UPSB v3
Fundamental Tricks / Thumbaround Reverse Thread
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Date: Sun, Jul 1 2007 02:16:08
Use this thread to discuss the ThumbAround reverse only. Harmonic and normal threads are sperate.
Basically this is the reverse motion of the thumb around, pushed by the index and caught in 12, 23, or 34 (usually).
Links:
UCPSB V2 Thread
Video Tutorial by Eso
TurtleSpin Article -
Date: Mon, Sep 10 2007 20:03:03
I seem to be pushing too hard and it always leaves my thumb lately. Anyone know of a good exercise to rectify the overspin?
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Date: Mon, Sep 10 2007 20:26:58QUOTE (cyber penguin @ Sep 10 2007, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I seem to be pushing too hard and it always leaves my thumb lately. Anyone know of a good exercise to rectify the overspin?
Are you gripping the pen very hard? TA Rev doesn't require too much force. It seems like you are too tense up when executing the trick. -
Date: Mon, Sep 10 2007 20:27:50
Try repositioning the pen, if you find the perfect position, it'll go around regardless of push. Then work from that. Weird method, but it got me going,
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Date: Mon, Sep 10 2007 20:57:46
I agree with UED. But make sure you sort of tap, or push on the COG. That's what I do anyway.
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Date: Mon, Sep 10 2007 22:28:51
I'll just add in that I believe it was easier to learn Thumbaround Reverse with the pen being parallel to the ground. This way, the pen isn't falling straight down for the second half of the trick and is easier to catch.
For the push, try to keep the Index finger in contact for as long as possible. The longer you can push with the Index, the easier it will be to move then pen. You will need less force if the push is longer. -
Date: Mon, Sep 10 2007 23:06:04
What part of the thumb should the pen be spinning on? When I attempt to do it, it kind of spins on top of my index finger
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Date: Mon, Sep 10 2007 23:13:10QUOTE (Chungy @ Sep 10 2007, 06:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What part of the thumb should the pen be spinning on? When I attempt to do it, it kind of spins on top of my index finger
also the turtlespin link is broken
Lower phalanx of the thumb, just like ThumbAround. -
Date: Mon, Sep 10 2007 23:25:44
I dont know if this helps any but I have an old TA rev tut.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpXdE7bhf7I -
Date: Tue, Sep 11 2007 03:05:42
I can do this trick every once in a while but I'm having a problem I can't seem to solve. Most times when I try this the bottom bone on the top of my thumb gets in the way of the pen and usually messes up the spin.
The part of my thumb that screws up the trick nearly every time is right here...
Like I said it doesn't always hit the bone and I can sometimes land it but more times than not it hits that bone and messes everything up.
Any suggestions?
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Date: Tue, Sep 11 2007 03:47:40
When performing a Thumbaround Reverse, the Thumb should be quite straight:
With the pen roughly parallel to the ground, and a horizontal push from the Index finger, the pen should rotate horizontally around the middle of the Thumb:
You catch the pen simply by pinching it between the Thumb and Middle finger:
The last photo has the fingers catching the pen a bit early, this is a good spot to use the Middle finger to quickly push the pen back around for continuous Thumbaround Harmonics. -
Date: Tue, Sep 11 2007 06:27:02QUOTE (AJ861 @ Sep 10 2007, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can do this trick every once in a while but I'm having a problem I can't seem to solve. Most times when I try this the bottom bone on the top of my thumb gets in the way of the pen and usually messes up the spin.
The part of my thumb that screws up the trick nearly every time is right here...
Like I said it doesn't always hit the bone and I can sometimes land it but more times than not it hits that bone and messes everything up.
Any suggestions?
This only happens if my thumb is too high. try keeping your thumb almost flat. -
Date: Tue, Sep 11 2007 08:39:42
Sketching those pics look more like someone doing a Thumbaround with Index push. Why is it that in the second pic the index finger is undeer the thumb? Shouldn't it be over it?
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Date: Tue, Sep 11 2007 08:56:04QUOTE (Viend @ Sep 11 2007, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sketching those pics look more like someone doing a Thumbaround with Index push. Why is it that in the second pic the index finger is undeer the thumb? Shouldn't it be over it?
No quickly after pushing you put your index underneath for the catch. -
Date: Tue, Sep 11 2007 09:01:39QUOTE (Tim @ Sep 11 2007, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No quickly after pushing you put your index underneath for the catch.
Ah alright, cause I always used to catch with T2. -
Date: Tue, Sep 11 2007 12:08:25QUOTE (Viend @ Sep 11 2007, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ah alright, cause I always used to catch with T2.
Yeh I'm pretty sure that it's meant to be caught in t1 or 12. But that wouldn't matter too much because with harmonic you can do it with whatever finger you feel like. Like I do the ta push with 3 and my rev push with 1 (and sometimes if I feel like it, 2). If you caught it in T2 then you could easily push it back with 2. I do it with 3 though so that don't have to move my middle finger at all.
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Date: Wed, Sep 12 2007 01:26:37
Sorry for the late reply. In the second photo, my Index finger is curled up and behind the Thumb, so you can't see it. It is curled from the push and is now out of the way. Normally, I would catch the pen with the Middle finger (look at the 3rd photo), which can be seen directly below the Thumb in the second photo.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 01:16:24
I can't seem to get it right... I followed the TA Rev instructions, I can spin it around but I cant seem to do the "catching" part. Help please? - Yes, I can do the TA if that helps.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 01:31:31
Where is the pen when you finish the rotation? Is it between the Thumb and Middle finger?
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 01:35:46
Er.. The pen just falls down, I succeeded 2 times and it ended up on the middle finger.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 01:36:08QUOTE (LearnerPS @ Sep 15 2007, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can't seem to get it right... I followed the TA Rev instructions, I can spin it around but I cant seem to do the "catching" part. Help please? - Yes, I can do the TA if that helps.
Sounds like your doing a fake reverse. The problem is your starting too low.
Hold the pen with the top of your pen, where your thumb print is. -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 01:38:19
Oh yea, I'm holding it as if I'm doing a TA but just using my index finger to push the pencil crayon the other way.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 01:39:44QUOTE (UnEmploymentDude @ Sep 15 2007, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sounds like your doing a fake reverse. The problem is your starting too low.
Hold the pen with the top of your pen, where your thumb print is.
Let's not bring more pens into this then is truly needed.
LearnerPS, if possible, I'd like to see a video what you are doing right now. If your Index finger is pushing on the COP of the pen, it should rotate around the Thumb (keep your Thumb still) just enough for you to pinch the pen between the Thumb and Middle finger. How far around your Thumb is the pen going? -
Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 01:42:08
Well, when I pushed on the COG it spins around my thumb... approximtly 1.5/2 times then falls. (Sorry I can't give you a vid on it because my labtop doesn't have a cam and my desktop/cam is getting repaired)
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Date: Sun, Sep 16 2007 01:49:00
As unhelpful as my advice will seem it just looks as if you need more practice to get the pen to spin around your thumb instead of on top of it....
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 00:11:58
Alright, I got the spin and the the positioning down, but now I"m stuck on how to catch it with my middle and thumb. Help please?
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Date: Mon, Sep 17 2007 00:24:24
Um, how you catch it depends on what trick you want to follow up with. Are you working on TA harmonic or did you want to do a sonic after the rev TA? But since you said you want to catch it with your thumb and middle finger i'll assume your working on TA harmonic....in which case you'll want to catch the pen in almost the same position as what you started the TA in.
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Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 00:43:49
After more practice it finally just clicked.
No more pen hitting the bone of my thumb. Practice makes perfect. Thanks guys. -
Date: Tue, Sep 18 2007 03:43:53
Any tips on how to get the TA reverse to land back to where it started?
For me, when I do that, I either have to move my thumb and it'll land or have it land in my middle finger for TA harmonic.
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Date: Thu, Sep 27 2007 17:25:07QUOTE (Flashy and Quota @ Sep 18 2007, 04:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Any tips on how to get the TA reverse to land back to where it started?
