UPSB v3
Off-topic / Stealing pens
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 19:19:40
What do you think the ethics of this are?
What if someone leaves a pen behind, do you return it?
Could you make more use of it than a non-penspinner?
What about stealing from fellow spinners vs stealing from non spinners?
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 20:00:22
of course, referring to the bible
"thou shall not steal"
it's completely wrong to do. taking someone else's possessions as your own is just not right.
What makes it worse is for our purpose. We take pens to destroy and discard, while others might need that one pen to write their essay due in a few hours or somethin.
But of course, personally, if i found a pen, i'd probably take it
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 20:06:41
I think there's a thread on this already.
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 20:21:33
if it's a random pen on the ground, i would take it. if i know who that pen belongs to i would return it. i would never steal from a pen spinner. i would never steal mods, but if i find them on the ground, and i have like totally no idea who it belongs to, ill probably take it. i shoplift sometimes. ( like last month, i went to office depot for electrical tape, they do sell it, but only in bulk. i didn't want to spend 7 dollars on 6 tapes when i only need one, so i open the box and took one.) =(
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 20:22:45QUOTE (VendettaBF @ Jan 2 2010, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if it's a random pen on the ground, i would take it. if i know who that pen belongs to i would return it. i would never steal from a pen spinner. i would never steal mods, but if i find them on the ground, and i have like totally no idea who it belongs to, ill probably take it. i shoplift sometimes. ( like last month, i went to office depot for electrical tape, they do sell it, but only in bulk. i didn't want to spend 7 dollars on 6 tapes when i only need one, so i open the box and took one.) =(
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 20:33:05
what is that suppose to mean?
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 22:42:51
i always steal pens/markers from stores. like if i see a pen that could be used in modding or a marker, (especially markers) ill go around lookign for cameras, then ill aproach if its clear, ill just slip one of the end ones out of the packets and put it in my pocket very fast and slight doubt any1 even cameras see it.
if i do like it and find it usefull, which i often do, i go back to the store and take the packet i did take one from
also if i see pens laying on the ground i take them, ive stolen like 2 pens from people in class like rsvps haha but they wer almost out of ink anyways
and in stores or places like the cruise i was in last week in the room cleaning carts thers cool royal carribean pens, when i got home i had 10
dont hate on me cause im not azn and i dont dont steal
plus you cant get in any real big trouble if its less than 20 buks especially for 1 marker or pen -
Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 03:23:57
If I see a pen that I need/want and another person has it, I'll usually offer to buy it, Like I bought a jedo for 75 cents of a girl.
But I think we've all stolen some pens before
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Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 03:35:17QUOTE (Nation @ Jan 2 2010, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If I see a pen that I need/want and another person has it, I'll usually offer to buy it, Like I bought a jedo for 75 cents of a girl.
But I think we've all stolen some pens before
haha true, if i see pens i want from my friends ill offer to buy them like a dollar or 2 if i rly rly want it, and theyr like wtf? free soda, kay here you go, buk please -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 07:40:21
in common life, stealing is wrong both ethically and legally. there is no doubt about it.
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 11:09:56QUOTE (neix @ Jan 2 2010, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i always steal pens/markers from stores. like if i see a pen that could be used in modding or a marker, (especially markers) ill go around lookign for cameras, then ill aproach if its clear, ill just slip one of the end ones out of the packets and put it in my pocket very fast and slight doubt any1 even cameras see it.
if i do like it and find it usefull, which i often do, i go back to the store and take the packet i did take one from
also if i see pens laying on the ground i take them, ive stolen like 2 pens from people in class like rsvps haha but they wer almost out of ink anyways
and in stores or places like the cruise i was in last week in the room cleaning carts thers cool royal carribean pens, when i got home i had 10
dont hate on me cause im not azn and i dont dont steal
plus you cant get in any real big trouble if its less than 20 buks especially for 1 marker or pen
What the eff? Do you even have morals? Are you desperate for markers and pens to the point where you would steal them? (multiple times too) -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 15:14:04QUOTE (neix @ Jan 2 2010, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i always steal pens/markers from stores. like if i see a pen that could be used in modding or a marker, (especially markers) ill go around lookign for cameras, then ill aproach if its clear, ill just slip one of the end ones out of the packets and put it in my pocket very fast and slight doubt any1 even cameras see it.
