn it the other way.
Just keep practicing and you will get it
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Date: Mon, May 4 2009 16:17:25
Hey! I'm a freshman here, and I need some help...TT
Can anyone tell me how exactly should I perform the Charge? Because I can't (even closely) imagine it...=( -
Date: Mon, May 4 2009 19:11:16QUOTE (halo! @ May 4 2009, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hey! I'm a freshman here, and I need some help...TT
Can anyone tell me how exactly should I perform the Charge? Because I can't (even closely) imagine it...=(
First of all, see some nice tutorials like that of Eso. You ill get some help from there.
Remember, Rome wasn't built in a day. Pen Spinning comes only with practice. It took some 3-7 days to master charge.
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Date: Tue, May 5 2009 04:15:55
3-7 Оо" wooow...I learned sonic much easier XD ok, thanks for help! =) I'll do it!
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Date: Tue, May 5 2009 11:37:14QUOTE (halo! @ May 5 2009, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>3-7 Оо" wooow...I learned sonic much easier XD ok, thanks for help! =) I'll do it!
3-7 to me is quite short...when u learn bakfall then u noe -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 11:52:49QUOTE (phua sy @ May 5 2009, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>3-7 to me is quite short...when u learn bakfall then u noe
lol dun say that, later he dun wan learn bakfall. But some take only like 1 week to get it consistent though. -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 12:07:35QUOTE (Metalm3 @ May 5 2009, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol dun say that, later he dun wan learn bakfall. But some take only like 1 week to get it consistent though.
they are epic penspinners
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Date: Tue, May 5 2009 16:57:07
nice! XD I'll take a look at bakfall tomorrow =P
anyway...I'm kind of a epic penspinner XD because I guess that in my city no one does it! XD
and another thing...bakfall is something terrific that only PS monsters can do? =) -
Date: Tue, May 5 2009 23:10:27QUOTE (halo! @ May 5 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>nice! XD I'll take a look at bakfall tomorrow =P
anyway...I'm kind of a epic penspinner XD because I guess that in my city no one does it! XD
and another thing...bakfall is something terrific that only PS monsters can do? =)
not really. its a hard trick definitly but since it is such a popular trick many spinners can do it. but try learnign it after you master the fundamentals lol. -
Date: Wed, May 6 2009 08:34:16
ok! =)
but I think I'll learn the bakfall sooner than all the fundamentals...>.< -
Date: Wed, May 6 2009 08:39:12QUOTE (halo! @ May 6 2009, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>nice! XD I'll take a look at bakfall tomorrow =P
anyway...I'm kind of a epic penspinner XD because I guess that in my city no one does it! XD
and another thing...bakfall is something terrific that only PS monsters can do? =)
Lol noooo It looks hard but isn't that hard ^^ (although some l33t spinners got it in 3 days or less)
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Date: Wed, May 6 2009 14:43:25
=) ok!
and you? you know it? =) -
Date: Wed, May 6 2009 15:07:17
lots of pser noes it(including me) and we are nt ps monsters lol we are jus normal pser
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Date: Wed, May 6 2009 15:32:58
Guys lets not go off topic.
You can learn charge in 1 day too. It took me 3-7 days to polish it.
Bakfall is also easy.
It too me less than 1 week for it. But i realized i was doing it wrong and now it took some 3 days to get the correct bakfall. -
Date: Wed, May 6 2009 16:11:29
hmm...I'm watching Charge now...when someone does it fast, it seems much harder =)
at least I thought the pen should somehow spin around the finger...XD -
Date: Wed, May 6 2009 16:16:16QUOTE (halo! @ May 6 2009, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>=) ok!
and you? you know it? =)
Ya xDQUOTE (halo! @ May 7 2009, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>hmm...I'm watching Charge now...when someone does it fast, it seems much harder =)
at least I thought the pen should somehow spin around the finger...XD
LOL so you understood how it works now? It does a circular motion between 2 fingers(slots) and it should be a clockwise motion if the palm is sideway, facing you. -
Date: Wed, May 6 2009 17:41:46
Yes! that's the point! I don't know why I thought I saw it spins around the finger...
and today I saw Infinity! =) so cool! I've done it ^^ and it was not so bad...XD
and also I've tried fingerpass...I did it and unfortunately it wasn't so cool...=( but I'm working on it! =) -
Date: Fri, May 15 2009 10:19:24
I learned it without using the thumb flap. I started with movement of my
wrist. Now I can do it still like a million miles an hour. I can go from a
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Date: Fri, May 22 2009 21:56:47
for those trying to get the continuous charge going. A really good excersise is
you do the regular singular charge, and then you go on to do two charges, and the 3 and then 4 and so on.
