UPSB v3
General Discussion / UPSB Tournament 2010 - Final Results OUT!
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Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 00:20:39
Tournament tree: http://challonge.com/images/brackets/UPSB.png
Fourth round videos:
Round 4
Main bracket:
1 vicgotgame vs 6 Pen Ninja
B bracket:
4 teotoko vs 8 Eriror
2 Mystic vs 7 Jamie Enns
Results posted here
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Third round videos:
Main bracket:
1 vicgotgame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq9iGzM20AY
4 teotoko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgn0kL6TAQA
2 Mystic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v69eS9ddCN0
6 Pen Ninja: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oI4qPG1_RE
B bracket:
3 ellusion67: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkcrSphcBzg
8 Eriror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlHDnlDb1lM
5 Simplex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQe9f_FWCK0
7 Jamie Enns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a50yGVUr2fY
Results posted here.
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Second round videos:
vicgotgame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm56MkNAP30
Eriror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oqAoxTGwgo
teotoko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MLFWNVkC0U
Simplex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7AOGfFcTMc
Mystic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd6dcezShdA
Jamie Enns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpgJO5XJ1bI
Pen Ninja: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2OgFedBvEo
ellusion67: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASmwNKZuZg4
Results posted here.
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Hi,
I want to organize an UPSB tournament since we are not participating for WC10 to prepare for WT11.
The goal of the tournament is to train for the WT11. People that do well in this tournament will surely be highly considered when it comes time to pick participants in 2011. We will use a format which is similar to the next WT, but adapted to maximize the number of rounds spinners participate (so that they have more opportunities to learn).
Who can participate?
UPSB members that are eligible to join WT11 as UPSB member. In other words, if you are part of another community and plan to participate the WT11 under that community, then you cannot join this tournament. If you are unsure, ask me. All skill levels are welcome.
Format:
Qualification round:
First there will be a qualification round. Videos will be due February 13th. We release all the videos we receive and then we pick the top 8. Judges will have 2 weeks to decide the final ranking.
Second round:
Second round normally start February 27th. The top 8 spinners have been ranked and matched according to their rank (1vs8, 2vs7, etc.) In other words the tournament tree is already decided in advance.
Third round:
Third round will have 4 spinners undefeated (semi-finals). The 4 defeated spinners will go to the losers bracket and continue the tournament there.
Fourth round:
The 2 undefeated play in the final. The two losers in the semi-finals will now be in the losers bracket.
The winner of the final is #1, the finalist is #2. In the loser bracket, there will 2 spinners remaining. They will be ranked #3. If there is still time, the 2 #3 can play again to determine #3 and #4.
Schedule
Except the qualifications, each round will have 2 weeks for filming their video, followed by 1 week for judging. In total, the tournament will last about 3 months and end May 1st.
Videos format
Minimum length: 10 seconds
Maximum length: 25 seconds
Video should be new material for this tournament.
Upload your video on Youtube or a download link or attachment.
Send your video to me, [email protected]
Sign-up
No sign-up is necessary for this tournament. As long as you submit your video before qualification deadline, you'll be registered. However, it'll help us if you can post in this thread your intention to participate.
Deadline for handing in qualification video: February 13th.
Judging
Judging in this tournament will be through justifications and voting. No numeric score. Judging will consider all aspects of pen spinning, namely execution, smoothness, difficulty, structure, variety, overall impression, creativity.
We also need judges. If you don't plan on participating the tournament, PM Zombo to become judge. Judges should be good at analyzing videos and be responsive to e-mails sent so that I can quickly reach you if needed.
If you have any questions, post here.
Prizes:
1 yr premium for winner
6 m premium for runner-up.
Videos:
Eric: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nv0FlDdPNw
Springfield: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkQkC5P-zZo
Pen Ninja: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNl7P0FVuGg
Look into the Sun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDyMEl0eBjgAngelbaby07: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=milr-lmuAq4
Hippo2626: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ztnpxDhPoI
SpinFo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KfM0enIAw0
Simplex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwwX1FDiqWw
Wind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXxrCMgWTA8
AwonW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_mWYMZrD2o
vicgotgame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lclFurJRcNg
xzelph: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hispIXoRNd4
teotoko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv2aMbdVHnw
stemza: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9cl-c5WIzM
shadow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOgLxIZ1eE4
mystic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mguU7mkrJ_Y
escorpio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h66YtCXFoZI
ellusion67: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXafwFgegFs
darkdazh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBS6LnK0Org
jamie enns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpUIKy15epc
Eriror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMeGXvfagtc
First round results: http://www.upsb.info/forum/index.php?s=&am...st&p=334009 -
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 14:58:30
What judging system will be used during the tournament? The one posted on the Wiki? The one that was used during WT09?
Also- how will the judging for all the videos go for the preliminary? Each judge ranks all the videos or just the top 8? -
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 16:30:35QUOTE (Thewave @ Dec 18 2009, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What judging system will be used during the tournament? The one posted on the Wiki? The one that was used during WT09?
Judging
Judging in this tournament will be through justifications and voting. No numeric score. Judging will consider all aspects of pen spinning, namely execution, smoothness, difficulty, structure, variety, overall impression, creativity.QUOTEAlso- how will the judging for all the videos go for the preliminary? Each judge ranks all the videos or just the top 8?
just top 8, otherwise its too long -
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 16:38:41
Tee hee ace. PSUK representative here. (hope to qualify)! Morning practice time!
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Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 16:56:08
Sounds great~
I'm not sure if I'll be able to join, kinda busy with school, but I'll see. -
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 18:13:06
I am interested
/inzors -
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 19:50:18
I am so in. I was hoping for a tournament
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Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 22:32:02
i want to play
will send a video -
Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 23:14:53
interesting. i'm in.
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Date: Fri, Dec 18 2009 23:18:16
/in why not
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Date: Sat, Dec 19 2009 01:12:53
In
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Date: Sat, Dec 19 2009 01:13:58
I'm definitely in.
So, if you pass the qualification round, your video is still released? -
Date: Sat, Dec 19 2009 01:19:20QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Dec 18 2009, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm definitely in.
So, if you pass the qualification round, your video is still released?QUOTE (Zombo @ Dec 17 2009, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We release all the videos we receive and then we pick the top 8.
Sorry, but it's right there.... -
Date: Sat, Dec 19 2009 04:00:13
mm
/in
but im pretty certain i won't be able to make a good enough vid :/ -
Date: Sat, Dec 19 2009 04:29:45
sounds like fun
probably wont make it in, but its worth a shot 
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Date: Sat, Dec 19 2009 05:15:37
haha in as well
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Date: Sat, Dec 19 2009 05:46:40
well.... lets see what i can do then
feb is a while away still, so i'll hand something in -
Date: Sat, Dec 19 2009 08:02:45QUOTE (Mystic @ Dec 18 2009, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sorry, but it's right there....
Which is why I didn't ask whether they released them or not, I was verifying that they did... -
Date: Sat, Dec 19 2009 18:09:50
/in even if i lose ill learn something out of it
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Date: Sat, Dec 19 2009 18:13:10
/in
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Date: Sun, Dec 20 2009 06:17:00
im so screwed but /in
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Date: Wed, Dec 30 2009 01:32:44
/in
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Date: Wed, Dec 30 2009 02:06:57
meh.... i'll enter... i have nothing to do >.>
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Date: Thu, Dec 31 2009 05:25:35
/in.
i wanted a larger scale tournament so we can have more than 8 rankings, however im sure this will be fun anyway. -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 09:19:08
i'll try, /in
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 23:25:51
/in
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Date: Tue, Jan 12 2010 18:31:22
I'll try. =P
/in -
Date: Thu, Jan 21 2010 07:17:34
there are about 3 weeks left before first round deadline, so starting to prepare to think about how to create your breakdown might be a good idea.
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Date: Thu, Jan 28 2010 00:42:27
Pretty confident i'm doing this....
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Date: Thu, Jan 28 2010 00:50:59
boubt I;ll make it but in/
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Date: Thu, Jan 28 2010 00:52:10
/in im porlly the most horrible but okay. hi old timers.
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Date: Thu, Jan 28 2010 07:38:06
gonna try this..
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Date: Thu, Jan 28 2010 22:06:57
In.
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Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 18:49:17
the deadline is in 2 weeks, I have received 1 vid so far
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Date: Thu, Feb 4 2010 05:12:24QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 31 2010, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>the deadline is in 2 weeks, I have received 1 vid so far
/sent
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Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 03:33:22
1 week left, got 2 vids, more judges would be nice also
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Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 21:52:26
Could've been alot smoother but...
/sent -
Date: Tue, Feb 9 2010 07:12:59
I will try to play.
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Date: Tue, Feb 9 2010 21:44:42
/Sent
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Date: Thu, Feb 11 2010 03:52:09QUOTE (Mystic @ Feb 9 2010, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>/Sent
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Date: Thu, Feb 11 2010 05:49:04
/out I'll get slammed and don't have time to make a vid ._.
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Date: Thu, Feb 11 2010 06:25:53
/in i will try
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Date: Thu, Feb 11 2010 10:36:18QUOTE (Xzelph @ Feb 11 2010, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>/in i will try
Me too
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 16:12:52
tomorrow is the last day to submit
the first post has all the received vids so far -
Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 21:26:24
i bet the prize is a guaranteed spot on the WT11 roster.
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 22:52:18
wut about WT10?
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 22:59:18
World Tournaments are held every other year.
World Cups are held on all the other years (aka every other year)
WT'09
WC'10
WT'11
WC'12
WT'13
etc.
UPSB is too cool for WC'10, so we're hosting our own little tournament
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Date: Fri, Feb 12 2010 23:14:05
Or as Tek said:
"We don't need the World Cup. Fuck the world cup!" on one of his vids xD -
Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 02:02:13QUOTE (Tushix @ Feb 12 2010, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Or as Tek said:
"We don't need the World Cup. Fuck the world cup!" on one of his vids xD
agree... kirby fail. just as FPSB is doing the same -
Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 05:26:47QUOTE (hoiboy @ Feb 12 2010, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>World Tournaments are held every other year.
World Cups are held on all the other years (aka every other year)
WT'09
WC'10
WT'11
WC'12
WT'13
etc.
UPSB is too cool for WC'10, so we're hosting our own little tournament
Thanks Hoiboy I get it now
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Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 06:30:39QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 12 2010, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>tomorrow is the last day to submit
the first post has all the received vids so far
can i be in? -
Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 06:41:07
so this will be due at hte end of the day tomorrow?
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Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 06:54:01QUOTE (Simplex @ Feb 13 2010, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>so this will be due at hte end of the day tomorrow?
if by tomorrow you mean today
yes in 22 hours -
Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 07:10:25QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 13 2010, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if by tomorrow you mean today
yes in 22 hours
cool ty -
Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 09:06:08
is it via voting or judges?