if i do like it and find it usefull, which i often do, i go back to the store and take the packet i did take one from
also if i see pens laying on the ground i take them, ive stolen like 2 pens from people in class like rsvps haha but they wer almost out of ink anyways
and in stores or places like the cruise i was in last week in the room cleaning carts thers cool royal carribean pens, when i got home i had 10
dont hate on me cause im not azn and i dont dont steal
plus you cant get in any real big trouble if its less than 20 buks especially for 1 marker or pen
You always steal, you say.
Then later you say "don't hate on me cause im not azn and i dont dont steal"
Contradictory much?
You can be arrested for stealing a marker or a pen. Or a candy bar.
Theft is theft, regardless of the value or price of the object. -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 15:39:17
morally it is wrong. But I think taking a signo from borders (I have done a few times) isn't going to impact them, they lose the 1$ they pay for em I gain the 1.50 they would cost. I know its wrong but depending on the situation its not that big of a deal.
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 15:49:10QUOTE (Kirby @ Jan 4 2010, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>morally it is wrong. But I think taking a signo from borders (I have done a few times) isn't going to impact them, they lose the 1$ they pay for em I gain the 1.50 they would cost. I know its wrong but depending on the situation its not that big of a deal.
Just don't get caught.
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 16:26:09
It doesn't really matter if its 1$ or 200$ . stealing is stealing. I guess one would think of it as not a big deal until sometimes steals from you. Most stores unless you take a lot will charge you civil fees (50-500$) but no police involvement will be involved unless you really messed stuff up. Still wrong though.
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 17:15:11
Even if security cameras catch you, there not gonna have someone go back over all the footage, then track me down and fine me all over stealin a signo or 2
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 17:15:37
But none of us can still from penwish.. right??
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 17:18:42QUOTE (Glamouraz @ Jan 4 2010, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>But none of us can still from penwish.. right??
unless we track his address, go to his house, and mugg his thousands of dollars in pen and mods...then no -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 18:07:57QUOTE (Penwish @ Jan 4 2010, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It doesn't really matter if its 1$ or 200$ . stealing is stealing. I guess one would think of it as not a big deal until sometimes steals from you. Most stores unless you take a lot will charge you civil fees (50-500$) but no police involvement will be involved unless you really messed stuff up. Still wrong though.
Lol you have no reason to steal pens. You have so many
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 18:19:42QUOTE (Raine @ Jan 4 2010, 07:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just don't get caught.
It's not about not getting caught.
Stealing is just wrong. Period. Just buy the damn pen for however much. Seriously.
What if someone stole your pens and said "I didn't do anything wrong because I didn't get caught"QUOTE (Nation @ Jan 4 2010, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Lol you have no reason to steal pens. You have so many
Just because one has few to no pens doesn't justify one's act of stealing. -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 19:18:11QUOTE (SJ @ Jan 4 2010, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's not about not getting caught.
Stealing is just wrong. Period. Just buy the damn pen for however much. Seriously.
What if someone stole your pens and said "I didn't do anything wrong because I didn't get caught"
Just because one has few to no pens doesn't justify one's act of stealing.
Read my other post. -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 19:28:14QUOTE (SJ @ Jan 4 2010, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's not about not getting caught.
Stealing is just wrong. Period. Just buy the damn pen for however much. Seriously.
What if someone stole your pens and said "I didn't do anything wrong because I didn't get caught"
Just because one has few to no pens doesn't justify one's act of stealing.
I didn't say it did justify it. -
Date: Tue, Jan 5 2010 00:11:47QUOTE (Raine @ Jan 4 2010, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Read my other post.
oops my bad
didnt see it lolQUOTE (Nation @ Jan 4 2010, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I didn't say it did justify it.
You're implying it at the very least. -
Date: Tue, Jan 5 2010 00:19:54
to me if some person i do'nt know leaves a pen I keep it and say YES!!!!! and if a frien loses it I say hey you forgot your pen and here it is.