For me, when I do that, I either have to move my thumb and it'll land or have it land in my middle finger for TA harmonic.
not exactly sure what you mean but you can vary at which point on the pen you catch a TA or TArev by the angle the pen spins around the thumb.
basically if you spin the pen perpendicular to the thumb it comes into contact with less of your thumb and you catch the pen nearer the COP. if you angle it round so the pen spins nearer the TF it comes into contact with more of your thumb and the catch is nearer the end of your pen.
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Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 01:45:10
When I try to do this trick, my index finger pushes the pen, but the pen just runs into the side of my thumb, and doesn't go over. I can push it with alot of force, but it will just not go over my thumb, just hits the side of my thumb and stops. Any ideas?
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Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 11:05:12
How doesone do continuous TA reverse? i'm having big problems with it... the pen ddoesn't seem to be able to go where it's supposed to in order to do it again..
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Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 11:57:40QUOTE (xar3si @ Sep 28 2007, 02:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can push it with alot of force, but it will just not go over my thumb, just hits the side of my thumb and stops. Any ideas?
i've been trying to make the pen hit the side of my thumb to see what your problem might be and i can't see how this is happening. i can only imagine that you must be holding the pen in a slightly odd way at the start of the trick. i would suggest you find a good video on youtube etc and watch for the starting position and also watch what that spinner does with their index. quite often it's a sort of scratching motion along the pen, not a tap. this follows through on the push giving the pen momentum to go round the thumb -
Date: Fri, Sep 28 2007 21:11:07QUOTE (xar3si @ Sep 27 2007, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When I try to do this trick, my index finger pushes the pen, but the pen just runs into the side of my thumb, and doesn't go over. I can push it with alot of force, but it will just not go over my thumb, just hits the side of my thumb and stops. Any ideas?
i know what you mean, i had this problem when learning the ta reverse also. the problem is..im assuming your moving your thumb. watch your thumb very carefully when attempting this trick. if you do notice that it is moving (to the left if your a right handed spinner) then just concentrate on not moving your thumb. in time your thumb will stop moving. because of this problem it took me 2-3 weeks to learn the trick. and i still cannot do very good ta harmonics. hope this helps -
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 01:39:10
Thanks. I fixed it. The problem was I was trying to do it on a pencil which doesn't have much weight. So I modded a pen and now I can do it consistently.
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Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 02:43:16
You should still be able to do it on a pencil once you learn the trick well though. In fact, doing it with a bare pencil showcases a higher skill level than say doing it with a giant heavy mod...but when you're learning then do whatever it takes
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Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 04:26:27
TA Reverse took me a while to understand the concept. heh.
i dont know why, it was just weird.
but eventually i got it.
just keep practicing. -
Date: Sat, Oct 13 2007 03:16:39
My problem is that when I push off with the index finger. My index finger blocks it from gonig any father then a .25 revolution. I can't figure out how to hold it
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Date: Sun, Oct 14 2007 08:24:44QUOTE (KinXiom @ Oct 12 2007, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>My problem is that when I push off with the index finger. My index finger blocks it from gonig any father then a .25 revolution. I can't figure out how to hold it
hey kim xiom, I had that problem, too. I figured out that i just needed to lower it and get it out of the way. You're on the right track. Keep practicing!
and well I'm still working on getting a smooth harmonic like some of the other users, so any tips on that would be useful
my current problem is linking each without pause, so I guess i'll just keep working on it
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Date: Tue, Oct 16 2007 05:51:04
In my opinion TA Reverse is easier to learn then regular TA. It all comes down to understanding the path of the pen and how to initiate its motion.
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Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 02:27:29
My thumbaround reverse just doesn't seem to be as easily done as my thumbaround. Watch my video and tell me if you see anything weird about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x-BkSNdpYg -
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 18:07:50
Try to have your thumb sticking up more and push the pen so that it moves as horizontally as possible. In the video, the pen seems to aimed downward for the push with the thumb way too low for allowing the pen to be able to go around it. Try having the thumb almost in a "thumbs up" position so that the pen can rotate perpendicularly around it.
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Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 00:40:52
Hey i just wanted to say that the tutorials you guys have posted have been absolutely amazing. I can't get any of my friends into pen spinning so im learning alone and practiceing alone. Often times I couldn't figure out why things weren't working for. After i found this site i have more than noticeably improved.
I just wanted to thank you all for helping me!
OK well this is my problem with this trick, I'll try and explain this as best as i can...
When i go to scratch at it or push with my index finger i always end up popping it with my knuckle. The first knuckle on my index finger seems to hit and then pop it around. It makes it wild and uncatchable or it just gets caught between the top of my index finger and the side of my thumb.
Anyone got any suggestions for me?
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Date: Sun, Nov 11 2007 00:49:23
I guess you need to try to get the index finger out of the way right after the push. Try to bring the index finger down and curl it up as soon the pen is pushed.
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Date: Tue, Nov 13 2007 00:06:46
i have a question with this trick. when i do it, the pencil either spins on top of my thumb or fly out of my hand half wy around my thumb. any tips, advice, anything?
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Date: Tue, Nov 13 2007 00:53:38
If the pen is spinning on top of the thumb, then the thumb is not stuck straight up. As for flying away from the thumb, try to position the pen so that halfway through the trick, the COP is on the thumb...
Hold the pen with the COP on the outside of the thumb, where it would be halfway through the trick. Then, roll the pen around the thumb until you get to the starting position. That should be where you hold the pen. The COP should be on the outside of the pen at this point. At this point, the position of the COP is where you want your index finger to be to push the pen. -
Date: Thu, Dec 13 2007 00:47:39
OK, I've gone through all the replies to this post and my problem appears to be unique (which seems kinda odd as it seems an obvious problem . . . ie: when I first went over it in my head I said : ya know, I'm gonna mess it up this way). So here's what happens: The pen doesn't go the whole way around. It's sorta like I'm doing a thumb passaround reverse. It does half a revolution, not a full one like it's supposed to. I tried catching it later but then gravity takes over and it falls through my fingers. I tried pushing it harder, but then it just flies off into infinity.
PS: Is it odd that I find this trick so hard? I am now getting more or less consistent devil's sonics, backarounds, etc. but then I can't figure out this one trick on the "fundamentals" list. -
Date: Thu, Dec 13 2007 01:12:25
When you push the pen, is it traveling around the thumb in completely horizontally, or is it diagonal?
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Date: Fri, Dec 14 2007 16:17:06QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 12 2007, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When you push the pen, is it traveling around the thumb in completely horizontally, or is it diagonal?
Hehe, talk about questions that answer themselves. Thanks. It's still sorta not working half the time because when my thumb goes vertical I tend to run into the "pen hits side of thumb" problem (which I thought I had overcome by now), but I can now do it. -
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 06:14:48
I can't seem to catch it with my middle finger. I can only catch it with my index and thumb.
I'm trying to catch it in the position needed for thumb around harmonic. -
Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 07:45:29
I'm not sure where your middle finger is place at the end of the TA Rev, but it should be right below the Thumb. As the pen comes around the index finger, the middle finger just pinches the pen with the thumb.
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Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 22:11:03
I can't seem to get the hang of it, when I push with my index finger it spins wildly and doesn't do anything that resembles the regular thumb around. Can anyone help me with the initial push and the catch?
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Date: Sun, Dec 16 2007 22:38:09
merged with TA reverse thread.
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Date: Tue, Dec 18 2007 21:42:27
since im havin some ahem..problems doin this basic trick here is a pic of the pen im usin
http://lib2.store.yahoo.co.jp/lib/fobcoop/...70.jpg.....hope its an ok pen -
Date: Tue, Dec 18 2007 22:00:08
first, the link doesn't work
second, the pen doesn't matter, keep practicing -
Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 01:47:13
I had a lot of trouble with this trick for some reason. I've figured it out now though. What I seem to do is put my index finger back an inch from my thumb then I push with both at the same time rather than what Eso's tutorial said which is to scratch. This worked for me hopefully it will work for you.