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Date: Sat, Feb 13 2010 14:43:41QUOTE (SPRiNGFiELD @ Feb 13 2010, 04:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>is it via voting or judges?
btw, could you give us some information on who are the judges?
judges
no -
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 02:06:13
/in and video sent
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Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 02:16:53QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 13 2010, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>judges
no
hmm k thanks. cool. i'am dead -
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 04:15:03
/sent...
wont make it past qualification >< -
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 05:53:54
Zombo, am I in the qualification round? Doubt I'd make it to the first round but just wondering.
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Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 06:20:24
/sent
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Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 14:50:37QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Feb 14 2010, 01:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Zombo, am I in the qualification round? Doubt I'd make it to the first round but just wondering.
did u send the video in the first place? if you did send it before the closing date, yes -
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 15:28:05
qualification vids
Eric: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nv0FlDdPNw
Springfield: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkQkC5P-zZo
Pen Ninja: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNl7P0FVuGg
Look into the Sun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDyMEl0eBjg
Angelbaby07: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=milr-lmuAq4
Hippo2626: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ztnpxDhPoI
SpinFo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KfM0enIAw0
Simplex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwwX1FDiqWw
Wind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXxrCMgWTA8
AwonW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_mWYMZrD2o
vicgotgame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lclFurJRcNg
xzelph: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hispIXoRNd4
teotoko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv2aMbdVHnw
stemza: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9cl-c5WIzM
shadow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOgLxIZ1eE4
mystic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mguU7mkrJ_Y
escorpio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h66YtCXFoZI
ellusion67: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXafwFgegFs
darkdazh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBS6LnK0Org
jamie enns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpUIKy15epc
Eriror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMeGXvfagtc
we will now select top 8 vids that are eligible chosen by judges -
Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 16:37:17
Where's Eriror??? I saw his video on youtube :/
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Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 16:38:10QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 14 2010, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>qualification vids
Eric: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nv0FlDdPNw
Springfield: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkQkC5P-zZo
Pen Ninja: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNl7P0FVuGg
Look into the Sun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDyMEl0eBjg
Angelbaby07: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=milr-lmuAq4
Hippo2626: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ztnpxDhPoI
SpinFo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KfM0enIAw0
Simplex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwwX1FDiqWw
Wind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXxrCMgWTA8
AwonW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_mWYMZrD2o
vicgotgame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lclFurJRcNg
xzelph: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hispIXoRNd4
teotoko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv2aMbdVHnw
stemza: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9cl-c5WIzM
shadow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOgLxIZ1eE4
mystic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mguU7mkrJ_Y
escorpio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h66YtCXFoZI
ellusion67: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXafwFgegFs
darkdazh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBS6LnK0Org
jamie enns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpUIKy15epc
we will now select top 8 vids that are eligible chosen by judges
I got slammed... lol
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Date: Sun, Feb 14 2010 16:45:39QUOTE (Mystic @ Feb 14 2010, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Where's Eriror??? I saw his video on youtube :/
oh ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMeGXvfagtc
never received an email -
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 01:29:48
2 weeeeeeeeks >.<
i'm excited -
Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 01:47:53
I'm gonna' get owned!! Haha! My combos the worst of them all. Should have recorded another combo. I didn't have any time to record it so I had to use an old video I had. If I have time, I'll go record the actual combo. Anyways everyone else was great! Can't wait to see the other rounds.
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Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 02:09:37
i am uber excited
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Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 02:26:07
i counted 7 vids that were better than mine >.> nervous
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Date: Mon, Feb 15 2010 23:43:31
that means you might be the 8th qualifier
lol i can't wait for the results either. i'm out fer sher -
Date: Tue, Feb 16 2010 04:05:17QUOTE (Eric @ Feb 15 2010, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that means you might be the 8th qualifier
lol i can't wait for the results either. i'm out fer sher
same same but with all these people in it the real tourny is sure to be exciting
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Date: Tue, Feb 16 2010 04:09:47
Man.. I'm so screwed.
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Date: Tue, Feb 16 2010 04:46:55
too bad most people are focused on the WC10 rather than upsb tourney. i'm not keeping up with WC/WT this year
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Date: Tue, Feb 16 2010 05:22:30QUOTE (Eric @ Feb 15 2010, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>too bad most people are focused on the WC10 rather than upsb tourney. i'm not keeping up with WC/WT this year
that makes no sense, UPSB is not even qualified for WC10
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Date: Tue, Feb 16 2010 05:55:51QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 15 2010, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>that makes no sense, UPSB is not even qualified for WC10
i think he means the people are following WC10 much more than the UPSB tourney -
Date: Tue, Feb 16 2010 05:57:28
i meant like, a lot of people are more interested in the WC10 then they are in the UPSB tourney. well i'm sure more people will follow the UPSB tourney once the actual rounds start
it's just that i expected more qualification videos o.0 -
Date: Tue, Feb 16 2010 06:05:16
well yeah, WC10 is a far bigger tournament than UPSB Tourney... that's like comparing US championships with Olympics...
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Date: Tue, Feb 16 2010 09:52:49
there are some good ass videos =D
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Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 00:14:03
if judges decide rankings before two weeks will they post them then? =]
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Date: Wed, Feb 17 2010 00:20:34QUOTE (darkdazh @ Feb 16 2010, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if judges decide rankings before two weeks will they post them then? =]
i dont think that will happen imo. i mean there is a schedule decided already. by doing that everything would have to be redone? -
Date: Fri, Feb 26 2010 14:06:40
Results tomorrow? =o
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Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 20:46:31
yo Zombo, are the judges done judging??
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Date: Sat, Feb 27 2010 20:59:38QUOTE (teotoko @ Feb 27 2010, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yo Zombo, are the judges done judging??
I wouldn't even worry, man. You're like top 5 for sure. -
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 02:33:49
i hate anticipation
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Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 03:03:17
Good luck all! Hope the next rounds will be as epic as the world cup round 2!
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Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 17:46:39
Results
First of all, we received a lot of great videos, so thanks to all who submitted.
Second, out of those videos, there are more spinners that deserve to be in the tournament than spots available. This means we had a lot of difficult decisions to make.
Third, because of the high level, we had to respect the rules very strictly, the following combos are therefore disqualified:
LITS: too long.
Hippo2626: too long.
Angelbaby07: Not a real upsb member.
So first here are the unanimous decisions by all judges. By unanimous, I mean all judges put them in their top 8, but not necessarily in the ranking below, which is averaged.
Spoiler:
Here are the non-unanimous, but still majority decisions:
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Here are the people that were supported but only in minority. They are not qualified in the top 8:
Spoiler:
Here are other people that were seriously considered, but fell short of the top 8 in any judges' opinion:
Spoiler:
Here are the other comments:
Spoiler:
Here is the tournament tree:
Spoiler:
Secound Round: videos are due March 13th, 2010. Send your videos to [email protected] -
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 17:51:58
vic vs eriror @_@ !!!!!!
good job to everyone!
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Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 17:54:14
Oh man eriror was 8th place wow! UPSB first. Nevermind at least the matchup is now eriror versus vicgotgame. Can't wait for that battle. I believe the score between eriror and vic is 1-1 right. Congrats to all who got in. All the matchups seems so epic. This is gonna' be an awesome tournament. Great job people!! Next year the world cup winner will be from UPSB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 17:56:40
YES VIC VS ERIROR
epic. -
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 18:00:27
so if people want to judge from second round onwards, PM Me.
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Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 20:40:00
Ah man, didnt expect that for round 1.
But here we go again, good luck Eriror. Hope you have time to film this time.
Good luck to everyone else. -
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 21:20:44
Don't worry, I WILL film this time.
Good luck, everyone! -
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 22:38:38
good luck everyone..
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Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 23:57:30
where is Awon .gif)
I say teo wins the whole thing -
Date: Sun, Feb 28 2010 23:59:48
Wow, Vic and Eriror this early O.o
Good luck Jamie -
Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 00:07:06QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ Feb 28 2010, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Don't worry, I WILL film this time. Good luck, everyone!
Wait did Eriror not film and still get in?
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Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 00:11:17QUOTE (XYZakiメAM @ Feb 28 2010, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wait did Eriror not film and still get in?
quoting out of context ftl -
Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 02:29:29
come on penja!
aussie represent! -
Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 03:15:27QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 28 2010, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>quoting out of context ftl
Well I looked at the UPSBStaff YT Channel and Eriror has no video....
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Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 03:27:47QUOTE (XYZakiメAM @ Mar 1 2010, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well I looked at the UPSBStaff YT Channel and Eriror has no video....
But Yeah that quote is probably referring to the wrong thing.
refering to strat's team battle a couple of months ago
it was vic vs eriror, but eriror didn't hand in video, all hell broke loose
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Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 03:51:41
An anticipated Rematch between Eriror and Vicgotgame, that's going to be interesting
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Good Luck To everyone
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Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 04:38:18
I guess I shouldn't have used an old unreleased combo. Not too disappointing though.
Good luck to all the participants. I hope to see a grand tournament. -
Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 04:49:32QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Feb 28 2010, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I guess I shouldn't have used an old unreleased combo. Not too disappointing though.
Good luck to all the participants. I hope to see a grand tournament.
Hmm well it wasn't the content, your vid got dequaled for being too long, or else I bet you'd have a decent chance at it -
Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 10:31:44
Did the judges purposely give eriror the 8th place and vic the 1st so that we could all watch an epic battle? If so than thanks!
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Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 10:56:15
good luck all
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Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 11:33:05
Thank you all.
and Good luck
especially Simplex!! plz win! -
Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 14:23:24QUOTE (Xzelph @ Mar 1 2010, 06:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thank you all.
and Good luck
especially Simplex!! plz win! tyty but there is like no chance of that >.<
and goodluck everyone this will be soooo fun
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Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 14:50:20QUOTE (Simplex @ Mar 1 2010, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> tyty but there is like good chance of that
and goodluck everyone this will be soooo fun
fixed for ya james ^^ goodluck! -
Date: Mon, Mar 1 2010 17:04:38
i expected the bit about being sloppy... refilming wouldn't have given me a spot anyway. =P
This'll be pretty interesting though. -
Date: Mon, Mar 8 2010 15:11:18
videos are due this saturday.
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Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 15:40:18
received 2 videos so far (they're on youtube alrdy)
you have until tomorrow -
Date: Fri, Mar 12 2010 23:24:32QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 13 2010, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>received 2 videos so far (they're on youtube alrdy)
you have until tomorrow
mine and ellusion's? -
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 05:35:40
received everybody except
eriror -
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 05:50:50QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 12 2010, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>received everybody except
eriror
vicgotgame
hahaha
anticipation
EDIT:
seriously, D:
epic anticipation = too much for jamie -
Date: Sat, Mar 13 2010 08:47:16
Erirornal kraione Vs. Vicgotgame..
this will be epic.. the last time they battle,l vic got owned by eriror! -
Date: Sun, Mar 14 2010 01:56:20
vids out
vicgotgame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm56MkNAP30
eriror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oqAoxTGwgo
teotoko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MLFWNVkC0U
simplex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7AOGfFcTMc
mystic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd6dcezShdA
jamie enns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpgJO5XJ1bI
pen ninja: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2OgFedBvEo
ellusion67: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASmwNKZuZg4 -
Date: Tue, Mar 16 2010 22:37:02
oOoOoOo now this is an interesting round =].