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Date: Tue, Jan 5 2010 02:20:05
Stealing is a crime. Even if you steal a single pen or a giant television, you will still face punishment if you get caught. Just don't steal. How hard can that be?
I mean, people on this forum complain all the time about being scammed out of their pens, yet they're still "just pens." "Oh I only took a few Signos from the store, they can pay for it." What makes stealing from a store any different from scamming another spinner? You're cheating the person out of their stuff in both cases. People here are so sensitive to scamming, but don't care about stealing? Where is the consistency here? -
Date: Tue, Jan 5 2010 11:28:48QUOTE (Loanshark @ Jan 4 2010, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Stealing is a crime. Even if you steal a single pen or a giant television, you will still face punishment if you get caught. Just don't steal. How hard can that be?
I mean, people on this forum complain all the time about being scammed out of their pens, yet they're still "just pens." "Oh I only took a few Signos from the store, they can pay for it." What makes stealing from a store any different from scamming another spinner? You're cheating the person out of their stuff in both cases. People here are so sensitive to scamming, but don't care about stealing? Where is the consistency here?
People do it though.
Even if its just a few Signos then people will still take it.
But there is a difference between taking a pen from a friend when you asked him. that is NOT stealing.
For the most part, i get some free pens like profiles or RSVPs when my friend has run out of ink. -
Date: Tue, Jan 5 2010 23:35:28
hmm, i dont think i have ever used all the ink from a pen before. usually lose it before i do.
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Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 02:20:19
never stolen a pen. it damages ur moral structure. IMO anyone who has stolen a pen for whatever reason has no morals in the PSing world
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Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 02:27:17
im not stupid i know how to steal, i wud never get caught
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Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 02:31:05
Those who have shoplifted or whatever, let me ask you this. Penwish opens a store right next to your house, and you walk in and there's a pile of comssa caps on the table. *KNOWING* with certainty that he's in the back, and there're no cameras or anything, and that there's 0% chance that you'd get caught, would you take one?
I'm not going to wait for a response, it's a hypothetical so just think about it to yourself.
If you answer yes, then you should GTFO of UPSB, because you have no respect for the community and are willing to deteriorate it for your own gain.
If you answer no, you're a hypocrite. Stealing from Penwish's store is no different from stealing from your local store, except that you actually know/have a relationship with the person you're stealing from.
The moral of the story is, if you're stealing from anywhere, you're deteriorating whatever community you happen to be in, and you're a drain on society. -
Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 02:40:57QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jan 5 2010, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Those who have shoplifted or whatever, let me ask you this. Penwish opens a store right next to your house, and you walk in and there's a pile of comssa caps on the table. *KNOWING* with certainty that he's in the back, and there're no cameras or anything, and that there's 0% chance that you'd get caught, would you take one?
I'm not going to wait for a response, it's a hypothetical so just think about it to yourself.
If you answer yes, then you should GTFO of UPSB, because you have no respect for the community and are willing to deteriorate it for your own gain.
If you answer no, you're a hypocrite. Stealing from Penwish's store is no different from stealing from your local store, except that you actually know/have a relationship with the person you're stealing from.
The moral of the story is, if you're stealing from anywhere, you're deteriorating whatever community you happen to be in, and you're a drain on society.
Very good point and I would say "NO I wouldn't steal them" because its Penwish. He is super nice and friendly.so why steal from a friend. and say with the borders how do I know the manager or whoever isnt super friendly either and how do I know that it wouldn't affect. THis really made me think.
No more stolen signo tips from borders
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Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 02:43:32
I find stealing from a huge corporation a lesser evil than stealing from that small family-run business down the street. Is stealing from the huge corporation also wrong? Of course.
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Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 02:44:39QUOTE (AwonW @ Jan 5 2010, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I find stealing from a huge corporation a lesser evil than stealing from that small family-run business down the street. Is stealing from the first wrong? Of course.
Lol moral relativity huh? That's a slippery slope ... -
Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 02:44:51
guys remember to never pay with credit card if you stole something small and are buying something else
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Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 02:47:17QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jan 5 2010, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Lol moral relativity huh? That's a slippery slope ...