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Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 07:05:33
i don't know if this is the right thread...
but how do you do the bonkura TA reverse? i'm kinda confused
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Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 20:24:40
You use your middle finger as the main push. Read this article from Hantricks that shows you how to do it. Instead of doing a Fulltap Reverse, you do a Thumbaround Reverse.
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Date: Wed, Dec 19 2007 21:44:49QUOTE (sketching @ Dec 19 2007, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You use your middle finger as the main push. Read this article from Hantricks that shows you how to do it. Instead of doing a Fulltap Reverse, you do a Thumbaround Reverse.
Thanks a lot!
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Date: Thu, Jan 3 2008 04:34:04
how am I supposed to do this, I keep 'scratching' it, but it doesn't budge. Where on the pen do I scratch it? How do I scratch properly?
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Date: Thu, Jan 3 2008 05:21:57
well, it's more of a scratch/push (or a tap)
and for me, i find that i need to move my thumb to the right (right handed) a bit so that the pen can spin around it after the pen starts moving
as for where to scratch/push it, i just scratch/push it at the cog
but anywhere from the cog to...i'd say 2/5 of the pen on the left (dunno if that made sense)
so either hold it directly on the center
or hold it so that more of the pen is outside of your hand so that it has more of the pen to spin around your thumb (2/5 by your palm, 3/5 out)
and try to scratch the inside of your thumb (where eso shows it in his tutorial, which i'm assuming you've watched since you used the "scratch" term), rather than the pen itself
so in your mind you're trying to scratch there, but throw a pen in that place instead so you end up reachign for the inside of your thumb, but end up scratching the pen instead
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Date: Thu, Jan 3 2008 19:10:19
I'm pushing the COG, but it doesn't even spit, it moves against my thumb and stops.
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Date: Thu, Jan 3 2008 21:42:56
if you can, post a video of you trying and then i'll try and give more help
i dunno why it wouldn't move though
maybe you're holding it too tight
or maybe it's all scratch and no push...
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Date: Fri, Jan 4 2008 01:38:33
It took me a while to get the hang of this one. But Eso's video helped alot
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Date: Fri, Jan 4 2008 02:27:29
@johnny: yeah...i had assumed that you had watched eso's tutorial since you used the term "scratch"
if you haven't and i assumed wrong, well here you go
http://youtube.com/watch?v=29nLg9-wZpY
if you have watched it, watch it again
and again if you still dont' get it
if you still dont' get it after that, search thumaround reverse tutorial on youtube and just watch some other tutorials other than eso's -
Date: Fri, Jan 4 2008 05:56:56
well, I rest the pen on the knuckle of my index, and then on my middle finger as Eso said, but that makes it hard for me to push/scratch the Cog correctly to initiate the spin.
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Date: Wed, Jan 23 2008 20:59:39
When learning this trick, I probably had every problem in the book. I have (more or less recently) fixed them all, so my memory is fresh. These were my solutions to the most complained about ones:
Starting position: If you have problems here you are seriously overthinking this. It's basically the catching position for the thumbaround normal. Maybe the index finger should be a little further back, but that is it. It really is just writing position but with the COP way behind your thumb contact point. Don't think about it, just do it.
Scratching: I find that this whole "scratching" thing is completely misleading. Basically, you are pushing the pen by curling your index finger. It sorta looks like you are scratching it, but really you aren't. It doesn't feel like you are scratching it either. It might help if you push out a little with your thumb as well as your middle finger, but don't count on it. If you do it with your thumb the trick feels similar, but with your thumb moving it is kinda hard to keep the pen in control as it spins.
Pen smacks side of thumb: Actually, it is probably smacking the bony knuckle-like juncture at the base of your thumb. See if you can get it out of the way. For some of you this will mean modifying your starting position, for others it will mean making the pen spin a little more vertically (I know in theory it is supposed to be completely horizontal, but I can do this trick with a completely vertical spin as well, so theory be damned). Also you might try to lower your wrist if that doesn't work. Some of these variations will be fairly uncomfortable, but I found that once I could do the thumbaround in the uncomfortable position (for me this was with my thumb basically squished down at the bottom) the problem suddenly disappeared when I tried from the normal position as well. Note that the pen can spin anywhere on the thumb, from almost at the base to right over the fingernail. If it keeps smacking into the side maybe you should aim at getting it to spin in a different angle, or over a different part of the thumb.
Also, another general tip is that things might be clearer if you try TA harmonic first. This might help getting your starting position where it should be.
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Date: Sun, Feb 3 2008 04:32:45
I got the spin down. Just need to work on the catch then smoothing it out.
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Date: Sun, Feb 10 2008 02:17:57
Ok so, I can do the thumbaround.
I can do a reverse thumbaround but only starting with the pen pinched in between my thumb and middle finger. When i try to do it like the tutorials suggest. The pen hits the joint of my thumb to my hand. What i see is everyone elses thumb, bend up at the lower joint. My thumb will not go anything but completely straight. How should i attempt to reverse the thumbaround..? -
Date: Sun, Feb 10 2008 03:37:30
When I a Thumbaround Reverse, my thumb is pretty much sticking out as an extension of my arm. My arm, wrist and thumb make basically a straight line when performing both TA Nor and TA Rev. When doing TA Harmonic, my thumb barely moves, the but only a little more than 1/2 a rotation for each trick before being push in the opposite direction. When doing TA Rev, my thumb is stickin out in line with my arm for about 1/2 the trick, then quickly pulls back to get out of the way of the pen for the second half.
Can you post a photo of how you are holding the pen for the push? I'm not sure I understand how you are holding it to begin with. -
Date: Sun, Feb 10 2008 05:14:19
i have it pinched between my thumb and middle finger just below the cop, with my index bent and pushing on the pen just above the cop, no cam sorry. Most other people i see have it pinched between the curled index and the thumb with the middle finger underneath. for me that;s extremely hard to even hold the pen in that position
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Date: Sun, Feb 10 2008 10:08:05
Are you trying to push the pen with the index finger in that position? If so, that's the problem. The COP should be on or above the pushing finger, not below. You may try pushing from the middle finger if you are more comfortable with that position, or adjust the pen so that the COP is on or above the index finger and practice pushing with the index until it works.
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Date: Sun, Feb 10 2008 18:28:43
i can finally do this trick pretty consistently, but im still having troubles with the harmonic
after the ta reverse, should i bend the index forward or pull it away, so it wont get in the way? -
Date: Sun, Feb 10 2008 18:30:57
@Vall3y: after the index finger pushes the pen in the TA Rev, it stays bent until the pen comes around again after the next TA Nor, then it moves back in place to catch the pen.
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Date: Sun, Feb 10 2008 20:58:14
got you, very reasonable
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Date: Thu, Feb 14 2008 06:10:50
is possible smooth pass from TA rev to palm down sonics, passes ? i cant get it
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Date: Thu, Feb 14 2008 06:14:45
Yes, catch the pen in whatever slot you want and perform the next trick.
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Date: Thu, Feb 14 2008 14:51:16
Well Thumbaround reverse isn't a hard trick at all,but I find it hard somtimes to catch the pen and preform the next trick.
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Date: Thu, Feb 14 2008 14:55:08
at first i didnt also know how it happens but just try and i promise u you'll get it. watch different tutorials in you tube. it helps also. its much easier for me to do a twisted sonic after a ta reverse, hehe dont know if its a combo or anythin.
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Date: Thu, Feb 14 2008 20:22:52QUOTE (sketching @ Feb 14 2008, 07:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes, catch the pen in whatever slot you want and perform the next trick.
yeah, its not problem for me with palm up, but ta rev to palm down sonics...
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Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 10:31:38
Hey everyone,
It seems that I can't do this trick at all. I've heard countless times that you have to "scratch" the pen but it doesn't go anywhere for me!
Can anyone please help?
Thanks! -
Date: Sat, Mar 15 2008 16:09:08
you don't actually scratch the pen; it's just the scratching motion.
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Date: Sun, Mar 16 2008 01:37:26QUOTE (minimazza @ Mar 15 2008, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hey everyone,
It seems that I can't do this trick at all. I've heard countless times that you have to "scratch" the pen but it doesn't go anywhere for me!
