UPSB v3
General Discussion / Do you consider pen when judging "Difficulty"?
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 01:18:05
So if you saw two combos in the battlezone. Combo one is with a buster, and is slightly better, combo two is with non-metallic comssa, and is almost as good, but not quite.
Which do you vote for? I personally factor pen choice into "difficutly" of the combo, so the huge difference between NM comssa and buster makes me vote combo 2.
I'm curious if most people don't care though, because at that point there really is no reason to spin a lighter pen. -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 01:20:50
your poll sucks
you should have just made it Do you consider pen when judging "Difficulty"? Yes/No -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 01:21:00
I would vote for the better combo. If you want to spin a pencil and lose, it's your call I guess. This is like pokemon; although it is more impressive to beat a Mewtwo with a Pikachu, Mewtwo is still going to win most of the time.
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 01:21:35
No, I want to know who they'd actually vote for. Of course pen makes a combo moreor less difficult, that's not my question.
PS: Winner, i don't consider any pokemon analogies valid. lol -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 01:21:57
i don't, honestly. i think it's the spinner's choice if they want to inhibit themselves. whatever pen they choose should maximize their spinning abilities
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 01:30:01QUOTE (Shadowserpant @ Jan 8 2010, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i don't, honestly. i think it's the spinner's choice if they want to inhibit themselves. whatever pen they choose should maximize their spinning abilities
This is a valid point, it's just opinion i guess. that's why i'md oing a poll, to see how most people feel -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 01:35:39
This is really tough because in reality the choice of pen often factors into other fields.
But I think most people would vote for the 2nd combo since spinners like Ease and Sunrise wouldn't be popular if no one takes it in account.
I for one would also choose the 2nd combo, using the argument that you are giving yourself a handicap. Even though people spin light pens for a other reasons (to spin faster for instance) most spinners choose them to make difficult tricks even more difficult. -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 02:02:00
it depends on your community a lot, for some it matters for others it does not. for example in FPSB, you are shunned if you use a double cap or a heavy mod or anything besides RSVP MX or japanese mods. White mods are also frowned upon.
i am personally biased towards 3000f, i just love to see a nice smooth combo with it, especially if i involves infinity. -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 03:07:45
lol, that guy used pokemon to make his point but.. if u think like that.. pokemons can win or lose cause strenght, not beauty... so its not valid at all xD..
i would vote for second one just because i would think "oh, that guy got style".. sounds silly but its my opinion..
and if all ppl think like those who voted for 1st one, in future u might see all using the same mods.. (like is happenin in BRPSB, everyone wanst a buster, they all forgot about the lovely metal comssa) D: sad sad -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 03:07:51
This poll is really quite different from what the question is asking. I personally have a problem with busters unless your hand is huge.
Of course I factor in pen when judging difficulty. In my mind I would just be like "WOW that is so much harder with that INSERT LIGHT PEN HERE".
But when judging something like WT, I think pen just goes out the door, and difficulty is should only based upon the tricks. It just doesn't seem fair if you do factor in pen. -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 03:33:31QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 8 2010, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>it depends on your community a lot, for some it matters for others it does not. for example in FPSB, you are shunned if you use a double cap or a heavy mod or anything besides RSVP MX or japanese mods. White mods are also frowned upon.
i am personally biased towards 3000f, i just love to see a nice smooth combo with it, especially if i involves infinity.
waterfall is FPSB, and is one of FPSB's most famous and popular (i think it is but am not sure) and its a pretty good mod. It is double capped, sort of heavy, and it is all white.
controdicting everything you just said.
but generally i do agree, they do use light and onse-sided mods. -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 03:34:33
if you've been spinning a light pen for ages, then it's easier for you to do the combo with that pen (as opposed to one that is seen as easier to spin)
while the pen makes a difference to those viewing, to the one spinning, it may well be easier to use a 'hard to spin' mod. it's all relative ==
maybe consider kin/meteor. if you gave him a buster, would he be able to perform the same combo more consistently/easier than with his mx?
more a question of whether the spinner is using their main mod as opposed to another mod they aren't that comfortable with =/ -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 03:41:48QUOTE (i.suk.at.everything @ Jan 8 2010, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>if you've been spinning a light pen for ages, then it's easier for you to do the combo with that pen (as opposed to one that is seen as easier to spin)
while the pen makes a difference to those viewing, to the one spinning, it may well be easier to use a 'hard to spin' mod. it's all relative ==
maybe consider kin/meteor. if you gave him a buster, would he be able to perform the same combo more consistently/easier than with his mx?
more a question of whether the spinner is using their main mod as opposed to another mod they aren't that comfortable with =/
of course it's all relative, but it's communally accepted that an unmodded #2 pencil is harder to do power tricks than a buster. now give david weis a buster and could he spin it? I doubt it, but still, a pencil has a higher difficulty.
As you say, it takes someone who's been spinning a light pen "ages" to be able to be used to it. this alone proves it's harder -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 09:58:30
i would vote for the lighter pen to as a factor in deciding the difficulty factor
justified by doubling the extremities:
i would consider doing quadruple hai tua to aerial hai tua to bust x8 more difficult to do with a 3 cm pencil than a double length buster cyl^2
so, it would be +1 short pencil guy for the difficulty factor
but does it look more appealing than i-probably-do-bench-presses-with-that-thing spinning guy? thats a different story and catergory -
Date: Mon, Jan 11 2010 22:01:29
I add difficulty based on pen weight, but not creativity or style. Personally I think pen spinning should be about the best pen spinning, not the hardest, so I tend to favor those who do better tricks over those who do tricks that are more difficult based on pen weight.
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Date: Thu, Jan 14 2010 01:58:22
I consider the pen alot when judging for difficulty.
It's like a light mod spinner that has decent difficulty switch to a heavier mod (let's say ballsign to a KT) for a battle just to execute a combo for higher difficulty and pulls it off.
Now of course, switching from a ballsign to a KT, the ability to pull of harder tricks increase (smoothness probably increases as well?).
So yes, pens should be considered. (hope anyone understood my point)QUOTE (Kirby @ Jan 8 2010, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>waterfall is FPSB, and is one of FPSB's most famous and popular (i think it is but am not sure) and its a pretty good mod. It is double capped, sort of heavy, and it is all white.
controdicting everything you just said.
but generally i do agree, they do use light and onse-sided mods.
... How do you know he is not shunned upon... -
Date: Thu, Jan 14 2010 02:10:09
this is why... (straight of waterfall tut)
"A few days after, there was a gathering in France, and I decided to go there. Without any exception, everybody was fond of my mod. They called it "Waterfall mod" because I had this mod.... but I told them it wasn't really created by me >_<. The mod became really famous in France"
lol just kidding