Do you not agree? If you had to steal from one, would you have a preference as to which you stole from? -
Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 02:49:23QUOTE (AwonW @ Jan 5 2010, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Do you not agree? If you had to steal from one, would you have a preference as to which you stole from?
I wouldn't have to steal from one. Nobody can force you do to something you know to be wrong. -
Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 02:52:33QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jan 5 2010, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I wouldn't have to steal from one. Nobody can force you do to something you know to be wrong.
Well what if someone else was the thief? :[ I wasn't going for the most realistic situation
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Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 02:54:17QUOTE (AwonW @ Jan 5 2010, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Well what if someone else was the thief? :[ I wasn't going for the most realistic situation
haha, sorry, it's in the philosophy section, it's hard for me to not draw back to my roots in the study of morals and ethics. I'm a physicist, but I <3 moralsðics as a subject -
Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 02:54:20
hmm i wouldnt steal from a penspinner, so i guess i wouldnt steal from penwish. i dont know about other ppl but i dont steal often. unless u consider torrenting. then yeh i steal quite alot.... shit i feel bad now.
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Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 03:08:20QUOTE (neix @ Jan 5 2010, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im not stupid i know how to steal, i wud never get caughtQUOTE (neix @ Jan 5 2010, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>guys remember to never pay with credit card if you stole something small and are buying something else
ok you can stop posting now mr i-am-so-proud-to-be-a-pen-stealer-that-i-like-giving-tips-on-how-to-steal -
Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 03:09:30
uhm i did stop
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Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 06:22:26
Stealing is bad, but it's very tempting lol
I don't steal, but I keep pens I find on the floor, but that was before I knew anything about pen spinning -
Date: Wed, Jan 6 2010 20:49:57QUOTE (Rayrey @ Jan 6 2010, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Stealing is bad, but it's very tempting lol
I don't steal, but I keep pens I find on the floor, but that was before I knew anything about pen spinning
Similar story with me. :I -
Date: Thu, Jan 7 2010 01:10:25
Its funny how he brags about stealing pens, he obviously has neverr had any1 steal anything from him.
If you think about all the things people have done at your expense and then u think about how many times you've done those same things to others youll be pretty surprised how insensitive we are to other people -
Date: Thu, Jan 7 2010 04:50:14
Yeah, stealing is bad. I've never stolen something from a store before. I've always been like.... I'm going to take it and run! but that never happens. i never get the guts to do it and i just don't want to because its bad. Otherwise i pick random BICs on the hallway floor from time to time.
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Date: Thu, Jan 7 2010 08:40:37
Never actually read what other people posted, but here's my two cents about the topic:
Stealing is obviously illegal and morally wrong, but let's face reality: people steal. neix is just being honest.
I'm not defending him and his actions but his post was more honest than that of others here. -
Date: Thu, Jan 7 2010 08:55:12
This isn't about arguing if the general society's morals are good or bad, this is about your own personal morals, unless you're assuming that everyone here who flamed neix is a hypocrite.
In my opinion though, there really isn't an "urge" to steal pens, be happy with what you have. -
Date: Thu, Jan 7 2010 18:22:38
actually i think people do have urges to steal pens
if they dont have them or they want them, they might feel that they may want to take
its just if they give in or deny the urge to steal -
Date: Thu, Jan 7 2010 18:36:53
If I see a pen that I can use to mod etc, I will take it. But I haven't gotten to the part where I shoplift stuff. Usually non-PSers at school leave their most used pens in a little pouch or pocket etc on the outside of their backpack. If I see a G2 or some other pen i will usually take it. But I go for the more expensive pens (G2s etc.)
I usually leave Bics and other ballpoint pens there, mainly just go for the G2s..
EDIT: Yeah I
G2s. -
Date: Thu, Jan 7 2010 19:44:26QUOTE (CaptainGolfBall @ Jan 7 2010, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If I see a pen that I can use to mod etc, I will take it. But I haven't gotten to the part where I shoplift stuff. Usually non-PSers at school leave their most used pens in a little pouch or pocket etc on the outside of their backpack. If I see a G2 or some other pen i will usually take it. But I go for the more expensive pens (G2s etc.)