Can anyone please help?
Thanks!
you have to "scratch" really hard with force, enough so that the pen can move. When the pen is about parallel with your thumb, try squeezing it with the last "knuckle" on your index finger. -
Date: Tue, Apr 8 2008 02:28:07
I'm new to all this, right now I only have a pencil. I have the problem where it hits my thumbbone, I can only make it do a half revolution, but I'm working it out. I ordered a pen mod and pencil mod, I'll see it those help and post
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Date: Tue, Apr 8 2008 08:04:26
i have a tutorial on this...hope it helps you^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CJdbLJjJZc
the catch takes a bit to get but soon you'll get it^^ -
Date: Tue, Apr 8 2008 10:29:03
yeah the catch took a while for me to get, i kept cathing it between 3 and 4 (wtf),
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Date: Tue, Apr 8 2008 21:54:48QUOTE (Glorf @ Apr 7 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm new to all this, right now I only have a pencil. I have the problem where it hits my thumbbone, I can only make it do a half revolution, but I'm working it out. I ordered a pen mod and pencil mod, I'll see it those help and post
ahh yes. the infamous thumbbone. XD try to raise your index slightly, so when you spin it. it'll go over. -
Date: Wed, Apr 9 2008 23:00:45
OMFG I STILL HAZNT GOT IT!!!!!
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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 06:45:29
after 2 days at work fiddling around withthis trick, i finally got it.
now doin it fast enough to get a harmonic thumbaround is a different story.
For me every time i do a reverse thumb around it lands in the exact same spot...
ill do a thumb around and the pen ends up near the front so i can do a reverse thumb around.
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Date: Sat, Apr 19 2008 10:55:43
What I was taught was not to scratch the pen but to push it back. So I move my index along the pen and just push. WHen I do harmonic I just have my index sticking out so I can just push it back, not scratch it.
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Date: Sun, Apr 20 2008 13:20:42
I've been trying and im still having problems gaining the initial momentum. I can easy do the TA rev when i start holding the pen at T2. But whem it comes to start at T1 I miserably fail trying to make the pen to go around the thumb.
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Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 00:55:22
I can get the spinning motion just fine, but I have problems with catching it. Every time I try to catch it, it falls. Is it supposed to be caught between 23 or 12?
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Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 01:02:31
It can be caught in both, but I recommend 23. In fact, when I catch it it's caught in T2 and kinda held up by 3.
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Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 04:15:29
You may as well try to catch it in T2 so that you can get TA Harmonic down. Thumbaround Reverse T12-T2 > Thumbaround Normal T2-T12... repeat.
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Date: Thu, Apr 24 2008 06:45:28
turns out i was doing it wrong, so im praxtising the scratch now. its pretty simple
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Date: Sun, Apr 27 2008 19:45:48
when learning reverse ta is it a good idea to first do a normal ta then go for a reverse ta?
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Date: Wed, Apr 30 2008 08:14:39
got trouble with the spinning part.
mine always spin 0.5 revolution
if it spins 1 rev usually the pen will fall of my hand.
any tips on this.
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Date: Fri, May 2 2008 14:43:25QUOTE (asian pen @ Apr 27 2008, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>when learning reverse ta is it a good idea to first do a normal ta then go for a reverse ta?
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Date: Tue, May 6 2008 23:07:57
when linking a TA rev to a sonic 34, i don't know when to catch the pen in the 34 slot
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Date: Wed, May 7 2008 00:45:47
1.0 revolutions, otherwise it's not a TA reverse
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Date: Thu, May 8 2008 03:46:08
All right, well I can essentially do the Thumbaround reverse, but for some reason, I have to curl my index finger all the way in to the point where the tip of my index finger is touching my palm (the flap between my thumb and index finger). From what I've seen in numerous videos, however, I shouldn't be doing that, since most of them show people merely tapping it back...but the only way I can get the pen to clear my index and get it to spin all the way around is if I curl in my index finger all the way, which is really inconvenient.
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Date: Thu, May 8 2008 05:23:21
@Zimm: a few questions...
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Date: Fri, May 9 2008 01:24:21
Hm, sorry for my lack of vocabulary, but I took some pictures. Hope these help.
First is the initial position:
And here's the center of balance:
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Date: Fri, May 9 2008 02:01:36
Same type of pen I use except my pen is more balanced. Seems like it's in the right place maybe a little too scrunched in. I don't Eso's scratching method I just push it. Don't know what else to say other than keep trying.
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Date: Fri, May 9 2008 02:49:41
Hm, well, my friend actually gave that to me and he put a spare grip in the opposite end of the cap, and I also use this pen sometimes during class. Surprisingly, the amount of ink in the cartridge makes a difference as far as balancing and stuff goes
Yeah, I'll keep trying the pushing/scratching method, see which one works better - it's just that when I try doing the scratching method, the pen doesn't clear the middle section of my index finger. It just kinda bumps into it and falls to the ground
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Date: Fri, May 9 2008 22:46:20QUOTE (Zimm @ May 9 2008, 03:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hm, well, my friend actually gave that to me and he put a spare grip in the opposite end of the cap, and I also use this pen sometimes during class. Surprisingly, the amount of ink in the cartridge makes a difference as far as balancing and stuff goes
Yeah, I'll keep trying the pushing/scratching method, see which one works better - it's just that when I try doing the scratching method, the pen doesn't clear the middle section of my index finger. It just kinda bumps into it and falls to the ground
Thanks for the suggestions/help so far, but I'm still open for other ideas.
if you dominate ta already that will help...if you want my opinium, don't try to learn this trick like this...try to learn it like i did!=D
i started trying to do ta harmonic....and after you can do some of ta harmonic, you'll have many less problems on learning this trick and after you do learn this trick you can continue your learning in ta harmonic and you can master it easily^^
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Date: Sun, May 11 2008 15:52:08QUOTE (pen_MAKer @ May 9 2008, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i started trying to do ta harmonic....and after you can do some of ta harmonic, you'll have many less problems on learning this trick and after you do learn this trick you can continue your learning in ta harmonic and you can master it easily^^
That's actually what I also did and I can do the reverse perfectly. But @Zimm: You don't need the exact tip of your index finger to be touching the pen, just lay the index finger almost flat against the pen and push towards the thumb's middle knuckle; and the thumb itself should be the pen's pivot point. -
Date: Sun, May 11 2008 16:57:18
Whenever I try this my index finger gets in the way. Is there anyway that you guys know of to help get my finger out of the way?
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Date: Wed, May 14 2008 02:13:10
Your index finger should be pushing unless you're doing push with 2... how does it get in the way?
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Date: Wed, May 21 2008 03:45:30QUOTE (cyber penguin @ Sep 10 2007, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I seem to be pushing too hard and it always leaves my thumb lately. Anyone know of a good exercise to rectify the overspin?
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Date: Wed, May 21 2008 04:24:54
think of it as pulling a trigger
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Date: Wed, May 21 2008 14:24:51
So my deal is that when I push with 1 it moves, then most of the time it pinches between the end knuckle and my thumb. On occasion some miracle happens and it works, but most of tthe time it pinches and doesn't go anywhere. Ideas?
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Date: Wed, May 21 2008 21:04:32
If you're succeeding occasionally, then that means you need to practice more.
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Date: Thu, Jul 3 2008 21:04:52
Every time I try to TA-Rev, the pen spins over my index finger, any advice?
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Date: Sun, Jul 13 2008 23:37:47
i cant do it ><
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Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 02:15:31
Well, if you push to hard the pen a bit hard you've gotta have your catch ready straight after you push.
I hope that helped.QUOTE (Fouldini @ Jul 4 2008, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Every time I try to TA-Rev, the pen spins over my index finger, any advice?
Over the index finger? o.O
I don't get how thats even possible with the Thumbaround reverse motion o.O
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Date: Mon, Jul 14 2008 03:25:49
yeah thanks
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Date: Mon, Jul 21 2008 01:57:41
imo....
do (try) rev. ta immediatly after you do a normal TA. momentum should send it back. (also good if your learing TA harmonic after too) -
Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 01:02:51
Where from the COG do I need to hold the pen? The pen always just "bounces" up, or rolls off my knuckles.
