UPSB v3
General Discussion / World Cup '10 - Round 1 - Results OUT!
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 18:09:13
Website: http://www.worldpenspinning.com/
Spoiler:
First round:
DOWNLOAD: http://upsb.info/WC10/R1/
All Vids Pack: http://upsb.info/WC10/R1/WC10R1.zip (RECOMMENDED)
Youtube Playlist: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0FD379CCDBB3A5D3
Group A
1. PSH VS KPSA- 1.1. Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, cLast (PSH) vs Crew (KPSA)
- 1.2. Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, twister (PSH) vs ZzaJae (KPSA)
- 1.3. Double 2vs2: Olii & cLear (PSH) vs Skydigital & Nia (KPSA)
KPSA wins 2-1.
2. JEB VS GPC- 2.1. Technical 1vs1: Speed, Sister_R (JEB) vs thumbskiller (GPC)
- 2.2. Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, HAL (JEB) vs Stuhl (GPC)
- 2.3. Double 2vs2: forever & Fire@fox (JEB) vs Minwoo & TheKOok (GPC)
GPC wins 2-1.
Group B
3. TWPS VS HKPSA- 3.1. Technical 1vs1: Control, Evolution (TWPS) vs kin (HKPSA)
- 3.2. Artistic 1vs1: Creativity, Darcy (TWPS) vs Wah (HKPSA)
- 3.3. Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs winky & Tony (HKPSA)
TWPS wins 2-1.
4. THPSC VS BPSC- 4.1. Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Voltaic (BPSC)
- 4.2. Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, BaiMai (THPSC) vs Knuckles (BPSC)
- 4.3. Double 2vs2: Dongza & 8 (THPSC) vs Littleboy & Gisele 8 (BPSC) => DRAW
THPSC wins 2.5-0.5.
Detailed results
Comments
Random themes screenshot
Themes drawn and revealed: January 9th, 2010.
Deadline to submit lineups: January 16th, 2010.
Deadline to submit videos: January 30th, 2010.
Judging Results: February 6th, 2010.
Good luck!
Spoiler:
Rosters and Groups
Rules -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 18:16:36
thpsc got difficulty.....no comment
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 18:19:29QUOTE (AyySoLo @ Jan 9 2010, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>thpsc got difficulty.....no comment
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 18:25:23
man thailand....
oh well, i don't mind watching there stuff, it just seems un fair
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 19:39:42
damn x)
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 20:11:02QUOTE (Gisele 8 @ Jan 9 2010, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>damn x)
good luck^^
i cant wait to see what you guys will come up with
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 20:47:48
is speed defined as fast spinning? because slow is a speed too ...
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Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 21:18:08QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jan 10 2010, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>is speed defined as fast spinning? because slow is a speed too ...
From Zombo's topic http://upsb.info/random/wc10rulesfinal.pdf
'Speed: A good speedy combo is fast and uses speed to enhance the appeal of the combo
and the tricks used.
Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njpj_uQXQOA (Dongza)' -
Date: Sat, Jan 9 2010 23:35:11
i think speed and aerials are good themes for us
but bpsc good luck to you guys ;D -
Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 00:35:10QUOTE (Jamie Enns @ Jan 9 2010, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
man thailand....
oh well, i don't mind watching there stuff, it just seems un fair
never saw a Thai spinner 2 handed though.
website is now up:
http://worldpenspinning.com/index.html -
Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 05:38:39
ooohh, jeb/gpc aerials
looking forward to that one, i <3 aerials
i dont get the spinless thing, even though i read the rule book and watched the exapmle vid -
Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 06:03:58QUOTE (k-ryder @ Jan 10 2010, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i dont get the spinless thing, even though i read the rule book and watched the exapmle vid
spinless tricks are quite obvious to notice, they are basically not your standard tricks with rotations in them, for example stalls and isolations.
the example i posted is not so good, perharps this is better:
00:02 to 00:08 has 3 spinless figures -
Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 06:11:05
Ah ok, I though it was no like "____spin" or shadows and stuff, like nothing that freely rotates, only arounds and such.
hmm, interesting -
Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 06:11:18QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 10 2010, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>never saw a Thai spinner 2 handed though.
baimai?
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Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 06:15:58QUOTE (i.suk.at.everything @ Jan 10 2010, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>baimai?
show his best 2h vid -
Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 06:54:10
oh...
It's very difficult for this challenge, but it will be over well.
THPSC Go !@!!!!! -
Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 11:33:46QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 10 2010, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>spinless tricks are quite obvious to notice, they are basically not your standard tricks with rotations in them, for example stalls and isolations.
the example i posted is not so good, perharps this is better:
Spoiler:
00:02 to 00:08 has 3 spinless figures
ya seen coulomb before? is he counted with spinless tricks? -
Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 16:25:26QUOTE (G.D.A.R @ Jan 10 2010, 06:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ya seen coulomb before? is he counted with spinless tricks?
what video -
Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 16:49:03
He is probably talking about his combo in Japen 4th (@ 0:39)
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Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 17:22:23
the entire first half of this combo is spinless (and very nice!) -
Date: Sun, Jan 10 2010 18:42:14
Reminds me of glowsticking. if PS and glowsticking kinda combined styles it'd be really really interesting, I think it could look cool.
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 10:34:02
WOW that will be fun =)
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Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 12:31:25
Uhh is this a spinless combo?:
Spoiler:
bin's combo from this CV -
Date: Wed, Jan 13 2010 19:09:31QUOTE (Yosky @ Jan 13 2010, 07:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Uhh is this a spinless combo?:
Spoiler:
bin's combo from this CV
no
I only see a few tipped sonics, passes and some arounds. There is absolute 0 elements of spinless figures in this. -
Date: Fri, Jan 15 2010 21:03:05
received:
hkpsa
twps
kpsa
thpsc
missing:
gpc
bpsc
jeb
psh
1 day left -
Date: Fri, Jan 15 2010 22:05:59
only missing JEB now
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Date: Fri, Jan 15 2010 22:20:31
Can you describe what you're suppose to do in the control theme?
Like does it have to do with smoothness and difficulty or something? or is it entirely something else?
I'm curious. -
Date: Fri, Jan 15 2010 22:35:12QUOTE (Wind @ Jan 15 2010, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Can you describe what you're suppose to do in the control theme?
Like does it have to do with smoothness and difficulty or something? or is it entirely something else?
I'm curious.
control is about appearing confident when spinning so yes its related with smoothness because if you're shaky all the time it doesn't look very controlled. also if you can make hard tricks look easy thats a sign of control.
also you must not be off-screen cuz that shows you can't keep your hand steady. -
Date: Fri, Jan 15 2010 22:36:07
Watch some videos from Skonix if you want to see 100% control
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Date: Sat, Jan 16 2010 16:05:55
lineups out:
Group A
1. PSH VS KPSA- 1.1. Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, cLast (PSH) vs Crew (KPSA)
- 1.2. Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, twister (PSH) vs ZzaJae (KPSA)
- 1.3. Double 2vs2: Olii & cLear (PSH) vs Skydigital & Nia (KPSA)
2. JEB VS GPC- 2.1. Technical 1vs1: Speed, Sister_R (JEB) vs thumbskiller (GPC)
- 2.2. Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, HAL (JEB) vs Stuhl (GPC)
- 2.3. Double 2vs2: forever & Fire@fox (JEB) vs Minwoo & TheKOok (GPC)
Group B
3. TWPS VS HKPSA- 3.1. Technical 1vs1: Control, Evolution (TWPS) vs kin (HKPSA)
- 3.2. Artistic 1vs1: Creativity, Darcy (TWPS) vs Wah (HKPSA)
- 3.3. Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs winky & Tony (HKPSA)
4. THPSC VS BPSC- 4.1. Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Voltaic (BPSC)
- 4.2. Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, BaiMai (THPSC) vs Knuckles (BPSC)
- 4.3. Double 2vs2: Dongza & 8 (THPSC) vs Littleboy & Gisele 8 (BPSC)
Deadline for videos: January 30, 2010.