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Date: Sat, Mar 20 2010 23:45:16
judges? -
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 03:13:38
tomorrow
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Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 16:17:48
ok I have the results,
I have 5 judges, but the 5th judge havent submitted yet, but then whatever he votes, it wont affect the final results so I'm not gonna wait anymore.
Here are compiled comments (they're all merged together)
Eriror vs vicgotgame:
Spoiler:
teotoko vs Simplex:
Spoiler:
Mystic vs Jamie Enns:
Spoiler:
Pen ninja vs Ellusion67:
Spoiler:
edit:
update with 5th judge:
Spoiler: -
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 16:25:31
3rd round main bracket:
B matchups:
3 ellusion67 vs 8 Eriror
5 Simplex vs 7 Jamie Enns
Vids due April 3rd. -
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 17:35:48
Pretty much as expected. Good job to the contestants. It's been a great tournament so far.
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Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 17:41:24
thanks for all the critique! clearly I didn't have what it takes, but I'm looking foreword to the B-side.
I'm looking foreword to Vic vs Teo, both amazing
I have nothing against the judges, but clarification in certain cases would be great. example "Eriror's combo is just as flawlessly executed but I feel that vic's combo was a little stronger." I get what the judge meant, but if this isn't going by points and is strictly opinion, I think a bit more is necessary -
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 17:47:07QUOTE (Jamie Enns @ Mar 21 2010, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>thanks for all the critique! clearly I didn't have what it takes, but I'm looking foreword to the B-side.
I'm looking foreword to Vic vs Teo, both amazing
I have nothing against the judges, but clarification in certain cases would be great. example "Eriror's combo is just as flawlessly executed but I feel that vic's combo was a little stronger." I get what the judge meant, but if this isn't going by points and is strictly opinion, I think a bit more is necessary
its because that comment goes with:
"Vicgotgame - His combo has a little more variety such as spins, aerials, and even a new aerial."
which explains why vic is stronger. -
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 17:49:20
ah k
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Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 18:01:21
me vs. vic x.X im gonna die
nice job to everyone -
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 19:34:24
O wow wasnt expecting some of the results. But still looking forward to the R3 battles. XD
Good luck Teo. -
Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 19:43:41
Vic vs Eriror, awesome. Two great combos. Eriror takes it for me though.
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Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 19:53:14
i dunno if anyone else caught it, but eriror was telling me he was planning this before he filmed -- he had wanted to do the same tricks in both hands, but on one hand, do everything one slot lower
i think that takes a bit more than just basic 2p2h, but i just wanted to throw that out there for anyone who wants to relook at his combo cause i dont' think i would've caught it right away if eriror didn't point that out to me
i do think that eriror did seem like he lost some control at 00:
but results... i think i alll pretty much agree with
Eriror- it's fine if you like your style and you're going to stay with it, cause i like it too, but i think we've went over this before lol, but your style incorporates so many subtle difficulties that aren't going to win battles for you if that's what you're counting on =\
Jamie- i really liked the combo you made for this, but i guess your lack of control is still somewhat of an issue =\, especiallly those bak sequences, you seem to lose control of those the most and show this by needing to go so far backwards -- although i think it's kinda cool, gives sorta a 3D effect to it, it's apparent that you're hand is moving backwards so much to maintain control...smoothen out those baks
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Date: Sun, Mar 21 2010 20:46:38
wow teo has to pull some stuff out of his anal cavity to beat vic.. LOL
btw i'm joking. kind of. -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 00:39:21
how was Teo vs. Simplex such a blow out they both had nice combos. I think it should have been more even then a 5-0 blowout. and DAMN Mystic nice spinning
EDIT: Also how do Erriror get beat so badly his combo was smooth and VERY diffucult. He has a amazing left hand and he did it one slot slower while keeping it decently smooth. The diffuculty I feel was much greater. But then again vics combo was pretty sexi
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 03:09:38QUOTE (Kirby @ Mar 21 2010, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>how was Teo vs. Simplex such a blow out they both had nice combos. I think it should have been more even then a 5-0 blowout. and DAMN Mystic nice spinning
EDIT: Also how do Erriror get beat so badly his combo was smooth and VERY diffucult. He has a amazing left hand and he did it one slot slower while keeping it decently smooth. The diffuculty I feel was much greater. But then again vics combo was pretty sexi
I feel like a big part of judging now is the appeal factor...
for teo vs simplex, i think i can see where the 5-0 result is coming from -- even though they both had nice combos, all the judges can agree on the fact that teo's combo nevertheless was better than simplex's due to having less variety and impact than teo's combo
for eriror and vic, like i said before, eriror's combo was very difficult, but most people fail to see the difficulty in his linkages and the things he does in his combo cause it goes by so quickly and again, so subtle
--you can argue that subtlety is good because it's impressive how effortlessly eriror can do all those difficult sequences, but if the jduges don't even have enough experience to see it, it's kinda pointless -- if vic pulls out something less difficult but more flashy and in your face, it becomes more memorable and thus wins the battle
i dont' disagree with the final results though, i still feel like eriror's slight loss of control at 00:23 (cause i think he was going for a bak ~> rev or something, but it ended up as a neobak 12-34) kidna lost it for me =\ ---for high level battles like this, obvious losses of control can really kill it
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 03:26:00QUOTE (JC @ Mar 21 2010, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I feel like a big part of judging now is the appeal factor...
for teo vs simplex, i think i can see where the 5-0 result is coming from -- even though they both had nice combos, all the judges can agree on the fact that teo's combo nevertheless was better than simplex's due to having less variety and impact than teo's combo
for eriror and vic, like i said before, eriror's combo was very difficult, but most people fail to see the difficulty in his linkages and the things he does in his combo cause it goes by so quickly and again, so subtle
--you can argue that subtlety is good because it's impressive how effortlessly eriror can do all those difficult sequences, but if the jduges don't even have enough experience to see it, it's kinda pointless -- if vic pulls out something less difficult but more flashy and in your face, it becomes more memorable and thus wins the battle
i dont' disagree with the final results though, i still feel like eriror's slight loss of control at 00:23 (cause i think he was going for a bak ~> rev or something, but it ended up as a neobak 12-34) kidna lost it for me =\ ---for high level battles like this, obvious losses of control can really kill it
Wow, JC, you are a good Judge, I saw that neoback part too.
Eriror could have gotten better though. Maybe he was busy, lol.??? -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 06:24:44
Yeah, I agree with the results as well, but I'd rather lose on different terms than: "I can't see what Eriror actually does so we give the win to Vic because his difficulty is more obvious." He obviously won on variety alone, haha.
Also, the desync at the end was intentional, but it might have been a bit too hard to maked it look controlled well. I guess it indeed wasn't smooth enough. But holy crap it's hard to suddenly desync after a small synced part. Just try it! Also, when I tried filming it, I always liked the look of the small pause after the NeoBak 2.0, just to give it an emphasis. But in some eyes, it just looks like a blatant mistake, I guess.
So yeah, I did two desynced parts in my combo, the first not really being noticable unless you slow it down I guess. When judging, I always slow videos down and break them down more precisely, and I guess that's what I expected others to do as well. Also the transfer to my 1p1h is harder than it looks, I guess. But that's debatable. I guess the main mistake was a repeated linkage, which I personally hated. But I didn't come out well out of the MiddleBak Rev, and the way I get in it actually seems to be the way I usually get out of it. A bit nasty.
But chyeah, I guess JC is right when he says I don't win battles with the subtle difficulty anymore here. But in my opinion, if the judges can't actually take the time or don't have the experience to check out the subleties... Either way, I got the toughest opponent available to me. Vicgotgame officially is the new king of UPSB now for me.
And yeah, I'm busy with university, so I don't nearly have enough time to spin and keep up with the rest anymore. I'm mostly living on 30 minutes a day now if not less. -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 06:41:21
D: I REALLY loved your combo Eriror! it was ubertastic!
Same with Vic's though >.< If only this was the final... -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 06:46:00
Such subtlety is admirable but must be executed flawlessly or it'll go unnoticed. It's an interesting concept, I'll admit--but it's like having two singers sing the same song but one starts a few seconds after the other. What's the point? To show that you can? Not good enough. Gotta do more than that.
Reminds me of frat's thumbstuckinthumbflap trick. Interesting and never been done before, but..what's the point? Purposely handicapping your spinning and scrunching up your hand in an unpleasing manner?
It was a great battle though, Eri. Really. I hope the loss doesn't inhibit you in anyway but only helps you grow.QUOTEAnd yeah, I'm busy with university, so I don't nearly have enough time to spin and keep up with the rest anymore. I'm mostly living on 30 minutes a day now if not less.
Heh, I know what you mean. PS is a great high school hobby, not as much for the college-bound. -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 06:58:36QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Mar 22 2010, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What's the point? To show that you can? Not good enough. Gotta do more than that.
Well the point of doing it is to increase the difficulty of his combo... lol
And eriror, can't expect all judges to be as good as you ;D haha, i mean, i never slow down combos and break them down when judging >< i usually just watch each vid normal speed 10-15 times each (if it's a close battle) D:
lol, but i mean yeah, even with the 4-1 score, it was still a good battle
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 07:08:05QUOTE (JC @ Mar 21 2010, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well the point of doing it is to increase the difficulty of his combo... lol
See fratleym reference. :P
If you watch it in wmp, it has a slow mo function. I used to use it for tricks and linkage I can't ID. -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 09:34:54
as i expected..you deserved it,pen ninja
..i still need to improve my linkages....... -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 12:47:19
great job UPSB. you guys are awesome.
GO PEN NINJA!!
eriror vs vic battle was just too much ...too soon. thankfull theres a 2nd bracket ^^ -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 12:56:42
My Opinion on round 2..
Simplex Vs Teo I was very disappointed with Simplex's combo, I was expecting more. Teo had sweet linkages.
Pen Ninja Vs Ellusion I thought Penja did a better job in terms of creativity, Control wise both were equal. I wished Ellusion had more interesting stuff.
JE Vs Mystic Hard to decide who was better at first 'cause they both did so great job but Mystic had a greater control.
Vic Vs EK The hardest battle to decide the winner. I wish I could null it but after watching both videos for the 2000th time, I felt EK had a greater difficulty which outweighed Vic's super awesome linkages.
I think that Penja, Teo, Mystic and EK should have moved on.
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 14:02:37
These judges seem too opinionated and inexperienced... well some, not all. You need to slow it down and examine every trick, because you may miss something subtle, yet possibly innovative or really difficult... and it may win the battle. Im not saying that i did anything good, but there was a judge that said i did a "bakriser - thumbindex spin"... I did an inverse shadow. It makes no difference, but judges need to pay attention to detail like that... because an inverse shadow and a bakriser arent even close... and that judge couldve easily missed something like that in other combos. Just looking at overall appeal and overall power alone isnt being a good judge. I know it seems like a lot of work for some people, but to keep this fair and professional-like... attention to detail is needed.