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Date: Wed, Jul 23 2008 01:36:16QUOTE (Loanshark @ Jul 22 2008, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Where from the COG do I need to hold the pen? The pen always just "bounces" up, or rolls off my knuckles.
when in position of reverse ta
the part of your finger that is inbeween your knuckly and middle (philix?) (joint w/e) should be supporting the pen(cog) -
Date: Thu, Jul 24 2008 12:02:24
when learning the thumb around reverse i find that it is easier if you lift your thumb quite high then the pen cant roll of your hand also do not aply to much pressure
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Date: Sun, Aug 31 2008 19:13:59
I manage to spin the pen around my thumb fine (or at least I think so), but I have problems catching the pen. I just can't get the pen between my thumb and 2. I'd like to catch it in a position for the Harmonic TA.
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Date: Sun, Aug 31 2008 19:28:28
Practice practice paractice..,
Practice leading the pen with your other hand, and placing the pen in the position you want to catch it.
Take your elft hand and guide the pen arround into position and jsut keep practicing =]
Also, look at the angle at which you hand is, it should be horizontal to the ground, so that your hand is facing up, that way the pen wont slip down because of gravity, hoped I helped a alittle. -
Date: Sun, Aug 31 2008 19:36:11
That seems like a good idea, guiding it with my left hand. I'll sure try that and always have my hand in that position you mentioned.
You've helped alot Shoeman6, I appreciate it!
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Edit: After many agonizing hours I finally managed to catch it! Now I can catch it in every 5 spins or so. Few more days and I'll be perfect. You helped alot shoeman6, thanks again. -
Date: Wed, Sep 3 2008 21:30:19
xD your welcome =]
It took me a whiel to elarn the thumba rround reverse.
Many people thinkk it's harder thant he thumb arround, but if you think back to when you first learned the thumba rround, it's jsut as agonizing > - <
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Date: Wed, Sep 3 2008 22:19:22QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 4 2008, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>...but if you think back to when you first learned the thumba rround, it's jsut as agonizing > - <
Haha yeah, that's kinda true
I can do TA reverse really good now, but I still need more practice as I'm still dropping it sometimes. Practice makes perfect
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Date: Thu, Sep 4 2008 02:28:34
OR consistentcy at least ;D
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Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 20:17:33
It's hard to spin it...
They keep saying
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Date: Sun, Sep 7 2008 20:31:12
SCtratch what like a what? 0 _ o I think your on the wrong thread, this isnt lolita jack off board.. this is pen spinning, never heard anybody say scratch anything like a barrel...
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Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 01:21:38QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 7 2008, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>SCtratch what like a what? 0 _ o I think your on the wrong thread, this isnt lolita jack off board.. this is pen spinning, never heard anybody say scratch anything like a barrel...
I'm going to say that at school this week: scratch it like a barrel.
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Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 01:52:03
Lmao, i've seriousily never heard anybody use that as an analogy fer the RTA....
Think of it more as doing a thumb arround backwards - _ - -
Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 07:30:34
I think he meant do the scratching motion on the barrel like how the tuts teach you.
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Date: Mon, Sep 8 2008 12:15:22
Well, try not scratching your barrel and doing more of a pushing motion, like your normal thumb arround... 0 _ o
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Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 14:42:46
can anyone tell me what im doing wrong here?
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Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 14:46:03
catch it with your middle finger
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Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 15:09:41
I think you are trying to learn the closed method of the thumbarround rev when your not ready, keep your fingers more spread out, and lift your middle finger as the pen rotates arround, try doing it slowly, and with the pen horizonta to the ground =]
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Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 15:39:47
You need more of an angle between your pen and your thumb - they're too close together.
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Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 18:29:29
It looks like you're scratching the pen barrel which you should avoid. You don't want to use your fingernail to push it. Also, at the end, it looked like you were using pressure to get it out of the T1 slot.
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Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 18:47:15
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 00:01:58
YOu obviousily arent ready for a rev ta yet the harmonic way, jsut do it normal, aka no 90 degree angle,
Hold the pen like you do a thumb arround only below the COP and use a straighter finger push, dont pring your finger back, thats for a harmonic which you arent ready for and frankly isnt a good method, the finger shouldjust push the pen arround not the way your doing it > - <
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 00:03:23
Seems like you're doing it using too much force..it just flies out of your hand. Try pushing lightly so you can follow the pen and catch it between your middle finger and thumb. Hope this helps.
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 00:09:56
Also try bending your thumb more upward at the second knucle so the pen goes arround your thumb more rather than on top , youll get more control.
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 05:29:13
i kinda need to do it the harmonic way for the momentum. if i do it normally, theres not much force and it doesnt spin much.
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 06:08:25
Yeah, but you're pushing way too hard. The thing about this trick is that you need to push with the right amount-not too much or too little. Also, you're trying to do it too fast as in you're not giving yourself ample time to prepare for the thumbaround reverse right after the thumbaround.
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 06:49:47
this is the best i could do.....
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 13:54:30QUOTE (Jiinn @ Sep 28 2008, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i kinda need to do it the harmonic way for the momentum. if i do it normally, theres not much force and it doesnt spin much.
NO YOU DONT PLEASE LISTEN
Your holding the pen wrong....
The pen shpould be held jsut lkie it was for the thumb arround, only lower > - < dont bend yolu first finger IN no need to, push it straight
When you do a normal thumb arround you do bend in your middle finger like a freak, so dont do it when you do a reverse > - <
The way you are holding it is for doing a trick called the reverse thumb SPIN, thats why its never going arround your thumb and allowing you to catch it.
HOLD IT NORMALLY NO NEED TO BRING YOUR first finger back, of course its hard to apply any force like that > - <
when you go to push with your first finger, stretch it out against the barrel instead of folding it up >- < -
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 14:14:14
do you have a video or something? >.>
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 16:26:54
no, just keep your first finger striahgt instead of folding it in, I could make a video but not until tomorow...
When you see the rev ta in videos itll look like its folded in but thats only becasue tehre more advanced spinners...
The way your doing it is a rev thumb spin, push ti more ARROUND you thumb, like a thumb arround, you dont foldin your finger when doing a normal thumb arround do you? - _ - -
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 16:34:13
you mean like literally pushing the pen over your thumb? >.>
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 16:35:41
YESS! push it as far over with your first finger as you can and then the pen will continue to revolve arround your thumb > - <
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 20:29:44
If you want a video, just check out YouTube and search "Thumbaround Harmonic"
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 20:33:39
i dont understand how you make the pen at a 90 degree angel with my index finger and then have it bent to push it around my thumb.. my index finger always will just push the pen off my hand all togather? any one else have that problem??
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 20:46:04
watch Eso's tutorial first, if you haven't already.
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 20:53:06QUOTE (Colt @ Sep 28 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>If you want a video, just check out YouTube and search "Thumbaround Harmonic"
DONT DO THAT! that's what his problem is > - <
all the tutorials show you to make a square with you figner WHICH YOU SHOULDMNT DO at least he shouldt because its not working for him....
Eso's tutorial also does this...
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Take your finger, and instead of bending it, keep it straight and push it jsut like a thumb arround except use your first finger... > - <QUOTE (Apple @ Sep 28 2008, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i dont understand how you make the pen at a 90 degree angel with my index finger and then have it bent to push it around my thumb.. my index finger always will just push the pen off my hand all togather? any one else have that problem??
DONT bend you finger at a 90 degree angle, thats for a reverse thumbspin, all tutorials on youtube tell you to but you shouldnt, because thats just a position for the thumb arround harmonic which isnt a problem right now, firs tyouahve to learn how to make it go arround...
Push it with a straight figner that curls in AS you push it should look like a hook, more like a straight finger, that bends (pushing the pen arround your thumb, not ONTOP) You dont bend it BEFORE you push the figner you push it AS you bend your finger =] -
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 22:13:20QUOTE (nada @ Sep 28 2008, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>watch Eso's tutorial first, if you haven't already.