Good luck! -
Date: Sun, Jan 17 2010 08:45:57QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 16 2010, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lineups out:
Group A
1. PSH VS KPSA- 1.1. Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, cLast (PSH) vs Crew (KPSA)
- 1.2. Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, twister (PSH) vs ZzaJae (KPSA)
- 1.3. Double 2vs2: Olii & cLear (PSH) vs Skydigital & Nia (KPSA)
2. JEB VS GPC- 2.1. Technical 1vs1: Speed, Sister_R (JEB) vs thumbskiller (GPC)
- 2.2. Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, HAL (JEB) vs Stuhl (GPC)
- 2.3. Double 2vs2: forever & Fire@fox (JEB) vs Minwoo & TheKOok (GPC)
Group B
3. TWPS VS HKPSA- 3.1. Technical 1vs1: Control, Evolution (TWPS) vs kin (HKPSA)
- 3.2. Artistic 1vs1: Creativity, Darcy (TWPS) vs Wah (HKPSA)
- 3.3. Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs winky & Tony (HKPSA)
4. THPSC VS BPSC- 4.1. Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Voltaic (BPSC)
- 4.2. Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, BaiMai (THPSC) vs Knuckles (BPSC)
- 4.3. Double 2vs2: Dongza & 8 (THPSC) vs Littleboy & Gisele 8 (BPSC)
Deadline for videos: January 30, 2010.
Good luck!
Oh !!!
4.3. Double 2vs2: Dongza & 8 (THPSC) vs Littleboy & Gisele 8 (BPSC)
so hard lol ^^
Goodluck Littleboy & Gisele 8 xD -
Date: Sun, Jan 17 2010 10:59:02QUOTE (8xTHPSC @ Jan 17 2010, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Oh !!!
4.3. Double 2vs2: Dongza & 8 (THPSC) vs Littleboy & Gisele 8 (BPSC)
so hard lol ^^
Goodluck Littleboy & Gisele 8 xD
hard for us too °A°
good luck thpsc ; )
ps: Go Darcy o/ -
Date: Sun, Jan 17 2010 18:34:14
predictions:
1. PSH VS KPSA
1.1. Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, cLast (PSH) vs Crew (KPSA): I don't know cLast but Crew is the best Korean spinner. He may not be the smoothest but he should win easily.
1.2. Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, twister (PSH) vs ZzaJae (KPSA): No idea who twister is, but ZzaJae is decent in spinless. Should win if there's no surprise.
1.3. Double 2vs2: Olii & cLear (PSH) vs Skydigital & Nia (KPSA): The korean duo will crush the chinese.
3-0 KPSA, but a PSH member made the bold prediction that PSH will win 2-1 because of poor KPSA lineup decisions. For example, Skydigital could have fit smoothness and Crew play Spinless.
2. JEB VS GPC
2.1. Technical 1vs1: Speed, Sister_R (JEB) vs thumbskiller (GPC): two spinners that are not naturally fast. I saw Sister_R videos and when he go fast with the MX, he seems to lose difficulty. It is important for both spinners not to push their speed too hard and lose in other aspects.
2.2. Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, HAL (JEB) vs Stuhl (GPC): I don't really know HAL in Aerials but Stuhl is a sure thing. Please note that the JEB lineup was decided 100% by the spinners themselves and no the manager, so HAL should be fairly confident in his abilities if he volunteered for this theme.
2.3. Double 2vs2: forever & Fire@fox (JEB) vs Minwoo & TheKOok (GPC): TheKOok is the third best spinner and Minwoo the best in Germany. They should be able to win.
1 for GPC, 2 unknown
Group B
3. TWPS VS HKPSA
3.1. Technical 1vs1: Control, Evolution (TWPS) vs kin (HKPSA): Poor decision from TWPS manager to put evolution in Control. I watched his last 3 FS, they're all off-screen and his hand is very shaky. kin is a master of control and will triumph here.
3.2. Artistic 1vs1: Creativity, Darcy (TWPS) vs Wah (HKPSA): No idea.
3.3. Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs winky & Tony (HKPSA): Incredible overkill duo by TWPS. They will be fun to watch but absolute waste of power to put your two best together when you could place x1213 in control.
1-1, 1 unknown
4. THPSC VS BPSC
4.1. Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Voltaic (BPSC): no chance for Voltaic
4.2. Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, BaiMai (THPSC) vs Knuckles (BPSC): Knuckles will win, unless BaiMai really improved his 2h.
4.3. Double 2vs2: Dongza & 8 (THPSC) vs Littleboy & Gisele 8 (BPSC): Dongza and Gisele will be compared for their speed, and Dongza is 1 or 2 notches above him. Littleboy is however BPSC's ace. Therefore the X factor in this match, and the whole battle, is 8. Nobody outside of THPSC knows him but they seem to like him a lot.
1-1, 1 unknown
as you can see, it is difficult to predict anything at this stage. too many unknown spinners and many tight matches. -
Date: Sun, Jan 17 2010 20:05:11
lol, wut u mean unknown, darcy will crash anyone in creativity
he has the funniest style in the whole world, with those killer inf -
Date: Sun, Jan 17 2010 20:11:37QUOTE (AyySoLo @ Jan 17 2010, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol, wut u mean unknown, darcy will crash anyone in creativity he has the funniest style in the whole world, with those killer inf
k
i dont relaly know him show me a vid -
Date: Thu, Jan 21 2010 13:16:03QUOTE (AyySoLo @ Jan 17 2010, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>lol, wut u mean unknown, darcy will crash anyone in creativity he has the funniest style in the whole world, with those killer inf
LOOOOOL OMFG
Zombo idk if you remember but at the gathering didn't ayysolo's infinities looked funny? It's bc he tried to copy darcy's style
Darcy +1 -
Date: Thu, Jan 21 2010 21:50:22QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 17 2010, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>k
i dont relaly know him show me a vid
">
He was in the AC'08 and IIRC you even posted a video of him on the Asian Cup channel on youtube O.o
Oh here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYiEjzyLuMo -
Date: Thu, Jan 21 2010 23:08:00
that channel is not mine
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Date: Thu, Jan 21 2010 23:13:20
Darcy will destroy. Is there any recent videos of him spinning? o.o
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Date: Thu, Jan 21 2010 23:35:46
this world cup will see the breakout of the double format, so many battles will be decided by the doubles they will no choice but to improve on it, even though double transition is only a minor element in judging.
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Date: Sat, Jan 23 2010 20:48:19
Videos are due next week saturday
maybe you should start hunting for videos already lol -
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 02:09:29
i dont agree with the speed criteria. it should be changed so that both fast pace and slow paced combos are taken into account. an
extremely slow combo should be marked highly.
s777:
http://www.youtube.com/user/penspinner777#p/u/6/ui-1qPNRKO0
try downloading the vid and speeding it up, it looks terrible. It only looks good when its slow paced. its like playing a song with 60 bpm,
at like 150 its wrong. -
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 06:16:32QUOTE (neoknux_009メMT @ Jan 23 2010, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>i dont agree with the speed criteria. it should be changed so that both fast pace and slow paced combos are taken into account. an
extremely slow combo should be marked highly.
s777:
http://www.youtube.com/user/penspinner777#p/u/6/ui-1qPNRKO0
try downloading the vid and speeding it up, it looks terrible. It only looks good when its slow paced. its like playing a song with 60 bpm,
at like 150 its wrong.
speed is not a criteria, it's a theme.
one match has as this theme of speed and you're supposed to spin fast. dont put a slow spinner there, that's obvious. teams have to pick their spinners and put them in the appropriate spots. could there have been a theme named "slow spinning"? sure, but there isn't. -
Date: Sun, Jan 24 2010 10:38:11
@zombo
sounds solid.