I usually leave Bics and other ballpoint pens there, mainly just go for the G2s..
EDIT: Yeah I G2s.
So if I want a G2 i can steal it from you because I love them so much, maybe I should steal ur dr grips because I go for expensive pens.
Let me scam u in the trading buying section, then we might see a normal ethical response.
P.S. If there were two of you............. -
Date: Thu, Jan 7 2010 22:13:21QUOTE (Rayrey @ Jan 7 2010, 03:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Never actually read what other people posted, but here's my two cents about the topic:
Stealing is obviously illegal and morally wrong, but let's face reality: people steal. neix is just being honest.
I'm not defending him and his actions but his post was more honest than that of others here.
If you don't read others' posts, what on Earth gives you the impression that anyone gives a shit abou what you have to say? -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 00:19:37QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jan 7 2010, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If you don't read others' posts, what on Earth gives you the impression that anyone gives a shit abou what you have to say?
Not to be rude but (I think) shes talking about about the topic of neix stealing, unless she read his post about stealing how could she know he stole. -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 01:00:41
First off, somewhat of a misleading title. I thought this topic would be about pens being stolen from YOU. Instead I get tips from neix on how to steal.
Second of all, I completely agree with everyone else. Stealing is wrong. It doesn't matter if it's a new Cadillac or a Push Pop; the punishment is all the same. Plus, you get to enjoy the wondrous feeling of guilt eating you alive while you keep that a secret from your parents, or whoever you live with. The moral is just that in the end, is it worth saving $2 or so dollars just to end up a nervous wreck? I doesn't even matter if you DON'T turn into a nervous wreck, there is still this:QUOTE***You shall not steal***
This is the 8th commandment for all you Christians. -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 01:13:29QUOTE (Ricercar @ Jan 7 2010, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>First off, somewhat of a misleading title. I thought this topic would be about pens being stolen from YOU. Instead I get tips from neix on how to steal.
I get the sarcasm, but you can also discuss pens being stolen from you... the thread is merely about stealing pens, and with a few starting questions in the first post. -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 02:02:01QUOTE (Ricercar @ Jan 7 2010, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>First off, somewhat of a misleading title. I thought this topic would be about pens being stolen from YOU. Instead I get tips from neix on how to steal.
Second of all, I completely agree with everyone else. Stealing is wrong. It doesn't matter if it's a new Cadillac or a Push Pop; the punishment is all the same. Plus, you get to enjoy the wondrous feeling of guilt eating you alive while you keep that a secret from your parents, or whoever you live with. The moral is just that in the end, is it worth saving $2 or so dollars just to end up a nervous wreck? I doesn't even matter if you DON'T turn into a nervous wreck, there is still this:
This is the 8th commandment for all you Christians.
the punishment for stealing a car and a candy is different, one is GTA which u can go to jail/prison and the other u either have to pay for what u stole, or they take u to court and then they make u pay/go to jail(shorter time than GTA).
"Plus, you get to enjoy the wondrous feeling of guilt eating you alive while you keep that a secret from your parents, or whoever you live with."
im disturbed by this because u said that it's "wondrous" and u get to "enjoy" it , but it's also eatting u alive... not sure if u meant that u can enjoy the feeling sorta like an adrenaline rush-ish when u do something bad, or sarcasm
"The moral is just that in the end, is it worth saving $2 or so dollars just to end up a nervous wreck? I doesn't even matter if you DON'T turn into a nervous wreck, there is still this:
This is the 8th commandment for all you Christians."
Im not a christian, and i dont turn into a nervous reck when i've stolen something. what's the option do i have now? -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 02:09:39
go to jail and work at mcdonalds for the rest of your life. Stealing has no justification.
Also, it's sarcasm. Maybe this thread should be closed, there's a lot of flaming going on... -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 02:50:52
Ricercar, there's a reason I stayed out of this thread for a while. I don't think this calls for a closing I think it calls for a brief overview...
Where you see how many people differ in values. Part of life and trust is trusting other people hold the same values that you do, aka cashier isnt going to steal your wallet and you're not gonna mug the cashier, even though the money is "right there"
I also believe most, if not everybody goes through a change in there life in which they realize things like this are wrong, sure it also depends on "how you are raised" and such, but many people really don't get it until a certain point.