Ive watched like 10 times and still dont understand it confuses me. i guess ill have to learn my own way -.-' -
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 22:16:46QUOTE (Apple @ Sep 28 2008, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ive watched like 10 times and still dont understand it confuses me. i guess ill have to learn my own way -.-'
DOnt use esos tutorial xDD jsut do a reverse thumb arround cmoN!!! if you know a thumb arround it shouldnt be that hard to get the concept.. -
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 23:14:07
its just the way i have to use my index finger to push it around it never forces it around my thumb
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 23:21:25
note the white line - there is a space between the pen and the bottom of the thumb, at an angle
note the arrow - that is where I direct the push with the finger, to push the pen around the thumb. -
Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 23:24:46
That finger hold is horrindeous when your first learnign the ta rev... thats why tehre failing so miserably because peopel teach them to do that...
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Date: Sun, Sep 28 2008 23:25:29
what is wrong with that finger hold? I learned it that way... it's just the push people usually do incorrectly.
if you find it uncomfortable with the finger curled back that far, just curl it forward a bit, it doesn't really make a difference.
what i find important is the space between the pen & the thumb, and that the COG is to the right of the thumb (if you're a righty that is). -
Date: Mon, Sep 29 2008 02:40:47QUOTE (nada @ Sep 28 2008, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>what is wrong with that finger hold? I learned it that way... it's just the push people usually do incorrectly.
if you find it uncomfortable with the finger curled back that far, just curl it forward a bit, it doesn't really make a difference.
what i find important is the space between the pen & the thumb, and that the COG is to the right of the thumb (if you're a righty that is).
Whats wrong is the fact that the reason its in taht position is because when you do a normal thumb arround you can use the momentum of the spin to push the pen back like that, however when your jsut doing it from there and jsut learning its impossible and peolple end up doing reverse thumb spins...
Its like teaching someone how to do an index arround from a position that you get into when your doing a twisted sonic bust.... there obviosuily having trouble, so by doing a normal reverse thumb arround may help them more than just having the pen going flying over and over again....
I suggest starting with the finger straight, and curling it in and pushing the pen at the same time, this way the pen will go arround your thumb. make shore it goes arround and not over... -
Date: Mon, Sep 29 2008 12:57:05
Wow im so confused its not funny but ill try the straight finger one your talking about.
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Date: Mon, Sep 29 2008 20:07:06QUOTE (shoeman6 @ Sep 28 2008, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Whats wrong is the fact that the reason its in taht position is because when you do a normal thumb arround you can use the momentum of the spin to push the pen back like that, however when your jsut doing it from there and jsut learning its impossible and peolple end up doing reverse thumb spins...
Its like teaching someone how to do an index arround from a position that you get into when your doing a twisted sonic bust.... there obviosuily having trouble, so by doing a normal reverse thumb arround may help them more than just having the pen going flying over and over again....
I suggest starting with the finger straight, and curling it in and pushing the pen at the same time, this way the pen will go arround your thumb. make shore it goes arround and not over...
odd, doing it just like a rev ta works fine when I teach people, today I got someone to get a reverse TA using that method, though I think you shouldn't curl your finger as far back as I did in the pic. -
Date: Thu, Oct 16 2008 02:23:27
hmmm..im catching it in my 3-4 slot
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Date: Thu, Nov 13 2008 22:12:13
Um i tried to learn it but when I push it with the index finger it goes flying instead of going around my thumb. Wat am i doing wrong??
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Date: Thu, Nov 13 2008 23:36:45
You could either be holding it too far, or it could be that your holding the pen too far on the right of left side of it.
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Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 14:34:17
put COP into account. i always push the pen close to the COP.
i think the pic is okay. i hold my pen the same way.
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Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 18:37:55QUOTE (GoldStars @ Nov 13 2008, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Um i tried to learn it but when I push it with the index finger it goes flying instead of going around my thumb. Wat am i doing wrong??
U may be hold too middle of pen or too outside. u have to push lightly and curve the thumb inside to create a flat surface. -
Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 20:33:33
Sometimes I get it sometimes I dont. My problems are the bone of my thumb and sometimes I fail to get it to spin, it usually is either to hard and it goes out of control or sometimes it just doesnt want to spin, and sometimes it spins but I dont catch it. What is the thumb supposed to do, is it suppose to higer, lower, move left move right? Someone help!!!
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Date: Sun, Nov 16 2008 20:44:47QUOTE (Pensharp @ Nov 16 2008, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sometimes I get it sometimes I dont. My problems are the bone of my thumb and sometimes I fail to get it to spin, it usually is either to hard and it goes out of control or sometimes it just doesnt want to spin, and sometimes it spins but I dont catch it. What is the thumb supposed to do, is it suppose to higer, lower, move left move right? Someone help!!!
Your thumb isn't supposed to move at all, unless you're trying to do a Fingerless Reverse Thumbaround. You need to make sure you middle finger is ready to catch and that yuo're pushing the pen with the COG on the right side. -
Date: Sun, Nov 30 2008 05:08:28
Uhm, I can already do the trigger right, but most of te time the pen spins diffrently. I tried practicing ta harmonics, thinking it'd help me with the momentum. I can already do the ta normal, but i have trouble with the reverse. Help anyone??
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Date: Sun, Nov 30 2008 08:46:00
i just had a thought, is it possible to do a pinky push rev TA? O.o seems pretty hard
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Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 01:47:17QUOTE (Point @ Nov 30 2008, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i just had a thought, is it possible to do a pinky push rev TA? O.o seems pretty hard
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Date: Tue, Dec 2 2008 08:38:38
Wow took me a long time to get this down.....the catch part is was the hard part.it takes a lot of practice to position ure fingers where u want them to...well now im learning the harmonic
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Date: Thu, Jan 15 2009 06:53:05
Help would be appreciated on this one too... the only way I seem to be able to do it is if I hold my pen vertically instead of horizontally and just slightly tip it over the thumb and let gravity help... except it looks terrible and doesn't flow very good... and often when I try to do it horizontally I'm either not pushing right and my index finger keeps getting caught by the pen, stopping it... so halp?
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Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 03:16:35QUOTE (LearnerPS @ Sep 15 2007, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I can't seem to get it right... I followed the TA Rev instructions, I can spin it around but I cant seem to do the "catching" part. Help please? - Yes, I can do the TA if that helps.
when u do TA rev u shud catch it in the starting position of a TA...well thats how i do it cause when ever i do a TA or TA rev its usually harmonic
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Date: Sat, Jan 17 2009 08:49:17
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Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 23:37:41
I don't really know... my index ends up under my thumb...
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Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 14:01:57QUOTE (Fall @ Jan 31 2009, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't really know... my index ends up under my thumb...
me 2, -
Date: Sun, Feb 1 2009 15:00:30
hey, can anyone help me in the fingerpass, i've been doin it 4 almost 4 days and its not goin smooth enough, wenever i try to speed it up, it slips from my hand, plz any help would be okay!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Mon, Feb 2 2009 02:41:29
Ryu, what that looks like to me is that you're trying to do a Thumbspin, where the pen spins on top of the thumb. That's considerably harder.
Actually, not even... basically, you're index finger shouldn't be going that far back or up -- your index finger should be going into the side of your thumb, like so:
Even still, in that picture my index finger is going farther in than it does during the trick -- it normally comes back so I can catch. -
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 01:38:21
YES YES i finally got this trick, my only advice RAISE YOUR THUMB!!!!
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Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 01:46:15
Yeah, remember to keep the tip of your thumb raised, and make sure the tip of your index finger is "scraping" the right side of your thumb.
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Date: Thu, Feb 26 2009 10:35:20
*raises up my hands* Why can't I get the pen into whichever slot I want it to be for TA rev? More practice or hand/finger positioning?
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Date: Wed, Mar 4 2009 01:41:17
Hmm... how are you catching? As far as I can tell, if you can do a TA reverse it should be easy. Are you just kind of holding your hand open and letting the pen land in your palm?