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alright cant wait to see some of the tag matches. JEB vs GPC tag match cant WAIT! -
Date: Thu, Jan 28 2010 20:43:17
videos are due in 2 days
might find a few already -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 06:56:24
WOW CREW'S VIDEO
He really had smoothness with all those spreads damn its gonna be a hell of a year and a cup -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 14:35:01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSrYGBOd-70
supawit127
KPSA tag(but it's set to private)
http://www.youtube.com/videos?ytsession=Y1...hm5E5F8cpUG0B64 -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 16:08:27
vs voltaic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwpskIsC5tM
TWPS vids:
TWPS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKNYhX2BpvY >> Darcy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARphQ9rYdsM >> Evolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgVOnWPefCE >> BaoO & x1213 -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 17:13:14
Wow, I think Evo missed the point of control ... IMO there shouldn't be any power tricks in a control battle ... the pen flying through the air =/= control lol ...
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Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 17:52:59QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jan 30 2010, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wow, I think Evo missed the point of control ... IMO there shouldn't be any power tricks in a control battle ... the pen flying through the air =/= control lol ...
control has nothing to do with the tricks, its how you do them... if you can do power tricks effortlessly with poise without going off-screen, then use them... -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 17:54:28
GPC:
Minwoo & KoOK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2Tks0PvTa4
thumbskiller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsY7Fr88qR4
Stuhl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjCy9vGUg-M
videos are private.
i think we will public them around 8! -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 18:01:05
i'm saying that no matter how well you can do them, i don't think an aerial can fit into 'control', because you literally have no control over it if it's not in your hands ...
just my opinion though -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 18:04:18
then you look at the control of the landing (which is actually pretty hard to control) and the launch
and the path the pen makes in the air is something you can control through your launch, if you make a bad throw, its gonna be hard to catch -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 18:07:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwpskIsC5tM
Voltaic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWAVRUHPiZk
Knuckles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfh8ItlD9q8
Gisele8 x Littleboy
Public!
Go Belgium =') GL Thpsc -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 20:08:31QUOTE (Stuhl @ Jan 30 2010, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>GPC:
Minwoo & KoOK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2Tks0PvTa4
thumbskiller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsY7Fr88qR4
Stuhl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjCy9vGUg-M
videos are private.
i think we will public them around 8!
these are public now, so I put JEB online
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WotckWxQs8A (HAL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjVD4-mZWkg (Sister_R)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgJUxGbdWcE (forever & Fire@fox)
since TWPS is live, HKPSA is now live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu7hPdZEHDw kin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfuJGxLTJb8 Wah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZtdNeg5DDw winky & Tony
new link for hkpsa double: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZtdNeg5DDw -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 22:17:07
Cool combos so far!
Kin's MX + spinning O.O
I don't think JEB did very well :/ -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 22:50:32
psh
tag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKtcUDuGvPY
spinless http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHni1tVxGg
smoothness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtodUiE9Fbw -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 22:52:16
PSH:
cLear Olii tag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKtcUDuGvPY
twister spinless http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHni1tVxGg
cLast smoothness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtodUiE9Fbw
vs
KPSA:
Crew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azsolYsF0Cs
ZzaJae http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t2qUP5xr24
Skydigital & Nia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEz_kjEBbLs -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 23:05:17
Still no news about THPSC's Combos?
Waw guys, a lot of awesome combos =)
Putting themes was a good idead for making the videos better and better. -
Date: Sat, Jan 30 2010 23:56:46
i think THPSC will come in 3-4 hours when they wake up:
this is playlist for all WC10 vids so vfar
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0FD379CCDBB3A5D3 -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 02:33:36
hm big mistake from KPSA manager to put Zzajae into spinless instead of nia.
and yea.. Littleboy is a god
oh, JEB has nothing on GPC. >=D -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 02:50:18
RRRRRAAAWWWWRRRR!!!! i'm feeling trembles of epic
JEB vs GPC = the best battles i've seen in months!!
Stuhl absolutely demolished HAL in aerials.... sosmoothe... sopro... i'm amazed by stuhl's aerials, the control was as if he had string attached to them
the doubles match was awesome, forever with 3p1h (WTF?) and really, really, really, REALLY slick editing by minwoo
with editing like that, he could probably make killings in the media industry
.. never the less, amazing doubles match
sister r might win that battle, depends if the judges count that first part of thumbskiller's combo or not
but GPC will win this one coutesy of Stulh and Minwoo/KoOk
twister's spinless was amazing as well
darcy once again surprises us with unique technique
... can't comment on the other spinners, Stulh blew my mind too much -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 03:14:50
loved minwoo and KoOk's tag. Creative and just simply magnificent.
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Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 03:25:07
Crew's combo isn't that smooth IMO. too many direction changes and just not that smooth in general.
skydigital & nia were so good! damn, innovative transfer and very good combos especially nia
forever has pretty wicked inv shadows
HAL's aerials were nicely done. very solid.
sister_r's combo was not that enjoyable. kinda jerky and not very pleasing to the eyes. but i guess it fits the theme
supawit owned voltaire ._.
BaoO's aerial was awesome. I replayed it like 5 times. the rest was meh. not really a fan of x1213... -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 04:19:09
darcy vs. wah is up for grabs IMO
Evo dumbed it down for control, but kin still has better control
baoO and x1213 raped Tony and winky -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 05:00:11
HKPSA and TWPS is an epic battle.
BaoO and x1213 super duo. Awesome.
Kin's combo was just fascinating, it was very smooth. Evolution as always has great difficulty but I think Kin got this one.
Darcy and wah is probably the deciding match for these two teams.
JEB did very good. More than what I was expecting.
Minwoo/koOK was just very creative. I was speechless. Forever/fire@fox had nice transitions and combos but I think GPC got doubles for this
Stuhl was just amazing. Completely dominated HAL with those aerials. I never seen those trianglepass done so smoothly before.
I'm not sure about sister_r's and thumbskiller. They both looked equal to me. I hope the judges will look over what he did in the beginning -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 06:50:13
still didn't receive THPSC videos
if any thai know what's going on please contact us -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 07:00:55QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 30 2010, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>still didn't receive THPSC videos
if any thai know what's going on please contact us
here's baimai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deZOjgmJNjs&feature=sub
tag were 8 and..? lemme see -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 07:02:21QUOTE (Frip @ Jan 31 2010, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
dongza and 8
thanks, was that made public just now? cuz i checked before and baimai had nothing -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 07:17:06QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 31 2010, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>dongza and 8
thanks, was that made public just now? cuz i checked before and baimai had nothing
o_O i saw it this morning ..
but no clue about dongza -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 07:20:21QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 30 2010, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>PSH:
cLear Olii tag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKtcUDuGvPY
twister spinless http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHni1tVxGg
cLast smoothness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtodUiE9Fbw
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KPSA:
Crew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azsolYsF0Cs
ZzaJae http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t2qUP5xr24
Skydigital & Nia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEz_kjEBbLs
twister vs ZzaJae
twister put various spinless moves in his combo so he definitely has spiness theme in his combo but in my opinion in is "pen spinning" so to much spinless moves will be bad and the overall spinning of the pen is more important. So in my opinion twister had more spinless moves but in overall spinning Zzajae had better combo.
cLast vs Crew
definition of smoothness is "in execution of tricks there is no delay or stopness" so in my opinion both spinners did very well expressing the theme but again overall spinning wise crew crushed cLast especially they had a simliar finish but crew crushed him with the last set of finish.
tag
psh tag
very nice. i like it a lot. i thought it was one combo per person i guess i was wrong. i think it is oill who had lots of flying tricks very impressive but i think too much of the same moves took a lots of time out .