I know a year ago I would've stolen and not have thunk twice (not true, I do feel extremely even after stealing (taking) any small thing).
Now I avoid it all together under any circumstances.
I DO think stealing is acceptable however when it involves life or death.
I am starving, you have more than enough food, I would take some food for myself. (provided there is no other way to get food) If we were both starving and you found some food however, I would look for my own.
You see this "split" in maturity a lot more in this thread too... Hopefully those of us who haven't just realized it's wrong will realize one day 
I also have another question to bring up....
Stealing from a stealer and giving away the money? -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 02:59:28QUOTE (EssenceOfLife @ Jan 7 2010, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ricercar, there's a reason I stayed out of this thread for a while. I don't think this calls for a closing I think it calls for a brief overview...
Where you see how many people differ in values. Part of life and trust is trusting other people hold the same values that you do, aka cashier isnt going to steal your wallet and you're not gonna mug the cashier, even though the money is "right there"
I also believe most, if not everybody goes through a change in there life in which they realize things like this are wrong, sure it also depends on "how you are raised" and such, but many people really don't get it until a certain point.
I know a year ago I would've stolen and not have thunk twice (not true, I do feel extremely even after stealing (taking) any small thing).
Now I avoid it all together under any circumstances.
I DO think stealing is acceptable however when it involves life or death.
I am starving, you have more than enough food, I would take some food for myself. (provided there is no other way to get food) If we were both starving and you found some food however, I would look for my own.
You see this "split" in maturity a lot more in this thread too... Hopefully those of us who haven't just realized it's wrong will realize one day
I also have another question to bring up....
Stealing from a stealer and giving away the money?
yup definitely. 2 wrongs make a right its makes you feel good to know that u avenged someone and double gud to see the look on the thiefs face when the favour is returned to him/her
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 03:00:02QUOTE (EssenceOfLife @ Jan 7 2010, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Stealing from a stealer and giving away the money?
= hypocrite. Reciprocal punishment hasn't been used since Hammorabi, it's absurd. Crime -> Punishment, not Crime -> more Crime
EDIT: and the post above me is the perfect example. Clearly thinking out of selfish vengance instead of objective logic.
Taking yourself out of the situation, would anyone want to live in a society where anybody can do anything to get back at anybody? Of course not. They only want THEMSELVES to be able to do it. -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 03:12:44
i dont think this thread belongs in a PS section anymore...
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 03:18:16QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jan 7 2010, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If you don't read others' posts, what on Earth gives you the impression that anyone gives a shit abou what you have to say?
I was referring to my first post in the thread which was not directed to anyone or anything but the question the topic asked. I posted a second time after reading all of the posts by others. The second post was directed towards other people. Get it?
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 03:30:35QUOTE (Ricercar @ Jan 7 2010, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>go to jail and work at mcdonalds for the rest of your life. Stealing has no justification.
Also, it's sarcasm. Maybe this thread should be closed, there's a lot of flaming going on...
if i get caught for stealing a pen from a store ( i havent stolen a pen yet btw, cause their usually affordable), i would just pay for what i had tried to steal. if i pay for it, and they charge me for it, ill probably just get a record. which i dont think will make a total big deal cause i am only 15. i dont think my boss would panic for something that i did 15 years ago (when im 30).
McDonalds has great oppurtunities, u can work for corporate office, it isnt like McDonalds = lowlife cashier.
i never once defended stealing, never stated that stealing is just for any reasons. i've only been honest about what i did, yes i have stolen from stores. i'm not proud of it, but i'm not overly concerned that my actions made a big impact on anyone. i do know that stealing is stealing and it's wrong, and i'm pretty sure that i knew that when i decided that i was going to steal. i decided to steal despite of the burden of guilt that i would have at the end. (and it isnt like i steal all the time, i've stolen very few things most of which isnt really valuable)
also, hasnt everyone stolen something before in their life? like when u took a toy from some kid in the park. when u take a piece of grape at the grocery store to eat. (my mom does that xD)
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 03:58:49
ok basically theres 3 types of ppl in this thread:
1. stealing is always wrong no matter what
2. stealing is usually wrong, there's a line to draw, and stealing pens crosses that line.