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 14:11:15QUOTE (Mystic @ Mar 22 2010, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Im not saying that i did anything good, but there was a judge that said i did a "bakriser - thumbindex spin"... I did an inverse shadow.
haha, i lol'd
In general, people willing to judge is usually hard to come by. Good judges, even harder. Gotta deal with what we have and make the best of it I suppose =\
But I agree, with both you and eriror on the whole judge issue, people need to take more time judging and not watch each vid just once or twice and come to a conclusion. And if they're going to quote a minicombo/trick/etc... go back and rewatch the vid, and get it right, instead of remembering that it was an aerial to thumbindex spin rev, and assuming it was a bakriser. (although i'll admit to having made some silly mistakes when writing stuff down in my judging reports in the past too lol... it all went right in my head, just came out wrong but i was tired haha..)
Buttt... I wonder who the judges are
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 14:24:56
That was a great round!~ Congratulations to all the winners ^^
I hate it how Vic and Eriror always have to battle so early Both had wonderful combos, I'm happy I'm not a judge since there's no way I could decide which is better >_<
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 14:29:15QUOTE (Resonance @ Mar 22 2010, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Can someone please explain the B matches? what is their meaning?
It's just a loser bracket so that the people who got eliminated this round can continue battling to become winner of the B Bracket -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 14:38:17QUOTE (JC @ Mar 22 2010, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's just a loser bracket so that the people who got eliminated this round can continue battling to become winner of the B Bracket
mhm, ok~
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 16:34:13
I had a lot of even finding judges, I only had 1 to start with, then another joined, I forced 3 others...
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 16:41:04QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 22 2010, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I had a lot of even finding judges, I only had 1 to start with, then another joined, I forced 3 others...
lulz
"judge or ban"? xD -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 17:18:15QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Mar 22 2010, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Such subtlety is admirable but must be executed flawlessly or it'll go unnoticed. It's an interesting concept, I'll admit--but it's like having two singers sing the same song but one starts a few seconds after the other. What's the point? To show that you can? Not good enough. Gotta do more than that.
Reminds me of frat's thumbstuckinthumbflap trick. Interesting and never been done before, but..what's the point? Purposely handicapping your spinning and scrunching up your hand in an unpleasing manner?
I don't see your point. The fact that it is subtle enough for people not to notice means that it's executed flawlessly, right? Otherwise it is obvious that I didn't master it yet. If you're talking about the last 2p2h, it's not subtle at all. I don't know what other thing you mean. And subtlety is just part of my style. I know 90% of the spinners don't look deep in the combo and try to see what I do, I spin for the remaining 10%. They appreciate the difficulty and perhaps even the 'beauty' in what I did. And that means a lot more to me than people who just want obvious things, which others do already. -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 18:21:52
I don't know if any system got put in place here, but to score combos comparitively would be good. Something like:
Difficulty:
Presentation:
Execution:
Creativity:
You give either +1/+2/+3 to one side or a 0 if they are the same. Highest score at the end wins. If they end up tied, then you just need to look over who did better overall or find one small difference that made a combo better. In the Eriror vs Vic battle I think it would be:
D: +2 Eriror (far more difficult)
Presentation: 0
Execution: 0
Creativity: Vic +1 (due to more 'new' stuff)
Eriror - +2 // Vic - +1
And it sucks that people are not willing to be judges =/
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 18:27:34
Yo srsly, why aren't the people that post all their stuff here judges in the first place?
PS is hard to judge due many different styles k? if both combos are flawless it comes down to style k? You can't compare difficulty of so many tricks... some people easily do 45765432 busts and then others tie a knot into their fingers and do a TA. Which one is harder?
A step forward are themes... it gives an exact point to judge by..style only plays a minor role there k? -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 18:36:00QUOTE (Frip @ Mar 22 2010, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yo srsly, why aren't the people that post all their stuff here judges in the first place?
PS is hard to judge due many different styles k? if both combos are flawless it comes down to style k? You can't compare difficulty of so many tricks... some people easily do 45765432 busts and then others tie a knot into their fingers and do a TA. Which one is harder?
A step forward are themes... it gives an exact point to judge by..style only plays a minor role there k?
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 19:00:35QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ Mar 22 2010, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't see your point. The fact that it is subtle enough for people not to notice means that it's executed flawlessly, right? Otherwise it is obvious that I didn't master it yet. If you're talking about the last 2p2h, it's not subtle at all. I don't know what other thing you mean. And subtlety is just part of my style. I know 90% of the spinners don't look deep in the combo and try to see what I do, I spin for the remaining 10%. They appreciate the difficulty and perhaps even the 'beauty' in what I did. And that means a lot more to me than people who just want obvious things, which others do already.
The "special" desync didn't last long enough for people to catch on that there was something special going other than a desync. Imo, it'd have to last longer and you'd have to do it really well for anyone to notice, "huh...was there more to it than just a desync?" And I'm referring to JC's mention of some...one slot lower desync--which I didn't notice at all. So I'm speaking of something I don't know much about. :]
Plus, don't you want people to notice the subtlety? Maybe I'm just not a fan of desyncs as desyncs are hard to watch, not as pleasant to watch as a well executed synced combo (as you did earlier). Also, since the mind is incapable of thinking of two things at once, you rely a lot on muscle memory for a desynced combo.
And tournaments are just too long. I would have helped judged, but I knew--due to its length--it'd interfere during the more busy times of life when I really don't want any extra work. Just wish tournys could be compressed. Helps keep people interested (I know I lose interest a lot) and I wouldn't mind judging.QUOTEYo srsly, why aren't the people that post all their stuff here judges in the first place?
PS is hard to judge due many different styles k? if both combos are flawless it comes down to style k? You can't compare difficulty of so many tricks... some people easily do 45765432 busts and then others tie a knot into their fingers and do a TA. Which one is harder?
A step forward are themes... it gives an exact point to judge by..style only plays a minor role there k?
It's hard to judge, but I don't see why it isn't possible. Just break each spinner's combos into Mat's categories. It helps. -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 21:23:40
i've always said in a large-scale tournament, you NEED judging categories, like Mats posted
theoretically, 2 experienced judges would put very similar scores in individual categories, even if they would personally 'prefer' or vote for different people
without categories it's not objective at all, makes the whole thing an exercise in futility -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 22:15:20QUOTE (Mats @ Mar 22 2010, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't know if any system got put in place here, but to score combos comparitively would be good. Something like:
Difficulty:
Presentation:
Execution:
Creativity:
You give either +1/+2/+3 to one side or a 0 if they are the same. Highest score at the end wins. If they end up tied, then you just need to look over who did better overall or find one small difference that made a combo better. In the Eriror vs Vic battle I think it would be:
D: +2 Eriror (far more difficult)
Presentation: 0
Execution: 0
Creativity: Vic +1 (due to more 'new' stuff)
Eriror - +2 // Vic - +1
And it sucks that people are not willing to be judges =/
Come on guys.
I like your system, altough I'd would make adjust a few changes to it. Instead of +1,+2,+3, there should just be +1 or +0. If EK had more diffuculty then he deserves +1, vic deserves +0. When you add in the numbers it makes it harder on the judges. Also does excution go with smoothness in your opinion? I also think there should be a judges preference. It kind of sums up which combo was the judges favorite/better combo. Hopefully the judges arn't fanboys and who pick spinners just because they are more popular. You should also have a odd number of catagories to prevent ties. Lastly, I don't think there should be a catagory where both people get 0's if they are the "same".
My scoring system for Vic vs. Eriror battle:
Diffuculty: Eriror +1 Obvious reasons
Presentation: Vic +1 Nice linkages, aesthetically nicer to watch
Creativity: Eriror +1 Vic had new and nice linkages, but EK 2p2h WHILE spinning one hand a slot slower is more creative in my opinion.
Execution: Vic +1 Erirors has more diffucult tricks but Vic was better and/or smoother at the tricks he did.
Judges Preferece: +1 Eriror. Although Vic is my fav spinner, his video didn't impress me, I like power trick Vic. EK had a nice video that kept my attention. Also the difficulty was just stunning.
Final Score: Eriror 3 vs. Vicgotgame 2
Any disagreements or changes to my judging? Constructive criticism please (I've never judged or broke down a battle before F.Y.I). -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 22:26:04QUOTE (Kirby @ Mar 22 2010, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>My scoring system for Vic vs. Eriror battle:
Diffuculty: Eriror +1 Obvious reasons
Presentation: Vic +1 Nice linkages, aesthetically nicer to watch
Creativity: Eriror +1 Vic had new and nice linkages, but EK 2p2h WHILE spinning one hand a slot slower is more creative in my opinion.
Execution: Vic +1 Erirors has more diffucult tricks but Vic was better and/or smoother at the tricks he did.
Judges Preferece: +1 Eriror. Although Vic is my fav spinner, his video didn't impress me, I like power trick Vic. EK had a nice video that kept my attention. Also the difficulty was just stunning.
Final Score: Eriror 3 vs. Vicgotgame 2
Any disagreements or changes to my judging? Constructive criticism please (I've never judged or broke down a battle before F.Y.I).
"Obvious reasons"? Elaborate please. Linkages are difficult.
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 22:28:33
As linkages are hard. Spinning amazing with 2 hands is more diffucult. Having the one hand spin alot slower is just icing on the cake. But thats just my opinion.
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Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 22:37:30QUOTE (JC @ Mar 21 2010, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i dunno if anyone else caught it, but eriror was telling me he was planning this before he filmed -- he had wanted to do the same tricks in both hands, but on one hand, do everything one slot lower
i think that takes a bit more than just basic 2p2h, but i just wanted to throw that out there for anyone who wants to relook at his combo cause i dont' think i would've caught it right away if eriror didn't point that out to me
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props to eriror for doing something so subtle but as charlie has mentioned, dont you want people to notice the subtlety?
i mean i could barely tell the difference with my eyes. and im pretty sure the others didnt really catch it as well
if the general consensus didnt catch it, then theres virtually no point...unless youre aiming for the 0.1% that actually caught it
it wouldve been much better if he slowed it down maybe a second on one hand but thats probably much harder -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 23:16:45QUOTE (Mats @ Mar 22 2010, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Are you really suggesting that you can't judge the comparative difficulty of two combos because the tricks are different?
no
but some things are too different to compare.. if somebody stalls the pen on his nose for 3 seconds and the other dude does 12 busts which one is harder?
Does a trick become easier once more people can do it? Or is it still considered difficult?
Why do we say that Bust -> Bust -> Aerial bust is still very difficult when there's a guy in china doing the same thing with his ring/middle finger multiple times? -
Date: Mon, Mar 22 2010 23:43:34QUOTE (Kirby @ Mar 22 2010, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I like your system, altough I'd would make adjust a few changes to it. Instead of +1,+2,+3, there should just be +1 or +0. If EK had more diffuculty then he deserves +1, vic deserves +0. When you add in the numbers it makes it harder on the judges. Also does excution go with smoothness in your opinion? I also think there should be a judges preference. It kind of sums up which combo was the judges favorite/better combo. Hopefully the judges arn't fanboys and who pick spinners just because they are more popular. You should also have a odd number of catagories to prevent ties. Lastly, I don't think there should be a catagory where both people get 0's if they are the "same".