This got me doin it really well. And I got up to 8 consistently in one day of trying. -
Date: Sat, May 23 2009 09:48:07
dun be lazy. when u all are using the com charge at the same time
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Date: Sat, May 23 2009 19:56:18QUOTE (Xephyr1 @ May 23 2009, 05:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>for those trying to get the continuous charge going. A really good excersise is
you do the regular singular charge, and then you go on to do two charges, and the 3 and then 4 and so on.
This got me doin it really well. And I got up to 8 consistently in one day of trying.
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Date: Sun, May 24 2009 00:20:13
if you're going to work your way up to continuous charges it's best not to do it pressure method then.
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Date: Sun, May 24 2009 05:23:11QUOTE (nada @ May 24 2009, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if you're going to work your way up to continuous charges it's best not to do it pressure method then.
i never learn usin the pressure method before lol. i learn using my left hand to guide the pen and ''adapt'' -
Date: Fri, May 29 2009 00:39:16
I noticed when I'm doing the charge. That I'm moving my middle finger more than my ring finger. Is this a bad habit because I heard it's mainly the ring finger moving?
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Date: Fri, May 29 2009 02:11:21QUOTE (Lanyth @ May 28 2009, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I noticed when I'm doing the charge. That I'm moving my middle finger more than my ring finger. Is this a bad habit because I heard it's mainly the ring finger moving?
You are talking about charge 23 yes?
Then yeah, you want to be doing the charge motion with just your ring finger eventually.
You can use the middle finger a bit to start the charge motion, but you should use your ring finger to create the circular motion.
It's easier to keep the charge going for longer periods of time using just ring finger to do most of the work.
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Date: Sat, May 30 2009 00:31:32
Charge with 1 rotation or more is simple in my opinion...
But palm down needs pratice and pratice..
Its easyer to do charge palm down with heavy mod xD -
Date: Fri, Oct 23 2009 23:18:38
Hey, I started practising the charge today, and I was wondering how I can get the circular motion, as my attempts make the pen just rock back and forth.
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Date: Thu, Oct 29 2009 22:27:26
I think I've done a disservice to myself by learning Sonic 34>23 before learning Charge 34. Every time I try to perform a Charge 34, I end up doing a Sonic. Charge 34 isn't often used in combos and such, is it?
Also, in general, when I do/attempt to do any position of the Charge, gravity gets the better of me after about 4-5 rotations. I realize that most of the time ~1-2 rotations are all that you need when doing combos, but I would still like to know some tips to overcoming gravity while Charging (other than haing a grip in the middle of the pen).
I use a Bictory with half of a G2 grip on each end and with small weights in the caps if it matters. -
Date: Fri, Oct 30 2009 18:13:44QUOTE (Jewjo @ Oct 29 2009, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think I've done a disservice to myself by learning Sonic 34>23 before learning Charge 34. Every time I try to perform a Charge 34, I end up doing a Sonic. Charge 34 isn't often used in combos and such, is it?
Also, in general, when I do/attempt to do any position of the Charge, gravity gets the better of me after about 4-5 rotations. I realize that most of the time ~1-2 rotations are all that you need when doing combos, but I would still like to know some tips to overcoming gravity while Charging (other than haing a grip in the middle of the pen).
I use a Bictory with half of a G2 grip on each end and with small weights in the caps if it matters.
Charge 34 is quite useful in combos. I mean it is a fundamental and is used pretty often. Twisted sonic 34-23 for example.
If you can do about 4-5 rotations everytime, you have the trick down basically.
Only thing you can do is practice to be able to continuously perform the trick.
Edit:
oh haha I read the post wrong x(
I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter too much if you learn sonic before charge and vice versa.
They are suppose to complement each other -
Date: Sun, Nov 1 2009 19:49:47
i can do only one rotation, and then i have to "lock it" behind my thumbflap again.
but i can't do it continues:S
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Date: Sun, Nov 1 2009 22:38:40
JSH: Thanks for the reply and information.
timoke6: I don't know how qualified I am to advise other PSers, but the best technique that I've used to learn a trick is to watch the trick performed correctly once or twice (just watch eso's tutorial or something similar), and then practice it. I'm really surprised how it only takes dropping my pen a lot of times to learn a trick. And once I've gotten a trick down, it becomes fluid--gradually--over many tries. I know that sounds stupid and obvious, but it surprises me every time how it works. Observe -> Practice -> Learn -> Master. ... That probably wasn't too helpful.