3. stealing is usually wrong, there's a line to draw, and stealing pens does NOT cross that line.
for ppl in 1, it's impossible for ppl in 3 to argue with them because they think steal anything is wrong. most likely those ppl never downloaded any music/videos (unless they're hypocrites) and probably respects all other laws (driving limits)
for people in 2, it's easier for ppl in 3 to argue with them because they can explain why its crossing the line or not. -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 04:05:15
o yeah i forgot to mention about illegal torrenting in my prev post, yeah nvm i steal alot. planning to change that once i get a job and shiet, my parents wont give me pay for music especially when i want alot of them. kind of think that it's a big waste.
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 04:20:55QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 7 2010, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ok basically theres 3 types of ppl in this thread:
1. stealing is always wrong no matter what
2. stealing is usually wrong, there's a line to draw, and stealing pens crosses that line.
3. stealing is usually wrong, there's a line to draw, and stealing pens does NOT cross that line.
for ppl in 1, it's impossible for ppl in 3 to argue with them because they think steal anything is wrong. most likely those ppl never downloaded any music/videos (unless they're hypocrites) and probably respects all other laws (driving limits)
for people in 2, it's easier for ppl in 3 to argue with them because they can explain why its crossing the line or not.
Interesting analysis, but I don't feel like I fall into any of those. At least not in the sense of "right or wrong" morally.
I just said that people who steal are a drain on society, which is quantifiably true. Speeding I see no problem with, who gives a fuck.
Morals can't be argued IMO, people feel them inherently, aren't going to be changed. However, objective things can be argued. I'm arguing against stealing not morally, but objectively. -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 04:42:54QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jan 7 2010, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Interesting analysis, but I don't feel like I fall into any of those. At least not in the sense of "right or wrong" morally.
I just said that people who steal are a drain on society, which is quantifiably true. Speeding I see no problem with, who gives a fuck.
Morals can't be argued IMO, people feel them inherently, aren't going to be changed. However, objective things can be argued. I'm arguing against stealing not morally, but objectively.
you sound a lot like a Kantist, which tries to define morality based on objectivity and logic.
"a society cannot function if stealing is universal, therefore it is wrong"
and also
"The moral proposition A: "It is permissible to steal" would result in a contradiction in conceivability. The notion of stealing presupposes the existence of property, but were A universalized, then there could be no property, and so the proposition has logically negated itself." -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 04:45:54QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 7 2010, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>you sound a lot like a Kantist, which tries to define morality based on objectivity.
"a society cannot function if stealing is universal, therefore it is wrong"
So that's what its called, thats how I think about it, but I didn't know it could be classified into a school of reasoning like that.
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 05:00:14
Categorical Imperitive ftw.
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 10:52:55
When I find a pen/marker on the floor that can be used for a mod, I usually take it and if I know that my friend has one of those, I ask them first if it's their's or not. But I never stole from a shop before
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 11:22:06
yea i steal alot of pen. even i try to steal sakura ballsign from my teacher. it's quite rare in my country. i steal a lot of pen from my friends(non-spinner). and steal 2 bic round stic(it's discontinued in my country)
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 12:54:52QUOTE (sarugio @ Jan 8 2010, 06:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>yea i steal alot of pen. even i try to steal sakura ballsign from my teacher. it's quite rare in my country. i steal a lot of pen from my friends(non-spinner). and steal 2 bic round stic(it's discontinued in my country)
Wow I never heard of someone stealing pens from a teacher
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 18:38:42
I steal signo tips from the box xD
I feel bad though >< unless the person working there is a bitch to me xD -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 18:42:15
@strat1227
"I just said that people who steal are a drain on society, which is quantifiably true. Speeding I see no problem with, who gives a fuck."
Ever heard of umm......... what they called again...... CAR ACCIDENTS
Obviously u dont watch news or watch it trough a sheet of metal, the only car accident that doesn't involve speeding is a when some one in front of you stops suddenly
So yes I give a fuck if some one comes at me at 70 in a neighborhood street.