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Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 09:26:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxahmIrW64A
Dongza and 8 -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 15:01:02QUOTE (Joshy @ Jan 31 2010, 02:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>twister vs ZzaJae
twister put various spinless moves in his combo so he definitely has spiness theme in his combo but in my opinion in is "pen spinning" so to much spinless moves will be bad and the overall spinning of the pen is more important. So in my opinion twister had more spinless moves but in overall spinning Zzajae had better combo.
cLast vs Crew
definition of smoothness is "in execution of tricks there is no delay or stopness" so in my opinion both spinners did very well expressing the theme but again overall spinning wise crew crushed cLast especially they had a simliar finish but crew crushed him with the last set of finish.
tag
psh tag
very nice. i like it a lot. i thought it was one combo per person i guess i was wrong. i think it is oill who had lots of flying tricks very impressive but i think too much of the same moves took a lots of time out .
i think crew won but others it can go both ways.
thx for the comments
psh vs kpsa
cLast vs Crew
yes, i definetely agree with you that Crew has overall much higher difficulty and better finisher. But as many people said, his smoothness isn't that great with a few execution error. cLast's combo was low on difficulty, not much power tricks, but it was well executed. For this battle i'm not surprised if either one wins. (Crew probably stand a higher chance, i agree with that)
Twister vs ZzaJae
ZzaJae had many interesting ideas and performed with high difficulty. However, again the execution were not that great. Spinless in my opinion is all about the effect, so how those tricks look when you do them. From this aspect, Twister should stand a better chance of winning.
Tag
KPSA tag was very strong, with sky's smoothness and nia's hardcore power tricks. However, the length of the combo were really short, especially with nia, his combo in total is barely over 10 seconds limit. I would not be surprised if either team wins
so..i have similar opinion as Joshy, XD, i think Twister should win the spinless battle, the other two battles can go both ways
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finished my role as PSH organizer...
THPSC was awesome, when Littleboy showed me their tag, i thought they gonna destroy dongza and 8, but now i have to rethink. Dongza put on a very impressive combo, and our mystery star 8 also had a good performance. But i still think 8 should zoom out his camera a bit, XD... This tag battle is close in my opinion
And good job BaiMai my friend, everybody thought Thai would get crushed on 2H theme, but baimai put on a really impressive 2H1P show, very well done
Knuckles combo was also great, consists of 1h2p, 2h1p, and 2h2p. And lol, i heard his mods got stolen a few days before the film, haha
TWPS vs HKPSA
Darcy BLEW MY MIND ONCE AGAIN...i learned infinity from his tutorial, this time, he's combo was just WOWOWOW
x1213 and BaoO‘s tag was sweet even though there was nothing new, it's like how they normally do it.
oh, and meteor just rocks yo!!
GPC vs JEB
this is my favourite tag battle, GPC's 40 sec each combo was definetely stunning, and minwoo, plz tell me you inversed the video right? cuz if u actually used left hand....i'm going to give up pen spinning yo. JEB tag was awesome, too. Many sweet mini combos, loved FireFox soooooo much!! Very close battle here.
as to speed, Sister_R sticked to the theme more, very nice direction changes, very nice
and aerial, stuhl is godly.... -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 16:28:23
website updated: http://worldpenspinning.com/poolone.html http://worldpenspinning.com/pooltwo.html
I STRONGLY recommend watching the videos by downloading them http://upsb.info/WC10/R1/WC10R1.zip http://upsb.info/WC10/R1/
Judging deadline is February 6th, so they should be posted by the next day. We reserve the right to extend judging period if necessary.
Furthermore, themes for ROUND 2 will be posted February 6th.
post your analysis, reactions, comments, predictiosn here. -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 17:00:11QUOTE (Zombo @ Jan 31 2010, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>post your analysis, reactions, comments, predictiosn here.
This isn't official though right? like when a board makes their decision they shouldn't post the results here should they? -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 17:10:11QUOTE (strat1227 @ Jan 31 2010, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This isn't official though right? like when a board makes their decision they shouldn't post the results here should they?
no i meant personal opinions -
Date: Sun, Jan 31 2010 20:20:13
The combos for world cup always seem to dominate those of the world tournament...I think its the motivation of having your community rely on you to make a good combo lol.
Stuhl + Twister had to be the best this roundQUOTE (hoiboy @ Jan 30 2010, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>baoO and x1213 raped Tony and winky
uhhhh....not at all???QUOTE (SJ @ Jan 30 2010, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>sister_r's combo was not that enjoyable. kinda jerky and not very pleasing to the eyes. but i guess it fits the theme
jerky xD? I thought those were stylized directional changes lol...but maybe thats just me. I enjoyed the combo anyways lolQUOTE (SJ @ Jan 30 2010, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>BaoO's aerial was awesome. I replayed it like 5 times.
I kno lol that was just so fucking awesome.QUOTE (Joshy @ Jan 31 2010, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>twister vs ZzaJae
twister put various spinless moves in his combo so he definitely has spiness theme in his combo but in my opinion in is "pen spinning" so to much spinless moves will be bad and the overall spinning of the pen is more important. So in my opinion twister had more spinless moves but in overall spinning Zzajae had better combo.
idk lol...I'm a big fan of Zzajae myself but I'm pretty sure he got raped this round....
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Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 03:06:50
1. PSH vs KPSA
* 1.1. Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, cLast (PSH) vs Crew (KPSA) Crew's video didn't fit the theme at all imo, but his difficulty should be enough to give him the win.
* 1.2. Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, twister (PSH) vs ZzaJae (KPSA) twister has this one for having more spinless stuff, Zzajae could have done a lot better.
* 1.3. Double 2vs2: Olii & cLear (PSH) vs Skydigital & Nia (KPSA) Tough one, I'm going give it to Skydigital and Nia even though I preferred Olii and cLear's tag.
2. JEB vs GPC
* 2.1. Technical 1vs1: Speed, Sister_R (JEB) vs thumbskiller (GPC) thumbskiller really doesn't have any chance imo. Sister_R fit the theme better and had far better execution and smoothness.
* 2.2. Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, HAL (JEB) vs Stuhl (GPC) Stuhl dominated.
* 2.3. Double 2vs2: forever & Fire@fox (JEB) vs Minwoo & TheKOok (GPC) Minwoo the TheKOok's tag was pretty cool but it wasn't executed very well. forever and Fire@fox needed better transitions, though they had nice combos. I predict that the JEB duo has this one.
3. TWPS vs HKPSA
* 3.1. Technical 1vs1: Control, Evolution (TWPS) vs kin (HKPSA) If kin doesn't win I'm going to be
* 3.2. Artistic 1vs1: Creativity, Darcy (TWPS) vs Wah (HKPSA) I didn't find Wah's very creative and he had a small mistake, Darcy is probably going to win this.
* 3.3. Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs winky & Tony (HKPSA) I think BaoO and x1213 could have done a lot better but their overall better execution will likely make them the winners. Also, I don't really like Tony :\
4. THPSC vs BPSC
* 4.1. Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Voltaic (BPSC) Bad round for Voltaic, he got wrecked pretty hard.