My scoring system for Vic vs. Eriror battle:
Diffuculty: Eriror +1 Obvious reasons
Presentation: Vic +1 Nice linkages, aesthetically nicer to watch
Creativity: Eriror +1 Vic had new and nice linkages, but EK 2p2h WHILE spinning one hand a slot slower is more creative in my opinion.
Execution: Vic +1 Erirors has more diffucult tricks but Vic was better and/or smoother at the tricks he did.
Judges Preferece: +1 Eriror. Although Vic is my fav spinner, his video didn't impress me, I like power trick Vic. EK had a nice video that kept my attention. Also the difficulty was just stunning.
Final Score: Eriror 3 vs. Vicgotgame 2
Any disagreements or changes to my judging? Constructive criticism please (I've never judged or broke down a battle before F.Y.I).
Well, the issue with having only +0 or +1 is that what if someone deserves +3 over another person's difficulty as compared to the difference in smoothness.
Example) Spinner 1 has a very unsmooth combo but very difficult. Spinner 2 has a very smooth combo and has decent difficulty too and overall is a very well structured combo. Spinner 1 would get +0 on smoothness and +1 on difficulty, spinner 2 would get +1 on smoothness and +0 on difficulty (even though he has decent difficulty, the other guy just simple did better).
--What we're saying here from the points is that the battle is a tie; but I think from a different judging system (Mats's point system or explanation system), it's pretty obvious that the Spinner 2 easily won the battle.
Mats system: Spinner 1 gets +0 on smoothness and +3 on difficulty. Spinner 2 gets +3 on smoothness and +2 on difficulty. Spinner 2 wins with 5 points.
Reason system: Spinner 2 has a very well structured combo with a high level of smoothness, and although Spinner 1's difficulty was higher, Spinner 2's difficulty wasn't lacking all too much. Thus Spinner 2 deserves the win.
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My criticisms for your actual judging is the vagueness of your explanations. "Obvious reasons", "new and nice linkages", "difficulty was stunning"
-You should be giving specific examples, like say how at eriror at 00:XX did so and so trick, and then a something~>somethingelse at 00:XY which is better than vic's combo because the extent of vic's combo's interesting linkage was at 00:XZ and at 00:YY where he does a trick1~trick2~>trick3.
Your answers were too short, go into more detail because we may not all agree with your opinion and in order to make us believe you when you say that Eriror had higher difficulty, you have to give us specific tricks/links that he did at specific times.QUOTE (SJ @ Mar 22 2010, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>oO
props to eriror for doing something so subtle but as charlie has mentioned, dont you want people to notice the subtlety?
i mean i could barely tell the difference with my eyes. and im pretty sure the others didnt really catch it as well
if the general consensus didnt catch it, then theres virtually no point...unless youre aiming for the 0.1% that actually caught it
it wouldve been much better if he slowed it down maybe a second on one hand but thats probably much harder
When I think of Eriror's combos, I sort of thnk about those tough, dense english novels that you have to sit down, break down, and analyze to truly appreciate it fully. You can read a book, and say that it was enjoyable but pretty average...nothing too special. But after you sit down and discuss and analyze it, all these new things come out from between the lines and you go wow, I can't believe that was hidden there the entire time.
And then you have those books that have no actual hidden content and are just for enjoyment only. Although there may be a few themes in there that are nice, but are pretty cliche.... if you compare that to the denser book, the "hidden content" that you go wow at when you find is very few. But if only plan on reading it once and like to just have a fun read, that'd be the much more enjoyable book to read.. since the denser book takes effort and work to analyze and appreciate.
So I feel like eriror's combo is this "difficult, dense book". He does a lot of cool stuff, but you can only see it if you actually try to see it...and he's not going to put all that stuff on a silver platter for you to see. Yes, it's probably better to make an enjoyable combo to watch (tournament wise), but to me, I don't think eriror is going for that-- it's enjoyable if you as the audience put work into seeing what neat things he does.
Too bad many judges wouldn't put the effort to see every little bit of things he does; and to be honest, I'm not sure I would either and I dont' think i would've noticed a lot of it if he didn't tell me. There's only 8 vids here, but in other tourneys, it'd be difficult to break down every combo to such detail---that takes a lot of time, and at least for myself, I wouldn't have the time to do all that. And the judges for this tourney did fine, but in some cases, I don't feel like the judges for some tournaments are experienced enough to judge (it's a whole separate issue, but an example would be the newb tournament =\)
In the end, I can understand why the judges chose who they chose, and perhaps it's a matter of what system they judge by.... personally, I think either the point system or reasoning system is fine. I think judges should maybe discuss the combos with each other a bit more, but that again, is difficult to do because it's hard to find a time that's convenient for everyone and passing messages back and forth is a little annoying (but i guess feasible). In the end, with either system, I think the people who won with one system I think would've won with the other system anyway.QUOTE (Frip @ Mar 22 2010, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>no
but some things are too different to compare.. if somebody stalls the pen on his nose for 3 seconds and the other dude does 12 busts which one is harder?
Does a trick become easier once more people can do it? Or is it still considered difficult?
Why do we say that Bust -> Bust -> Aerial bust is still very difficult when there's a guy in china doing the same thing with his ring/middle finger multiple times?
maybe it's not the difficulty that would decrease for the bust > bust > aerial bust.... but it's just the creativity that would decrease -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 00:41:49QUOTE (JC @ Mar 22 2010, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well, the issue with having only +0 or +1 is that what if someone deserves +3 over another person's difficulty as compared to the difference in smoothness.
Example) Spinner 1 has a very unsmooth combo but very difficult. Spinner 2 has a very smooth combo and has decent difficulty too and overall is a very well structured combo. Spinner 1 would get +0 on smoothness and +1 on difficulty, spinner 2 would get +1 on smoothness and +0 on difficulty (even though he has decent difficulty, the other guy just simple did better).
--What we're saying here from the points is that the battle is a tie; but I think from a different judging system (Mats's point system or explanation system), it's pretty obvious that the Spinner 2 easily won the battle.
Mats system: Spinner 1 gets +0 on smoothness and +3 on difficulty. Spinner 2 gets +3 on smoothness and +2 on difficulty. Spinner 2 wins with 5 points.
Reason system: Spinner 2 has a very well structured combo with a high level of smoothness, and although Spinner 1's difficulty was higher, Spinner 2's difficulty wasn't lacking all too much. Thus Spinner 2 deserves the win.
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My criticisms for your actual judging is the vagueness of your explanations. "Obvious reasons", "new and nice linkages", "difficulty was stunning"
-You should be giving specific examples, like say how at eriror at 00:XX did so and so trick, and then a something~>somethingelse at 00:XY which is better than vic's combo because the extent of vic's combo's interesting linkage was at 00:XZ and at 00:YY where he does a trick1~trick2~>trick3.
Your answers were too short, go into more detail because we may not all agree with your opinion and in order to make us believe you when you say that Eriror had higher difficulty, you have to give us specific tricks/links that he did at specific times.
Thanks for constructive criticism. But the +1 +2 +3 system, willl be much harder on the judges. I like my system because It takes the different catagories and chooses a winner for each. The one who is better at more catagories win. Although I really do see your pointand kind of agree with it. I think judge preference could kind of go with that though. For example, Oh well Eriror teachnically did better in the catagories but vics combo was overall nicer and better (just a random example). So +1 for vic in judge prefrence catagory. Although this system isn't the best nor the most fair, I think it's really simple for judges (especially because were having problems with good judging) and decent for judging. -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 00:44:42QUOTE (Kirby @ Mar 22 2010, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thanks for constructive criticism. But the +1 +2 +3 system, willl be much harder on the judges. I like my system because It takes the different catagories and chooses a winner for each. The one who is better at more catagories win. Although I really do see your pointand kind of agree with it. I think judge preference could kind of go with that though. For example, Oh well Eriror teachnically did better in the catagories but vics combo was overall nicer and better (just a random example). So +1 for vic. Although this system isn't the best nor the most fair, I think it's really simple for judges (especially because were having problems with good judging) and decent for judging.
We shouldnt' be making the job easier for judges though... i personally think judges should be doing more than what they're doing at the moment. -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 00:45:03
One thing to bear in mind is that the comments are in no way comprehensive... The judges only talk about what they're more confident about, the fact that most consider the results fair mean they still have the right perception, even if they weren't able to fully explain their judgment
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Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 00:57:32QUOTE (JC @ Mar 22 2010, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We shouldnt' be making the job easier for judges though... i personally think judges should be doing more than what they're doing at the moment.
I couldn't agree more. But in reality they're not. This tourney and the noob tourney have both had bad judges. The noob tourneys judge 3 was on crack and the other 2 didn't do the best either. I also feel with +1 +2 +3 system, the judges would un-intentionally show more favoritism. Judge 1: "Hmm Eriror had decent-pretty good smoothness. But I liked the combo and love Eririor: +3 on smoothness". Where if Vic also did pretty good-great smoothness (slightly better then Erirors) he would probably only get +2 as he deserves a +2. Now Eriror has a extra point with slightly worse smoothness (bad example). this is harder to do with my system I think. Now judges shouldn't do that but they all are somewhat biased (spelling). The more numbers on the judging scale the harder it is for accurate judging.Lastly, it doesn't reallymatter but just one small problem for mats scale is with the tie they both get 0. Might as well give both sides +2. It's the same point outcome but everyone including the spinners will see how they were judged and what score they got in that catagorry (If the points from judges are even announced).
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Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 00:58:58
How about just getting judges who don't suck?
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Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 00:59:30QUOTE (AwonW @ Mar 22 2010, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How about just getting judges who don't suck?
Easier said then done but +1 -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 01:07:54
Just ask lots of experienced spinners, a handful are bound to accept.
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Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 01:15:42
aren't we getting a bit off-topic with the whole scoring system?
here's an idea....
Let a machine do the judging for us...it will be completely objective -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 03:11:38
@JC
You and your long posts--I almost skipped it simply because of its length. Word of advice: A good post is a like a good mini-skirt. Long enough to cover the subject material but short enough to still keep things interesting.
Well, interesting comparison, JC, but I'd have to argue against that. Books are symbolic in nature, pen spinning is not. There's only so much you can analyze in PS. Of course, maybe I'm just not good enough to notice such subtleties, eh?
About the judging issue. No one wants to be a judge because judging is charity work. You do it...for nothing. There needs to be an incentive to judge. My suggestion is a prize. It doesn't have to be really big like the tourny winner's prize, but enough to entice and attract--like a low-cut shirt...but I think that's enough sexual metaphors. You know what I mean.
@Kam
Maybe you can travel to the year 2409 and find one for us. ;] -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 03:26:00QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Mar 22 2010, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@JC
You and your long posts--I almost skipped it simply because of its length. Word of advice: A good post is a like a good mini-skirt. Long enough to cover the subject material but short enough to still keep things interesting.