The best way I can describe it is that the lower fingers (pinky and ring) go under while the higher fingers stop it (middle and index) for a 23 catch, for example. If you could record it and show what you're doing, that'd be useful. -
Date: Wed, Mar 4 2009 01:50:27QUOTE (Metalm3 @ Feb 26 2009, 05:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>*raises up my hands* Why can't I get the pen into whichever slot I want it to be for TA rev? More practice or hand/finger positioning?
If you're still having this problem, the way I see it is you want pen pen to touch the first finger of the slot you want the pen to got to. For example, if you want to do TA Reverse > Sonic 23 12, you want your pen to touch your middle first followed by the ring.
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Date: Thu, Mar 5 2009 17:13:45
Ya... whenever I do TA rev, it automatically goes to the 23 slot when I want it to reach my middle finger so i can push again for TA harmonic. So yea... I'm still pracitsing it. Lolz.
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Date: Sat, Mar 7 2009 05:10:53
take your ring finger away, hold the pen between your thumb and middle finger then do a ta. simple.
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Date: Sun, Mar 8 2009 16:12:17QUOTE (Sian_ing @ Mar 7 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>take your ring finger away, hold the pen between your thumb and middle finger then do a ta. simple.
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Date: Mon, Mar 9 2009 00:54:39
ok i learned the charge and the thumb around differently than most ppl...i use my first finger and the middle finger for \the charge spin and i also use the first finger to push the pen for the thumbaround... is there a way i can learn reverse thumbaround using the first finger to push? if so is there a video to show me?
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Date: Mon, Mar 9 2009 01:02:11
You should be learning thumbaround reverse with your "first" or index finger
you were trying to do it with another finger.gif)
you can but its harder to learn
as for a vid check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkvRP0ZqSFs...feature=related
pretty self explanatory
as for you "different" learning, you were just using different fingers that's all.
you were doing the charge in the 12 slot or first finger and second finger (index and middle)
and Thumbaround with index and thumb instead of middle and thumb -
Date: Tue, Mar 10 2009 07:50:22
Try not to put straight ur thumb while pushing it with the index!!
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Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 09:49:38QUOTE (lobster @ Feb 16 2009, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>YES YES i finally got this trick, my only advice RAISE YOUR THUMB!!!!
yup u mus raise ur thumb at first when i coulden do it i tried raising my thumb up and i got my first rev thumbaround.but dun keep ur thumb too straight up for a long time, i tried and my whole thumb seemed to hav muscle cramps later on -
Date: Sat, Mar 28 2009 11:28:46
And while doing TA rev, if u find ur pen getting stuck in the middle of the thumb, tap the pen faster. Push ur index finger in real fast and release it the moment it hits ur pen. You should be able to get the movement. Then work on the grabbing.
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Date: Thu, Apr 30 2009 16:15:03
why did people introduced the squeeze method?is it even usable in a combo?
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Date: Fri, May 1 2009 00:55:22QUOTE (mr phua sy @ Apr 30 2009, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>why did people introduced the squeeze method?is it even usable in a combo?
squeeze method?
never heard of it
Well, all these "methods" are there to assist in learning and grasping the concept of the trick.
Once you can actually do the trick, then you can learn how to link them.
You need to learn tricks first before making a combo -
Date: Fri, May 1 2009 16:18:56QUOTE (JSH @ May 1 2009, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>squeeze method?
never heard of it
Well, all these "methods" are there to assist in learning and grasping the concept of the trick.
Once you can actually do the trick, then you can learn how to link them.
You need to learn tricks first before making a combo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMPPN1WSK0A...re=channel_page
at 0.27 the thumbaround reverse
the squeeze method is actually jus a name that i named it since i see it alot
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Date: Sat, May 2 2009 03:32:00QUOTE (mr phua sy @ May 2 2009, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMPPN1WSK0A...re=channel_page
at 0.27 the thumbaround reverse
the squeeze method is actually jus a name that i named it since i see it alot
I think there's still a slight push to get the pen going. -
Date: Sat, May 2 2009 15:00:15
Is it possible to do TA REV t3-t3 or t4-t4?
If its possible please tell me how to perform it,or share videos. PLEASE!! 
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Date: Sun, May 3 2009 06:32:00QUOTE (Metalm3 @ May 2 2009, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think there's still a slight push to get the pen going.SO is it usable in a combo and it is super obvious that there is a push
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Date: Mon, May 4 2009 14:05:30
rev ta to fingerpass to 34 to sonic to twisted sonic to fl ta rev.
A combo i like to do. -
Date: Mon, Oct 26 2009 23:29:05
This trick is going to make me kill myself (not really, it is just really annoying me). Till I find a hgg, I'm using a regular RSVP with the cap on the back. I can do a reg TA fine, but I can't seem to get the rev TA ( it's been 2-3 days now). What I want to know is where should I be holding the RSVP? Where Should I be pushing? An lastly, how should my thumb be raised? I checked A LOT of vids but I can't seem to get it.
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Date: Wed, Dec 23 2009 16:35:29
Hey,
I hope you haven't killed yourself already?
When you do a TA, your pen stops so that you can't do a second TA directly after the first one, right? That's the position for the TA rev.
That means, the middle of your Pen (COG) has to be "behind" your index finger. You can hold your Pen with your middle and thumb now and you should push with your index. The only finger, which is moving while doing the TA rev. is the index. The thumb doesn't have to move.
You catch the TA rev. again between middle and thumb. The middle finger is always under the thumb and doesn't move, too. :-)
Well, I hope that it helped a bit, ask when there are more questions :-) -
Date: Wed, Dec 23 2009 18:44:35
when i try and rotate the pen it either doesn't rotate all the way or it gets caught between my thumb and index finger
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Date: Wed, Dec 23 2009 19:53:48
I found it easier when you move your thumb slightly to the right (if ur right-handed) after halfways into the trick. So if it doesn't rotate all the way do that.
If it gets caught, your "scratching" or the initial push, then i suggest trying to bend your index finger more downwards when doing the push so the pen can spin over. -
Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 17:50:56
The problem with catching is probably that you're not fast enough to catch the pen?
Then you have to put your middle finger under your thumb in „catch position“ already if you start the trick.
I once made a video for the TA rev. thread in GPC and maybe it helps here, too:
Click the link
You have to pay attention to your catching finger (here the middle finger), that it is in position. The best thing is to exercise the trick in combination with the TA, so TA harm. Then the middlefinger can stay under the thumb ;-)
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Date: Sat, Jan 2 2010 17:56:35
i do it more like a counter than a rev. i tried to do the rev end the pen never spin in the thumb. the pen always move to my hand and it's look like rev shadow
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Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 16:33:13
with the ta rev all i do is stick out my middle finger, it seems to catch itself kinda thing
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Date: Sun, Jan 3 2010 16:47:16
Well i started at Jan 1st 2010 and well i learnd sonic , charge, sonic rise and thumbaround but iunno about
thumbaround reverse, .
Todai ( rightnow)
i tried to do thumbaround normal and reverse,
it worked but iunno if im doing it correctly,
When i do the reverse , i lower my thumb so my middle can catch it and when my middle catchs it ,
i rise my thumb to push it back .
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Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 16:24:15QUOTE (ibd @ Jan 2 2010, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The problem with catching is probably that you're not fast enough to catch the pen?
Then you have to put your middle finger under your thumb in „catch position“ already if you start the trick.
I once made a video for the TA rev. thread in GPC and maybe it helps here, too:
Click the link
You have to pay attention to your catching finger (here the middle finger), that it is in position. The best thing is to exercise the trick in combination with the TA, so TA harm. Then the middlefinger can stay under the thumb ;-)
Hope it helped.
Wow! Thanks! That Helped A Lot, I catch it more often now. -
Date: Mon, Jan 4 2010 19:53:58
It's hard to tell from your description.
Keep in mind the pen spins over the top of the thumb and it should be in a motion that resembles the normal thumbaround. -
Date: Tue, Jan 5 2010 01:48:26
Is the pen going over your thumb or around it? For starters, its probably best to just get the motion right and worry about the catch later. If its going around your thumb, then it doesn't really matter how you catch it because you're on the right track
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Date: Tue, Jan 5 2010 01:52:37
its hard to say the way you describe but does it goaround your thumb???