Fake edit: Now that I think about it, for your specific situation, make sure that you do a scissor-like motion with your two fingers. Other than that, I've got nothing. -
Date: Tue, Nov 3 2009 20:54:02QUOTE (Jewjo @ Nov 1 2009, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>JSH: Thanks for the reply and information.
timoke6: I don't know how qualified I am to advise other PSers, but the best technique that I've used to learn a trick is to watch the trick performed correctly once or twice (just watch eso's tutorial or something similar), and then practice it. I'm really surprised how it only takes dropping my pen a lot of times to learn a trick. And once I've gotten a trick down, it becomes fluid--gradually--over many tries. I know that sounds stupid and obvious, but it surprises me every time how it works. Observe -> Practice -> Learn -> Master. ... That probably wasn't too helpful.
Fake edit: Now that I think about it, for your specific situation, make sure that you do a scissor-like motion with your two fingers. Other than that, I've got nothing.
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Date: Fri, Dec 11 2009 21:37:04
im having problems doing this. i can only do a charge reverse. if i try to do a normal the pen will just seesaw back and forth. can someone help me out??
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Date: Mon, Jan 25 2010 01:35:27
I can do a normal rotation just fine, but my problem is that eventually the pen just falls in between my fingers. What can I do to keep it in place?
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Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 22:12:05
I'm very new to the charge. I'm still trying to get the single charge.
My two problems are that my pen is moving either horizontally or vertically, and not both.
Another problem is that my index finger always moves up when attempting the Charge, because I am so used to the Sonic. My pen then hits my index finger when I spin, thus preventing the pen from completing a full revolution.
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Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 23:02:42
practice I had the same problema s you, try not to add any pressure and use an outword fold like motion of the fingers.
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Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 03:58:56
I started PS after watching a few vids on utube, even though ive been messing around with my pens/pencils for a couple of years before. Looking through the forums I figured out that the charge that ive been doing is actually the reverse charge. just like arnspinz, i cant seem to do the normal charge, any help please?
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Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 03:22:32
Whenever i try to do a charge in 2-3 i end up doing a sonic since my middle finger is used to moving forward. Anything i can do to stop that?
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Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 09:02:39QUOTE (penspinner123 @ Mar 15 2010, 04:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Whenever i try to do a charge in 2-3 i end up doing a sonic since my middle finger is used to moving forward. Anything i can do to stop that?
Just practice, try to do finger exercises if you have trouble moving the ring finger alone.
Or tape your ur middle and index finger together, may help that too
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Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 19:21:01
what finger exercises?
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Date: Mon, Mar 15 2010 19:41:28
Just meant to try moving ur ring finger alone without a pen.
Maybe check this out: Click me! -
Date: Tue, Mar 16 2010 09:30:10
I find it hard to do charge on fingers 3,4 is there any particular exercise for the pinky and ring finger?? tnx in advance
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Date: Sun, Mar 28 2010 14:30:36
This is my first pen trick I am learning . It is hard for me to do it and to undersrand a little but I kind of got the hang of it. Will it be easier to understand othert tricks in the furture?
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Date: Wed, Mar 31 2010 02:31:44
Anybody know how to keep the pen from falling in between your fingers? I get a few rotations and it just falls in between. If i grip it too tight, it doesn't move.
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Date: Thu, Apr 1 2010 05:41:35QUOTE (alexc @ Mar 28 2010, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This is my first pen trick I am learning . It is hard for me to do it and to undersrand a little but I kind of got the hang of it. Will it be easier to understand othert tricks in the furture?
umm it helps with the sonic w/o thumbflap and a whole bunch of others...though i still cant do the normal charge, only the reverse
QUOTE (DisDude1 @ Mar 30 2010, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Anybody know how to keep the pen from falling in between your fingers? I get a few rotations and it just falls in between. If i grip it too tight, it doesn't move.
i guess it takes practice? u need to find just the right amount of pressure to put on the pen, and try putting the pen between the joint/knuckles of the two pens u are doing the charge b/w -
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 17:49:49
I've been trying to learn the charge for a week now but I haven't suceeded AT ALL. I can't get the right swing in the beginning and I just don't know what to do anymore. I've tried everything from wathcing tutorials on youtube to reading about how to do ot to trying it my own way but nothing works. Can somebody please give me a link to a good tutorial video or try to explain how it's done? I would be very grateful cause I'm tired of just trying and trying withoud any luck now.