Ahaha, i'm okay with long dresses xDQUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Mar 22 2010, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well, interesting comparison, JC, but I'd have to argue against that. Books are symbolic in nature, pen spinning is not. There's only so much you can analyze in PS. Of course, maybe I'm just not good enough to notice such subtleties, eh?
Eriror is trying to take pen spinning to the next level
taking pen spinning to a deeper level
And i doubt you're not good enough to not notice the subtleties.. again, a lot of us can see it if we just take the time (a lot of time?) to look for it -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 03:33:44QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Mar 22 2010, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@JC
You and your long posts--I almost skipped it simply because of its length. Word of advice: A good post is a like a good mini-skirt. Long enough to cover the subject material but short enough to still keep things interesting.
Brilliant.
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Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 04:36:28QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Mar 22 2010, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>About the judging issue. No one wants to be a judge because judging is charity work. You do it...for nothing. There needs to be an incentive to judge. My suggestion is a prize. It doesn't have to be really big like the tourny winner's prize, but enough to entice and attract--like a low-cut shirt...but I think that's enough sexual metaphors. You know what I mean.
@Kam
Maybe you can travel to the year 2409 and find one for us. ;]
What's more...if you do a good job as a judge, you get no recognition or pat in the back, but if you are lazy or mess up, you will definitely hear about it.
Which is why real life tournaments usually require an entry fee. All the participants pay a small fee, which covers expenses, and can be used to pay the judges.
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Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 04:53:40QUOTE (Kam @ Mar 22 2010, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What's more...if you do a good job as a judge, you get no recognition or pat in the back, but if you are lazy or mess up, you will definitely hear about it.
Which is why real life tournaments usually require an entry fee. All the participants pay a small fee, which covers expenses, and can be used to pay the judges.
Indeed indeed. It sounds like a good idea, but how many people would have the money/access to paypal? Money would keep a lot of spinners from participating. One idea I had for a PS gathering tourny was for everyone to submit a mod to participate in the tourny. If you lose, you forfeit your pen to the winner (it doesn't have to be the mod you're spinning). This way, you don't have to be the winner of the tourny to get a prize. Win one round, and you get something.
This is harder to do online due to shipping, but plausible.QUOTEEriror is trying to take pen spinning to the next level ohmy.gif taking pen spinning to a deeper level
And i doubt you're not good enough to not notice the subtleties.. again, a lot of us can see it if we just take the time (a lot of time?) to look for it
We'll see how that goes.
@awon
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Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 14:47:53QUOTEbut some things are too different to compare.. if somebody stalls the pen on his nose for 3 seconds and the other dude does 12 busts which one is harder?
12 what busts?QUOTEDoes a trick become easier once more people can do it?
Someone learning something doesn't change its actual difficulty. You seem to be getting bogged down with the whole difficulty issue... It's generally very easy to tell who has the more difficult combo. Sometimes, you can't tell just by looking and have to watch a few times through. After a few times watching through it's pretty easy to tell. If you can't tell either way, they are roughly equal.
Scoring by a 0/+1/+2/+3 per category system seems good. If the judge also gives a line about why in each category, there should be no problems. it's clear when someone's judging is out in this system too. If someone is giving +3 for difficulty and the other judges are all giving 0/+1... Sometimes people will 'mess up' once in one category, but consistant mess ups like this would suggest that someone just isn't good enough, or isn't putting in the effort. It's hard to tell if judges are up to the task by them just saying 'x wins' and writing a line about why. Maybe something to consider for next time.
I always have found judging to be quite fun. It's always nice to look at a combo in a bit more detail and break down what's going on in it! (except if the combo is spammed full of shite). I'm surprised that few people here feel the same way!!! -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 17:24:29
In any case, if anybody wants to judge for the last 2 rounds, pm me. Anybody criticizing the judges and not volonteering will be considered a hypocrite in my book
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Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 20:11:52QUOTE (Kirby @ Mar 22 2010, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I couldn't agree more. But in reality they're not. This tourney and the noob tourney have both had bad judges. The noob tourneys judge 3 was on crack and the other 2 didn't do the best either. I also feel with +1 +2 +3 system, the judges would un-intentionally show more favoritism. Judge 1: "Hmm Eriror had decent-pretty good smoothness. But I liked the combo and love Eririor: +3 on smoothness". Where if Vic also did pretty good-great smoothness (slightly better then Erirors) he would probably only get +2 as he deserves a +2. Now Eriror has a extra point with slightly worse smoothness (bad example). this is harder to do with my system I think. Now judges shouldn't do that but they all are somewhat biased (spelling). The more numbers on the judging scale the harder it is for accurate judging.Lastly, it doesn't reallymatter but just one small problem for mats scale is with the tie they both get 0. Might as well give both sides +2. It's the same point outcome but everyone including the spinners will see how they were judged and what score they got in that catagorry (If the points from judges are even announced).
How do you prove someone is exhibiting favoritism? In fact, how can you prove that you yourself are not showing favoritism? To me, a lot of this thread lately sounds like they weren't happy with the results simply because the spinner they wanted to win didn't win. If you want to accuse the judges of anything, accuse them of being lazy. Accuse them of being not able to elaborate or articulate enough to express exactly why they made the decision they made, not because they are inexperienced. I don't get why they would be judges if they were inexperienced in the first place. -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 21:45:30
Wow I didn't know judges had to write an entire essay analyzing the combos by each millisecond. Zombo asked for a small justification of choice. The judges determined the winner and that's it. Most of the people seem to have agreed with the choices of the judges. So why whine about HOW they chose the winners if you would've chosen the same one in the end?
god damn it fuck shit fuck penis dick fuck. -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 21:58:27QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 23 2010, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>In any case, if anybody wants to judge for the last 2 rounds, pm me. Anybody criticizing the judges and not volonteering will be considered a hypocrite in my book
/a participant, not hypocrite -
Date: Tue, Mar 23 2010 23:50:31QUOTE (AwonW @ Mar 22 2010, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>How about just getting judges who don't suck?
I like this tourny's judges. I've agreed with pretty much all the results so far. Even if their comments aren't very elaborate.
Oh and predictions for the next battle. I'll say it's gonna end up being Vic vs Mystic. Go go power rangers--I mean, trickers. ;] -
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 00:06:17QUOTE (Frip @ Mar 23 2010, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wow I didn't know judges had to write an entire essay analyzing the combos by each millisecond. Zombo asked for a small justification of choice. The judges determined the winner and that's it. Most of the people seem to have agreed with the choices of the judges. So why whine about HOW they chose the winners if you would've chosen the same one in the end?
god damn it fuck shit fuck penis dick fuck.
people want to know exactly why the judges thought a person deserved to win lol, dunnoQUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 23 2010, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>In any case, if anybody wants to judge for the last 2 rounds, pm me. Anybody criticizing the judges and not volonteering will be considered a hypocrite in my book
you're terrible!! and plus, too much schoolwork + judging something else already D: -
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 00:14:24QUOTE (JC @ Mar 23 2010, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>people want to know exactly why the judges thought a person deserved to win lol, dunno
you're terrible!! and plus, too much schoolwork + judging something else already D:
Haha, indeed. Peer pressure. Nice. -
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 12:56:35QUOTEWow I didn't know judges had to write an entire essay analyzing the combos by each millisecond. Zombo asked for a small justification of choice
Frip, using gross exaggeration doesn't contribute anything.
Zombo - The only reason I didn't PM to be a judge is that I'm going away on 2nd April to the circus and have known about this since when the tournament was announced... I can't judge while at circus - Hardly any net access. -
Date: Wed, Mar 24 2010 23:29:31
my last reply was obviously in jest
but i seriously need more judges :/ -
Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 05:09:29
ill judge.... oh wait....
oh and a question.... australian tourney we had a loser's bracket but we had the round 2 people go down when they lost as well, then the winner of the loser's bracket vsed the winner of the winner's for the final. that system was shit coz i had to vs neoknux twice and could have been 3 times, i hope we arent doing that here? -
Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 08:31:48
not speaking on behalf of zombo, but OP says its basically the reverse of our Aus torni
meaning its a "normal" tornament tree, where you lose, ur out (basically)
the loser bracket is there for both fun and to decide 3rd/4th
so if you lose a battle, you can't be first/second
but there is a chance that you will verse ellusion again, but in that circumstance, you wont be in contention for 1st place
but as if that will ever happen
go penja (for a moment, i was going to shorten pen ninja to just 'ja') -
Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 15:47:52QUOTE (Pen Ninja @ Mar 25 2010, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ill judge.... oh wait....
oh and a question.... australian tourney we had a loser's bracket but we had the round 2 people go down when they lost as well, then the winner of the loser's bracket vsed the winner of the winner's for the final. that system was shit coz i had to vs neoknux twice and could have been 3 times, i hope we arent doing that here?
at most you can battle the same dude twice
but not thrice -
Date: Thu, Mar 25 2010 17:52:01QUOTE (Zombo @ Mar 25 2010, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>at most you can battle the same dude twice
but not thrice
righto... so the losers is the semi finals will go down to the b bracket? but the winner of the b bracket wont vs the winner of a? -
Date: Sat, Mar 27 2010 07:46:49QUOTE (Pen Ninja @ Mar 26 2010, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>righto... so the losers is the semi finals will go down to the b bracket? but the winner of the b bracket wont vs the winner of a?
yeah. exactly! that's what i'm tryin to explain before ;-) -
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 19:38:16
missing 1 = simplex
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Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 20:23:47QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 3 2010, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>missing 1 = simplex
why am i in this tourny >.< everyone is so good omgggggggggggg -
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 20:31:30
Videos
1 vicgotgame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq9iGzM20AY
4 teotoko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgn0kL6TAQA
2 Mystic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v69eS9ddCN0
6 Pen Ninja: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oI4qPG1_RE
B bracket:
3 ellusion67: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkcrSphcBzg
8 Eriror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlHDnlDb1lM
5 Simplex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQe9f_FWCK0
7 Jamie Enns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a50yGVUr2fY
Results next weekend -
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 21:19:18 All the vids are sooo cool!
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Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 21:20:23
Comments on main:
Goddam teo, I thought vic was gonna steamroll but you put up a really good fight. My favorite battle this round.Lovely style and linkages. Very well structured combo with an interesting finisher. Wasn't expecting that. I'll probably give vic the win though. A higher difficulty with also nicely done linkages. Both with also quite similar styles, interestingly enough--though teo has more flare to his spinning. Definitely a tough battle.
Great combo mystic, but Penja won me over with those very well-done baks.
Comments on B:
ellusion67, to be frank, disappointed me. Just some twisted sonic spam with power tricks in between. Seems like eri isn't trying as hard after his battle with vic though. elu definitely has the higher difficulty in this case, but I do prefer eri's well structured combo over tw sonics + power tricks. My vote goes to eri.
Both simplex and jamie had obvious mistakes in their combos although simplex's stood out more to me as his was during his finisher and the end always leaves a lasting impression. Pretty good combo from simplex, but imo, Jamie takes the cake.