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 03:39:27QUOTE (ibd @ Dec 23 2009, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hey,
I hope you haven't killed yourself already?
When you do a TA, your pen stops so that you can't do a second TA directly after the first one, right? That's the position for the TA rev.
That means, the middle of your Pen (COG) has to be "behind" your index finger. You can hold your Pen with your middle and thumb now and you should push with your index. The only finger, which is moving while doing the TA rev. is the index. The thumb doesn't have to move.
You catch the TA rev. again between middle and thumb. The middle finger is always under the thumb and doesn't move, too. :-)
Well, I hope that it helped a bit, ask when there are more questions :-)
thanks for the tips, its been almost 3 months since i posted here and its been maybe a month or two since ive been on the boards, so sorry i haven't posted a thanks in a while. im finally starting to get it (im pathetic with how long it took me to get it). i gave up on the ta rev for a while and can do most fundamentals and some sonic variants. i just kept my thumb up higher and tried keeping it there and now im starting to get it.
currently, when i do my TA Rev, my thumb moves down a bit then to the right/up a bit (im right handed btw). is that normal? i feel like i shouldnt be doing that, but its uncontrollable. thanks.
EDIT: i also forgot to mention, when my thumb moves down, the pen just spins on the knuckle of my thumb. this doesnt always happen, but its quite often -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 11:09:20
my problem now: the pen never spin fast enough
my middle finger hurt after learning TA rev
i always catch it in 23 slot -
Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 16:48:32QUOTE (sarugio @ Jan 8 2010, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>my problem now: the pen never spin fast enough
my middle finger hurt after learning TA rev
i always catch it in 23 slot
lol. I was kinda the same when I first started. when I was first learning the Sonic last year, the inside edges of the 23 slot were so red because I didnt realize that you didnt need a whole lot of pressure to do the sonic.
About your problem, try putting a little more push into the rotation. And I also catch it normally in the 23 if I am going to combo off of it. But if I am just doing the trick, I usually catch the pen in a grip b/w T and 3, this way I am all set up for a TA Harmonic.
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Date: Fri, Jan 8 2010 18:33:18
When i try to do the ta reverse, i cant move my thumb, so it spins on my thumb instead of me catching it :\
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 02:28:54QUOTE (ShoopDaWoop @ Jan 8 2010, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>When i try to do the ta reverse, i cant move my thumb, so it spins on my thumb instead of me catching it :\
Once the pen is parallel to your thumb (after the initial push), try to push your thumb over the index finger and slide the index finger underneath your thumb to catch it once it makes a full rotation.
If you're still having problems, wait until the pen is horizontal on your thumb (during the rotation) before you slide your index finger underneath the thumb. Wait like a milisecond or two. -
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 07:09:24
now that i'm getting a bit better at this trick, it seems to land to keep landing between the middle and ring finger
, not exactly where i wanted it to land but seems like that's the best i can do. -
Date: Wed, Feb 10 2010 11:09:22QUOTE (davidguy @ Feb 10 2010, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>now that i'm getting a bit better at this trick, it seems to land to keep landing between the middle and ring finger , not exactly where i wanted it to land but seems like that's the best i can do.
1-keep ur thumb right straight
2-push with ur index perpendicular to the pen
3-hide ur index under the pen just right after pushing
i just learnt it now i was in need of those 3 tips XD
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Date: Thu, Feb 11 2010 01:12:58
lol not sure if it was your tips or not but now I'm catching it between my middle and index fingers more consistently now
just have to practice now so that i don't need to move my hand as much -
Date: Thu, Feb 11 2010 16:36:01QUOTE (davidguy @ Feb 10 2010, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol not sure if it was your tips or not but now I'm catching it between my middle and index fingers more consistently now just have to practice now so that i don't need to move my hand as much
mhm the tips worked well xD gratz lol
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Date: Thu, Feb 11 2010 18:56:16
Ta Revs are hard, haha. I've been attempting them for a month straight and still can't get one.
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Date: Tue, Apr 6 2010 14:03:08
Damn... i've been able to do thumbaround for 5 years and i've just found out you can do it in reverse.
AND YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE THUMBAROUND REVERSE I'VE COME UP WITH
it is basicly JUST like the thumbaround, but my index finger goes over the thumb ^^ go figure. -
Date: Tue, Apr 13 2010 05:02:18
ta rev took me a week to master. the thing i always did was curl my index finger up instead of pushing to my thumb. after i stopped doing that i got it right away ^^
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Date: Tue, Apr 13 2010 07:18:34
actually i personally think that learning the fingerless first helps because u then know the path the pen should make, and just slowly reduce the hand motions and guide it with the index finger until u can do it just by pushing the pen...
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Date: Tue, Apr 13 2010 11:58:32QUOTE (Json The Shoe @ Apr 13 2010, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>actually i personally think that learning the fingerless first helps because u then know the path the pen should make, and just slowly reduce the hand motions and guide it with the index finger until u can do it just by pushing the pen...
agreed, your hand would get used to the motion of the pen going around the thumb in the reverse direction making it easier for your hand to learn the TA rev. -
Date: Tue, Apr 13 2010 16:05:47QUOTE (Hippo2626 @ Apr 13 2010, 06:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>agreed, your hand would get used to the motion of the pen going around the thumb in the reverse direction making it easier for your hand to learn the TA rev.
and the same could be said for the normal TA, though i think really it just takes practice (as much as i hate to admit it...) -
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 00:22:01
yea the ta reverse was confusing to me at first because i couldn't get the motion right but all i did was have it do a reverse thumbspin instead of thumbaround so it was somewhat awkward for me to do it until i found out the real way to do it...
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Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 22:34:30
When i first started to get ta rev. and catching it right, i did ta and then ta rev, because i found that easier than just doing ta rev. I just needed to curl my finger in and have more momentum. I also watched ta harmonic in slow motion to see how ta rev was done. I forget what tut told me this but the index finger motion was like trying to scratch the back of the thumb. There isn't much motion involved at all. Hope that helps.
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Date: Thu, Apr 15 2010 01:40:43
personally agree with miyat, its like u have to curl ur index to touch the joint of the thumb\
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Date: Thu, Apr 15 2010 03:07:20
Can someone teach me how to push the pen properly?
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Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 18:25:00QUOTE (Stygium @ Apr 14 2010, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Can someone teach me how to push the pen properly?
Start from where you catch from thumbaround (writing position). Hold the pen with your thumb and middle finger and lift your index finger to the back of the pen and just give it a good enough tap so it goes around the thumb in the opposite direction of a thumbaround. Every now and then you will catch it and eventually you will be able to do it better. For me its more of a tap then a push. -
Date: Sat, Apr 17 2010 20:19:21
you curl ur index finger near the middle of the pen, You kind of squeeze the index finger to make the pen go in a circular motion. It gets hard, it took like a week with a modded pen to perform a TA reverse.
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Date: Thu, Apr 22 2010 06:46:01
I did everything in this thread and watched the videos. It still pisses me until now. Shadow is easier than this. :|
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Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 10:33:44
I was spinning TA about 8 years (and 2-3 other tricks) till I knew that there are other tricks...
Noob question: 1) If you master TA rev, do u do it like you do TA? I mean, do u do it as good and easily as TA normal?
I've been learning for a week (5 days). I can do it is sometimes, but not as perfect as I do the normal thumb around.
2) I can spin TA with any pen (non-symmetrical, ugly =p). Still I success doing the reverse only on pencil (long one and balanced). Does the shape of pen matters in TA rev? Or you can master the reverse such that u would be able to spin any pen? -
Date: Sat, Jun 5 2010 16:13:37
Ok, the TA rev is certainly harder than the normal TA but you should be able to do it perfectly without using a TA to start it off.
Either way, it should be fairly simple to learn with any pen even though longer pens help.
just practice a lot one day curling your finger as if you scratch the barrel of the pen, you can use hand motion to start you off or try a FL TA rev if its easier for you because it seems easier for me.