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Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 17:55:00
Hi, there's 13 pages full of discussion and helpful tips and videos located in the charge thread here.
Please try to look to see if there's an existing thread already before creating a new one, and good luck learning -
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 18:39:03
So I have been able to do the charge on all the fingers since like a month into pen spinning, but recently I have been wondering if it can be done T1 (or Tanything). Well, obviously it is possible, there is no reason why it shouldn't be, so my real question is do people do it? I've never seen it done, or at least i've never identified it in any videos.
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Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 18:42:59
Charge T1 Rev is done a lot right before FL TA Rev
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Date: Thu, Apr 8 2010 15:07:29
Hmm, I learned charge reverse before charge normal when I was just playing with pens in the past.
Now, I have troubles learning charge normal because whenever I try to do it, I will switch to charge reverse, or the pen just goes see-saw motion.
Anyway to overcome this?
I tried to use my middle finger to spin more when doing charge between middle and index fingers, but it does not really work.
I can do one or two small revolutions though when i hold my index finger to keep it from moving entirely.
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Date: Fri, Apr 9 2010 06:27:08QUOTE (hanyang @ Apr 8 2010, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hmm, I learned charge reverse before charge normal when I was just playing with pens in the past.
Now, I have troubles learning charge normal because whenever I try to do it, I will switch to charge reverse, or the pen just goes see-saw motion.
Anyway to overcome this?
I tried to use my middle finger to spin more when doing charge between middle and index fingers, but it does not really work.
I can do one or two small revolutions though when i hold my index finger to keep it from moving entirely.
Any ideas? Thanks a lot.
I learned the charge rev. like you way before I got the charge down. For me, I could do charge rev. 12 so I learnt charge normal at 23 like your idea and I could get it quite fast. Maybe a bit more practice with the charge at 23 will help 'cause you can get 2 revolution whch is already half the battle.
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Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 01:07:15QUOTE (hanyang @ Apr 8 2010, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hmm, I learned charge reverse before charge normal when I was just playing with pens in the past.
Now, I have troubles learning charge normal because whenever I try to do it, I will switch to charge reverse, or the pen just goes see-saw motion.
Anyway to overcome this?
I tried to use my middle finger to spin more when doing charge between middle and index fingers, but it does not really work.
I can do one or two small revolutions though when i hold my index finger to keep it from moving entirely.
Any ideas? Thanks a lot.
Yea what you can do to get the charge motion is just hold the pen in 12 and your thumbflap and let go with your thumbflap to get a full charge motion and try to continue it and see how that works out for ya -
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 02:45:42
took me 3 days to learn charge and a month to learn charge reverse
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Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 17:16:19QUOTE (Wonder @ Apr 10 2010, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yea what you can do to get the charge motion is just hold the pen in 12 and your thumbflap and let go with your thumbflap to get a full charge motion and try to continue it and see how that works out for ya
Thanks for the tip! I realized that charge normal's motion is the same as sonic. So I tried and did it =.= Still having trouble between 1-2 though, your tip helps a lot for that one. I can do half a revolution on 1-2. -
Date: Thu, May 27 2010 05:02:57
I'm having two problems with the charge at the moment. I can do the reverse charge indefinitely very easily, but i can't do a continuous charge on 2-3. My problem is that after my first charge, the pen ends up hitting my index finger, messing up the momentum or just stopping th pen altogether. My other problem is that I am currently trying to the shadow, but I could only learn to do the charge using my thumbflap to get pressure. And I never learned to do it without the thumbflap. So when I do the beginning charge part of the shadow, a lot of the time it doesn't even do a charge, it just moves up and down in a straigh tine istead of a circular motion. I need some tips doing the charge palmdown/without the thumbflap if anycould help me with this.
Hmm, i seem to manage being able to do the charge palmdown only if i use my wrist to the right(Doing it on left hand) and then moving it to the left once the tip faces towards me. -
Date: Sun, May 30 2010 13:08:02
Can u show me more detailed because i can do Sonic so i have problem with charge normal? I can do Chargge Rev but i can't do Charge. Please help me. Thanks
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Date: Sun, May 30 2010 18:20:26
Here's a speech tutorial i made with some nice tips on how to do the charge, Its a bit loud so sorry about that so lower your volume
Sorry about the static or whatever was in the background... i dont know why that happens