So, let's see... Things'll probably turn out like this.
1. Vicgotgame
2. Pen Ninja
3. Teokoko
4. Mystic
5. Eriror
6. Jamie Enns
7. Ellusion67
8. Simplex
Although I'd prefer if it actually turned out like this:
1. Vicgotgame
2. Eriror
3. Teokoko
4. Pen Ninja
5. Mystic
6. Jamie Enns
7. Ellusion67
8. Simplex
9. Me
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Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 21:26:11
i suck at pen spinning :/|
teoh was amazing. imo he really put up a good fight with vic and maybe took this round. jamie you beat me for sure
pen ninja godamn your baks are amazing
mystic i love the flow of your combos -
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 22:11:24
my heart tells me teo wins
my head tells me vic wins
for the others its penja, eriror, enns #2
imo
@LITS: eriror can actually take #3 spot is he does not lose anymore in this competition, because next round B winners face A losers -
Date: Sat, Apr 3 2010 23:40:14
For the A side: AMAZING STUFF BY ALL!!!!!
vic vs teo. This was the best battle,It's quite even in my opinion. Vic had high difficulty and sweet linkages while teo had a well organised combo with with difficulty as well. I'd say the battle goes to vic for this one even though I enjoyed teos combo more. Vics combo showed a greater control and a cool style.
mystic vs penja. Penja, you are like a bak God. It was very smooth combo with that lovely display of baks. However, I'd say Mystic wins 'cause he had a great variety with topspins, wipers, conic, arounds and power tricks all in his combo with a great intro and outro of combos. It was a very close battle, Mystic had a shaky finisher which removed some points from me.
B side: ...
I was quite sad, It was like everyone here gave up.
EK vs Ellusion. Ellusion, I think you're a great spinner but it's like you ever push yourself and your combo's to the limits. It's always pretty similar combos nowadays in my opinion. EK steals the battle for this one.
Simplex vs JE. Very shaky battle Simples gets this one for being more appealing. I'd say all the other factors are pretty even.
I based all my opinions on watching the videos once because of time so I might be wrong.
By the way once the winner is decided from both sides, is it a good idea to match up the spinners like 1st place from group A and B battle, 2nd place from group A and B battle, etc??? -
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 00:03:00
Ellusion man... What happened to your combos? I looked at your vids from a year ago and they are amazing but these ones are that boring style that people are getting these bays. BACK TO OLD WAYS!
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Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 00:12:59QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Apr 3 2010, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'd say Mystic wins 'cause he had a great variety with topspins, wipers, conic, arounds and power tricks all in his combo with a great intro and outro of combos.
I'm guessing that you missed that every third trick was a twisted sonic?
Overall, I think everyone in B group had no heart in it. They all looked like they were not giving their best but just trying to scrape by on whatever they could throw together.
vic>teo
pen ninja>mystic -
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 00:54:31QUOTE (Tushix @ Apr 3 2010, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ellusion man... What happened to your combos? I looked at your vids from a year ago and they are amazing but these ones are that boring style that people are getting these bays. BACK TO OLD WAYS!
Exactly what I thought.
@Zombo
Oh, really now? Would love to see that happen. -
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 01:30:00
Vic and Teo's battle was so close because it seemed like they had really similar combos.
I haven't broken either of them down yet, but at first watch, I didn't see any errors in vics combo, but so a stumble or two in teos, so unless teo did some sick shit i didn't see in first watch, i'd give it to vic -
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 01:53:42
I dont care if some people didnt like my combo, i love how it turned out... besides the finisher. I was going for another fingerless hai tua, but ended up catching early... whatever
As I see it, if i get lucky enough to win, ill battle Vic... if i lose, i hope Ill battle Eriror. Either way, I will be content -
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 03:33:29
mystic was good.... but penja's bak combo was hcx
teo and vics were both awesome.... but i seem to like vic's general style over teo's
cmon penja, beat vic in the next round -
Date: Sun, Apr 4 2010 09:34:02QUOTE (Chief_Snake @ Apr 4 2010, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Overall, I think everyone in B group had no heart in it. They all looked like they were not giving their best but just trying to scrape by on whatever they could throw together.
Thanks...? How did I not do my best?
No really, I wasn't disappointed by the videos. You can pretty much notice most of the people are or trying really hard to improve on their stuff, or actually trying some new things. That's really nice to see. And some of you might not notice, but I am in the second group.
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Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 05:24:26
missing 2 judges
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Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 16:58:23
Results for round 3:
1 vicgotgame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq9iGzM20AY
4 teotoko: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgn0kL6TAQA
Spoiler:
2 Mystic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v69eS9ddCN0
6 Pen Ninja: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oI4qPG1_RE
Spoiler:
B bracket:
3 ellusion67: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkcrSphcBzg
8 Eriror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlHDnlDb1lM
Spoiler:
5 Simplex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQe9f_FWCK0
7 Jamie Enns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a50yGVUr2fY
Spoiler: -
Date: Sun, Apr 11 2010 17:00:01
4th round main bracket:
B matchups:
4 teotoko vs 8 Eriror
2 Mystic vs 7 Jamie Enns -
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 02:20:21
Congrats Penja! I knew you'd win, although it was very close! ^^ Good luck against Vic!!!
But yeah, why do I have to battle Jamie again? That takes the fun out of this for me. On top of losing, I have to battle someone ive battled already. I was hoping to battle Eriror, but even Teo would have been great... -
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 02:40:07
by winning against ellusion, eriror has taken over his 3rd seed, jamie enns has take over the 5th seed, so the best available seed (#2) fights the orst (#5)
if people wants to switch their matchup in the B bracket, go ahead, it doesn't really matter -
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 03:15:25
Results were as expected for me, although I kind of wanted teo to win. I thought he did an amazing job.
Can't wait for the next round. -
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 03:27:43
Honestly if it were best performance, or like who deserved it most, teo won it, but as far as strictly which video was better, I think vic won
either way, great job everyone -
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 04:11:23
fuuuuck, vs vic now -.-
this will be epic lol
but ive run out of baks D: (not really)
gonna have to pull some creativity out of my ass
gg mystic, gl in future -
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 04:29:21QUOTE (strat1227 @ Apr 11 2010, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Honestly if it were best performance, or like who deserved it most, teo won it, but as far as strictly which video was better, I think vic won
either way, great job everyone
Gotta agree with you there.
GL Penja. You know, the term, "pulling something out of my ass," is a rather homosexual reference... -
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 04:43:31QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ Apr 12 2010, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You know, the term, "pulling something out of my ass," is a rather homosexual reference...
lol wtf?
just because it involves an ass doesn't make it gay lol
anyway, GL penja, it'd be cool to see another epic battle for the finals
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Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 04:55:46
ah, good battle teo. It was really close.
Good luck against Eriror.
Lol damn, dont own me too bad Pen Ninja. No moonwalk haituas plz. -
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 05:44:12QUOTE (strat1227 @ Apr 11 2010, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol wtf?
just because it involves an ass doesn't make it gay lol
anyway, GL penja, it'd be cool to see another epic battle for the finals
Guess my head's just in the gutter after playing Bang! with some friends. -
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 05:51:40
Good Job Pen Ninja :]
Both combos were great by Penja's prevailed in the end ^^
Penja, win Upsb Tourney for Australia !!!! -
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 11:04:54
I felt Mystic had a better combo but congrats Penja, Vic, Eriror and Jamie. I would really like to see Eriror Vs Mystic and JE vs Teo.
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Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 13:19:27
good job everyone
but know i am against eriror >> -
Date: Mon, Apr 12 2010 21:28:11
simplex deserves the win, that "JEB style" comment by the judge is ridiculous
vs Mystic again? well, we can prepare better? i uno
vic vs penja will be neat, i can't decide who will win trick wise :\ but i get the feeling vic will win because his combos are more appealing -
Date: Tue, Apr 13 2010 02:21:25
lolol jamie speaks a lie xD i deserve the loss but yah i was wondering what is jeb style lolol
everyone is amazing... i cant wait to see the next round matches -
Date: Sun, Apr 18 2010 04:25:28
videos are due in 1 week (4/24)
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Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 00:44:19
vids are due tomorrow.
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Date: Sat, Apr 24 2010 02:09:38
sent... hopefully u got it lol
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Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 04:12:56
Round 4
Main bracket:
1 vicgotgame vs 6 Pen Ninja
B bracket:
4 teotoko vs 8 Eriror
2 Mystic vs 7 Jamie Enns -
Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 04:15:23QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 24 2010, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Round 4
Main bracket:
1 vicgotgame vs 6 Pen Ninja
B bracket:
4 teotoko vs 8 Eriror
2 Mystic vs 7 Jamie Enns
You have the wrong link for penja.
should be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzdiiVCYxEY -
Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 04:16:35
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Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 04:38:03
Good round. Been a great tournament guys. Job well done everyone.
I might add in more later but this what I have to say:
Battle 1: A really badass finale. Vic had outstanding linkages and penja has the best backs I've seen in ages. Two amazing combos. Penja just needs some fitting music in the back ground. Justin Timberlake - Sexy Back, anyone?
Battle 2: Teo's taken me by surprise this tournament. He brings a lot to each round and doesn't hold back. Really been nice to see him spin in this tourny. Also enjoyed eri's combo this round. Well structured, nice linkages, and a high level of difficulty.
Battle 3: Imo, mystic and jamie almost seem to act as foils for each other. Mystic's smoothness in juxtaposition with jamie's, highlight's jamie's own lack of smoothness and inconsistencies in tempo and control. On the other hand, Jamie stands out in creativity. Some very interesting linkages going on (might be hard to see due to the angle though...). I really like jamie's combo, for his ability to explore and experiment with linkages and pen spinning. Oh and both had a high level of difficulty.
Hard to say who'll win. I'd hate to be a judge for this round. -
Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 10:41:48
My thoughts:
Main bracket:
1 vicgotgame vs 6 Pen Ninja
So close battle! Insane stuff from both spinners!!
Vic: very very cool linkages! (are you drifting away from power tricking???? It's funny that you didn't do many or any haituas I think when it has been you signature trick)
Penja: very very cool baks! (I like that pinkyspread to the other hand.)
Winner: draw so REMATCH!!!!!!!
Seriously they both had the same level of difficulty, appeal and smoothness. (vic did have a greater variety but Penja had 2p1h! )
I'll type out my thoughts on the B bracket and the rest of the main battle later but I just wanted to say that this has been a very intense and insane tournament and thanks to everyone who participated for all the awesome battles and entertainment you've provided us!! I think that this tournament has been more intense than the world cup because in the world cup, most of the battles had a clear cut winner but here most of the battles were soooo close!!
Thanks to:
Zombo
Vic
Penja
Eriror
Teotoko
Mystic
JE
Ellusion
Simplex
The world torunament winner will be a UPSBian next year!!!!! -
Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 12:40:34
eriror fav combo of the tournament for sure the stuck ending is appealing for some reason
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Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 14:05:55QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 25 2010, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>eriror fav combo of the tournament for sure the stuck ending is appealing for some reason
oh man, agreed, i loved everything about EK's combo. he were in the final round vs either person i think he'd have taken it -
Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 15:34:17
Vic vs. Pen Ninja:
Vic:Very nice smoothness, I liked how your not relying on your power tricks as much, nice full combo and fun to watch.