Hypocritical anyway, speeders use oil and emit more CO2 and steal our air quality
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 19:05:50
If I see a pen on the ground and there is no way to know who it belongs to then I take it. If it's an obvious mod, then it's worth more. That person probably took a while in building that mod, so I would take it to lost and found if there is one or ask around if it's a small place. If can't do those two then I'd leave it somewhere safe where the person can come back and hopefully see it, not on the ground like a table or something. Never steal, we don't need pens to save lives or feed people.
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 04:44:48
for media, what if your friend owns a CD but makes a back up of it. Then he lets you have it?
Its not the real thing but a back up.
Like how people around the world gives me backups of songs through internet. -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 04:54:12
I would keep a pen if i found it by its self. ANd tis lonely
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 14:07:52QUOTE (Pyroshima @ Jan 8 2010, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ever heard of umm......... what they called again...... CAR ACCIDENTS
Obviously u dont watch news or watch it trough a sheet of metal, the only car accident that doesn't involve speeding is a when some one in front of you stops suddenly
So yes I give a fuck if some one comes at me at 70 in a neighborhood street.
Because drunk driving doesn't involve cars, right?
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 14:11:04QUOTE (Erirornal Kraione @ Jan 9 2010, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Because drunk driving doesn't involve cars, right?
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 16:41:15
i would have to say that if i found a pen on the floor, and i didn't know who it belongs to, i would keep it. If i did know who belonged to, i would give it back.
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 16:42:21
i once stole a pen from my sister, because she i was mad at her.
but after a day, we stopped our fight, and i felt bad, so i put it back in her pencase.
i'll never steal a pen after that, because it feels bad if i'm spinning with it.
now i just ask her for pens that are out of ink!:)
and so i got 3 sakura JellyRoll's:)
BTW, if i'd find a pen, and don't know who it belongs to, i don't see it as steel. -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 17:28:08
When I find a pen on the ground, I ask around who's it is... If it's not anyone's, I keep it
If I found the owner, I give it back
I never steal pens from anyone...
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Date: Sun, Apr 25 2010 14:31:02
I personally HATE thieves, be it stealing one pen or multiple, it's just really wrong, and its also against the law, meaning its a crime, and also against some religions. I have never, or ever will steal anything, or even be tempted to steal something.
When you're doing it, don't you feel bad? Even afterwards don't you feel bad? I know i would, the guilt i would imagine would stick to you. And those of you who don't, I can't imagine what state your conscience is in...
EVERYONE would hate it done to them. WHY DO IT TO OTHERS? They're making a living, like we will be doing in the future, if not already have a job, you can't just do that to them, what have they ever done to you?
Just pay for the item, don't just stoop down like that and make others angry/upset.
And also:QUOTEFirst off, somewhat of a misleading title. I thought this topic would be about pens being stolen from YOU. Instead I get tips from neix on how to steal.
Second of all, I completely agree with everyone else. Stealing is wrong. It doesn't matter if it's a new Cadillac or a Push Pop; the punishment is all the same. Plus, you get to enjoy the wondrous feeling of guilt eating you alive while you keep that a secret from your parents, or whoever you live with. The moral is just that in the end, is it worth saving $2 or so dollars just to end up a nervous wreck? I doesn't even matter if you DON'T turn into a nervous wreck, there is still this:
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***You shall not steal***
This is the 8th commandment for all you Christians.
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Date: Thu, Apr 29 2010 14:17:06
i just tell someone to buy me pens then ill pay for it, but i just steal and run... hes so stupid i got five packs of g2s razzle dazzles and flexgrips
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Date: Thu, Apr 29 2010 14:18:16
that emote has never been used so correctly
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Date: Thu, Apr 29 2010 23:20:26QUOTE (Kirby @ Jan 4 2010, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>morally it is wrong. But I think taking a signo from borders (I have done a few times) isn't going to impact them, they lose the 1$ they pay for em I gain the 1.50 they would cost. I know its wrong but depending on the situation its not that big of a deal.
When I started making mods i always steal pens from stores