* 4.2. Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, BaiMai (THPSC) vs Knuckles (BPSC) I liked Knuckle's a lot more because he showed many more aspects of two handed spinning than BaiMai but in terms of winning, it's going to be really close. I'm undecided on this one.
* 4.3. Double 2vs2: Dongza & 8 (THPSC) vs Littleboy & Gisele 8 (BPSC) Gisele8's transition to Littleboy was pretty terrible, he just moved his hand offscreen >.> Dongza and 8 will win this one. -
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 07:02:22
Round 1 Analysis:
As the co-organizer, my biggest fear coming into this competition was the language barrier. In particular, how the rules (especially themes) were to be understood. After seeing the first round videos, I must admit that I am pleased that our hard work and the extra time we took in designing and explaining the rules paid off. I think every spinner made an effort to comply with the theme as much as they can, even if it might not be something they are comfortable with. I believe that themes, combined with the double format, have provided us with a greater variety of pen spinning videos than standard competition can. In particular, it has allowed us to see how teams that are not used to certain aspects of PS react when they have to handle it and see whether they can overcome their weaknesses. Without themes, I don't think we would have seen an THPSC two-hand combo, a PSH spinless combo or a TWPS creativity combo.
In the next round, the theme "Body & Environment" will be drawn for sure, so this should provide us with some interesting videos as well. Variety will also be drawn and that should provide us with combos that are "spam-free" with a wide array of tricks and linkages.
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1. PSH VS KPSA
1.1. Technical 1vs1: Smoothness, cLast (PSH) vs Crew (KPSA): First let's take a look at the combos in general. It is pretty obvious that technically speaking Crew is miles above cLast. He's able to link power tricks consistently. In particular I really like the sequence at :11 where after a pinkybak he turns his hand around and does a little aerial caught beautifully at the pinky, using his wrist as support. cLast makes a fairly standard combo, no highlight but no mistake either. There is nice short sequence which uses an inverse shadow I believe starting at :06 but what follows is a little bit repetitive. The finish is very clean, I like it. So I think if this was a straight-up battle, Crew wins quite convincingly
Now the catch is that the theme is smoothness and in that regards, cLast is smoother than Crew. But I believe the reason cLast is smoother is because he uses simpler tricks and standard linkages that can be smoothed very well. Crew is not as smooth because he has a lot of aerial tricks that are difficult to catch, which interrupts his flow a lot. Furthermore he loses a bit of rhythm in his finisher and loses smoothness there (:18). There is also a TF Charge at :04 that could be rounded a bit better.
Should Crew be penalized for not respecting the theme as well as cLast? Yes. Does it significantly affect the overall value of his combo? No. Therefore he deserves to win. Smoothness is one of the most fundamental properties of pen spinning and it is probably the only theme KPSA could have gotten away with not respecting completely because it is almost a base requirement of any combo to be decently smooth, so it's hard to disrespect completely this theme. Winner: Crew.
1.2. Artistic 1vs1: Spinless, twister (PSH) vs ZzaJae (KPSA): First of all twister's combo is really awesome. I think all the spinless elements fit well in the combo except maybe the two-hand move at :19 after changing pen. I thought it would have been better to keep the flow going after changing pen to really push it. Because I think changing the pen gave a lot of momentum but it's killed by the stall and then it ends very flat.
The execution is a little bit off however; the transitions in and out of the spinless tricks take too long or not stable. Especially the ones at :14 and :21, I don't think he's really sure of what he's doing. Overall I really enjoyed the combo it was interesting to watch.
ZzaJae's combo was fairly uneventful. The introduction leading to the stall is very basic. The spinless elements were all grouped together as one section of the combo, which is appropriate I think in this situation because they are stalls which stop the flow completely. You can then use this break to enhance the tempo of the rest of the combo without stopping again. The problem like I said, is that the intro into the stall is really nothing special. I would have liked to see a big start to immediately catch the attention then pause it and resume again. That would have generated a bigger effect. Now the stalls itself are nothing really new but they are very well executed, much better than twister IMO. Very little time wasted and no hesitation. But their artistic value is quite lower than twister. I really like the "pop" out of the arm roll :08. I thought that looked really sweet. The rest of combo is ok, but I did like finishing swivel a lot with the emphatic put-back to the other hand. That really hit the nail. Unfortunately, there wasn't much to drive at: I think this combo really lacked a good intro.
So I think this match mostly revolve around the theme: the quality of twister's spinless elements vs the execution of ZzaJae's stall. I consider structural problems by both combos (lack of finisher vs lack of intro) to be mostly equivalent, maybe slightly more disadvantageous to ZzaJae. In this case, I believe the variety of different situations in which twister managed to fit in spinless elements should overcome their execution faults. Winner: Twister.
1.3. Double 2vs2: Olii & cLear (PSH) vs Skydigital & Nia (KPSA): To me, what separates a double from simply 2 solo combos is the interplay between the two spinners. By interplay I mean not only have interaction between the spinners (through transfers) but also their ability in forming one cohesive whole. This includes finding ways to integrate two different styles, the weaknesses and strengths of each spinner even their camera angle. The saying "Greater than the sum of its parts" makes a lot of sense in doubles: the two combos, when viewed separately may be good, but when they are put together they are suddenly great. In this battle, I see the perfect example of a double video which is "Greater than the sum of its parts" against a double video which is "Less than the sum of its parts".
Take Skydigital & Nia for example. First Skydigital's combo is awesome: it starts very strong with a nice hybrid that goes 23-12-24-12 into a bust which flows amazingly well. Really sweet. All this momentum is stopped appropriately by a nice counter (:04) which stands out a lot and is perfectly executed. The only blemish is the loss of control at :08. The transfer at :14 to me could not have happened at a better moment: Skydigital already showed sufficient skill and continuing would have dragged the combo. The transfer itself I thought is fairly simple but efficient. But the real beauty of the transfer is its purpose. We've just seen a very beautiful, linkage-oriented combo and the unconventional elbow grab prepares us for the totally different world that Nia is going to bring us. This creates the perfect link between the two styles offered. The advantage then is that by seeing two different styles in such a short time, it makes us think that we've seen a lot more material than the short time of the combo lead us to believe. The excellent transfer makes all of it possible by providing a cohesive bridge. Now Nia's combo itself is pretty interesting because of the stall elements introduced. The most impressive is the wrist/hand around :20, but also the way the pen falls from the back of the open hand at :18. My only complaint for Nia would have been to expand the finisher a little bit more and show us even more variety to what we've seen through power tricks. IMO this double is really great because when you look at it as a whole, it is much better than its individual combos.
Now on the other side you have examples of what not to do in doubles. Olii is clearly a better finisher than cLear yet he is the one starting the video. Because of this he makes a really sweet power combo but ends it normally like he would any combo and has to stop the flow to let cLear do his part. The impact of his finisher would have been much greater had it been at the very end of the video. The other thing is I don't understand why there was a transition at :06. cLear barely did anything before passing back to Olii. It looks so unbalanced because Olii just did a very difficult continuous introduction and then resumes with a hard finisher. But the first time we see cLear he only does minor tricks and it doesn't leave us a good impression. Because his "intervention" is squeezed between high difficulty tricks by Olii, it makes cLear look really bad. It really wasn't well balanced. I think it would have been a better idea if Olii slowed down his intro before transferring, then cLear starts strong when the pen gets to him, and then slows down before passing back to Olii who resumes strong. It would have been more balanced. Now like I said the 2nd transfer to cLear was not really appropriate because of the finishing-style moves by Olii but also because the pen does not follow the correct path (it was at the bottom of screen, appears at the top after). cLear's combo is pretty good actually and has some difficult tricks but because we've already seen Olii's difficult tricks, their impact is not as good. I really liked the part at :32-:34 though. Finally, the final synchronized sequence makes no sense at all. The combo is cut for no reason and after the blink effect, cLear starts a totally different spot, goes off-screen because of the split. The only thing that looks good is the palm spin but the whole split-screen was just confusing. There was no continuity at all. Therefore this is a situation where if you look at both combos separately, they both look good, but together they make not much sense.