Pen Ninja: Best baks I think I've ever seen.....although I think there were a few too many. 2p1h was great, and I really loved your incredibly smooth transistions between hands.
winner: pen Ninja, both were grerat combos and very, VERY even, Pen Ninja was basically just my personal prefernce. Very good battle.
Teotoko vs. Eriror:
Teo: I love your combos, you continue to improve and explore linkages. The one thing I didn't like was the smoothness, there were a few choppy parts.
EK: Best combo I've seen you do in a while. IF you could've pull off combos like this earlier you could have won. Very nice work, I'm glad to see you compete with the best again.
I'll do last battle when I get home.
Great work and nice tournament, I'm interested to see results!
Also where was baaron in this tournament?? 0.o -
Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 19:52:20QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 25 2010, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>eriror fav combo of the tournament for sure the stuck ending is appealing for some reason
Hard for me to pick a favorite but I also thought how the pen got stuck looked really interesting. It also builds up tension for the finisher. -
Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 22:45:12QUOTE (Kirby @ Apr 25 2010, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Also where was baaron in this tournament?? 0.o
obviously not in
Main bracket:
1 vicgotgame vs 6 Pen Ninja
vic won this one in my heart. I liked penja's stuff like the 2p1h stuff and all his material, but his combo started dragging. vic's combo was concise and continued to "wow" me, especially the new linkages. Also, penja was over the time limit :/
B bracket:
4 teotoko vs 8 Eriror
teo seemed to be really unfamiliar with his combo for some reason, especially the middle part. It just sent those vibes :/ Eriror's combo felt more consistent and solid overall, and very appealing too
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Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 00:30:10
eriror's combo is over time by about 2 seconds
so in theory teotoko wins by default
we will still judge though just to see what happens -
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 00:51:38QUOTE (Zombo @ Apr 25 2010, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>eriror's combo is over time by about 2 seconds
so in theory teotoko wins by default
we will still judge though just to see what happens
on that note, so is Penja's ... does that give vic the auto win? -
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 01:30:43
hmm well i guess it depends if vicgotgame cares or not
same for teotoko I guess -
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 01:43:58
I mean not that I care or anything, but I don't think it's good for an official tournament to leave it up to the other spinner ... if they say anything it just makes them look like a dick, it puts them in a terrible position ...
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Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 01:57:04QUOTE (strat1227 @ Apr 25 2010, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I mean not that I care or anything, but I don't think it's good for an official tournament to leave it up to the other spinner ... if they say anything it just makes them look like a dick, it puts them in a terrible position ...
well like it says in the first post, its actually more of a practice tournament for the WT11... the experience is more important than the rules, for sure.
but yes in theory vic and teotoko have already won
but judges still need to judge otherwise tis a waste of videos -
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 07:59:33
Nyah, true. Didn't even notice that. Good game, teotoko. XD
I hate time limits. >_> -
Date: Mon, Apr 26 2010 11:57:40
not to be picky but i thought i was over time limit to... but according to mystic in his comment on my round 2 vid
"You should be fine on time. There was a discussion during the WT '09 about going over the time limit and "clarified" that you can go THROUGH the 25th second. So you would be fine up to 25.99 and get penalized at 26 seconds."
so i checked my video with sony vegas and the length between the 1st push and the last catch is like 25.93 seconds or something >.>
:3
fuck loss by default i escaped ur wrath
also, thats not a pinky spread, it bounces off the other pen -
Date: Tue, Apr 27 2010 11:20:12
Not trying to screw with everyone overboard but I think in order to experience the full tournament, the time limit rule should be imposed. Say, next year when all you guys go for the WT and you forgot about the time limit again, wouldn't that be bad?
@Penja it really looked like a super strong pinky spread. -
Date: Wed, Apr 28 2010 13:02:06QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Apr 27 2010, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>@Penja it really looked like a super strong pinky spread.
look again ;D -
Date: Sat, May 1 2010 02:31:52QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Apr 27 2010, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not trying to screw with everyone overboard but I think in order to experience the full tournament, the time limit rule should be imposed. Say, next year when all you guys go for the WT and you forgot about the time limit again, wouldn't that be bad?
Bad because you'ld have those beast at consistancy (Eriror, S777, Peem just to name a few) that could make a 1min combo of win which would be super hard for any other spinner. Not only that, but by having a limit we can make sure that everyone has an even amount of time to get their material across which basically forces the combo to be better. -
Date: Sat, May 1 2010 03:55:52
uh the main reason for me is because nobody wants to watch 1 minute combos, 25 secs is fine and some ppl can even make 25 seconds feel super long due to spam
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Date: Sun, May 2 2010 18:37:34
Results for round 4
1 vicgotgame vs 6 Pen Ninja
Spoiler:
4 teotoko vs 8 Eriror
Spoiler:
2 Mystic vs 7 Jamie Enns
Spoiler:
Final comments from a judge:
overall this tournament showed a lot of potential, that just needs some minor refining till it's WT- ready. I recommend everybody goes through the judging comments again, even if you weren't in the tourney. Although they don't always seem nice, all the judges have 2 goals; 1) to determine a winner
2) to help everybody improve.
don't forget that.
Spoiler: -
Date: Sun, May 2 2010 18:43:23
i told every1 ide lose 5-0 lol, no1 believed me
gg vic
well deserved -
Date: Sun, May 2 2010 19:20:58
Congrats to everyone!
VICGOTGAME IS THE SUPREME CHAMPION AND RULER OF UPSB -
Date: Sun, May 2 2010 22:32:29
Here are the banners, courtesy of Frip
put it in your signature if you want to. -
Date: Sun, May 2 2010 22:35:50
Congratz Vic =) Well deserved and good job to the other participants
Go Penja ^^ -
Date: Sun, May 2 2010 22:40:31
Congratulations Vic!
VICGOTGAME IS THE SUPREME CHAMPION AND RULER OF UPSB -
Date: Sun, May 2 2010 23:22:38QUOTE (Zombo @ May 2 2010, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Here are the banners, courtesy of Frip
Spoiler:
put it in your signature if you want to.
Was this picked because it is his backround color? Because generally Puke-ish green doesn't really seem like a winner color XD
Vic=
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Date: Sun, May 2 2010 23:24:42QUOTE (Kirby @ May 2 2010, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Was this picked because it is his backround color? Because generally Puke-ish green doesn't really seem like a winner color XD
Vic=
it's supposed to be gold o_O I don't see any green there lol
//e
if u want different color just say so k
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Date: Sun, May 2 2010 23:45:41QUOTE (Zombo @ May 2 2010, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Here are the banners, courtesy of Frip
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
put it in your signature if you want to.
Ahh I get it now gold=1st, silver=2nd.....But I wouldve used the yellow gold color in the second pic not the first, because it looks more green XD
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Date: Mon, May 3 2010 04:43:50
CONGRATS VIC!!! WELL DESERVED WIN!!! BRING THE WT CROWN TO UPSB NEXT YEAR OKAY?!!
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Date: Mon, May 3 2010 14:44:26QUOTE (Frip @ May 2 2010, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it's supposed to be gold o_O I don't see any green there lol
//e
Spoiler:
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if u want different color just say so k
I think it'd be cool if they said like "top 8" or whatever on it, participant kinda sounds lame, I used to get that in 3rd grade for my science fair projects lmao, and they weren't worth bragging over -
Date: Wed, May 5 2010 06:53:05
of course vic would win.. duh.
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Date: Wed, May 5 2010 12:31:40
Just wondering will this tourny be an anual thing or once every year?
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Date: Fri, May 7 2010 04:36:22
Congraz Vic!
Great job too Pen Ninja -
Date: Fri, May 7 2010 05:11:39QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ May 5 2010, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just wondering will this tourny be an anual thing or once every year?
I'm not really sure but you could probably send Zombo a PM or something and ask him how often this is going to be going on. and Great job to all the participants this has really forced you guys to think of new stuff and I just think this is a great opportunity for many advanced level spinners in UPSB. Congratz to Vic and all other participants. You guys have really showed up what UPSB has got. -
Date: Fri, May 7 2010 15:47:32QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ May 5 2010, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just wondering will this tourny be an anual thing or once every year?
annual and once every year means the same thing
its tough to find a good date
summer = ppl on vacation
spring = usually theres WT/WC, this year was exception
winter = exams
so the possibility is fall, but i dont like making a tournament right before WT/WC because the participants will be tired when the real competition begins.
the only possibility is Spring even with WC/WT, then it means the participants of UPSB tournament will probably not be the top spinners who are already in WC/WT -
Date: Fri, May 7 2010 21:42:28
Let's not forget that Eriror basically beat Vicgotgame earlier in the tournament...l
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Date: Fri, May 7 2010 23:12:06QUOTE (Mats @ May 7 2010, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Let's not forget that Eriror basically beat Vicgotgame earlier in the tournament...l
Then how did i end up winning...
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Date: Fri, May 7 2010 23:40:03
he's just jealous
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Date: Sat, May 8 2010 00:46:43QUOTE (vicgotgame @ May 7 2010, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Then how did i end up winning...
lol. I'm guessing mats didn't keep up with the tournament nor read this topic nor read the first post nor saw your signature.
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Date: Sat, May 8 2010 09:32:15QUOTE (Look Into the Sun @ May 8 2010, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol. I'm guessing mats didn't keep up with the tournament nor read this topic nor read the first post nor saw your signature.
I don't think it's any of those. You need to get to learn Mats better. He already knew Vic won, but read this other post in this topic.
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Date: Sat, May 8 2010 10:05:52QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ May 8 2010, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't think it's any of those. You need to get to learn Mats better. He already knew Vic won, but read this other post in this topic.
I'd rather not and I don't know Mats as he isn't an active poster here.
Read what other post? -
Date: Sat, May 8 2010 11:05:45QUOTE (Mats @ Mar 21 2010, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Vic vs Eriror, awesome. Two great combos. Eriror takes it for me though.
That. -
Date: Sun, May 9 2010 02:18:47QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ May 8 2010, 03:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>That.
My bad -
Date: Sun, May 9 2010 03:41:58
Congrats Vic
I thought this tournament was really great! -
Date: Thu, May 20 2010 15:32:58QUOTE (Zombo @ May 7 2010, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>annual and once every year means the same thing
its tough to find a good date
summer = ppl on vacation
spring = usually theres WT/WC, this year was exception
winter = exams
so the possibility is fall, but i dont like making a tournament right before WT/WC because the participants will be tired when the real competition begins.
the only possibility is Spring even with WC/WT, then it means the participants of UPSB tournament will probably not be the top spinners who are already in WC/WT
Perhaps you could have the tourny next year for those who didn't or couldn't make it to the WT during the same time frame?