Winner: Skydigital & Nia.
KPSA should win this 2-1, there's not much debate to be had over any of the matches. The closest may be twister vs ZzaJae.
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2. JEB VS GPC
2.1. Technical 1vs1: Speed, Sister_R (JEB) vs thumbskiller (GPC): To me this battle is not even close. thumbskiller drops after 2 seconds. Now it's not supposed to be in the combo, but when the first thing you see is failure, it does not leave a good taste for the rest of the combo. The combo itself is not that memorable. It's well executed but nothing special. I liked the direction change at :12 but I didn't like the "charge" at :15. Presumably it is to set up the finisher but the direction change could have been avoided.
Sister_R's combo was really sweet. Right from the start, you see that every fingers get multiple touches on the pen in less than 1 second. To me that establishes the pace of the combo very early and enhances the speed of what's coming. Many of the simpler tricks are well stylized with hand motions to make them look more polished, such as charge 34. All the numerous direction changes and very short tricks seem to create artificial speed, which is really appropriate for the theme. I particular I really like the sequence at around :14. All the hand movements are very precise and rhythmic, which yet again sets faster tempo than what the combo really is.
Just overall and with the theme, Sister_R wins this one hands down. Winner: Sister_R.
2.2. Artistic 1vs1: Aerials, HAL (JEB) vs Stuhl (GPC): Wow, stunning combo from Stuhl. So many interesting ideas and so well executed. It starts with the bomb of 2p2h aerials. To be able to have both pens mirror their trajectory in the air, that takes very precise launches. I also really liked the two pass of the arm around the pen at :06. It kind of sends the message "This is not magic, the pen is not held by strings" similar to what magicians do when they do the levitation trick, because the pen is seriously flying in this video. Finally, the killer move has to be the two-handed triangle pass ending in an aerial at :16. Just insane. My only complaints may be is that towards the middle :13 the pen stops too long. In particular I don't like the half-tap. I think it should have been removed since it has no use (the pen is DC). Also I think the really slow speed is appropriate but I find it difficult to concentrate for a long time when the pen is too slow. Maybe his combos should be shorter next time (which is tough because it's slow!).
HAL in my opinion had a weak cohesion to the theme. I don't think he's really comfortable with that theme and only used aerials where it is the most commonly used, which is in the finish. There were other tricks throughout the combos that had some air on it, but it really was not obvious (maybe because of angle). Nevertheless, it is a solid combo of a totally different style. The execution is perfect.
IMO, the theme is the main factor here. Stuhl was dominant in that aspect and deserves the win. Winner: Stuhl.
2.3. Double 2vs2: forever & Fire@fox (JEB) vs Minwoo & TheKOok (GPC): To me, this battle was more lost by JEB than won by GPC. JEB decided to split their combo into lots of minicombos, each presenting a different style. It starts with some weird looking fingerstucking hybrids and infinities, to smooth linkage combos, 3p1h, inverse shadows and power tricks. That's great, it shows they put a lot of thought into making a video together where they can show as much diversity as possible by assigning different aspects of PS to each spinner. The problem is that the whole mostly incoherent. The transitions are bad. The first was OK but a bit bland; the second one was really weird because suddenly fire@fox has 3 pens in his hand for no reason when it was already established he had one; should have came up with a better way to introduce those 3 pens instead of just suddenly popping out. Finally the last transition is the most obvious mistake: there was no transition! forever throws the pen and it instantly becomes part of some finisher by fire@fox with no explanation why. The second problem is the poor execution. Look at :02 when getting the fingers out, that's sloppy. forever's first combo is not super smooth either. So is the 3p1h. To me that's unacceptable because they are minicombos. You're only filming 5-10 seconds at a time, if you fail it's easier to repeat. The longer your combo is, the harder it is to execute it. It's unacceptable to fail the first minicombo by Fire@fox when it's just 8 seconds to repeat. To have this many mistakes is not normal.
GPC could have probably done a regular double mistake-free and won but they did something way more ambitious. You really gotta respect them for even trying something like that, because it is really risky. The preparations for a split combo like that must be immense. Spinners already have their hands full (literally) worrying about their combo, now they have to think about timing it, counting the off-time to know when to bring a new pen back. Furthermore, think about each transition: when filming they must be throwing their pen somewhere. Is it caught with their other hand? Does it just fall on the table? So they have to worry about things happening off-screen while still keeping track of what they have to do on-screen. That's a huge amount of work, give them a lot of credits for that. Now for the final product they manage to put, I think it's mixed bag. Minwoo made an awesome combo which pretty much on par with what he is capable of doing, but TheKOok combo is weak in comparison, it didn't have many defining features. So it's kinda biased towards Minwoo and people will probably tend to ignore the right side. The other thing is that some transfers look really sweet, like first one (when I first looked at it, I thought the pen was floating "over" the middle of the screen!) but some are not so good, where the pen is sent and there's a huge delay before it arrives on the other side. I would have liked to see more variation on the transfers too: pen rolls, etc. Maybe there should have been some sequences where BOTH pens are at the same side. I think that would have been a nice idea to allow the spinner to focus on one side for a short time. All in all it's a good first attempt, and I expect more split videos like that in the future rounds.
Winner: Minwoo & TheKOok.
I would be very surprised if GPC does not win this 2-1 exactly.
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Here's the funny thing: group A was considered the harder of the two groups, yet the battles of the second group seem more tightly contested than the first.
3. TWPS VS HKPSA
3.1. Technical 1vs1: Control, Evolution (TWPS) vs kin (HKPSA): To me there's no doubt that kin wins here. Overall, I think both combos show similar level of execution. Evolution makes no mistake at all and show great mastery of power tricks. The swivel especially is really nice. Very straightforward and clean combo. kin also makes no mistakes at all but his combo is much more well-rounded than Evolution. It has great linkages, shows a wider variety of tricks and most importantly it is better controlled. Evolution's control is impressive but you can still see some hesitation in the finisher, going slightly off-screen. I think the finisher and the backarounds could have been more "tighter" to minimize hand movement and achieve better control. On the other side, kin is just amazing. Always in the center of the screen no matter the difficulty of the tricks, pen just seems to be spinning around the hand. Very stable hand position during the inverse shadows, no need at all to reposition to achieve a better spin there. The only slight mistake may be the bust at the end that goes a little too down.
Winner: kin.
3.2. Artistic 1vs1: Creativity, Darcy (TWPS) vs Wah (HKPSA): Ok now this is an interesting battle because it does raise some questions on what creativity means. According to the rules it is:QUOTECreativity: A creative combo will explore new concepts and tricks. It will show
surprising and innovative new ideas for the first time. It will also show ideas and tricks
used in new situations.
In that regards, Darcy's combo is certainly creative. His new ideas are not based on established pen spinning knowledge, which seems to have thrown some people off and rejecting it. But in my opinion, using other forms of manipulations and using them in pen spinning is also a form of creativity. It takes some imagination to be able to take techniques from glowsticking and contact juggling and reason about how they could be used in PS. To me, this is exactly what Darcy do. He borrowed elements of isolation in freehand glowsticking and applied it to pen spinning. Most notably at :07, we can see an example of "walking the pen". He also put a lot of effort in executing those new ideas. In order to obtain full effect, those manipulations require very precise hand and finger motions as well as awareness of the camera angle. The two-handed fingerpass at :03 looks impressive because of the way the hands move around the pen, but also because it was setup by a slower moving element before it. The other impressive element is at :08 which required complete control of the timing of the hand rotations. If the hands did not rotate at the correct speed, the rhythmic effect would have been ruined.
Now Darcy was very smart with the way he structured this combo. He knew that what's more impressive than simply showing new ideas is to be able to link to ordinary tricks so that it gives motivation to people to learn those new concepts and integrate in their own combos. This is why the second half of his combo is more "ordinary". The problem however is that his execution is awful. I think he got carried away with the creative mentality and started putting hand motions that make the combo look worse. The whole section :12-:18 just looks stupid with all the arm and hand shaking and we can't really see anything. After that it gets a little bit better though but still the tricks shown are below average. The ending was kind nice. Dragging one tip of the pen along the floor kind of reminds us that the pen is indeed a writing instrument. *Ending is cut off in youtube, download the video*
Wah's combo is nothing spectacular. There were a couple of nice tricks, like the palmspin sequence at the end. I liked the idea of closing the free hand at :05. It expands the idea of how to use the non-spinning hand to enhance the look of the combo (which I discussed during WT09 about Minwoo). By closing the hand while bringing the pen to a full stop, it really enhances the visual effect of closing that section of the combo, which looks really nice. The other creative element I suppose is the open hand turning of the pen and the arm roll. Unfortunately they're not anything really interesting or unique. Furthermore the combo suffers from some execution problems at a few locations.
All in all, you gotta give respect to Darcy for making a gutsy move. Because his opponent didn't do so well, Darcy should win on creativity alone even though the skill level of his "real" PS tricks is very low. Winner: Darcy.
3.3. Double 2vs2: BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) vs winky & Tony (HKPSA): winky & Tony didn't do a bad job at all. The structure of the double was fine: winky tried to go with more subtle elements and then pass it on to Tony for the big finish, which makes sense. The only problem with winky's combo is that it looks boring. For some reason we just don't feel any intensity in the way he spins. It doesn't build up any kind of momentum. I'm not really sure why, but I think the way he executes certain tricks just doesn't look good. Maybe for instance his arounds should be done closer to the COP to get a more even rotation. Sometimes it just seems like his pen won't "obey" him and doesn't rotate as much as he wants. The pen seems to slow down very fast after his pushes. It might have also something to do with his mod which is not very good-looking. The palm-spin transfer idea was pretty cool but it should have been set up better.
As soon as Tony takes over you get a huge boost of energy which is a bit startling considering winky's boring style. In that regards, maybe they Tony should have started slower to ease in. Anyway, Tony's finisher is amazing. There's not much to his combo than that, but I believe that his purpose in his video was to close it so it's fine like that. I just don't think the pair had any chemistry in this, they don't seem to fit very well.
BaoO & x1213 in my mind produced a very stead video. Very clean, very consistent, intensity is good and it keeps the interest high throughout. BaoO has some sweet linkages. I like the aerial at the beginning, which I think must have bounced from the table in order to get a trajectory like that. The transition is simple but effective and fits the mood of the video very well. x1213 continues what BaoO left and blends in very well, I like the sequence at :26-:30 something. I think both spinners are similar which produces an even combo, which is another good approach to double videos. Instead of contrasting styles, the other strategy is to use two spinners that similar so that the transition feels very natural.
In my opinion BaoO and x1213 won this because of their steady pace and better overall cohesion of the pair. Winner: BaoO & x1213.
I think TWPS will win 2-1. Darcy's victory is contentious if judges don't like his ideas, although I really don't believe Wah deserves to win. Tony and winky could win if Tony is favored for his great finisher, but I much prefer BaoO and x1213 smooth style.
4. THPSC VS BPSC => This is by far the most hard-fought battle of the round.
4.1. Technical 1vs1: Difficulty, Supawit127 (THPSC) vs Voltaic (BPSC): No doubt Supawit127 wins on first impression. I tried to see if after further inspection, Voltaic could have a chance, and he does not. Voltaic's video is way too dark so it's really hard to see some tricks, but there is one linkage in the middle that I like, but nothing groundbreaking. In the end, his weapon to battle Supawit127 has to be the bust finisher, which Supawit127 completely overshadows with his own... I believe also that Voltaic made an error at :07 before catching 34.
If supawit127's regular combos are hot, this is is the equivalent of extra-spicy-sriracha hot. If his regular combos are already hard enough as it is, he really went out of his way here to put this one on overkill. In fact, the combo becomes so hard it becomes difficult to control even for him (look for the control loss at :19). It's just too much to handle... Winner: Supawit127.
4.2. Artistic 1vs1: Two hands, BaiMai (THPSC) vs Knuckles (BPSC): Very interesting match, maybe the closest of the round. I must regret saying that Knuckles was going to win this for sure because I didn't know BaiMai. He has amazing mastery of power tricks from both hands. The sequence starting on the left hand at :14 into the right hand is ridiculous. The introduction was refreshing, although not a major factor. The combo itself was nicely executed, all the transitions were great. There was maybe a bit of a struggle on the left hand catch at :16.
Knuckles however, did just what I expected from him and more. He shows complete mastery of anything involving 2 hands and 2 pens: asynchronized 2p2h, 1p2h, 2p1h. Execution is flawless, the choice of tricks excellent. The only problem is the unfortunate off-cam during the 2p2h and finisher. I really like the 2p1h sequence at the end, with the transition to the 1'2' slot and then the beautiful reversal of the pen by the left hand later at :20.
This is a tough battle. I think overall both combos show a very high level of excellent and have strengths in different aspects. Thematically speaking, BaiMai shows he has complete mastery of both hands, while Knuckles shows he has mastery of any 2 pens, 2 hands disciplines. I think most fair result is to call a tie, but my personal preference is Knuckles because I liked some of his ideas more. Tie (preference: Knuckles)
4.3. Double 2vs2: Dongza & 8 (THPSC) vs Littleboy & Gisele 8 (BPSC): Another great match. Dongza is just inhuman in this video. The quality of his combo at the speed he spins is just insane. Often you will see his hand moving faster than his pen in anticipation of the next trick. He is so confident in his execution he can move his hand way before the trick is finished to be ready to do the next trick and go even faster. Not many people can do this. His signature move for me is when he does his haitua. I always like to see the double rotation his pen takes when he executes this. I really like their transition as well. It's appropriate because Dongza just made you race, you catch your breath and he surprises you with a second pen from nowhere. Well done. Now 8 is unknown to me but I can see why he's here. He has all the necessary tools to compete at the world class level. But his combo is still a bit raw. In particular some of his filler passages seem similar. I think he should vary them and he should also be able to reduce them and take less time to prepare for the next big trick. I also liked the two-handed twirl at :24, did not expect that and it was integrated very smoothly. This is a very dangerous video from THPSC, very high level and consistent throughout. The two spinners have spinning styles that are different enough to keep the video interesting, but not too contrasting that they blend in naturally.
Now as far as the BPSC double is, I am really pleasantly surprised by Gisele 8's combo. I usually do not care much for his fast and chaotic style, but this time he actually something more constructive. His combo is easier to follow than before. I especially like the part at :22. The whole hand seems closed yet an aerial is pulled off which is quite nice. The beginning until :17 also looks very good. What I don't like is the infinity section. I think it drags too long after :27. It should probably have stopped there. The transfer throw is quite unusual but I think it looks decent. It kind of looks like the pen is warping like a spaceship. Now as for Littleboy, that is my favorite combo of the round. Great stuff. You just got a little bit of everything in there, great power tricks, linkages, some creative elements. The killer has to be the double swivel at the end... just looks mindblowing. It has a distinct rhythm to it and then the rhythm just breaks with the grab. Amazing. Would have been better if the music stopped right there too.
Now I would hate to put my favorite combo as part of the losing side, but it is likely that the THPSC duo wins this. On the other hand, it's hard to put Dongza loser as well. Tie might be a possibility here, but I really like Littleboy's combo. Winner: Littleboy & Gisele 8.
I think that it is more likely that THPSC wins the battle, because Supawit127 is a guaranteed win for them. Therefore they must only win 1 of the 2 other to win the battle, while BPSC must win both. This could end 3-0 for THPSC or for 2-1 BPSC. Personally I lean towards the latter, but I think a 1-1-1 tie is possible here. -
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 08:48:00
Gisele 8 & Littleboy.
Good at both, I must admit that he really good.
I especially liked Littleboy Combo his best. it is balanced.
good luck for this match ^^ -
Date: Tue, Feb 2 2010 10:34:52
nice stuhl
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Date: Tue, Feb 2 2010 16:05:58
I believe PSH will win in this round!
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Date: Thu, Feb 4 2010 01:39:18
I just hope all the communities well understand this quote
"The theme is not an essential part of judging. ..... if both combos respect the theme, then it is the better combo overall that wins. If two combos are evenly matched in all other aspects, then it is the combo which respects the theme better that wins."
Everyone did great job and good luck throughout the competition! -
Date: Sat, Feb 6 2010 20:16:52
im only missing upsb judging, the person in charge is not logged on so we gotta wait a bit
but I can tell you that regardless of what UPSB judges, it wont change the overall winners (it might change the individual matches)
Spoiler: -
Date: Sat, Feb 6 2010 20:23:54QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 6 2010, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>im only missing upsb judging, the person in charge is not logged on so we gotta wait a bit
but I can tell you that regardless of what UPSB judges, it wont change the overall winners (it might change the individual matches)
Spoiler:
r u going to post detail votes for each individual match? -
Date: Sat, Feb 6 2010 20:25:31QUOTE (AyySoLo @ Feb 6 2010, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>r u going to post detail votes for each individual match?
when i get upsb comments -
Date: Sat, Feb 6 2010 22:58:09
results out!!!
check first post and website.
detailed results:
http://www.upsb.info/WC10/R1/results/r1results.xls
http://www.upsb.info/WC10/R1/results/comments/ -
Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 03:41:17
"BaiMai stuck with the theme much better than Knuckles as there was much more 2p2h in his combo than Knuckle’s combo. Knuckles didn’t seem to be an experienced 2p2h spinner either, since his left handed sections were rather easy. I think this is a clear win for BaiMai."
Lol, who is this judge? -
Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 03:53:54QUOTE (AwonW @ Feb 6 2010, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>"BaiMai stuck with the theme much better than Knuckles as there was much more 2p2h in his combo than Knuckle’s combo. Knuckles didn’t seem to be an experienced 2p2h spinner either, since his left handed sections were rather easy. I think this is a clear win for BaiMai."
Lol, who is this judge?
lol probably just a mistake theres no 2p2h for baimai
im pretty sure he means that compared to baimai, knuckles left hand didn't have as many difficult tricks. -
Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 09:44:24
haha pretty much exactly what everyone voted
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Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 16:45:31
kuckles was much much much much better than baimai...
even baimai himself said that -
Date: Sun, Feb 7 2010 17:11:47QUOTE (manga @ Feb 7 2010, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>kuckles was much much much much better than baimai...
even baimai himself said that
the opinion of the competitor has no influence...
if you really read all the comments there are 3 main arguments against Knuckles
-> Execution is worst than BaiMai: more flaws, mistakes, off-screen
-> Greater mastery of the left hand by BaiMai, shown by high difficulty tricks on the left hand (this seems the most important, people say this is what makes BaiMai's combo better for theme)
-> Better visual appeal by BaiMai, but some say knuckles is more attractive, so it's not a big argument. -
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 02:07:17
guys, did you notice the trend in judging?
Olii & cLear (PSH) = olii heavy power tricks user, lost to Skydigital & Nia (KPSA) with smooth linkages and hand/wrist tricks
forever & Fire@fox (JEB) = fire@fox big power finish, lost to Minwoo & TheKOok (GPC) synchronized effort
Evolution (TWPS) = heavy power hitter, lost to kin MX style linkages
winky & Tony (HKPSA) = tony big finish, lost to BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) smooth and efficient linkages
on the other side
knuckles lost to two-hand mastery of power tricks baimai.
the trends in pen spinning are changing again... eventually there will equilibrium and the spinner who can use power tricks when appropriate combined with smooth linkages, will be the best...
even the knuckles loss, you could say its because baimai brought something new to power tricks other than raising difficulty and its the ability to do them two hands. just doing power tricks is not enough anymore to win, even against linkages oriented spinners. -
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 04:08:31QUOTE (Zombo @ Feb 7 2010, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>guys, did you notice the trend in judging?
Olii & cLear (PSH) = olii heavy power tricks user, lost to Skydigital & Nia (KPSA) with smooth linkages and hand/wrist tricks
forever & Fire@fox (JEB) = fire@fox big power finish, lost to Minwoo & TheKOok (GPC) synchronized effort
Evolution (TWPS) = heavy power hitter, lost to kin MX style linkages
winky & Tony (HKPSA) = tony big finish, lost to BaoO & x1213 (TWPS) smooth and efficient linkages
on the other side
knuckles lost to two-hand mastery of power tricks baimai.
the trends in pen spinning are changing again... eventually there will equilibrium and the spinner who can use power tricks when appropriate combined with smooth linkages, will be the best...
even the knuckles loss, you could say its because baimai brought something new to power tricks other than raising difficulty and its the ability to do them two hands. just doing power tricks is not enough anymore to win, even against linkages oriented spinners.
I think that is because they focus more on difficulty than the other categories of smoothness and linkages.
I like to see what's going to happen to pen spinning in the future. -
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 04:12:04QUOTE (Wind @ Feb 7 2010, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I think that is because they focus more on difficulty than the other categories of smoothness and linkages.
I like to see what's going to happen to pen spinning in the future.
you mean the pen spinners or the judges? cuz now the judges don't seem impressed by raw difficulty, which will force spinners with high difficulty to focus on other aspects to polish their overall game.
i thought last year during wt09 judges voted in favor of power tricks most of the time, for example when a13x lost and when gollumsk8 lost. -
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 05:28:09
wow, judging was almost as expected
mmm... knuckles vs. baimai could've gone both ways
i honestly watched knuckles vid thinking that he would destroy baimai, and then i watched baimai's vid and freaked out -
Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 05:40:12QUOTEeven the knuckles loss, you could say its because baimai brought something new to power tricks other than raising difficulty and its the ability to do them two hands. just doing power tricks is not enough anymore to win, even against linkages oriented spinners.
Too bad they're a year late with that.
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Date: Mon, Feb 8 2010 05:48:54
eh i guess so
but last year was still necessary in terms of raising awareness on the upper limit of difficulty, showing how much more difficult we can make pen spinning, this year it's time to explore other boundaries.
